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"The Official-Type "Ratatouille" (Rat-a-too-ee) Post"


  

          

Currently at one-hundred friggin' percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ratatouille/

"Brad Bird wrote and directed 'Ratatouille' and tops his previous work. Since his work includes 'The Iron Giant' and 'The Incredibles', this puts him somewhere between Chuck Jones and Michelangelo." (David Edelstein, New York Magazine)

Damn.

I know some of y'all have seen it already, but I haven't even seen the trailer yet. I've purposefully avoided all the nine-minute previews and crap b/c I wanna go in fresh.

I will d/l the trailer later today tho.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Saw the sneak preview in Atlanta
Jun 26th 2007
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I think Bird once said something to the effect of
Jun 26th 2007
3
None of the Shrek films are "appropriate" children's films in my
Jun 26th 2007
4
Enjoyed it a great deal
Jun 26th 2007
2
this film is a instant-classic...GO SEE IT!
Jun 26th 2007
5
i kind of wish the whole movie looked like the end credits though
Jul 03rd 2007
19
man im going to see that and sicko tomorrow
Jun 30th 2007
6
See "Sicko" first...
Jun 30th 2007
7
My favorite parts is when Remy eats the food.
Jul 01st 2007
8
just saw it again...
Jul 01st 2007
9
Man, Pixar just makes the rest of the industry look like fools.
Jul 01st 2007
10
those animated end credits were amazing, btw
Jul 02nd 2007
13
#1 at the B.O., "but" with "only" $48 mil domestic gross.
Jul 01st 2007
11
Bruce Willis as John McClane
Jul 04th 2007
21
My favorite Pixar flim.
Jul 02nd 2007
12
you guys are REALLY pouring it on thick.
Jul 02nd 2007
14
spectacular movie
Jul 02nd 2007
15
RE: The Official-Type "Ratatouille" (Rat-a-too-ee) Post
Jul 02nd 2007
16
it's atr like 95% now. The snark hadn't registered yet.
Jul 02nd 2007
17
lol i grew up on Ratatouille ...it was my secret...now its everywhere
Jul 03rd 2007
18
Just fantastic.
Jul 04th 2007
20
Phenomenal
Jul 04th 2007
22
My favorite movie going experience of the year
Jul 05th 2007
23
I really liked it, but I had some questions
Jul 05th 2007
24
on the notion of "anyone can cook"...
Jul 05th 2007
25
RE: on the notion of "anyone can cook"... SPOILER!!!!!
Jul 05th 2007
27
      Exactly. Everyone has natural gifts/talents
Jul 05th 2007
30
           he didn't originally want to cook
Jul 06th 2007
32
RE: I really liked it, but I had some questions
Jul 05th 2007
26
Heaven forgive me, I'm swiping a blog
Jul 05th 2007
28
A couple problems with his argument **spoilers galore**
Jul 05th 2007
29
      exactly
Jul 06th 2007
33
      RE: A couple problems with his argument **spoilers galore**
Jul 07th 2007
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           Sure but to excel at anything you need some natural ability
Jul 07th 2007
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                remy had a natrual gift, but still learned as well
Jul 07th 2007
38
                     So we're in agreement then?
Jul 07th 2007
39
                          yup!
Jul 10th 2007
42
Remy's mother was part of the story in early, early versions.
Jul 06th 2007
31
His dad, his brother...no mother?
Jul 17th 2007
47
It was ok; Not better than Incredibles though
Jul 06th 2007
34
Really?
Jul 06th 2007
35
It was Great. Cool Story...good not great dialogue...
Jul 08th 2007
40
I liked it whole lot. Not a top tier Pixar film, but still damn good
Jul 08th 2007
41
(BIG SPOILER)
Jul 10th 2007
43
2 Tails Up
Jul 11th 2007
44
Your boy said 'lightningy'....LOLOLOL
Jul 14th 2007
45
RE: I really enjoyed it
Jul 16th 2007
46
rats vs. human
Jul 17th 2007
48
I was actually disappointed...
Jul 19th 2007
49
I agree with this observation:
Jan 06th 2008
56
RE: Rated G?
Jul 24th 2007
50
...
Aug 04th 2007
52
Second screening. Man, this movie got better the second time.
Aug 04th 2007
51
Probably the best movie I've seen all year.
Aug 07th 2007
53
change your sig then, fool!
Aug 09th 2007
54
Loved it!
Nov 04th 2007
55
I honestly thought it was OK
Jan 06th 2008
57
Cars?
Jan 06th 2008
58
im so sorry it took me this long...
Nov 30th 2008
59
The end review of the food is how I felt about this movie.
Dec 01st 2008
60
      that speech is one of the best explanations of criticism ever.
Dec 01st 2008
61

farbod
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1. "Saw the sneak preview in Atlanta"
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It really is a ton of fun, I'm just curious as to what child would like this movie? If I was under the age of 12, there are a hand full of scenes that would make no sense to me at all, all of which are also funny. I guess the same could be said about the original Shrek movie, but it's still interesting to note how beyond a child's eyes the movie is.

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3. "I think Bird once said something to the effect of"
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It's okay to go over a kid's head every now and then, because they live in a world where there are constantly things that they don't understand. It's a little more natural to them to have to figure things out like that, and they actually kind of like it. This may have been on The Incredibles commentary, I forget.

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4. "None of the Shrek films are "appropriate" children's films in my"
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eyes.

And most Pixar films, "Toy Story 1" and "Cars" aside, seem to be aimed at general audiences, and not just kids. They're following the lead of the original Disney films and the "Looney Tunes" of the 1930s and 1940s - and of anime as well - instead of turning out a 90-minute digitally-created babysitter (*coughICEAGEMADEGASCARSHARKTALEuncough*)

  

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2. "Enjoyed it a great deal"
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And like farbod, I'm wondering if a lot of the humor will fly over kids' heads, though there is a lot of physical humor that they'll be able to get into
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5. "this film is a instant-classic...GO SEE IT!"
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this is one of the best films of the year...i just have a bad feeling that no one's going to see it.

we need more animated films like this - it's not a brainless fart/burp-fest. there's actual skilled writing and amazing artistic accomplishments here.

i saw the sneak and i'm going back opening weekend.

PLEASE SUPPORT THIS MOVIE.

  

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19. "i kind of wish the whole movie looked like the end credits though"
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i'll always love stylish, artistic 2-D animation over geometry pixar stuff

but yeah, that pixar look aside, the whole look was great

  

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6. "man im going to see that and sicko tomorrow"
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fuck it, ima spend the whole day in the movie theater. aint did that shit in a minute.

  

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7. "See "Sicko" first..."
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'cuz it is gonna make you angry and very upset...Then "Ratatouille" will uplift you.

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8. "My favorite parts is when Remy eats the food."
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That was so creative and beautiful.

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9. "just saw it again..."
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i haven't liked a movie this much in a while.

everything about it...the setting...the tone/mood...the characters and writing. this is an all-time classic.

  

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10. "Man, Pixar just makes the rest of the industry look like fools."
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This was such an excellent film. Funny, involving, and artistically and technically perfect.

Best of all? No stupid talentless celebrity voice actors fucking shit up (*coughJUSTINuncough*).

BTW: Did anyone stay around for the end credits and read the "disclaimer" at the end of the crawl:

Our Quality Assurance Guarantee:
100% Genuine Animation!
No motion capture or any other performance shortcuts
were used in the production of this film.

  

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13. "those animated end credits were amazing, btw"
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as people have always said, a full-length 2D pixar feature would be amazing.

  

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11. "#1 at the B.O., "but" with "only" $48 mil domestic gross."
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/4115365a1870.html

It's finna be MAD folks from Disney Accounting calling in to work tomorrow morning.

Meanwhile, the rest of us have the sense to realize that $48 mil is STILL good, the film is great, there's a ton of competition (and "Transformers" and "Harry Potter" won't help matters AT ALL), and that the film is still going to be profitable.

Just not as fast as bitch-ass "Cars".

  

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21. "Bruce Willis as John McClane"
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lost to Patton Oswalt as an animated French rat. That's how I choose to see it, at least.

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12. "My favorite Pixar flim."
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I mean the scene when he's holding him in the jar and he's nodding got to me.

And I'm so glad the human & the animal didn't ever actually speak to each other.

Also the animation looked great, that Dreamworks crap is horrible to look at.

Oh! And I didn't know Peter FUCKING O'Toole was in it, had I know I would have seen it friday.

And the final dish, just great.

  

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14. "you guys are REALLY pouring it on thick."
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the funniest thing about it though, i couldn't agree more.

that was a good movie.

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15. "spectacular movie"
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my girl drags me to every shitty animated movie that comes out (fuck shrek 3). seeing this one made it worth it. i watched it in a theater full of college students during the late show and everybody seemed to love it. they broke into applause 2 or 3 times during the 3rd act.

  

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16. "RE: The Official-Type "Ratatouille" (Rat-a-too-ee) Post"
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>Currently at one-hundred friggin' percent on Rotten
>Tomatoes.
dayaaaam
I'm going to see it Saturday
Is it better than Happy Feet?

  

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17. "it's atr like 95% now. The snark hadn't registered yet."
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I haven't even seen "Happy Feet", but I can still guarantee you that this is a better movie.

  

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18. "lol i grew up on Ratatouille ...it was my secret...now its everywhere"
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or at least its gonna be everywhere

i'll no longer get the looks of intrigue when i tell people about Ratatouille

kinda sucks

but the movie was fantastic! i come from a French restaurant family, and this was so perfect lol.

but, just so everyone understands: it's "Rat Tat Tuey"...NOT "Rada Tuey"

  

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20. "Just fantastic."
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Brad Bird can create a world like no other director. I love his style and the way he just draws you into his characters. Fantastic film, thumbs way up...I loved it.

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22. "Phenomenal"
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Went in with high expecations, and wasnt dissapointed.

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23. "My favorite movie going experience of the year"
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And it'll probably stay that way, much like The Incredibles and Iron Giant during their respective releases. You're doing yourself a disservice if you don't see this film as soon as you can. It makes me wonder if other studios (coughdreamworkscoughcough) watch Pixar films and ask themselves why their films aren't as rich and rewarding. The character development was phenomenal throughout... no one develops animated characters as well as Brad Bird. Maybe Miyazaki but even some of his work is lost in translation.

I really can't say enough great things about this film. Another Brad Bird film I'll be excited to add to my collection. And respect due to Thomas Keller. You can really feel where the film benefited from having one of the great chefs in the world involved in the production. So many great minor touches.

I'm excited to see this again, especially on DVD where I can watch certain scenes over and over just enjoying the nuances of Paris and Gusteau's kitchen.

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24. "I really liked it, but I had some questions"
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-The movie doesn't really believe that "ANYONE can cook," does it? The Linguini kid can't cook. Remy's brother can't even taste. Only phenomenally (and instantly) talented people can cook. Thus it's emphasis on the egalitarian notion of anyone doing it is confusing when the actions of the movie indicate otherwise.

-Why are there no female rats? I don't mean that in a PC way. I'm fine if a movie has no female characters. But there damn near a thousand rats, at least two dozen who speak at some point, and all are male. I'm glad they didn't take the time to force a Remy love story on us, but it's strange there's no lady rats at all.

-Why hire Ian Holm to do the same exaggerated French accent that any decent voice actor could do? He did a fine job though.

-Before the Pixar merger/takeover with Disney, does anybody think they could have gotten away with the the kid being a clearly out-of-wedlock son of Gusteau?

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25. "on the notion of "anyone can cook"..."
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the idea (which i love) is that anyone CAN cook, but not everyone can be a GREAT cook. Remy had the drive/passion and inherent natural ability to push him over the edge. "The Incredibles" had a similar theme - not everyone's going to be great, but greatness comes from many different and unexpected places.

pretty good stuff for a mainstream, Disney movie.

and i didn't even think about the no female rats thing...although, a lesser movie would've thrown in an unnecessary rat romance to match the one between linguini and colette.

  

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27. "RE: on the notion of "anyone can cook"... SPOILER!!!!!"
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it also said it in the beginning that anyone CAN cook, but it those who are daring are the ones that become one of greatness or something to that effect.....

i think that's was the main limitation with ol' gurl, is the fact she feared to experiment and was insistent with following the recipe












this movie was great...another unsaid thing was the fact that linguini DID find his natural gift which was being a waiter....it was something i noticed the 2nd time around while watching this movie....the fact that he practically waited the entire restruant with incredible speed was something that was overlooked

  

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30. "Exactly. Everyone has natural gifts/talents"
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And the idea of the film is that you should discover what those are and embrace them. I guess the problem you run into is when you're in Linguini's place early on in the film. He wants to cook, but he has no idea how. And it's not to say that he couldn't have figured out how to cook, it's that he recognized Remy's talent and figured that he could kill two birds with one stone: 1) he would get to look like a great cook in a great Parisian restaurant and 2) Remy would get to cook for people. It never seemed like Linguini WANTED to learn how to cook. But you could argue that Remy never tried to teach him either. Maybe there was a language barrier.

It would have been interesting to see Linguini attempt to learn cooking or Remy attempting to teach. The film would have taken a rather different tone.

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32. "he didn't originally want to cook"
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if you look at the soup scene again, he accidently knock the pot over and in a panic was trying to fix his screw up...that's the only reason why he was messing with the soup in the 1st place...

other than that, he DID like the fact that people were looking up to him.

  

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26. "RE: I really liked it, but I had some questions"
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>-The movie doesn't really believe that "ANYONE can cook,"
>does it? The Linguini kid can't cook. Remy's brother can't
>even taste. Only phenomenally (and instantly) talented people
>can cook. Thus it's emphasis on the egalitarian notion of
>anyone doing it is confusing when the actions of the movie
>indicate otherwise.

listen to ego's monologue again and it explains the true meaning behind that phrase...

>-Why are there no female rats? I don't mean that in a PC way.
>I'm fine if a movie has no female characters. But there damn
>near a thousand rats, at least two dozen who speak at some
>point, and all are male. I'm glad they didn't take the time to
>force a Remy love story on us, but it's strange there's no
>lady rats at all.

there's no reason...no focus to the story itself, plus you also sorta explained why they wouldn't "forced" us with a female rat even though with a clan that big it probably did have female rats, but the main focus was with remy and his brother & father....besides why would remy's brother have female friends which were the only other character rats they shown???

>-Why hire Ian Holm to do the same exaggerated French accent
>that any decent voice actor could do? He did a fine job
>though.

you said yourself that he did a fine job, but i think ALL the accents were exaggerated, and i think it was done intentionally as well

>-Before the Pixar merger/takeover with Disney, does anybody
>think they could have gotten away with the the kid being a
>clearly out-of-wedlock son of Gusteau?

yes...had it been those original disney films...it's just like would a movie like DUMBO could of gotten away with being so dark in this day and age

  

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28. "Heaven forgive me, I'm swiping a blog"
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Interesting disucssion from the Onion A.V. Club Blog. I agree with one of the user comments that said Brad Bird is more Harrison Bergeron than Ayn Rand. Here's the blog entry:

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/63440

Let me preface this by saying that I really like the films of Brad Bird, whatever the reservations I’m about to voice. The Iron Giant is a heartbreakingly beautiful meditation on how children learn about heroism, even if the movie’s “army = bad” sub-message is a little pat. The Incredibles is a stunning paean to retro style and the power of non-conformity, even if its corollary slaps at non-special folks come off a little mean-spirited. (Some would go so far as to call the movie fascist; and some think the whole debate over The Incredibles is nuts. I’m sympathetic to all sides, but I like the movie for what it most definitely is—a rousing, well-constructed adventure—as opposed to what it may or may not be saying.)



As for Ratatouille, I think it’s Bird’s best yet. It’s thoughtful, surprising, lovingly designed and deeply felt. It has a mood unlike almost any other animated feature I’ve seen. Even its most controversial character—the snooty critic “Anton Ego,” voiced by Peter O’Toole—didn’t rile me, because frankly, some critics are like that character, ready to meet expressions of enthusiasm with what Ego calls a heaping plate of “perspective.” And though I take what I do seriously and think criticism is a valuable artform, I’m not delusional. I know Wild Hogs made more people happy than all the negative reviews of Wild Hogs did. (I also know those negative reviews made some people happy …let us not forget that either.)




Really, my only significant quibble with Ratatouille is that I don’t think Bird really believes in the movie’s most prevalent theme: “Anyone Can Cook.” A cynical person might even say that Bird waves that theme around to quiet some of the outcry about The Incredibles, and to distract from the fact that Ratatouille says, essentially, the opposite.




(Note: Some SPOILERS for Ratatouille follow.)




At the end of the film, Ego confesses that he’d always been turned off by the idea that “Anyone Can Cook,” the motto of the film’s ghostly conscience, Chef Auguste Gusteau. But after meeting Remy, the rat with the phenomenal palate, Ego realizes that the real meaning of “Anyone Can Cook” is not that that we all have the potential within us to do something awesome, but that awesome talents can emerge from low places. However, they still have to be born awesome. It’s The Incredibles theme all over again: Some people are special, and everyone else should deal with the fact that they never will be. And Ratatouille’s plot plays that out. After making Remy’s recipe for sweetbreads every night for months, Linguini should be able to at least fake his way through prep, but because he’s “not a chef” in Ratatouille’s universe, he doesn’t even try. And despite giving Linguini’s love interest Colette a big speech about how hard it is to be a woman in the kitchen, Bird ultimately presents her as little more than a recipe-follower, whose ideas for improving one of Remy’s dishes don’t impress the exacting little rat. The movie may insist that “Anyone Can Cook,” but as far as Bird is concerned, only one person really can. And that person isn’t even a person.




(End SPOILERS.)




In essence, I get Bird’s point. Some people do have natural gifts that set them apart from their peers, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. But some people work their tails off and overcome their limitations—a thought Bird seems to actively disdain, at least judging by his films. I have a feeling that aside from our mutual love of the same illustrators, Bird and I probably wouldn’t have much in common if we ever met.




But in a way, Bird’s prickly philosophy is part of what makes his work so distinctive. Pixar’s other creative forces—John Lasseter, etc.—have strong sensibilities too, though they’re mainly preoccupied with the limitations of nostalgia and the bonds of family. There aren’t that many filmmakers—let along those working primarily in animation—willing to advance a worldview that doesn’t make people feel all gooey inside. (Tellingly, plenty of cartoonists are just that singularly sour, bordering on misanthropic. Bird seems to have more in common with iconoclasts like R. Crumb and Steve Ditko than with gushy Disney humanism.)




Personally, I like the fact that a filmmaker as distinctive as Bird is making movies that I can’t entirely swallow. I’m going to develop this thought further in a future post, but for me, the mark of art is how much it expresses who the artist is. It’s nice—and can be necessarily reassuring—to go to the movies, read books, or listen to music and have our opinions reaffirmed. But there’s also a lot to be said for listening openly to a disagreeable message—especially when it’s delivered with the class and wit of Ratatouille.

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29. "A couple problems with his argument **spoilers galore**"
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One. Yes Remy had an "advanced" palette that he seemed to be gifted with. But he also had a natural inclination towards experimenting. And he also read Gusteau's book. Gusteau's apparition mentioned that several times in the film. So it seems to me that Bird is saying it helps to both have training and natural talent/ability.

Two. The big knock on Colette wasn't that she wasn't "gifted" it's that she had no sense of adventure or experimentation. Look at all the great people throughout history. Many of them had obvious natural talents, but they were able to combine that with a desire to push boundaries. You can be a very good cook just by following what has been done before you, but to be a great cook you have to experiment. Like in most fields.

I think the film is more about having the courage to follow your own path and experiment than about having "special talents". Toward the end of the film when Remy is having a crisis of identity he realizes that he's constantly torn between being a "rat" for his family and being the "little chef" for Linguini. But he's neither of those things: he's a cook, because he loves to cook. He's doing what he loves and stays true to his heart in the process. To me that's more what Bird was trying to convey.

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33. "exactly"
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also in the beginning, when gusteau (s/p) reinterated that "anyone can cook", he also said only the FEARLESS are the ones that will achieve greatness.....

  

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36. "RE: A couple problems with his argument **spoilers galore**"
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>You are what you love to do.

But isn't that just pushing the origin of innate talent a little further back? Remy loved to cook because he was talented, just as much as he was talented because he loved to cook. You love to do what you are.

He had innate skills far above any other rat--note the rat poison episode. Obviously all the other rats would love to have that ability; it's not just their lack of fearlessness and experimentation that prevent them from being able to smell poison.

Like this blogger, I am happy to watch films by Bird that are extremely well made but that rub me the wrong way philosophically a little bit.

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37. "Sure but to excel at anything you need some natural ability"
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For any sport, to truly excel, you're going to need exceptional talent. And in most cases you'll also have to work hard. You're need both the nature and nurture. Look at all the supposedly "greats" in the past who have gone lauded in drafts or when they were in their teens only to turn out to be busts when they hit their professional careers.

In a case that hits close to home, you can't just hope to be a doctor without some natural inclination towards learning and some natural intelligence. You have to have a solid grasp of the sciences. Not everyone can do it. I've met many in my life who wanted to become a doctor but couldn't sweat the coursework. There's nothiing to be ashamed in that. But you can't just lean back on your natural gifts either. Medical school and residency are hard work and require long hours in the classroom, lab, clinic, hospital, and library. You're gonna have to read some large ass books and spend months on end studying for your licensing and board exams. You could be the smartest dude in the world, but you're still gonna have to get your study on.

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38. "remy had a natrual gift, but still learned as well"
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remy had a natrual gift, obviously, but if he also took in some instruction as well....colette didn't neccessary taught HOW to cook, but that scene where she was coaching linguini (with remy listening), she was showing everything you have to do in becoming an technical and expedient chef, which didn't involve actual cooking...such as learning how to pace yourself, or keeping your cooking area clean, and so forth....

it's like with sports, you CAN have a special talent, but even jordan worked hard mastering his talent....

  

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39. "So we're in agreement then?"
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Natural ability + training/practice/work = excellence

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42. "yup!"
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31. "Remy's mother was part of the story in early, early versions."
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Dunno why there aren't any female rats explicitly seen in the silm.

  

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47. "His dad, his brother...no mother?"
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I was wondering the same. Also I kept wondering what was the Linguini character supposed to be? Most of the chefs were Italian, French, Russian, Jamaican and it was distinct, but Linguini had an American Jewish accent. Perhaps their should've been a scene showing how G and L's mom came together.

  

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34. "It was ok; Not better than Incredibles though"
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35. "Really?"
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What did you like more about The Incredibles than Ratatouille? Because to me the dialogue and storylines were about equal, but Ratatouille looked better, and was a much deeper and more meaningful film.

And don't make the action movie argument. Ratatouille had some excellent action sequences. At least a third of the movie involved chase sequences.

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40. "It was Great. Cool Story...good not great dialogue..."
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They really paid homage to Walt Disney on this one...

  

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41. "I liked it whole lot. Not a top tier Pixar film, but still damn good"
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43. "(BIG SPOILER)"
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I'm surprised the words "love child" haven't been uttered in this post yet.

What would Walt have thought? (j/k)

  

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45. "Your boy said 'lightningy'....LOLOLOL"
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46. "RE: I really enjoyed it"
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48. "rats vs. human"
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There's a lot of distortion with Remy and Linguini's relationship. Remy did not need Linguini in order to survive, however did need him to help "live" (although in the shadows) out his dream of cooking. Linguini however was depended on Remy to survive and work in the kitchen not to mention earlier in the story L' admits he's lost so many jobs and this is his last chance. Although Remy's pa was correct in stating human's do not like rats he should've cont. with 'unless they can do something for them'.

Outta that, the movie was alright but to the weak stomachs put down the popcorn when Remy's pa tells him 'I wanna show you something'.

  

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49. "I was actually disappointed..."
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Honestly, it was nothing like I expected it to be, and is probably my least favorite Pixar movie (I haven't seen A Bug's Life or Cars yet).

It had funny parts, but I wanted it to be about a rat thief in an upscale kitchen, but when he started pulling on dude's hair, I was like 'Wha..?'

I tried not to read any reviews of the movie, and in turn, I didn't read the synopses either, so I guess I went in blind, but still...

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56. "I agree with this observation:"
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when he started pulling on dude's
>hair, I was like 'Wha..?'


That seemed like a really lazy story choice on Bird's part. It was a device that belonged in some other movie. OVerall, I did like the movie quite a bit but I dont think it's the masterpiece some were claiming it to be.

  

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50. "RE: Rated G?"
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I liked it but still not as much as cars or happy feet.
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>I liked it but still not as much as cars

  

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51. "Second screening. Man, this movie got better the second time."
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Two of the kids in the theater didn't seem to like it, though. About halfway through, I heard, between repeated over-dramatic sighs:

"I don't wanna watch this!"
"Mommy, this isn't a good show!"

The parents ignored them, though: they were too busy enjoying everything.

  

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53. "Probably the best movie I've seen all year."
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It took me a while, but goddamn. I loved this movie.

And as evidenced by the short beforehand and the film itself, is anyone else simply blown away by how LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF THE REST the computer animation for Pixar is?

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54. "change your sig then, fool!"
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naw...i agree...i've seen it thrice and i *never* see movies more than once in the theater.

  

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55. "Loved it!"
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57. "I honestly thought it was OK"
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It looked beautiful. As to be expected from a Pixar film. But I enjoyed, The Incredibles, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, and Cars better than this.
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59. "im so sorry it took me this long..."
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Ratatouille is one of the best animated movies ive ever seen. perfect on so many levels. easily the best pixar movie. Wall-E is a very close second, but wall-e is in a different league of movies in my opinion.

Ratatouille is just...oh boy.

if you havent seen it, you need to.

maybe my favourite animated movie after dumbo, pincchio, the little mermaid and beauty and the beast.

yup that would be my top 5.

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brilliant writing, even better voice acting

  

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