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icecold21
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"Poll question: Does Heath Ledger deserve an Oscar?"


  

          

I think he does, and I think, even if he hadn't died, people would still believe his performance is Oscar-worthy.

Every time I saw Joker, I didn't see Heath. When I saw Morgan Freeman, I saw Morgan Freeman playing Luscious Fox. Heath made me forget he was Heath, he was just the Joker. He was captivating in every scene he was in, and, if you have ever read any of the comics, you know he nailed it. He was the perfect Joker. Flawless.

Consider the type of performances that are nominated every year. There's no reason to think that Heath's ain't seein' them. A nomination and/or win would be much deserved. It's a shame, though, that a lot of people will point to his death as the reason for his nomination, if he does get one.

Poll result (53 votes)
Yes, he deserves a nomination/award (45 votes)Vote
No (8 votes)Vote

  

  

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you beat me to this issue. but, i don't know, honestly....
Jul 24th 2008
1
Compare his performance to winners of years past, he's not lacking
Jul 24th 2008
7
Let's wait and see how the rest of the year shakes out
Jul 24th 2008
2
his portrayal as the Joker was as good as Daniel Day Lewis'
Jul 24th 2008
3
go fuck yourself, dogg
Jul 24th 2008
4
LOL.
Jul 24th 2008
6
peace be with you
Jul 24th 2008
20
You could not wait til he came back on screen....really?
Jul 24th 2008
5
      I wouldn't go so far as to say that...but...
Jul 24th 2008
8
      okay, shit... you guys found me out
Jul 24th 2008
19
Side argument: He was NOT the Joker
Jul 24th 2008
9
that was the post-dark knight joker
Jul 24th 2008
12
      "Killing Joke" Joker still more fun than Ledger's Joker
Jul 24th 2008
13
           He was funny in a sadistic way...
Jul 25th 2008
24
           be easy, nerd.
Jul 25th 2008
52
def a nomination, but not an award should be an option
Jul 24th 2008
10
If he were alive PTP would have about 40 less TDK posts
Jul 24th 2008
11
I completely disagree. Not PTP. GD maybe. But we've been...
Jul 25th 2008
25
Yeah, this is bullshit
Jul 25th 2008
50
      fair nuff
Jul 26th 2008
55
           I meant to ask you a (non-mean) question, but I forgot
Jul 26th 2008
57
Who else would you nominate right now?
Jul 24th 2008
14
The entire cast of CASSANDRA'S DREAM
Jul 24th 2008
15
Dude from 4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days is up there.
Jul 24th 2008
16
Fuck the movie... those performances though
Jul 24th 2008
17
n/m
Jul 25th 2008
42
Nope. Not even close. Displayed no range whatsoever.
Jul 24th 2008
18
But the Supporting Actor category doesn't really necessitate "range."
Jul 24th 2008
21
Yup..."supporting" =/= range...at least recently.
Jul 25th 2008
22
RE: Nope. Not even close. Displayed no range whatsoever.
Jul 25th 2008
23
i look at a great acting performance as
Jul 25th 2008
26
      That's a fair but narrow definition.
Jul 25th 2008
27
           it is a narrow definition
Jul 25th 2008
38
Spin off: Better performance? Bardem/Chigurh or Ledger/Joker
Jul 25th 2008
28
I don't think it's close
Jul 25th 2008
31
      I gree with both of your statements.
Jul 25th 2008
34
      kinda wish HE was two-face, no disrespect to eckhart
Jul 25th 2008
44
Oh, and Oldman's performance >>> Ledger's performance
Jul 25th 2008
29
Oldman's performance in State of Grace maybe
Jul 25th 2008
32
Oldman's the unsung hero of that film. An actor showing RANGE...
Jul 25th 2008
33
you have beef with the character
Jul 26th 2008
56
he absolutely deserves a nomination.
Jul 25th 2008
30
applause and thoughts on what could have been, but no oscar
Jul 25th 2008
35
To be fair, there was buzz about his performance before he died...
Jul 25th 2008
36
LOL
Jul 27th 2008
59
morgan freeman played himself
Jul 27th 2008
60
Ask me when the year's over, not in July
Jul 25th 2008
37
If he didn't die...
Jul 25th 2008
39
      he didn't get f*cked over for Dreamgirls
Jul 25th 2008
40
           RE: he didn't get f*cked over for Dreamgirls
Jul 25th 2008
41
           You know Bill Murray lost to Sean Penn, right?
Jul 25th 2008
45
           Eddie lost his Oscar because of Norbit.
Jul 25th 2008
47
           ^^^Goddamn he be on point in PTP
Jul 25th 2008
43
           Am I the only person who thought that Foxx could have been better
Jul 25th 2008
48
                Yes, you are. Foxx was outstanding.
Jul 26th 2008
54
                     obviously, you're not familiar with Dreamgirls.
Jul 26th 2008
58
           objection!
Jul 25th 2008
46
Like someone else said, ask this again in December.
Jul 25th 2008
49
As of right now, absolutely.
Jul 25th 2008
51
nomination absolutely
Jul 25th 2008
53
yes and the only reason people are hating is because
Jul 27th 2008
61

Basaglia
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1. "you beat me to this issue. but, i don't know, honestly...."
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7. "Compare his performance to winners of years past, he's not lacking"
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in anything. No one can front on his skills, and he captured the audiences' attention like no one else in recent memory.

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2. "Let's wait and see how the rest of the year shakes out"
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His performance stands out in what's so far been a fairly shitty year for movies. I expect he'll get a nomination. I can't call it on an Oscar until I see the rest of the year's films.

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3. "his portrayal as the Joker was as good as Daniel Day Lewis'"
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as daniel plainview. just a complete transformation of character. i doubt there will be an electrifying performance as heath's this year. when he left the screen, you couldn't wait till he would come back again. he made the dark knight.

  

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4. "go fuck yourself, dogg"
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6. "LOL."
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n/m

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20. "peace be with you"
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gettin my catholic on.

  

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5. "You could not wait til he came back on screen....really?"
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It was that great for you?


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8. "I wouldn't go so far as to say that...but..."
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19. "okay, shit... you guys found me out"
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i'm completely gay for heath ledger.

  

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9. "Side argument: He was NOT the Joker"
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Besides clown make up and a fun slide down a pile of money... he was not the Joker. That performance was pretty brilliant (I ain't sayin' Oscar worthy... but brilliant), but it wasn't the Joker to me. No jokes, no tricks, no treats.... dude was just a psychopath. Does it work in the Nolanverse? Absolutely. But as a comic fan... that ain't the Clown Prince of Crime.

He was as much the Joker as Danny DeVito was the Penguin.

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12. "that was the post-dark knight joker"
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i thought it was a great version of the killing joke joker.



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maybe he could have been funnier, but the psychopath part was spot on, ESPECIALLY the pencil trick scene and lighting the pile of money on fire with dude sitting on top.
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13. ""Killing Joke" Joker still more fun than Ledger's Joker"
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Thu Jul-24-08 10:21 PM by CaptNish

  

          

As sadistic? Sure. But in the KJ, while being evil and sadistic... he's still fun. Heath, minus the pencil and the money... was not fun.

As I said in the other thread... Mark Hamill is still the GJOAT

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24. "He was funny in a sadistic way..."
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52. "be easy, nerd."
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Heath's joker was funny. That scene where he busts into the party was hilarious. You must be looking for some corny shit, or something. I can't figure out what you're talking about.

  

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10. "def a nomination, but not an award should be an option"
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because that's what I would have voted.

granted he gave an A+ performance in a B+ movie, but I can't help but feel it would be a little far fetched to give him a statue

  

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11. "If he were alive PTP would have about 40 less TDK posts"
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25. "I completely disagree. Not PTP. GD maybe. But we've been..."
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... nerding out for DK since before they even announced Ledger was gonna be in it. Multiple posts about every little thing about the movie.

Yes many people saw DK b/c of the death and many more discussion were had as well. But PTP doesn't count. We nerd out regardless.





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50. "Yeah, this is bullshit"
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for the reasons stated by DawgEatah

I don't know how anyone can watch that performance, think of the others that have come from other actors this year, and not seriously think about it being Oscar-worthy

Unless they're just trying to start shit
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Old age

If I remember, I'll inbox

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14. "Who else would you nominate right now?"
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It's not like the first half of this year has been chock full of Oscar contenders.

I'm not saying that people won't surpass him come Oscar season but right now he has to be one of the favorites.

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15. "The entire cast of CASSANDRA'S DREAM"
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It's July. Come Nov/Dec, try it.

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16. "Dude from 4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days is up there."
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Though that I only know him as "Dude from 4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days" probably doesn't say much for his Oscar hopes (impossible as they are). Male supporting-wise, I also liked Ralph Fiennes in In Bruges, but that entire movie will probably go overlooked at Oscar time and Fiennes' role can't really compare with what Ledger was given. So, yeah, he's in my top spot, but it's only July, as has already been stated.

(BTW, the less we talk about Cassandra's Dream the better.)

  

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17. "Fuck the movie... those performances though"
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>(BTW, the less we talk about Cassandra's Dream the better.)


Specifically Wilkenson and McGregor. Fuckin' boss.

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42. "n/m"
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18. "Nope. Not even close. Displayed no range whatsoever."
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Was basically the same guy in every scene.

Great performance, was scary, did a lot of
cool stuff, catchy lines, etc. Good for him.

But Oscar worthy? Lol. Hell no.

Maybe a nom, just to pay respect to the
dead, or whatever.

I mean, 'O Dog' from 'Menace 2 Society'
was more menacing in a realistic role than
Ledger was in a fantasy role.

And Robert Englund didn't get no nom for the first
'Nightmare on Elm Street' and his genuine scariness
defined an entire generation.

And Ledger's character was basically like Freddy
Krueger - good writing + Batman

So no. Hell no.


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21. "But the Supporting Actor category doesn't really necessitate "range.""
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And every year there seems to be a "even-if-one-note-great-to-just-watch" nomination: 2007 Philip Seymour Hoffman - Charlie Wilson's War; 2006 Mark Wahlberg - The Departed; William Hurt - A History of Violence, etc. Heath Ledger's Joker would seem a comfortable fit in that tradition.

  

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22. "Yup..."supporting" =/= range...at least recently."
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Javier Bardem, Alan Arkin, Morgan Freeman, (Tim Robbins is an exception), Chris Cooper all showed minimal range but gave great performances...Heath Ledger certainly fits in here

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23. "RE: Nope. Not even close. Displayed no range whatsoever."
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>>And Robert Englund didn't get no nom for the first
>>'Nightmare on Elm Street' and his genuine scariness
>>defined an entire generation.

My brother and I always thought he should of gotten a nom for that role.

But I guess he never made anything spectacular outside that role, so you couldn't compare to any performances.

Other than that, I think Heath should get a nom but no win. I don't know I really love the movie though. I thought he was fun and scary.



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26. "i look at a great acting performance as"
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being completely the character and transcending the actors normal self.

Heath Ledger was indistinguishable as Heath Ledger from past roles. He fully became that character wether the writing had range or not. His acting as that limited character was untouchable.

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27. "That's a fair but narrow definition."
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>being completely the character and transcending the actors
>normal self.

Well then Larenz Tate would have about 4 oscar nominations
now, because he kills every role and never rarely the same
kind of character twice.


>Heath Ledger was indistinguishable as Heath Ledger from past
>roles. He fully became that character wether the writing had
>range or not. His acting as that limited character was
>untouchable.

Okay, but there are dozens of other actors who did that
and never got nominated.

  

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38. "it is a narrow definition"
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but I cant think of a better way to articulate what I mean. I see your points as well though.

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28. "Spin off: Better performance? Bardem/Chigurh or Ledger/Joker"
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31. "I don't think it's close"
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Chigur in broad daylight telling someone to call heads or tails was more frightening/riveting than anything Ledger did IMO. He did a great job but Bardem could just sit in a room and talk and be menacing.

Although I still say that the best performance last year was Amy Ryan in Gone Baby Gone. With no makeup or really any change in her look, she became a completely different person. I've been putting a lot of people up on The Wire and when they get to season 2 they are always STUNNED when I tell them Beadie Russell was in Gone Baby Gone. Everyone says the same thing, "Oh, I thought that actress was some local they got." My friends from Boston say that same thing.

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34. "I gree with both of your statements."
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44. "kinda wish HE was two-face, no disrespect to eckhart"
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>Chigur in broad daylight telling someone to call heads or
>tails was more frightening/riveting than anything Ledger did
>IMO. He did a great job but Bardem could just sit in a room
>and talk and be menacing.
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29. "Oh, and Oldman's performance >>> Ledger's performance"
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I'm just not impressed by:

"I can be apeshit and say cutesy lines and do wild
things every scene!!!"

I'm more impressed by conflict. Inner tumroil
that is properly communicated through the film.
Negotiating emotions and priorities.

Oldman did that. Ledger did not.





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32. "Oldman's performance in State of Grace maybe"
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and Ledger did more than just go apeshit & run wild though. some scenes, like the ones where he was telling the stories of how he got his scars, stripped down the wild antics and were pretty chilling & far from cutesy. he did show some good range in the role.


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33. "Oldman's the unsung hero of that film. An actor showing RANGE..."
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.... not RAGE.

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56. "you have beef with the character"
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not with the performance.

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30. "he absolutely deserves a nomination."
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a little early to declare that he deserves the oscar. but it's absolutely an Oscar-worthy performance.


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35. "applause and thoughts on what could have been, but no oscar"
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i thought he did a great job.

defnitely entertaining, cool villian, but oscar worthy? no.

i thought the emperor from Star Wars was just as compelling,if not more, especially in the prequels, he didn't get an oscar.

all this oscar talk is because he died, sad to say.

when someone dies young like Heath did, they tend to romanticize and embellish ones strengths, and gloss over the flaws.

yes, Heath was more appealing than anybody else in the movie,he was a caricature on wheels/freak show more than a character in a movie, but acting-wise, his role was not challenging at all. more like sketch comedy. i thought the dude who played harvey dent had a more challenging and impressive role (save the coin flips), and Morgan Freeman did arguably the best acting job in that movie.

so no, Heath does not deserve an oscar, because he did not earn one.

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36. "To be fair, there was buzz about his performance before he died..."
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>all this oscar talk is because he died, sad to say.
>
>when someone dies young like Heath did, they tend to
>romanticize and embellish ones strengths, and gloss over the
>flaws.

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59. "LOL"
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Morgan Freeman did
>arguably the best acting job in that movie.

what acting did he even do? michael caine did a better job as the butler than freeman did. freeman was just being... freeman. and a very boring freeman too.

  

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60. "morgan freeman played himself"
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actually he didn't do shit. he was in the movie, collectively, less than 30 minutes. I mean, that's bullshit.

  

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37. "Ask me when the year's over, not in July"
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39. "If he didn't die..."
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Someone would have mentioned it. People always "mention" performances as being award worthy, and those are the ones we tend to forget about. Since he died, people are serious about it. There's precedent though. Silence of the Lambs came out on Valentine's Day and Anthony Hopkins and Jody Foster held down the fort until the oscars the following year. And Forrest Gump was a summer movie too.

That said, I think he was as good as any of the recent oscar winners. I just saw "There Will Be Blood" for the first time last Saturday (the day after two viewings of TDK) and he was as good IMO as Daniel Day Lewis.

I tend to ignore the oscars ever since Eddie Murphy got fucked over for Dreamgirls.

  

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40. "he didn't get f*cked over for Dreamgirls"
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>I tend to ignore the oscars ever since Eddie Murphy got fucked
>over for Dreamgirls.
>

he didn't deserve that sh*t. if anything Jamie did the real acting work in Dreamgirls.

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41. "RE: he didn't get f*cked over for Dreamgirls"
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Jamie Foxx was damn good, but he didn't get the nom. Eddie did. Would you say Adam Arkin in "Little Miss Sunshine" was better than either of them though?

My opinion was Eddie deserved it. My opinion is the Oscars ain't shit because of people like Eddie, Samuel Jackson, Bill Murray and Angela Bassett losing out to performances no one even remembers. My opinion is also that Heath Ledger deserves a nomination for The Dark Knight.

  

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45. "You know Bill Murray lost to Sean Penn, right?"
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Say what you will about Mystic River (the ending or whatever), but Sean Penn and Tim Robbins straight killed their roles...totally deserved the awards it got.

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47. "Eddie lost his Oscar because of Norbit."
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That's the truth.

It's fucked up that a bad movie ruined what might be his only chance ever for an Oscar (I mean, he'd already won the Golden Globe), but it's exactly what happened.

Norbit should have been withheld until April, but I guess DreamWorks needed a Q1 hit more than they wanted the prestige/increased sales of having Dreamgirls win three Oscars instead of two. Makes business sense, but damn.

  

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43. "^^^Goddamn he be on point in PTP"
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And Jaime Foxx sorta fucked himself for
his career with that Ray performance

He was CLEARLY was outstanding in
'Dreamgirls'

Outstanding, definitely warranted a nom

He just isn't playing a blind musician

Gonna be hard for him to get nominated again

  

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48. "Am I the only person who thought that Foxx could have been better"
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in Dreamgirls?

He didn't get as far into the role as he should have, considering he was supposed to be the lead and the driving force behind the story. And I know it's not always proper to compare actors in movie musical adaptations to their stage counterparts, but really: Foxx is the weakest Curtis I've yet seen or heard, save for high school productions.

  

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54. "Yes, you are. Foxx was outstanding."
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>He didn't get as far into the role as he should have,
>considering he was supposed to be the lead and the driving
>force behind the story.

No, the Dreamgirls were supposed to drive the story,
and they did

Foxx was excellent

> And I know it's not always proper to
>compare actors in movie musical adaptations to their stage
>counterparts, but really: Foxx is the weakest Curtis I've yet
>seen or heard, save for high school productions.

I think you're out of your goddamn mind, personally.



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58. "obviously, you're not familiar with Dreamgirls."
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Curtis - and later in the piece, Effie - drive the story. the other three girls are just along for the ride. The film version gives Deena a little more to do in terms of her big number and (*spoiler*) her providing the evidence to undo Curtis. But no, just because the film's called "Dreamgirls" doesn't mean the Dreams drive the story.

That's what's wrong with Foxx's Curtis: Curtis is supposed to be this slick-talking dynamo. He has to have enough charisma and visible drive so that he could convince you to hand over your mother's retirement checks. Foxx was one of the least well-reviewed elements of the film, but I'm not repeating others' critiques; when I first saw the film during an early preview, I didn't say "oh my." I said "Foxx is the weakest link here."

It just looks like Foxx isn't enjoying the role and isn't giving it his all. On his radio show, he's spoken of beefs he had with Murphy onset. On screen, he just looks bored.

Also, this being a musical, we must take to task Foxx's singing, which is horrible. He ruined one of the most important songs in the film, "When I First Saw You". There were people in the theater thanking Jesus that he didn't sing at the end of the picture when Deena leaves him (in the play, Curtis sings a brief reprise of "When I First Saw You")

I mean, are you just being contrarian ( SoWhat in the Lesson) just for shits and giggles?

  

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46. "objection!"
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>he didn't deserve that sh*t. if anything Jamie did the real
>acting work in Dreamgirls.

  

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49. "Like someone else said, ask this again in December."
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51. "As of right now, absolutely."
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I can't think of another performance that's touching it

Right now

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53. "nomination absolutely"
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too soon to say give him the award just yet though, lot more movies coming out.

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61. "yes and the only reason people are hating is because"
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they don't like the "sadistic/scary" joker. if he played that shit how jack nicholson played it, then these mofos would happy go lucky about the shit. for real, heath ledger became that character. when I first saw the trailers I didn't *know* that was heath ledger...that's how captivating he was. and for what he was giving, he played the role to it's fullest. i found him funny and scary...which I think makes a good joker. I mean funny haha joker is cool BUT funny and scary is better. and before he died, jack nicholson said that heath played it better than he did. BEFORE he died. there was a lot of talk about this movie BEFORE he died. people aren't just saying this because he died. he really took in that role.

  

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