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"LOST promoting racial stereotypes? Harold Perrineau Jr. TALKS ABOUT IT."


  

          

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Perrineau Jr. Attacks Lost's Race Stereotypes
5 June 2008 12:16 AM, PDT

Lost star Harold Perrineau Jr. has hit out at the show's producers for stereotyping its black cast.

Perrineau Jr - who played Michael in the hit show - will not be appearing in the hit series' fifth season.

And he believes his race was a factor.

He says, "Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show.

"Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting."

But the show's executive producer Carlton Cuse says, "We pride ourselves on having a very racially diverse cast.

"It's painful when any actor's story line ends on the show. Harold is a fantastic actor whose presence added enormously to Lost."

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RE: LOST promoting racial stereotypes? Harold Perrineau Jr. TALKS ABOUT ...
Jun 05th 2008
1
Who is going to moderate the moderators?
Jun 05th 2008
2
      I dunno... coast guard?
Jun 05th 2008
10
zzz
Jun 05th 2008
3
this is the worst logic ever.
Jun 05th 2008
5
she's just PTPs version of Mica, sans soul, humor and personality.
Jun 05th 2008
49
What in the holy fuck? n/m
Jun 05th 2008
15
No offense or anything, but...
Jun 05th 2008
21
Blah,Blah,Blah...he's married to a White Chick...
Jun 05th 2008
4
!!!!!!!!
Jun 05th 2008
7
what's his wife have to do with anything?
Jun 05th 2008
9
Maybe he means that Perrineau
Jun 05th 2008
11
nah, that ain't it.
Jun 05th 2008
14
      RE: nah, that ain't it.
Jun 07th 2008
66
      Let's keep in mind one thing, however, regarding Lost's producers.
Jun 09th 2008
79
she white.
Jun 05th 2008
12
      you know he's still black right?
Jun 05th 2008
16
      Don't turn this into a "Thing". I like the guy...
Jun 05th 2008
18
           lmao
Jun 05th 2008
19
                yeah, I'm gettin' the hang of this PTP-brand of Snark...
Jun 05th 2008
20
      I agree with you about his character but I don't follow this part...
Jun 05th 2008
31
           it was a bad joke that went off the rails...
Jun 05th 2008
34
Yeah, I just lost my sympathy for him
Jun 05th 2008
44
he's absolutely right...they didn't know what to do with him
Jun 05th 2008
6
He Clarifies Remarks (SWIPE)
Jun 05th 2008
8
something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now
Jun 05th 2008
13
I disagree with you, man.
Jun 05th 2008
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RE: I disagree with you, man.
Jun 05th 2008
22
      you're reachin' Dog...
Jun 05th 2008
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           RE: you're reachin' Dog...
Jun 05th 2008
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           I agree w/him
Jun 05th 2008
43
                umm...there are also shows with NO Black characters...
Jun 05th 2008
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                     I never claimed it's racism, I'm just saying it's a lil' troubling.
Jun 06th 2008
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Bye.
Jun 05th 2008
23
that's the POINT, you fuckin accident
Jun 05th 2008
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      ^^OKP version of Martin Lawerence's character in Boomerang^^
Jun 05th 2008
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           yjm
Jun 05th 2008
33
           was that person obsessed with M. Night too?
Jun 06th 2008
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RE: something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now
Jun 05th 2008
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are we watching the same show?
Jun 05th 2008
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      RE: are we watching the same show?
Jun 05th 2008
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           LOL at this point does it matter? lol....
Jun 05th 2008
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                RE: LOL at this point does it matter? lol....
Jun 05th 2008
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Good dudes always shoot people for no reason
Jun 05th 2008
26
good dudes shoot poorly for no reason, too, bitch
Jun 05th 2008
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      I gotta admit, I chuckled at that one
Jun 05th 2008
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           yeah, me too
Jun 06th 2008
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RE: something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now
Jun 07th 2008
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^^perpetuates sterotype that black folks can't swim.
Jun 06th 2008
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he was kind of right
Jun 05th 2008
38
I REALLY Wanted Mr. Eko to go Adebisi on somebody...
Jun 05th 2008
39
What irked me was they gave him NO "death moment". At all.
Jun 05th 2008
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      agreed.
Jun 05th 2008
45
      He sacrificed himself to save as many people as he could
Jun 05th 2008
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      didn't they have to rush a lot of shit cuz of the strike?
Jun 09th 2008
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I think you misinterpreted what he said.
Jun 05th 2008
42
You're right
Jun 05th 2008
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      RE: You're right
Jun 05th 2008
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      RE: You're right
Jun 06th 2008
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i agree. jj abrams &writers should have explored black familial relation...
Jun 05th 2008
48
lol
Jun 05th 2008
53
why won't you just admit it?
Jun 05th 2008
50
TELL EM WHY YOU MAD SON
Jun 05th 2008
51
he's a SELL OUT
Jun 05th 2008
55
The exact moment they F'd up his character was....
Jun 06th 2008
59
you might have something
Jun 06th 2008
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The one point I'll strongly disagree with is this:
Jun 06th 2008
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      but did she have to be black?
Jun 06th 2008
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           RE: but did she have to be black?
Jun 07th 2008
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                I'm not outraged or anything
Jun 08th 2008
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                Cosigned. I am not outraged.
Jun 09th 2008
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                     RE: Cosigned. I am not outraged.
Jun 09th 2008
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i dunno about sterotypes but.....
Jun 06th 2008
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unless somebody is lying
Jun 07th 2008
68
short shelf life? they kill a lot of white folk with a quickness
Jun 09th 2008
81
I agree with Frank that he deserved a better exit
Jun 07th 2008
70
Lost's portrayal of asians is on some bullshit too.
Jun 08th 2008
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i actually thought making them native korean was more interesting
Jun 08th 2008
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      basically
Jun 08th 2008
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      yeah I think it's better this way n/m
Jun 08th 2008
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      I agree, but it just seemed kind of suspect to me.
Jun 08th 2008
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imo LOST's portrayal of old rich british white men is on some bullshit.
Jun 08th 2008
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lol cosign
Jun 09th 2008
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1. "RE: LOST promoting racial stereotypes? Harold Perrineau Jr. TALKS ABOUT ..."
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2. "Who is going to moderate the moderators?"
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10. "I dunno... coast guard?"
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3. "zzz"
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not even going to bother reading because it's always the same shit.

it can't be enough that the show is good. there always going to be someone that finds something wrong with it.

if he is talented (and based on his acting skills, one would say not), then he can write a pilot for his own show that will focus on what he thinks is important.

  

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5. "this is the worst logic ever."
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>if he is talented (and based on his acting skills, one would
>say not), then he can write a pilot for his own show that will
>focus on what he thinks is important.

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49. "she's just PTPs version of Mica, sans soul, humor and personality."
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actually that's an insult to Mica. She my people's and she like coffee too.

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15. "What in the holy fuck? n/m"
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>not even going to bother reading because it's always the same
>shit.
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>it can't be enough that the show is good. there always going
>to be someone that finds something wrong with it.
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>if he is talented (and based on his acting skills, one would
>say not), then he can write a pilot for his own show that will
>focus on what he thinks is important.

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4. "Blah,Blah,Blah...he's married to a White Chick..."
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9. "what's his wife have to do with anything?"
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11. "Maybe he means that Perrineau"
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himself advances the stereotype that successful black men marry white women. That's just a guess on my part.
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14. "nah, that ain't it."
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>himself advances the stereotype that successful black men
>marry white women. That's just a guess on my part.


I'm just saying, it rings a bit hollow coming from a guy with a White Wife...


For the record, I like HP. I think he's a great actor, but this whole thing reeks of sour grapes.

His character was fucked up from jump. But it's not like they made him a deadbeat dad. To their credit, they made the mother the villain. they COULD'VE made him a guy who abandoned his kid...


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66. "RE: nah, that ain't it."
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Ecko isn't crying rivers over getting offed. And i think a not so obvious running theme on this show IS daddy issues. Damn near all of the characters have 'em. Plus Walt is coming back, I think the Micheal thing needed to be resolved so they could bring Walt back into the picture. If Harold wasnt so pissy about not being on the best show on tv and cloakin it with bs race taboos, he would've caught on.

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79. "Let's keep in mind one thing, however, regarding Lost's producers."
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They have a history of suddenly killing off characters of actors they don't want to work with anymore.

When Boone died in S1, it was simply that his character, major as he was, really didn't fit in their grand scheme.

But with the following it was a matter of off-camera crap with the actor playing them:
-Maggie Grace starts doing a lot in movies and wants to capitalize on that more. Exit Shannon. While Matthew Fox is doing movies and Lost no problem, I think the management felt slighted by Grace.
-Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros catch a DUI rap in Hawaii. So long, Ana Lucia and Libby.
-Dude who played Mr. Eko complains of wanting a more prominent role. They responded by skragging him with black smoke.

The message was clear to me. Don't run afoul of the producers. Maybe Perrineau didn't have the greatest relationship with them either?

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12. "she white."
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it's a Red Herring really, and I'm half kidding. But I find it hard to take when people in Interracial marriages cry Racism when shit doesn't go their way.


He was a character on a show where people occasionally die. Comes with the Territory.



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16. "you know he's still black right?"
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>it's a Red Herring really, and I'm half kidding. But I find
>it hard to take when people in Interracial marriages cry
>Racism when shit doesn't go their way.

why? they don't stop being black.

>He was a character on a show where people occasionally die.
>Comes with the Territory.

he coulda died a lil better

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18. "Don't turn this into a "Thing". I like the guy..."
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I got no beef with interracial marriages.

Some of my best friends are married to White People.


*looks at camera*


Seriously, my reply started off as a bad joke. But to be honest, I think he needs to STFU and collect the money from the sales of the DVD's. In that same interview, he said he had 3 or 4 other projects cookin' ANYWAY.


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>Some of my best friends are married to White People.
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31. "I agree with you about his character but I don't follow this part..."
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>it's a Red Herring really, and I'm half kidding. But I find
>it hard to take when people in Interracial marriages cry
>Racism when shit doesn't go their way.

I know this is PTP, so the its off-topic but I don't think I get where you're coming from.

>He was a character on a show where people occasionally die.
>Comes with the Territory.

I agree. Walt was a part of the show in a weird, supernatural sort of way. I think Harold is off-base with this one. Plus, Sayid's girl gets murdered eventually. Sun's husband got blown up too. Jack ends up going bananas. Bad stuff happens to everyone.

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34. "it was a bad joke that went off the rails..."
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44. "Yeah, I just lost my sympathy for him"
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Exclusive: Harold Perrineau clarifies the record on his departure from 'Lost': 'I was disappointed...I wouldn't say I'm bitter'

Jun 2, 2008, 02:28 AM | by Dan Snierson

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SPOILER ALERT: Discussion of the Lost season finale follows.

Traitor. Desperate dad. Indestructible being. Tortured soul. Harold Perrineau's Michael Dawson has been many things on Lost, and apparently you can now add "dearly departed" to that list. Michael — who had returned to action earlier this year after vanishing on a boat at the end of season 2 — seemed to be among the casualties of the freighter explosion in the season 4 finale on May 29. If Michael’s demise raised some eyebrows, so did some comments that Perrineau made in a recent interview about his departure. He voiced unhappiness with the end of his story line, which he also saw as having racial implications. EW.com asked him to elaborate on those thoughts — and to look back on his Lost journey.


ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: You expressed displeasure with the way your story line ended, calling it “not cool.” Do you feel bitter about what happened?

HAROLD PERRINEAU: I wouldn’t say I’m bitter. I’m just like the fans, and I got excited when Michael was coming back. I thought it was really significant when Michael dropped those people off with the Others; I thought he was going to have something just as significant when he came back. I was disappointed that he didn’t. He didn’t get to make amends with those people. And nobody got to see . Walt didn’t get to see it. Jin got to see it, but wasn’t necessarily so mad at him. And Desmond, who Michael didn’t know at all, was there. I was disappointed more than anything, like the fans were disappointed. Like I think the fans were disappointed.


You were quoted as saying that the loss of Michael meant that Walt "winds up being another fatherless child, it plays into a really big, weird stereotype." Did you voice that concern to the producers?

There’s not been any conversation about that. That was just my point-of-view in an interview. This is nothing that I’ve ever talked to the writers about, or I think is necessarily anything I should talk to them about. Their job is to make the story work. My feelings about the social implications are my feelings. My feelings don’t determine what the storyline is.


Do you feel that there is something fundamentally problematic with that plot, or is that just an observation?

It’s just an observation. Michael’s a black character and I’m a black person, so I have feelings based on it. I can’t really separate those two things — my race and my country and all that stuff. How it plays out in the story, I don’t know, because I don’t know how the rest of the story is going to play out. I accept that this is what need to happen for something else to happen later.


Do you regret going public with your feelings?

I should probably think more before I say things. I should especially think before I say anything racial, because I recognize that when you make a racial comment it polarizes people. That was never the intention. It’s like, “No, no, no, don’t choose sides. I’m just telling you this is what I think. Everybody stay on whatever side you’re on; this is my point-of-view.” I should think about those things, and then unfortunately what happens is I just start to talk — like I’m doing now, I should probably shut up.


Did you express your disappointment when you found out about the story line, or even say to them, “Have you considered this or that option?”

No. It’s not my gig to write it. When they called me up to tell me what was going on, in the moment, the most I could say was “Okay.” I didn’t want to seem like, “Oh, please, save my job.” I just , “Okay, that’s what you’ve come to. Cool.” Even in the moment, there’s no full-on processing all of it. No matter what they tell you, you have to take time and process.


When you agreed to return, did you have any idea how long it would last?

Not at all. We re-signed a new deal, and the deals are multi-year deals. So the thing was like, “He could be back for the season, or he could be back for the next three seasons. We’re just not sure.” They weren’t sure which way they were going with it.


If you had known that this was going to be the story line, would you have come back?

If I had known, I think I would have asked if I could have a conversation about it. And then I might have said, “Hey, these are some of the things that I think. What do you think about that?” And would say, “This is how it’s going to play out in the story line or not going to play out in the story line.” We find out things pretty quickly and then have to process it and go do the work…. I wouldn’t have chosen it if it were me. then I would have done whatever they said. They are brilliant guys. They have a fantastic show. The show’s been great since we’ve been on it; it’s going to be great when I’m not on it. They know exactly what they’re doing, so I don’t question that.


How would you have liked Michael’s story to have played out?

I didn’t think he got to redeem himself especially to the people who I feel like he wronged. I wanted Michael to go back and do something for them so that they felt like he really put out and that he did something to satisfy his own guilt and their anger…. At the beginning of the show, we didn’t understand much about him, but as we did get to understand him, he was a good guy. I think he was probably going to be a good father. I wish Michael would have gotten to be the father that he had always wanted to be, because he’s a good dude.


On some level, he did get a hero’s death.

Totally. In some sense he did. It wouldn’t be what I would have done. What I was wishing for was something, and that could be my actor pride too: “It should have been bigger!’


Was it emotional shooting your last scene?

No, actually because I’d been in and out and in and out again . All those folks in Hawaii — the crew and the cast — they’re like my family, so it’s like, ‘Hey, I’ll see you when I see you. I gotta go have a baby but I’ll probably catch you at some point.’ I mean, until the show ends, it doesn’t feel like it’s the end, if that makes any sense…. A bunch of guys were like, ‘Yo, man, I said goodbye, but I said goodbye to you once before…. I’ll see you next time.’


What are the chances that you'll return, as a ghost, or in some other form?

There are definitely possibilities for Michael to return — and maybe even possibilities for the thing I’m hoping for to happen. Maybe there’s some way through Walt’s eyes, or through a vision, Michael gets to redeem himself to those people. Or maybe never. When they said, “We’re not going to finish with him here, but as on Lost, you never know who comes back, and dead doesn’t mean you’re gone from the show.”… If they call me up and say, “Hey, Michael needs to come back and do a thing.” It’d be like, “What’s the thing he needs to do? Yeah, let’s go do it!”


What kind of send-off does a dead character receive on Lost? Do you get a “Sorry for Killing You” Hallmark card from the producers? And is there a support group for dead Lost characters?

Now that you’re saying it, I might have to start a little group that meets every weekend in West Hollywood. Goodbye is never goodbye. There’s no official sendoff because you never know. Until it’s over, none of us know. So there’s no card, no flowers. There’s the call from Carlton and Damon, and you know that’s it. It’s like, “Aaagh, here it comes! The ax! Kapoooosh!”


Name your three favorite moments on the Lost set.

The top, top, top, top moment is in the very first season when Hurley introduces us to golf. We had been working so hard that it really was a breath of fresh air to shoot that kind of light scene. Me and Fox giggled almost through the whole thing. It was like, “We’re playing golf, dude—it’s crazy!”… wasn’t funny in the moment, but it’s funny now. When I got the at the end of season 1, I went “What? They’re on the raft and he’s screaming ‘Walt!’? The boat blows up? Wait a minute! I don’t know how to swim! I don’t swim!” They all looked at me like, “What do you mean you don’t swim?’ Suddenly there was a rush of calls because nobody had thought to ask, “Do you swim?” We took care of that because we had a really great water team, so I just went, ‘Listen, if I die, I die. Here we go." Third favorite moment is in the second season — me, Dan , and Josh wind up getting thrown into a pit when we get caught by the Tailies. It was just a day of boys-in-a-pit humor, and if you understand boys in a crowded, tiny little room, you understand that the humor was, you know, smelly.


How about a least favorite moment?

One is the day that Michael killed . It was just really sad and I just wanted that day to be over, because we all — can I say “fell in love” without everybody getting all upset, thinking I was cheating on my wife? We all fell in love. That was a bad day.


When you look back at your Lost experience, what are you most proud of?

I was really, really proud to be part of this group of people that looked like this on network television. We just weren’t used to seeing that kind of diversity on television. So when the cast won the SAG award , I was like, “Yeah, man—that’s absolutely right.” And we worked really, really hard.


On your way out, did you score answers to any burning questions about the show’s mysteries?

No, no, man. I’m not that dude. I’d rather see when it happens. I don’t want you to tell me. I’ll just wait around with everybody else.


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I Am Legend: B+
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13. "something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now"
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and it's real simple..."he's a good dude"

he's right. michael was a good dude, just tryna do right by his kid, from day one. whereas kate is a cunty criminal and sawyer is a fucking dirtbag, mike was a good dude and the more the writers explored his character, the more dispicable they wanted him to be....um, why is that? why are kate and sawyer being redeemed at fucking light speed and mike gotta be a sniveling fucking pawn in a the grand scheme?

and like that...i'm done watching lost forever.

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17. "I disagree with you, man."
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>
>and it's real simple..."he's a good dude"
>
>he's right. michael was a good dude, just tryna do right by
>his kid, from day one.

true. THAT'S why his betrayal of the group worked so well.

whereas kate is a cunty criminal and
>sawyer is a fucking dirtbag,

agreed on BOTH counts. BUT we knew Sawyer was a jag from Day One. He's just being himself, FURTHERMORE, he doesn't WANT to be liked.

mike was a good dude and the more
>the writers explored his character, the more dispicable they
>wanted him to be....um, why is that? why are kate and sawyer
>being redeemed at fucking light speed and mike gotta be a
>sniveling fucking pawn in a the grand scheme?

and I disagree with Kate being Redeemed. She's still not a likable character. AND she's still a pathological liar. Even After they made it back...



>
>and like that...i'm done watching lost forever.

Why?


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22. "RE: I disagree with you, man."
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>>
>>and it's real simple..."he's a good dude"
>>
>>he's right. michael was a good dude, just tryna do right by
>>his kid, from day one.
>
>true. THAT'S why his betrayal of the group worked so well.

it was aight, as it was it totally foreseeable. as soon as walt dipped, mike went apeshit and was constantly portrayed as a loose cannon and a danger to the collective. so, it wasn't a surprise.


> whereas kate is a cunty criminal and
>>sawyer is a fucking dirtbag,
>
>agreed on BOTH counts. BUT we knew Sawyer was a jag from Day
>One. He's just being himself, FURTHERMORE, he doesn't WANT to
>be liked.

he's still written to be liked. he's the typical cracker anti-hero sex symbol...it's wack.

> mike was a good dude and the more
>>the writers explored his character, the more dispicable they
>>wanted him to be....um, why is that? why are kate and sawyer
>>being redeemed at fucking light speed and mike gotta be a
>>sniveling fucking pawn in a the grand scheme?
>
>and I disagree with Kate being Redeemed. She's still not a
>likable character.

NOT LIKABLE!!! nigga, they got her cuddled up to a fuckin kid that ain't even hers every other scene. how the fuck she ain't likable? she can walk down the street pushing a stroller choppin off heads and all will be forgiven once they play that bullshit music and gently places that kid's head against her blood-soaked bosom.

AND she's still a pathological liar. Even
>After they made it back...

dude, NO ONE CARES...the subtext is she's a woman who's seen hard times and does what it takes to SURVIVE. mike is a weak, jobless black man who lettin his mama take care of his kid...OH, WHERE'D THEY GET THAT FROM?

>>and like that...i'm done watching lost forever.
>
>Why?

because they hate black folks.

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25. "you're reachin' Dog..."
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*Edited for spelling*
>NOT LIKABLE!!! nigga, they got her cuddled up to a fuckin kid
>that ain't even hers every other scene.

A kid that ain't hers. A kid who's WHOLE EXISTENCE is gonna be based on a bunch of lies for the rest of his life ( depending on how it all plays out.)

how the fuck she ain't
>likable? she can walk down the street pushing a stroller
>choppin off heads and all will be forgiven once they play that
>bullshit music and gently places that kid's head against her
>blood-soaked bosom.

If you ask ME, that's probably part of the reason Jack lost it. He had to lie for her so many times, and THEN to have to raise a kid that he just found out was his Nephew? Have you forgotten she's doing *something* for Sawyer behind Jack's back? Sawyer, being Jack's biggest nemesis,btw...


to reiterate, Kate is NOT likable.



>
>AND she's still a pathological liar. Even
>>After they made it back...
>
>dude, NO ONE CARES...the subtext is she's a woman who's seen
>hard times and does what it takes to SURVIVE. mike is a weak,
>jobless black man who lettin his mama take care of his
>kid...OH, WHERE'D THEY GET THAT FROM?

And Sawyer is a jobless Con Man who walked away from HIS kid. What's your point?
>

>
>because they hate black folks.

I disagree...


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32. "RE: you're reachin' Dog..."
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>*Edited for spelling*
>>NOT LIKABLE!!! nigga, they got her cuddled up to a fuckin
>kid
>>that ain't even hers every other scene.
>
>A kid that ain't hers. A kid who's WHOLE EXISTENCE is gonna be
>based on a bunch of lies for the rest of his life ( depending
>on how it all plays out.)
>
>how the fuck she ain't
>>likable? she can walk down the street pushing a stroller
>>choppin off heads and all will be forgiven once they play
>that
>>bullshit music and gently places that kid's head against her
>>blood-soaked bosom.
>
>If you ask ME, that's probably part of the reason Jack lost
>it. He had to lie for her so many times, and THEN to have to
>raise a kid that he just found out was his Nephew? Have you
>forgotten she's doing *something* for Sawyer behind Jack's
>back? Sawyer, being Jack's biggest nemesis,btw...
>
>
>to reiterate, Kate is NOT likable.
>

Not to mention that she was a fugitive, then lied about being one once Jack & company found out (I think she tried to divert attention and pin it on Sawyer)

Nope. Not likeable.

  

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43. "I agree w/him"
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They do frame the show to make Kate and Sawyer likable. However I would say that Jack is a good man too, but they also try to do anything and everything to make him dispacable.

I'd say they're turning all the standards on their heads.

Now that being said. There is ONE black character on the show. They out of the 5 that have been on this show they have killed of 3. That's a HUGE #.
That's MY problem w/lost. The numbers indicate that they are picking on us.

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46. "umm...there are also shows with NO Black characters..."
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> There is ONE black character on the show.

I don't recall any Black main characters on "The Sopranos" or any of those other PTP favorite TV shows...

At least "LOST" has/had SOME Black faces.


>They out of the 5 that have been on this show they have killed
>of 3. That's a HUGE #.
>That's MY problem w/lost. The numbers indicate that they are
>picking on us.

The EXACT same thing could be said about any Reality show.

"Wait...there were 5 Black girls on Top Model...now there's only one. They're picking on us..."

FOH,guys.

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61. "I never claimed it's racism, I'm just saying it's a lil' troubling."
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given the numbers and all.

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23. "Bye."
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>
>and it's real simple..."he's a good dude"
>
>he's right. michael was a good dude, just tryna do right by
>his kid, from day one. whereas kate is a cunty criminal and
>sawyer is a fucking dirtbag, mike was a good dude and the more
>the writers explored his character, the more dispicable they
>wanted him to be....um, why is that? why are kate and sawyer
>being redeemed at fucking light speed and mike gotta be a
>sniveling fucking pawn in a the grand scheme?
>

Michael is a good dude but how he decided to save his kid -- shooting two innocent people -- is worse than anything any of the other castaways have done.

What bothers me about it is he left at the end of season two and he filmed a pilot and he wasn't availible for season three (they wanted him to be in the finale). His show didn't get picked up and they gave him WORK AGAIN. They didn't have to bring him back. In terms of the show, Walt is more important to the grand scheme of things and they could have worked around his absence but they brought him back and gave him some redemption and closure. Stop whining. Plus, dead isn't dead on Lost. Shit, Christian had more lines than Rose and Bernard.

>and like that...i'm done watching lost forever.

Bye. You'll be missed.

  

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27. "that's the POINT, you fuckin accident"
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>Michael is a good dude but how he decided to save his kid --
>shooting two innocent people -- is worse than anything any of
>the other castaways have done.

the fuck you think we talkin about here, man?

>What bothers me about it is he left at the end of season two
>and he filmed a pilot and he wasn't availible for season three
>(they wanted him to be in the finale).

so? that's his business. my man adewale left to shoot that doc, but they wrote his shit with some semblance of honor.

His show didn't get
>picked up and they gave him WORK AGAIN.

um, dude ain't been hurtin for work in about a decade. don't cyse it like they did him a big ass favor.

They didn't have to
>bring him back.

he prolly woulda preferred they didn't, at this point.

In terms of the show, Walt is more important
>to the grand scheme of things and they could have worked
>around his absence but they brought him back and gave him some
>redemption and closure. Stop whining.

they tried to tidy that shit up after making him judas for three fuckin years. it still ain't work. the character looked bad.


Plus, dead isn't dead
>on Lost. Shit, Christian had more lines than Rose and
>Bernard.
>
>>and like that...i'm done watching lost forever.
>
>Bye. You'll be missed.

i hope so. i hope it keeps tanking in the ratings. GOOD!

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:D

  

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24. "RE: something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now"
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I always detected a hint of 'cism in how people reacted to Michael's betrayal. They acted like he just started shooting mofos to see them die, instead of having to do it to save his son.

Meanwhile they'll call Ben the best thing since swiss cheese and can't wait to see more of him.

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28. "are we watching the same show?"
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>I always detected a hint of 'cism in how people reacted to
>Michael's betrayal. They acted like he just started shooting
>mofos to see them die, instead of having to do it to save his
>son.
>

He shot AnaLucia ( who NOBODY liked, fans OR other Characters)on purpose. But it wasn't in Cold Blood. He didn't want to do it...

But he accidentally shot Libby.


That's two dead, one killed by accident...


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36. "RE: are we watching the same show?"
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>>I always detected a hint of 'cism in how people reacted to
>>Michael's betrayal. They acted like he just started shooting
>>mofos to see them die, instead of having to do it to save
>his
>>son.
>>
>
>He shot AnaLucia ( who NOBODY liked, fans OR other
>Characters)on purpose. But it wasn't in Cold Blood. He didn't
>want to do it...
>
>But he accidentally shot Libby.
>
>
>That's two dead, one killed by accident...
>

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

Well, except on Ana Lucia. I actually like the Tail Section Survivors (minus Libby).

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37. "LOL at this point does it matter? lol...."
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>
>I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
>
>Well, except on Ana Lucia. I actually like the Tail Section
>Survivors (minus Libby).
>


*shrug* I only liked Eko and Bernard from that group.


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40. "RE: LOL at this point does it matter? lol...."
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>
>>
>>I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.
>>
>>Well, except on Ana Lucia. I actually like the Tail Section
>>Survivors (minus Libby).
>>
>
>*shrug* I only liked Eko and Bernard from that group.
>

Ecko was the truth. I'm still kind of angry that we will never get to see what was originally planned for him.

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26. "Good dudes always shoot people for no reason"
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29. "good dudes shoot poorly for no reason, too, bitch"
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35. "I gotta admit, I chuckled at that one"
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57. "yeah, me too"
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67. "RE: something he said just struck me and i'm really pissed right now"
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I disagree slightly. i agree that Mike was a good dude. But he made some messed up choices. I never thought of him as dispicable. He saved his child. I don't know anyone who wouldn't do what they could to save their children from some homecidal weirdos. And if it takes a criminal fatal act to do so, then so be it. He had somewhat of a Matyr's death. He died for everyone on that island and in that helicopter. I have no idea what hp was talking bout, saying mike didnt make amends with the people he wronged. Just because they didnt see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Viewers demonize his character and depict him as a dispicaple scumbag and HP wants to be redeemed in THOSE VIEWERS eyes. His ego is bruised. He has an issue of being painted as the bad guy but honestly he wasn't. Lost is like a huge buffet and you pick and choose your meal. Doesn't mean what you pick has any nutritional value. Some fans completely disregard the fact that he killed those people because he needed to save WALT. His son. No one on the show is a saint. Kate claimed Claires babe as her own. Jack knowingly left Jin behind. We've seen everyone's flaws and we'll be seeing a hell of alot more.

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62. "^^perpetuates sterotype that black folks can't swim."
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But seriously, I was always kinda irked at how they played your boy, and I usually ignore accusations like this.

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38. "he was kind of right"
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I was always annoyed with the way the Michael character was written.

He started out as a good character, but it seemed like poor writing just slowly turned him into one of the worst characters on the show. Which irked me since he's such a good actor. I think he deserved a better script.

And for all the way they built up everything with his character, and then brought him back...killing him again like that was just kind of pointless.

It's not quite, but almost as annoying as how they killed off Mr. Eko. They could have just killed him off at the climax of season 2, in that explosion. But he survives. And then Locke says him from getting eaten by a bear or whatever, and Eko survives AGAIN.

Then he gets body slammed to death by smoke?

Bull shit...

Yeah the two black men on the show both got punked out. And the one black woman on the show hardly ever even shows up.

  

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39. "I REALLY Wanted Mr. Eko to go Adebisi on somebody..."
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>
>Then he gets body slammed to death by smoke?
>


I don't like him being all Docile. I was waiting on him to put that skull cap on and start controlling the Island.

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41. "What irked me was they gave him NO "death moment". At all."
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All the other characters had lots of time spent on their deaths, either an episode dedicated to them before they die, a dramatic death scene, poignant/ominous parting words. Even Paolo and Nikki got more shine when they died.

Michael's death was unceremoniously slipped into a busy finale. That's it? Word?

I wish they would've given us something else. Even a moment for him to think about Walt, to apologize. Something. Because it was clear he wasn't all bad, or even really that bad at all. He was a good man totally pushed to the brink on the island, who did a bad thing in order to save his son. I bet most fathers in this world would do the EXACT SAME SHIT. One of the few "good" characters on the show, and he gets offed like that.

It doesn't even sound like he'll appear in flashback either. *smh*

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45. "agreed."
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>All the other characters had lots of time spent on their
>deaths, either an episode dedicated to them before they die, a
>dramatic death scene, poignant/ominous parting words. Even
>Paolo and Nikki got more shine when they died.
>
>Michael's death was unceremoniously slipped into a busy
>finale. That's it? Word?
>
>I wish they would've given us something else. Even a moment
>for him to think about Walt, to apologize. Something.

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54. "He sacrificed himself to save as many people as he could"
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I thought that was a pretty defining moment of his character.

Plus, his scene was very memorable IMO. Jacks dad showing up and letting him know that he was no longer invincible (or whatever you want to call the whole no dying island shit) seconds before the explosion was great.

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80. "didn't they have to rush a lot of shit cuz of the strike?"
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i'm not sure how much of the finale they had planned originally, but they had to extend it out just to cover what they did cover, and a lot of it felt very rushed. i mean, they spent a whole episode on his reintroduction. in terms of his character and story, i don't think they could have afforded more time for him in the finale.

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42. "I think you misinterpreted what he said."
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and I don't think his clarification is what he meant either.


right before that, he was talking about the lost fans, and hementioned "it's not interesting". He's talking about how the fans of lost react to black characters, like eko and michael, and want vengeance upon them., but more easily forgive, and want a good resolution foer white characters.

if you read the original interview, I think it's clear he's talking about why the mostlywhite audience of lost didn't care whether walt and michael got away together in the end.


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47. "You're right"
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>
>right before that, he was talking about the lost fans, and
>hementioned "it's not interesting". He's talking about how
>the fans of lost react to black characters, like eko and
>michael, and want vengeance upon them., but more easily
>forgive, and want a good resolution foer white characters.
>
>if you read the original interview, I think it's clear he's
>talking about why the mostlywhite audience of lost didn't care
>whether walt and michael got away together in the end.
>

i remember reading the lost boards during season 2 and there was no sympathy towards michael. after he killed, got walt and bounced, he was hated. had michael and walt been white i'm sure the response would be different.

michael was a fan favorite in season 1. i think the writers really messed up his development. had they handled it better the reaction could have been different.

as for eko, he was up there w/locke and ben in popularity. everyone loved eko.

  

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52. "RE: You're right"
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>
>i remember reading the lost boards during season 2 and there
>was no sympathy towards michael. after he killed, got walt and
>bounced, he was hated. had michael and walt been white i'm
>sure the response would be different.

I don't know, depending on what board you read there are plenty of people who hate some of the White characters too. There are people who talk about how much they hate Kate or Jack in reviews episodes they are hardly in.

>
>michael was a fan favorite in season 1. i think the writers
>really messed up his development. had they handled it better
>the reaction could have been different.
>

This I agree with. I still think they should have had Ben take out Ana Lucia. They could have just had Mike go into the room give Ben the gun, have Ben shoot her, then have Michael pull one of those "this isn't what I agreed to!" Then Ben could have handed Michael the gun and still pulled off the "accidental" death of Libby by Michael.


>as for eko, he was up there w/locke and ben in popularity.
>everyone loved eko.

Well supposedly the actor wanted to leave and wanted to leave earlier than they planned, which is why the whole saved from a bear thing seemed so stupid when he gets killed 2 eps later.

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58. "RE: You're right"
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>>
>>right before that, he was talking about the lost fans, and
>>hementioned "it's not interesting". He's talking about how
>>the fans of lost react to black characters, like eko and
>>michael, and want vengeance upon them., but more easily
>>forgive, and want a good resolution foer white characters.
>>
>>if you read the original interview, I think it's clear he's
>>talking about why the mostlywhite audience of lost didn't
>care
>>whether walt and michael got away together in the end.
>>
>
>i remember reading the lost boards during season 2 and there
>was no sympathy towards michael. after he killed, got walt and
>bounced, he was hated. had michael and walt been white i'm
>sure the response would be different.
>
>michael was a fan favorite in season 1. i think the writers
>really messed up his development. had they handled it better
>the reaction could have been different.
>
>as for eko, he was up there w/locke and ben in popularity.
>everyone loved eko.

White fans turned on Ecko once they learned this backstory. Him saying he doesn't regret his actions to the smoke monster pissed them off even more.

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48. "i agree. jj abrams &writers should have explored black familial relation..."
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that would have been awesome
they could have tied it in with the theme of island teleportation

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53. "lol"
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..|.,

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50. "why won't you just admit it?"
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51. "TELL EM WHY YOU MAD SON"
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STOP HATIN AND GET MONEY MY NIGGA

  

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55. "he's a SELL OUT"
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who cares?!

lol

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59. "The exact moment they F'd up his character was...."
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when he shot those two women. Betraying the survivors can be understood as a move a desperate father would make to save his kid. But a stone cold murderer of innocent victims (who didn't need to be killed), was soo out of line with the character up to that point. I wouldn't call that racists writing, but I do believe race played a role. That is, no other character purposely killed innocent victims and I don't think they would have allowed Jack, Sawyer or Kate to do that. (TO be fair, there were a lot of accidental deaths of innocent victims).

I also think that race subconsciously played a role in the death of the black chick who got knived in the back by JOhn Locke. I think it would have been a lot harder for people to still identify with John Locke as a good guy if he did a white chick like that.

Again, I won't go as far as saying that the writers are racist. I would say that they identify less with black characters and have a harder time writing for them. I also think its easier for the writers to relegate black characters to the role of being killed or killers.

It is what it is. I also complain how black writers often write white characters as stock two deminisional characters.

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60. "you might have something"
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although most of the white characters are killers at this point, they just get away, or have so far.

We'll see how they handle Walt.

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63. "The one point I'll strongly disagree with is this:"
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>I also think that race subconsciously played a role in the
>death of the black chick who got knived in the back by JOhn
>Locke. I think it would have been a lot harder for people to
>still identify with John Locke as a good guy if he did a white
>chick like that.

By then, we knew that it wasn't Penny's boat, and that she was a bad guy and a liar. If a white girl had been the villainess in that scenario, that knife-in-the-back still would've been cheered.

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64. "but did she have to be black?"
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I don't think they chose a black actress because people wouldn't care if Locke killed her though, that was a "Locke is fucking nuts" moment. I don't think it was meant to be cheered for at all. But it is a check in the "maybe racist" box.
I think the show runners are more clueless than callous.

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69. "RE: but did she have to be black?"
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So no black characters can ever be killed on a tv show? I think you're making too much of this.

Do I think Micheal was written badly? Yes, but I don't think it was a racial thing. The fact that they hired a kid about to or going through puberty on a show where ever episode was only supposed to be a day or two shows they didn't think some things through.

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74. "I'm not outraged or anything"
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I think the show is great but I think Perrineau has a solid point.

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82. "Cosigned. I am not outraged."
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>So no black characters can ever be killed on a tv show? I
>think you're making too much of this.

My issue isn't with killing black characters. I think it just reflect that black lives are somewhat devalued on television. I just don't think that they would have glossed over a white chick getting stabbed in the back by one of the "good guys". We will never know though because It's one of those hypothesises that I will never be able to test (therefore I don't really push the issue).

>
>Do I think Micheal was written badly? Yes, but I don't think
>it was a racial thing. The fact that they hired a kid about
>to or going through puberty on a show where ever episode was
>only supposed to be a day or two shows they didn't think some
>things through.


I am saying that the poor writing for michael is racial, but not racist, because white writers have a hard time writing for black characters. Its not racist because they don't have a mal intent, but it is racial because its relevant to his race.



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83. "RE: Cosigned. I am not outraged."
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>>So no black characters can ever be killed on a tv show? I
>>think you're making too much of this.
>
>My issue isn't with killing black characters. I think it just
>reflect that black lives are somewhat devalued on television.
>I just don't think that they would have glossed over a white
>chick getting stabbed in the back by one of the "good guys".
>We will never know though because It's one of those
>hypothesises that I will never be able to test (therefore I
>don't really push the issue).

I could understand that if only Black characters have been killed off on this show but that hasn't been the case. Plenty of characters have been killed off on this show.


>
>>
>>Do I think Micheal was written badly? Yes, but I don't think
>>it was a racial thing. The fact that they hired a kid about
>>to or going through puberty on a show where ever episode was
>>only supposed to be a day or two shows they didn't think
>some
>>things through.
>
>
>I am saying that the poor writing for michael is racial, but
>not racist, because white writers have a hard time writing for
>black characters. Its not racist because they don't have a
>mal intent, but it is racial because its relevant to his
>race.

My main problem with this is what really made Mike and Walt "Black" characters anyway? If they would have used White actors for Mike and Walt would anything they had done been written differently?

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65. "i dunno about sterotypes but....."
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...killin off most of the characters of color on a show that doesn't have many is pretty tripped out....one HAS to admit that black folk do NOT have a strong shelf life on the island...i hope Rose makes it til the end of the show....

..and i dunno if ole boy wanted to leave, but killin off eko was honestly one the worst things they ever did....

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68. "unless somebody is lying"
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The actor wanted to leave. Plus, I read that he wanted to leave quicker than planned.

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81. "short shelf life? they kill a lot of white folk with a quickness"
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artz blown up, shannon shot, boone crushed by airplane, nikki buried alive...and i don't know about anyone else, but i chuckled when the three red-shirts got killed by keamy and his crew after sawyer was warning them to stay inside, which i think was a scene that was meant to be darkly-humorous and was pretty dismissive of 3 white people's lives. i'm not saying there isn't an issue with the portrayal of non-whites on TV, or that it's the white character's who are being killed off too quickly, but sometimes a death is just a death on tv.

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70. "I agree with Frank that he deserved a better exit"
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especially since we hadn't seen him for the good part of 1 1/2 seasons, and he was a major part of the first 3

I wonder if an episode with him being featured was one of the episodes that was cut from this season...

And I am troubled with the status of the black characters of the show, even with the reminders that Rose is still there, the looming presence of Abbadon and the still-unknown future status of Walt

But I'm not quite ready to protest outside of Cuse and Lindelof's offices on the ABC lot

And as far as Eko goes, I know for a fact that he could have kept his ass on that island longer than he did... let's just say that he chose not to, and leave it at that...
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71. "Lost's portrayal of asians is on some bullshit too."
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I mean, they're great characters with a lot of depth. But they both speak perfect english in real life, so why they gotta make Sun speak broken FOB english and give Jin the inability to speak it? It's like, "Hey, let's slow down the progress of asian-americans on tv by making them native koreans..." It's like they were trying to reach a racial-diversity quota just for the sake of it.

I'm glad my man Ken Leung eventually came through to represent. Miles is awesome.

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72. "i actually thought making them native korean was more interesting"
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and adds complexity to their characters.

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75. "basically"
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and why are they played by Americans? Probably because the writers, cast and crew don't speak Korean.

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76. "yeah I think it's better this way n/m"
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77. "I agree, but it just seemed kind of suspect to me."
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I mean, Yunjin Kim originally went for the role of Kate. I saw her audition tape, and she's a way better actor than Evangeline.

So it just seems like asian actors are always getting cast just for being asian and having their character pretty much defined by their asian-ness, rather than them being regular folks who just happen to be asian.

Japanese dude from Heroes too... same shit. Both these characters emerged around the same time, so I immediately became suspect.


(I still like them characters though. I'm at least grateful they're not Long Duk Dong-type characters or some embarrassing shit.)

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73. "imo LOST's portrayal of old rich british white men is on some bullshit."
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i mean, the *only* old rich british white guy on the show is a villain? *and* an alkie?

the fuck, yo?

they could've been more sensitive w/ that.

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78. "lol cosign"
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