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"Would Warner execs kill Ledger knowing what they know now?"


  

          


just like someone had to ask the Oscar question, i think someone has to have the incredibly poor taste (i.e. BALLS!) to ask the most obvious question surrounding this movies success.

okay, let's not say "kill" as if they'd actively seek his death. but, do you really think they mind that he's dead? i don't.

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i wouldnt if was the exec...i wouldve popped a bottle when i heard
Jul 27th 2008
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See...there was this whole sequel thing...
Jul 27th 2008
2
what the fuck ever, dude...they makin sequel money right now
Jul 27th 2008
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      and don't comic book movies generally have a new villain
Jul 28th 2008
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           They already have a new villian for the 3rd one
Jul 28th 2008
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           they were planning on bringing back the Joker in the sequel
Jul 28th 2008
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           RE: and don't comic book movies generally have a new villain
Jul 28th 2008
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                and you don't understand what the word "generally" means
Aug 05th 2008
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I was gonna make a post asking how much money TDK woulda made
Jul 27th 2008
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I dunno, there was major buzz behind TDK long before Ledger died
Jul 27th 2008
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I refuse to believe it woulda been THIS big if he were breathin
Jul 28th 2008
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It still might have very well been the biggest movie of the summer
Jul 28th 2008
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Fair enough, but its bout to be the biggest of all time
Jul 28th 2008
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wow. thats balls? seriously?
Aug 05th 2008
46
      Read the original post.
Aug 05th 2008
48
i think they'd prefer a second joker movie
Jul 28th 2008
12
Ditto.
Jul 28th 2008
13
Ledger's death gave the film life...
Jul 28th 2008
14
TDK was a borefest but Sex and the City was good?
Jul 28th 2008
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SATC came out THIS summer as well, I'm a lil confused
Jul 28th 2008
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      dude never lets facts get in the way of his bad argument
Aug 04th 2008
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*catches the ghost*
Jul 28th 2008
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great avatar, horrible reply.
Jul 28th 2008
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RE: Ledger's death gave the film life...
Aug 04th 2008
21
Are suggesting conspiracy? Based upon what?
Jul 28th 2008
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please, try and pay attention.
Aug 05th 2008
47
No, they wouldn't kill him!
Aug 04th 2008
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Right. It's a fair question to ask, but
Aug 04th 2008
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No one goes to see a movie, they wouldn't have seen
Aug 04th 2008
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it happens. look at Dark Knight's numbers.
Aug 04th 2008
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you're insane
Aug 04th 2008
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Makes complete sense that its SMASHING records
Aug 04th 2008
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Numbers dont lie
Aug 04th 2008
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Who died from Spiderman 3?
Aug 04th 2008
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      The movie that TDK is about surpass by over $100m??
Aug 04th 2008
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      well, Pryor almost burnt himself to death a year before the filming
Aug 04th 2008
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           ^cant read
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if they did, the crow would have made 300 million too
Aug 04th 2008
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      ^^^Non-fiction
Aug 05th 2008
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           Yea cuz people knew Brandon Lee before that movie
Aug 05th 2008
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                Rapid Fire>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rapid Madness
Aug 05th 2008
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                     .
Aug 05th 2008
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maybe not kill him but if they walked into that apartment w/enough time
Aug 04th 2008
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Wake up, y'all. This is the biggest post-mortem celeb role in memory.
Aug 04th 2008
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I can see the death explaining the first week/wekend #'s
Aug 05th 2008
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      I can see Heath's ghost is still makin em mad
Aug 05th 2008
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RE: Would Warner execs kill Ledger knowing what they know now?
Aug 04th 2008
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Fastest to $400m EVER by 25 DAYS!!!!!!!!
Aug 05th 2008
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1. "i wouldnt if was the exec...i wouldve popped a bottle when i heard"
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then kissed his mother at the funeral....

high like giraffe pussy....

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2. "See...there was this whole sequel thing..."
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3. "what the fuck ever, dude...they makin sequel money right now"
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7. "and don't comic book movies generally have a new villain"
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in the sequel?

Not saying The Joker would never show up again, but isn't that generally the hook? A New bad guy?


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8. "They already have a new villian for the 3rd one"
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Doesnt mean a return appearance from le joker wouldnt fit and be welcomed with open arms by all parties involved

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9. "they were planning on bringing back the Joker in the sequel"
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20. "RE: and don't comic book movies generally have a new villain"
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Yeah cause Magento has only been in 3 of the X men movies

  

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45. "and you don't understand what the word "generally" means"
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4. "I was gonna make a post asking how much money TDK woulda made"
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had Ledger's death not occured

  

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5. "I dunno, there was major buzz behind TDK long before Ledger died"
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Surely it being Ledger's last film boosted its box office that much higher, but I honestly think it still would have broke records if he was alive. And then there would've been the build to the sequel...

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6. "I refuse to believe it woulda been THIS big if he were breathin"
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and been sayin this since its release aka I HAVE BALLS!!!!

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10. "It still might have very well been the biggest movie of the summer"
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11. "Fair enough, but its bout to be the biggest of all time"
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46. "wow. thats balls? seriously?"
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thats what you consider having balls? having a differing opinion from the popular one on a message board?

  

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48. "Read the original post."
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Thank

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12. "i think they'd prefer a second joker movie"
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13. "Ditto."
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This movie wouldn't have made as much money (although it would still have been the biggest of the summer easily) but this combined with the next one might well have surpassed whatever dark knight plus no. 3 end up making.

  

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14. "Ledger's death gave the film life..."
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...as in

"its great"

"greatest comic book movie ever!"

"totally awesome"


when in reality it was a borefest outside of the Joker's sketch comedy routines.

because of Ledger's death, the Dark Knight has become the current pop culture fascination, obsession, and....fix.

"its the in thing, you have to see it", you have to like it, you have to think its great..."

its this summer's version of sex and the city.

only difference is, that sex and the city was actually somewhat good, and none of them bitches died.

the movie suffers from poor writing. the characters tell the story through exposition in their dialogue, as opposed to the director actually doing his job, a bitch move as a director/writer. one too many storylines. the main character, the dark knight, is the 5th wheel and afterthought. dent and the joker overshadow him (even gordon to an extent). You can barely make out what the f*ck Alfred was saying with his accent. F*cked the whole fabric of the "burning the forrest down" moral of the story up.

again, all this sh*t would be noticed, had Ledger had not died. there would be no oscar talk. he would be just a cool ass character had he lived. not a legend in the making, oscar-worthy, james dean like tragedy they are making Heath's death out to be.

the execs are happy as f*ck. and scared as f*ck. they raking in the dough now, but they had Ledger's death to get over the hump, since the movie they actually made sucked. they can't get over next time. the Joker is now a stain on the brain of the viewing public. Ledger is now the new James Dean. Whatever villain you put in his place, aint going to work. Not to say, it couldn't work. It just won't. the viewing public has deified Ledger. Commercially they are straight. They could still do Spider-Man 3 numbers with the 3rd movie. But i don't think they will be immune from Spider-Man 3-like critical panning, like the Dark Knight should have received. Because if they continue the b.s. they did with the Dark Knight, they won't have Ledger's death as a masquerade (no pun-o) the 3rd time around.

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15. "TDK was a borefest but Sex and the City was good?"
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16. "SATC came out THIS summer as well, I'm a lil confused"
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But somehow agree with him a tad

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17. "*catches the ghost*"
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Only two things I disagree with are Sex and the City (haven't seen it) and this being a bad movie. I started thinking and was Heath Ledger's acting job any better than Liam Neeson in the first? I just think a lot of the rave is that Ledger had more room to go over the top with it so people think it's definitely better (but he did do a great job with it).

This is pretty much spot on though.

>...as in
>
>"its great"
>
>"greatest comic book movie ever!"
>
>"totally awesome"
>
>
>when in reality it was a borefest outside of the Joker's
>sketch comedy routines.
>
>because of Ledger's death, the Dark Knight has become the
>current pop culture fascination, obsession, and....fix.
>
>"its the in thing, you have to see it", you have to like it,
>you have to think its great..."
>
>its this summer's version of sex and the city.
>
>only difference is, that sex and the city was actually
>somewhat good, and none of them bitches died.
>
>the movie suffers from poor writing. the characters tell the
>story through exposition in their dialogue, as opposed to the
>director actually doing his job, a bitch move as a
>director/writer. one too many storylines. the main character,
>the dark knight, is the 5th wheel and afterthought. dent and
>the joker overshadow him (even gordon to an extent). You can
>barely make out what the f*ck Alfred was saying with his
>accent. F*cked the whole fabric of the "burning the forrest
>down" moral of the story up.
>
>again, all this sh*t would be noticed, had Ledger had not
>died. there would be no oscar talk. he would be just a cool
>ass character had he lived. not a legend in the making,
>oscar-worthy, james dean like tragedy they are making Heath's
>death out to be.
>
>the execs are happy as f*ck. and scared as f*ck. they raking
>in the dough now, but they had Ledger's death to get over the
>hump, since the movie they actually made sucked. they can't
>get over next time. the Joker is now a stain on the brain of
>the viewing public. Ledger is now the new James Dean. Whatever
>villain you put in his place, aint going to work. Not to say,
>it couldn't work. It just won't. the viewing public has
>deified Ledger. Commercially they are straight. They could
>still do Spider-Man 3 numbers with the 3rd movie. But i don't
>think they will be immune from Spider-Man 3-like critical
>panning, like the Dark Knight should have received. Because if
>they continue the b.s. they did with the Dark Knight, they
>won't have Ledger's death as a masquerade (no pun-o) the 3rd
>time around.
>

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18. "great avatar, horrible reply."
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21. "RE: Ledger's death gave the film life..."
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don't fully agree due to the fact that the film is not a "Borefest" as you say.

that's just the opposition in you to not like what the gen pop does. but heath played a good sturdy villain and the movie deserves a solid 7.5-8.2

standard action film with all the bangs, car chases, etc you need. even though it's not ray or the piano doesn't make it a borefest

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19. "Are suggesting conspiracy? Based upon what?"
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Execs being nervous that he killed their movie? His character fit RIGHT in the movie...

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47. "please, try and pay attention."
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22. "No, they wouldn't kill him!"
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Certainly The Dark Knight made boatloads of money, perhaps in part to the media around his death, but they still could have made ten times as much over the life of his career. It makes no long term financial sense for him to die.

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23. "Right. It's a fair question to ask, but"
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The haul from a second Joker movie alone would dead this, esp. since now they're stuck in a situation where they cant use the character again for a loooong time, if not ever.

Oh, and the fact that the role made him a big star before the death or the movie's release, and @ 29 he presumably he had a good 20-30 years of working left...

Yeah, I'm thinking they would've let him live, lol

  

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24. "No one goes to see a movie, they wouldn't have seen"
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just because one of the leads died.

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25. "it happens. look at Dark Knight's numbers."
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26. "you're insane"
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27. "Makes complete sense that its SMASHING records"
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28. "Numbers dont lie"
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29. "Who died from Spiderman 3?"
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30. "The movie that TDK is about surpass by over $100m??"
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Yea nice try but nope!!

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31. "well, Pryor almost burnt himself to death a year before the filming"
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33. "^cant read"
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at all

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35. "if they did, the crow would have made 300 million too"
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39. "^^^Non-fiction"
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42. "Yea cuz people knew Brandon Lee before that movie"
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43. "Rapid Fire>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rapid Madness"
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Not too mention the nepotism factor

  

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44. "."
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32. "maybe not kill him but if they walked into that apartment w/enough time"
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to call 911, something tells me they might have slowly backed out of the crib, went to the deli on the corner, grabbed a pastrami on rye, sat down, read a bit of the Post and came back later to make the discovery.

But then again, I'm a cynical asshole.

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36. "Wake up, y'all. This is the biggest post-mortem celeb role in memory."
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I can't think of another public icon, paparazzi target, AND acclaimed actor of Heath's stature dying in their prime in my lifetime.

Next, tag on that his final film is an insanely popular franchise, and it's the biggest actor death in the lives of most of the youthful target audience, mind you.

Those who are less cynical certainly have no hard evidence that the death helped the film. But that's because there's NEVER been something like this. A franchise this popular mixed with a tragically dead young popular celeb at the height of his career?

That's what legends are made of. That's how phenomenons are born.

I'm just throwing that out there. While the hype was always huge, the death made it go nuclear. And while it may not be empirically proven on any stat sheet, the unprecedented nature of this film's circumstances very well seem to be indicated in the unprecedented amount of money it's making.

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40. "I can see the death explaining the first week/wekend #'s"
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I can be reasonable to assume (since this whole post is all assumption and speculation) that Ledger's death added to the box office that first week. Ledger's alive, it makes a shitload of moneyl. He's dead, it breaks first-week records.

After that? I don't think so. This movie is getting second, third, and fourth viewings. You don't get that from customers who wouldn't have seen the movie without Ledger dying. That's hardcore fans that loved the movie.

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41. "I can see Heath's ghost is still makin em mad"
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I'm looking forward to see what the next plea cop gonna be when a film cats dont like does major 'bers.

  

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37. "RE: Would Warner execs kill Ledger knowing what they know now?"
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rich white folks in control of the world kill everyone..
so wouldn't surprise me

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38. "Fastest to $400m EVER by 25 DAYS!!!!!!!!"
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