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walihorse
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"How did PTP like V for Vendetta?"


  

          

I just saw half of the movie today again. I really liked this movies. i mean i never read the comic books so i'm not sure how true to the comic book it stayed. But it is one of my favorite comic book movies.


the story was good, the acting was superb, the pace was good for a 2hr comic book movie.

what say you guys?

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Never read the comic book
Mar 11th 2008
1
watching it today i was like this is an underrated comic movie
Mar 11th 2008
4
      No I didn't mean what the government did but how it
Mar 11th 2008
9
It pretty much pivots on whether you read the comic
Mar 11th 2008
2
word????
Mar 11th 2008
5
I love both.
Mar 12th 2008
27
bleh
Mar 11th 2008
3
what didn't you like????
Mar 11th 2008
6
      just kinda boring and overwrought
Mar 11th 2008
7
           yeah definitely wasn't a typical comic book movie
Mar 11th 2008
8
           their motives were explained, but I never got
Mar 11th 2008
10
                Co-sign
Mar 11th 2008
11
           RE: just kinda boring and overwrought
Mar 12th 2008
29
Thumbs down
Mar 11th 2008
12
damn
Mar 11th 2008
13
i loved it
Mar 11th 2008
14
cool at least i'm not the only one
Mar 11th 2008
15
not having read the comic, i was thoroughly entertained.
Mar 11th 2008
16
i liked it
Mar 12th 2008
17
IT SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 12th 2008
18
Could have been a lot better
Mar 12th 2008
19
yeah but thats how most dystopian works are
Mar 12th 2008
35
      Well, not true really
Mar 12th 2008
36
           I never saw scanner darkly but children of men had a different problem
Mar 12th 2008
39
                See it
Mar 13th 2008
43
I loved it.
Mar 12th 2008
20
liked it
Mar 12th 2008
21
I've never read the comic, but I liked it a lot.
Mar 12th 2008
22
It was Okay
Mar 12th 2008
23
loved it
Mar 12th 2008
24
i liked it
Mar 12th 2008
25
I really liked it alot
Mar 12th 2008
26
RE: I really liked it alot
Mar 12th 2008
28
That's how I felt about it
Mar 13th 2008
42
that quote is based on this:
Mar 13th 2008
45
      Oh I knew where it was derived from
Mar 14th 2008
47
RE: 2 thumbs up
Mar 12th 2008
30
I've read the comic. (SPOILER)
Mar 12th 2008
31
RE: I've read the comic. (SPOILER)
Mar 12th 2008
32
it's never spelled out specifically that he's gay
Mar 12th 2008
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      RE: it's never spelled out specifically that he's gay
Mar 17th 2008
56
word????
Mar 12th 2008
34
      It's a process of elimination
Mar 14th 2008
46
           well, not to mention
Mar 15th 2008
53
Liked it better on subsequent viewings. Portman's accent was iffy tho
Mar 12th 2008
33
loved it
Mar 12th 2008
38
RE: How did PTP like V for Vendetta?
Mar 13th 2008
40
loved it
Mar 13th 2008
41
AMAZING!
Mar 13th 2008
44
i thought it was excellent.
Mar 14th 2008
48
I really enjoyed it.
Mar 14th 2008
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RE: I really enjoyed it.
Mar 15th 2008
50
didnt dislike it just liked the book more
Mar 15th 2008
51
absolutely loved it
Mar 15th 2008
52
The movie was boring. The V character was great.
Mar 15th 2008
54
did you just not like it? or can you HONESTLY say it was boring?
Mar 17th 2008
55
I loved it
Mar 17th 2008
57
Cool enough, but the Wachowskis have such an awful ear for dialogue.
Mar 17th 2008
58
one of my favorite movies ever...
Mar 18th 2008
59
sort of boring
Mar 18th 2008
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1. "Never read the comic book"
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I also liked it, thought it was entertaining and relevant to todays political climate.

  

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4. "watching it today i was like this is an underrated comic movie"
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i don;t think it was too similar to things in the US now. thats was based in a dystopian england. we can at least for now still make fun of prez bush with out getting ransacked.

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9. "No I didn't mean what the government did but how it"
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got the power to implement those martial law measures. Mostly playing off the fear of the people, the whole "strength through unity, unity through faith" and the monitoring of people through wire taps. Using terrorism to justify restrictions on human rights, things of that nature.

It also mentions how the US led war in the middle east got out of control.

  

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2. "It pretty much pivots on whether you read the comic"
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those who did, don't like the movie
those who didn't do.

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5. "word????"
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ima have to look for the comic book then.

see how it differs

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3. "bleh"
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*never read the comic either*

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6. "what didn't you like????"
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7. "just kinda boring and overwrought"
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plus the characterization of V and Evey was weak

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8. "yeah definitely wasn't a typical comic book movie"
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but i thought the characters were good.


i mean why V was pretty strong was explained and eve you find that she is helped when she gets tortured by V.

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10. "their motives were explained, but I never got"
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a strong connection to the characters...they were underdeveloped

all that "ultimate sacrifice" at the end seemed hollow

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11. "Co-sign"
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It was fine but it was kind of "These guys are bad because they are bad" to me. I never really cared about any of the characters. I was very disappointed when I first saw it but I watched it again on cable and thought it was decent.

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29. "RE: just kinda boring and overwrought"
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>plus the characterization of V and Evey was weak
Disagree. V and Evey are both victims of trauma based mind control. V becomes obsessed and Evvey is the complete opposite. i think the character development is adequate and accurate when you look at both V and evey's backgrounds.

  

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12. "Thumbs down"
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and I didn't read the book.

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13. "damn"
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no one liked this movie????

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14. "i loved it"
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was entertained the entire time. plus i love natalie.

my friend, who i expected to hate it, actually loved it too.

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15. "cool at least i'm not the only one"
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and co sign natalie portman, oh man esp when she was stripping in closer

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16. "not having read the comic, i was thoroughly entertained."
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it definately dragged in the second half. but it picked up at the end.

the images were really powerful. that's pretty much how id describe the whole movie. powerful.

the only time i really thought "comic book" was the images of V in flames in the flashback bursting out of the hospital. other than that, it was a solid action flick that leaned a little too heavily on its political messages.

natalie was stunning even with a shaved head. few woman in hollywood can pull that off and still keep me attracted.

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17. "i liked it"
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never read the comic

  

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18. "IT SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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and i did not read the book

  

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19. "Could have been a lot better"
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had a big opportunity to say some really interesting and topical things about terror politics and the responsibility of the populace to keep a government in check through dissent and revolution. I think the major flaw was that they made the government so unbelievably evil that the arguement for rebellion was so simple...you'd have to be an idiot not to fight back to them.

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35. "yeah but thats how most dystopian works are"
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for example 1984.

all the thins the goverment was doing was unbelieveable. but it still lets me is that if unchecked it can get that far, but even if it does. a fight or revolution can still be made


and in 1984 is even more disheartening, big bother was even controlling the group that was doing the revolting

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36. "Well, not true really"
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For example, in A Scanner Darkly or Children of Men the government is much more subtle in excercising it's complete control over the populace.

1984 was written in a time directly following some of the most grotesquely overbearing fascist dictatorships, it was fitting and appropriate for Orwell to use those images and ideas. In 2008 governments are far more clever in their control mechanisms, and far more subtle.

In V for Vendetta they used mostly Nazi imagery, I just think it was too much, in that it didn't challenge the viewer at all to support rebellion against a government that killed 130 000 of its own people for personal gain. I think it would be better if the government's excesses were just as persistent but less over-the-top, presenting the question to the viewer of "how far DOES a government have to go before I should consider rebelling against it?"

Here's the part where you stop reading unless you're particularly interested in things I have to say:

My friend went to a diner and roundtable discussion at a pro-business think tank called The Fraser Institute a few years ago. The roundtable was set up to discuss a fictional situation in which a manufacturing plant was set up in a poverty stricken area in a third world country, and to discuss the positives and benefits of use of foreign labour.

Fine.

The problem was that the fictional scenario was set up such that everybody benefitted, yet it was acting to serve as a reason why globalization generally benefitted the poor. My friend pointed out that no one in their right mind would argue that this fictional warehouse with great and safe working conditions and fair pay in a poverty stricken area would be a bad thing for anyone, but the question really should be "WHEN is using foreign labour okay, and when is it exploitative?"

I feel like the movie did the same thing as The Fraser Institute. No one in their right minds would think that the populace should have done anything other than rise up against this awful regime, but I think it could have been far greater a movie (given the climate at its release date and the desparate need for the provoking of debate) had they framed the argument against a less monstrous but still evil regime, forcing the viewers to actually think about when rebellion is good, and when it's bad.

I liked the movie, I just think it had the opportunity to be great.

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39. "I never saw scanner darkly but children of men had a different problem"
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i agree with you in the sense that. the movie those lead you in that you have to agree with the rebellion. but most movies are the same way.


thats most important scene to me in that movie was, when the guys with the show, gets taken away for making fun of the chancellor. and gets taken away. take the soviet union back in the day. it isn't so far fetched.


but yeah i liked the movie. regardless of the intentional or unintentional messages. i was entertained

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43. "See it"
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20. "I loved it."
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It probably ranks up there as one of my five favorite comic based movies. Speaking as someone who HAS read the book, V is probably the ONLY comic based movie I've seen where I walked out the theater feeling that the deviations from the book actually improved on the source material.

But that's just me.

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21. "liked it"
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22. "I've never read the comic, but I liked it a lot."
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I wanted to see more of the Backstory on V.


Maybe I'll go buy the Graphic Novel.


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23. "It was Okay"
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24. "loved it"
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25. "i liked it"
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26. "I really liked it alot"
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I mean this one quote does it for me "The people should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of their people"

LOVE it.

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28. "RE: I really liked it alot"
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as a degree holder in Poli Sci I fucking loved it, as a film minor it was solid.

i give it 8.345

that's all.

  

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42. "That's how I felt about it"
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I loved the look at society, the Soc major in me loved it.

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45. "that quote is based on this:"
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
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47. "Oh I knew where it was derived from"
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I think that made me like it more.

Thanks for the knowledge dropping though.

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31. "I've read the comic. (SPOILER)"
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V is a Homosexual.

for whatever reason why the movie didn't show that made it an O.K. film for me.

overall. It's was good, but the comic is great.

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32. "RE: I've read the comic. (SPOILER)"
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>V is a Homosexual.

V's never revealed to be a homosexual in the book.
Did I miss something?



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37. "it's never spelled out specifically that he's gay"
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but I thought it to be true after the second time I read it. You can't hold it against the movie if it wasn't stated in the comic.

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56. "RE: it's never spelled out specifically that he's gay"
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I read somewhere that Moore wanted him originally to be a transexual terrorist. Needless to say, that was nixed.
When you really think about it, the gay part makes sense.

  

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34. "word????"
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i'm going have to read the books now.

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46. "It's a process of elimination"
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The people in the camps were undesirables. Most were immigrants, some were homosexuals and some were dissidents. V obviously wasn't an immigrant, so that means he was a homosexual. He didn't claim to be political before he was taken to the camps, so that means he was a homosexual.

In the book, Evey has an affair with the guy she runs to (I forget his name) when she escapes V the first time. In the movie, that character is portrayed as gay and V is portrayed as in love with Evey. That never comes across in the book.

I liked the book, but the stuff that was changed in the movie IMO would be unfilmable, and therefore it improved the pacing of the story. that in mind, I really, really enjoyed the movie.

  

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53. "well, not to mention"
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he was a bit dramatic, and just had homo tendencies in general. I forget the parts I cited when I brought this up the first time. Need to read again.

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33. "Liked it better on subsequent viewings. Portman's accent was iffy tho"
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38. "loved it"
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40. "RE: How did PTP like V for Vendetta?"
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probably my favourite "super"hero movie of recent times.

  

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41. "loved it"
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it's maybe the ONLY comic book or movie based on a graphic novel that actually made me THINK about the world we live in TODAY after leaving the theater.....

i loved the fact that it was really a political movie disgiused as a action comic book thiller....

along with "road to pedition", it's definately one of my all-time favorite comic book movies....

  

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44. "AMAZING!"
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48. "i thought it was excellent."
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49. "I really enjoyed it."
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50. "RE: I really enjoyed it."
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Compared to the comic, it sucked. The Theme at the end was wrong too. Needless to say the entire movie pissed me off. I Went and read the comic again to get the bad taste out of my mouth

  

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51. "didnt dislike it just liked the book more"
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the issue with films based on comics/graphic novels/books is that they cut stuff out and change things up to appeal to a wider audience

and sometimes that stuff is exactly whats so appealing about the source material

  

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52. "absolutely loved it"
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was it perfect? no, but i can forgive that

maybe i just really needed to see Natalia Portman in this kind of role after those awful Star Wars prequels

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54. "The movie was boring. The V character was great."
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and the scene where the girl is in the prison was good too.

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55. "did you just not like it? or can you HONESTLY say it was boring?"
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I mean with all that vivid imagery and action you found it "boring"?

movies set in the Victorian age are boring.


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57. "I loved it"
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it was and is great

  

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58. "Cool enough, but the Wachowskis have such an awful ear for dialogue."
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59. "one of my favorite movies ever..."
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its so progressive and moving to me...

after the movie i wanted to start a revolution and blow up shit... but of course without proper planning that shit is stupid to do.

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60. "sort of boring"
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just didn't work for me. Not horrible, but it just sort of sat there.

Never read the comic.

I think having a main character with a mask on the whole time is bad for a movie.

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