I just got back from seeing this. I can definitely say that this is better than Madea's Family Reunion (haven't seen the movie version of Diary...)

I noticed there were a lot of people at the showing so Tyler Perry probably didn't lose a lot of his fanbase. The comedic and dramatic parts are done very well. Of course, there's still that weird problem he has where things just happen out of the blue but that's not really a problem.

I'm not gonna spoil it right now but I can definitely say that this is one of the better black films I've seen in a little bit.


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she does the same performance in every movie she's in....

On The Lookout 4:
some new music. WTF is going on this year?

She plays it better here than in other movies.


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i don't know if it was the movie itself(meaning the writing and other sctors/actresses) or gabrielle, but she seemed to be a lil more "realer" than in the past.

I'm trying to remember what black films came out in the last few years.


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You say you saw Madea's Family Reunion, so I suppose I'll start from there:

Akeelah & the Bee
The Last King of Scotland (I'm sure continental Africans count)
The Pursuit of Happyness
Dreamgirls
Stomp the Yard

...and, um...
Norbit
Little Man

Granted, I don't expect you to name the last two (or three) as being better than "Daddy's Little Girls", but surely you've seen/plan to see at least one of the other four?

I liked it about as much as Akeelah and the Bee, I guess. Daddy's Little Girls is one of those feel good movie except it's much more melodramatic.


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>it's a movement

yes it is.



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>Of course, there's
>still that weird problem he has where things just happen out
>of the blue but that's not really a problem.

I stay writing over myself like that. No, it's not really a problem, just some shit I noticed in his plays and movies. People tend to blurt out something big at weird moments.


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Fuck that nigga Tyler Perry, he dressed up like a woman. His shit ain't on point like "The Color Purple" or "Do The Right Thing". All you southern, ignorant, church going fools can go see that shit if you want to. My crew is going to watch Block Party on DVD, and watch a Cornell West Q & A.

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was the single most hated line in that movie for me. I just hated that shit, to equivocate our two experiences like they had it as bad as us, or as if the system has as much riding on their failure as it does ours..

FOHWTBS!

Yeah, I know this isn't activist but I need to get that off my chest.

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Girls squeaked past Music & Lyrics for the Valentine's Day crown (4.5 million vs. 4.1).

Now let's see if it can take down Ghost Rider and Bridge to Terbithia for the weekend box office crown.

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Im guessin 25-30 forthe whole weekend W-Sun...
I think Ghost Rider will take the over all box office...


But DLG will turn a VERY nice profit. and have a huge per screen...





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There hasn't been a real kids movie since Night at the Museum has there?

I'm really interested in seeing how Ghost Rider does. I can't imagine THAT many people are fired up about it but if you advertise something enough, people will go see it.

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On Friday

15 for Ghost Rider
6 for Terabithia
4 for Norbit
4 for Music and Lyrics
2 for Daddy's Little Girls

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>On Friday
>
>15 for Ghost Rider
>6 for Terabithia
>4 for Norbit
>4 for Music and Lyrics
>2 for Daddy's Little Girls

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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/daddys_little_girls/

And the 47 it got on Metacritic might not be great but it makes it one of the best movies released so far this year. Of wide releases, Music and Lyrics 60 might be the best so far.

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>And the 47 it got on Metacritic might not be great but it
>makes it one of the best movies released so far this year.

Eddie Murphy won. Tyler Perry lost. They both need to stop that "cross-dressing under the name of acting" crap.

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GET ON MY LEVEL!

I never knew that.

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They typecasted dude IMMEDIATELY. These types of movies/roles are SO played out, when are we gonna move on?

Because he hasn't even been close to typecast. He's known to American audiences for playing:
1. A drug dealer from Baltimore.
2. A Rwandan soldier.
3. A mechanic from Atlanta.

You know, the flavor of the month suave GQ black guy. Leave it up to an uncreative director to place him there.

Yeah. That's a real Hollywood cliche.

Out of a bunch of potential candidates in a black film. He's the prototype for that shit, all it took was an uncreative director to use him like that. If you don't see that, you haven't seen a lot of stereotypical black romance films (which is a good thing) or you're on Tyler Perry's nutsack (very bad thing).

Ask most people who he is 75% have no idea, the other 25% say Stringer Bell. And if Elba was typecast by anything in Hollywood, it would be threatening black man not as hunky love interest. And if he can establish a name by taking a few rom-com roles than he should do it and then branch out. Tom Hanks and John Cusack didn't turn down roles early in their career because they didn't want to be typecast.

Basically you're saying that Idris Elba looks like he is your typical lead in a love story so he shouldn't play that. That's a great way to make sure you never have a career.

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>Out of a bunch of potential candidates in a black film. He's
>the prototype for that shit, all it took was an uncreative
>director to use him like that.

So, Perry should have cast some short unattractive guy to play his romantic lead? And how can you call him the prototype for a role that he's NEVER PLAYED BEFORE?

>If you don't see that, you
>haven't seen a lot of stereotypical black romance films (which
>is a good thing) or you're on Tyler Perry's nutsack (very bad
>thing).

There is a third option. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're not making any sense.

by no means was it a 4-star Oscar contender, but it was entertaining and better than about 90% of the black romantic comedies that have come out in the past 10 years.

I really don't understand all the hate that Tyler Perry gets, and I think that had this movie been released and not had his name attached to it, folks would have critiqued it on its own merit as opposed to comparing it to the Madea movies. As long as he continues to make movies, everything he makes is gonna get judged unfairly against Madea.....



Did I miss the 5 o'clock free crack giveaway?

If you make entertaining films that aren't exactly high art and make a ton of cash, people hate on you.

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>I really don't understand all the hate that Tyler Perry gets,
>and I think that had this movie been released and not had his
>name attached to it, folks would have critiqued it on its own
>merit as opposed to comparing it to the Madea movies. As long
>as he continues to make movies, everything he makes is gonna
>get judged unfairly against Madea.....

To a lot of people, his shit is heavy-handed, cliched pablum.

Did I miss the 5 o'clock free crack giveaway?

-He needs to climb down off the soap box. Having a syrupy sweet feel good message does not make a movie good or worth watching. Positive does not equal good.

-Let someone else write the damn things. He's an awful, awful writer. He has no ear for dialogue. When I saw the trailer for this movie, I literally winced. Examples:

"I'm gonna enjoy raising your little girls."
??? What grown man would ever taunt another grown man with the fact that he's going to be faced with the responsibility of taking care of 3 children that aren't his?

"You should meet my boss. She wins every case."
No lawyer wins every case. Instead of putting her skills into some sort of context, like referencing some big case that she just won that got a lot of media attention or something more real, he writes one line and makes Gabrielle Union a super-lawyer.

"What does your Ivy league background possibly have in common with him."
"You and I come from two different worlds but there's something going on here."

There's an old saying, "Show, don't tell." They come from different backgrounds, we get it. Stop telling us what the problem might be and show us why it might be a problem.

He doesn't understand subtlety or subtext or nuance. His stories are paint by numbers fables with enough "ghetto" elements--crack dealers, single parents--to make people think of it as "real" and enough "positive" elements--church, we shall overcome speeches, super-successful black professionals--to keep the "uplift the race" folks happy.

And the notion that this guy gets undeserved hate is really off base to me. Even in the negative reviews you can see critics WANTING to like the movie because of all the positives. (The leads, the message, etc.)

"Tyler Perry merits an A for the messages he wants to deliver but only a C-plus for the way he delivers them."
Jeff Strickler
Minneapolis Star Tribune

"The hamfistedness of Daddy's Little Girls ultimately shatters its charms."
Matt Zoller Seitz
New York Times

"Perry has great casting instincts, and in Elba and Union he’s matched two gifted, equally gorgeous actors, both of whom seem ready to make sparks fly. If only their director would let them."
Chuck Wilson
L.A. Weekly

As for the regular folks who get accused of "hating on" Tyler Perry, I can't speak for everyone so I'll speak for myself. I don't hate the guy. He's just not a good filmmaker.

I saw this movie last night and I was thinking to myself how elementary the writing was in the film.

I think he intellectually dilutes his films and that is insulting to me. This story could have been so much more but the writing was very poor.

I'm a lurker now.

To reach the correct audience. The standards are just low right now, real low. I also hate how he stereotypes everyone, makes me sick.

And related to Gabrielle's character in many ways. The blind date thing was comedy f'real. The situation with the mom and daughters just broke my heart especially to think that even WORSE happens everyday...but overall, I thought it was pretty good.

And who the HEYELL was that cuddled up with Tracy Ellis? Jeebus!!!

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I absolutely LOVED the movie too. It was a good movie.

Once again, there are idiots in here who can judge and critique a movie they've NEVER seen. All they need to see is the trailer, judge all the soundbytes, and they can give you a review.

The movie was good. A lot of black people will really enjoy it.

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No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

And can't stand that some people disagree with them.

The predictability of his movies is annoying.

The little girls' mama looked HORRIBLE the whole movie.

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Think tyler perry should take a screenwriting class or three. He's getting better as a director, but his writing will always hinder his movies.

I think it might be due to so many years writing those plays never challenged him to do any better.
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I enjoyed this movie. While I do agree that the writing is very basic and cliched but I feel that Tyler is trying to reach an audience that might not want to see a movie with more sophisticated writing.

I am also impressed at his efforts to integrate religion and its practical application in real life applications. Despite its shortcomings, it delivers a positive message. As someone pointed out positive does not necessarily mean good viewing but this is a very good first step.

Idris Elba also played a leading man in Tyler Perry’s “The Gospel.” No one mentioned that. So this is not the first time he has treaded these waters.

On Tavis Smiley’s show on PBS, Idris did express that he preferred playing character roles rather than leading roles. He chose this role because of its message and that he could identify with it being a single parent himself.

>I enjoyed this movie. While I do agree that the writing is
>very basic and cliched but I feel that Tyler is trying to
>reach an audience that might not want to see a movie with more
>sophisticated writing.

So, he's making bad movies for people who don't want to see good ones?

>IAs someone
>pointed out positive does not necessarily mean good viewing
>but this is a very good first step.

If a positive message doesn't necessarily mean good viewing, there's no logical reason why a positive message is even a first step towards making a good movie.

>>I enjoyed this movie. While I do agree that the writing is
>>very basic and cliched but I feel that Tyler is trying to
>>reach an audience that might not want to see a movie with
>more
>>sophisticated writing.
>
>So, he's making bad movies for people who don't want to see
>good ones?
>
>>IAs someone
>>pointed out positive does not necessarily mean good viewing
>>but this is a very good first step.
>
>If a positive message doesn't necessarily mean good viewing,
>there's no logical reason why a positive message is even a
>first step towards making a good movie.


So let me get this straight. You are criticizing my thoughts about this movie and you did not see it?

because it's naive to think that persons so incredibly unfamiliar with the lifestyles and people being portrayed in some of these black films doesn't affect how these people grade them shits. i'm sorry...it just don't work. i think they have the same tendancy to dismiss the shit as stupid as a "black" person (i.e. the type of black folk that love tyler perry movies and wanna see flicks with black faces) would dismiss shit like, oh, say...the queen.

there's something to be said for knowing your audience.

i didn't think the movie was so great, but it was better than a lotta shit i've seen so far this year.

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but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like THAT...

Seems like they ran out of time and/or money and slapped on an ending.

And the baby moms? C'mon bruh.

I'm just asking.


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I can agree that it is elementary. But Daddy's Little Girls is not a bad movie.

On a technical level, Perry's still somewhat unfamiliar so I don't trip on that. He really should try to start by getting a better DP.

As far as his writing is concerned, he's always been melodramatic. If he tones down too much then it's no longer melodramatic. I agree that he doesn't write good dialogue but he does come up with better characters than quite a few black writers. I'm not he's the greatest at it. I am saying he's good with that. His characters are simple. Simple can equate to being easier to understand. His heroes are truly heroes and his villains are definitely villains.

My opinion is that you can only be so harsh about a film you haven't seen. Afterwards it's speculation. Perry takes the "keep it simple stupid" approach to all of his plays and films.

Every movie doesn't need to have three to four subplots, a bunch of allusions and complex characters to be decent.


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There seems to be this logic among black folks that if someone is critical of his work they're either hating on him or don't get it because they're white. Of course, that's ridiculous.

>As far as his writing is concerned, he's always been
>melodramatic. If he tones down too much then it's no longer
>melodramatic. I agree that he doesn't write good dialogue but
>he does come up with better characters than quite a few black
>writers. I'm not he's the greatest at it. I am saying he's
>good with that. His characters are simple. Simple can equate
>to being easier to understand. His heroes are truly heroes
>and his villains are definitely villains.

To summarize: He's melodramatic, can't write dialogue, and his characters are simplistic. Guess what? That makes him a bad writer.

>My opinion is that you can only be so harsh about a film you
>haven't seen. Afterwards it's speculation. Perry takes the
>"keep it simple stupid" approach to all of his plays and
>films.

I watched the stage version of "Diary" on DVD and it was awful. And if every single line of dialogue in a trailer makes me cringe, that's all I need to know.

>Every movie doesn't need to have three to four subplots, a
>bunch of allusions and complex characters to be decent.

This speaks volumes. Complex characters aren't some extra added bonus that a movie needs to go from good to great. They're one of the basic building blocks of good screenwriting and good movie making. Without that, you get rudimentary archetypes instead of real people.

Some people just expect more from a movie.

>There seems to be this logic among black folks that if
>someone is critical of his work they're either hating on him
>or don't get it because they're white. Of course, that's
>ridiculous.

I only agree halfway with this statement because race does lend a small bias when it comes down to black films. Some critics really don't get it because they're white. But you're right about black folks in that statement. You're only being critical if you have concrete reasons for disliking something. If you judge without actually having knowledge of what you're talking about then you're hating.

>To summarize: He's melodramatic, can't write dialogue, and
>his characters are simplistic. Guess what? That makes him a
>bad writer.

That makes him a subpar writer. Perry still manages to tell a story from beginning to end. Like I said, a simple story can be appreciated just as much as a complex story. He does need to upgrade his level of dialogue, though.

>I watched the stage version of "Diary" on DVD and it was
>awful. And if every single line of dialogue in a trailer
>makes me cringe, that's all I need to know.
>
>>Every movie doesn't need to have three to four subplots, a
>>bunch of allusions and complex characters to be decent.
>
>This speaks volumes. Complex characters aren't some extra
>added bonus that a movie needs to go from good to great.
>They're one of the basic building blocks of good screenwriting
>and good movie making. Without that, you get rudimentary
>archetypes instead of real people.
>
>Some people just expect more from a movie.

What's the need for complexity in a story that is very simple to tell? Like I said before, he told the story from beginning to end. It's not Shakespeare but it matched my expectations. You can take a rudimentary story and still make a decent film out of it. A film shouldn't have to comment on the state of anything nor does it have to work on multiple layers to tell its story.

Another good example is Rocky Balboa. That movie wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel. It was just telling its story. Any complexity derived from the characters was a given because of the five other movies.

And as far as expecting more, do you even to relate to anything found in Tyler Perry's plays or films? That may be the problem right there. Maybe I relate because I'm from the South...I don't know.


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>I only agree halfway with this statement because race does
>lend a small bias when it comes down to black films. Some
>critics really don't get it because they're white.

Don't get what? His writing is awful. His story telling is cliched and formulaic. He's preachy and overly melodramatic. None of that is about black & white.

>>To summarize: He's melodramatic, can't write dialogue, and
>>his characters are simplistic. Guess what? That makes him
>a
>>bad writer.

>That makes him a subpar writer.

Talk about lowered expectations. A screenwriter who can't write dialogue is a bad screenwriter. Period.

>Perry still manages to tell a
>story from beginning to end.

So can a 12-year-old.

>What's the need for complexity in a story that is very simple
>to tell?

Notice I was talking about complexity of characters.

>Like I said before, he told the story from beginning
>to end.

Like I demonstrated earlier, that's nothing to brag about.

>A film shouldn't have to comment on the state of
>anything nor does it have to work on multiple layers to tell
>its story.

I never said it did. But it does have to be well-written and at least mildly original.

>And as far as expecting more, do you even to relate to
>anything found in Tyler Perry's plays or films? That may be
>the problem right there. Maybe I relate because I'm from the
>South...I don't know.

I was born and raised in North Carolina. I don't relate to his characters because they are paint-by-numbers, cardboard cut-outs of real people. That's bad movie making, and I don't like it.

>Don't get what? His writing is awful. His story telling is
>cliched and formulaic. He's preachy and overly melodramatic.
>None of that is about black & white.

Okay, his writing IS bad. Agreed. But isn't melodrama his whole schtick. I don't mind the melodrama at all. And the race comment was referring to what critics assume about many black films. Critics do have a very slight disconnect with these films but not nearly as much as a lot of black people force themselves to believe. But the same could be said about horror movies.


>Talk about lowered expectations. A screenwriter who can't
>write dialogue is a bad screenwriter. Period.

My expectations aren't the same for every movie. If I go to see a Tyler Perry movie, I'm not expecting the same things I'm expecting from someone like Scorsese.

>>Perry still manages to tell a
>>story from beginning to end.
>
>So can a 12-year-old.

Like I said, the story was told and I was satisfied. I wasn't looking for some epic drama.

>I never said it did. But it does have to be well-written and
>at least mildly original.
>
>>And as far as expecting more, do you even to relate to
>>anything found in Tyler Perry's plays or films? That may be
>>the problem right there. Maybe I relate because I'm from
>the
>>South...I don't know.
>
>I was born and raised in North Carolina. I don't relate to his
>characters because they are paint-by-numbers, cardboard
>cut-outs of real people. That's bad movie making, and I
>don't like it.

I live in NC too and I do see some of those people around. I do know people like some of those characters. If Daddy's Little Girls didn't communicate anything at all then I'd say it's bad moviemaking. As is, DLG is ultimately ordinary. But it's not bad.


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>Okay, his writing IS bad. Agreed.

Didn't that feel good? To just be honest. I think there are a lot of black folks in this country watching his movies thinking, "Ouch. This shit is really clunky." But keep it to themselves because they want to seem positive or don't want to be called a hater.

>And the
>race comment was referring to what critics assume about many
>black films. Critics do have a very slight disconnect with
>these films but not nearly as much as a lot of black people
>force themselves to believe. But the same could be said about
>horror movies.

See, if anything I think a lot of critics go out of their way to try and give black films the benefit of the doubt. Look at the reviews for this movie. I pointed this out before in reply #38, but it clearly bears repeating:

"Tyler Perry merits an A for the messages he wants to deliver but only a C-plus for the way he delivers them."
Jeff Strickler
Minneapolis Star Tribune

"The hamfistedness of Daddy's Little Girls ultimately shatters its charms."
Matt Zoller Seitz
New York Times

"Perry has great casting instincts, and in Elba and Union he’s matched two gifted, equally gorgeous actors, both of whom seem ready to make sparks fly. If only their director would let them."
Chuck Wilson
L.A. Weekly

Critics really WANT to like his stuff. But they can't because he's just so damn bad at it.

>My expectations aren't the same for every movie. If I go to
>see a Tyler Perry movie, I'm not expecting the same things I'm
>expecting from someone like Scorsese.

I couldn't disagree with you more. When I go to the movies, regardless of genre or budget or director, I want to see a damn good movie. At the very least it has to be well done. You've agreed with me that he's a bad writer. Good writing is one of the few basic, fundamental, essential building blocks of making a good movie. He doesn't have that. So, he's not making good movies.

>Like I said, the story was told and I was satisfied. I wasn't
>looking for some epic drama.

Stop inflating the expectations. I never said anything about it being an epic drama. Some of the greatest movies ever made have stories that unfold over the course of one day, hell even a few hours. It doesn't have to be epic. It just has to be well done.

>I live in NC too and I do see some of those people around. I
>do know people like some of those characters. If Daddy's
>Little Girls didn't communicate anything at all then I'd say
>it's bad moviemaking. As is, DLG is ultimately ordinary. But
>it's not bad.

I think it's pretty obvious that he's not good enough at enough of the skills to qualify as ordinary. I think he would have to improve drastically as a writer for his work to be considered average.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

The reason that everyone's boosting him right now is because that's who they want to "be the next Spike Lee". But that's ridiculous because there already is a Spike Lee.

I don't hate on him because he's improving. Now, I'm assuming you haven't seen his movies. But judging from what he's done, he does have some potential. I doubt that he'd ever make an "Oscar-worthy" film but I think he could make some decent films.

But I do see your point on the writing, though. My whole point is that, in the context of what he's done, DLG is a good improvement.

>>>There seems to be this logic among black folks that if someone is critical of his work they're either hating on him<<<

criticism is fine - i guess, though i
really don't see what purpose it
serves - but us black folks that
call it 'hating' do so when we
are told we are DUMB or IDIOTIC
or have BAD TASTE because of what
we like.

like what you wanna, but when you
criticize people for something as
subjective as personal taste -
especially when folks add a 'racial'
tinge to the criticism - that's hating.

people should not have to justify
the movies they see to anybody.

moreover, you never see tyler perry
fans busting all up in the DEVIL'S
BACKBONE thread, hating on GUIERMO
DEL TORO fans. its always 'elite'
minded folks judging us viewers
who like 'poorly made, lowbrow'
fare.

i really wish people would just make
the art they wanna see, support it,
and go on about their business.

all this hate, vitriol and snarky
invective really doesn't help anything.
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>moreover, you never see tyler perry
>fans busting all up in the DEVIL'S
>BACKBONE thread, hating on GUIERMO
>DEL TORO fans. its always 'elite'
>minded folks judging us viewers
>who like 'poorly made, lowbrow'
>fare.

and i'm a fan of del toro.

i just don't understand these dudes hating on black movies...unsolicited. it's like they wait and pounce with such glee. and then they get mad when someone interrupts the hatefest with a simple "why you hatin'?"

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I mean the race warriors who show up whenever anyone criticizes anything black.

>criticism is fine - i guess, though i
>really don't see what purpose it
>serves -

If we're talking about lay people, it doesn't have to serve a purpose. People talk about what they like or don't like about art all the time.


>but us black folks that
>call it 'hating' do so when we
>are told we are DUMB or IDIOTIC
>or have BAD TASTE because of what
>we like.

Read these boards. There's way more name calling of people who don't like Tyler Perry's films than there is of people who do. For a good example of that, see above.

>like what you wanna, but when you
>criticize people for something as
>subjective as personal taste -
>especially when folks add a 'racial'
>tinge to the criticism - that's hating.

I'm not criticizing anyone's taste. I'm criticizing Perry's abilities.

>people should not have to justify
>the movies they see to anybody.

Agreed. I never asked anyone to.

>moreover, you never see tyler perry
>fans busting all up in the DEVIL'S
>BACKBONE thread, hating on GUIERMO
>DEL TORO fans.

But there is someone expressing a dissenting view in almost every thread on this board.

>its always 'elite'
>minded folks judging us viewers
>who like 'poorly made, lowbrow'
>fare.

Again, I really don't see that happening. I see people expressing their opinion and the folks who like his stuff getting offended by that.

>i really wish people would just make
>the art they wanna see, support it,
>and go on about their business.

This is a message board. The point is to discuss movies and TV. You're not going to agree with a lot of what's written.

>all this hate, vitriol and snarky
>invective really doesn't help anything.

It's not hate. It's not snark. And it's definitely not vitriol. It's opinion.

BigNick hates black movies. He hates on EVERY black movie that comes out, and he hasn't seen ANY of them.

He can tell EVERYBODY the movie is bad without even SEEING it.

He always uses the excuse that the writing is bad. WITHOUT EVEN SEEING IT.

BigNick, you should stop hating yourself. I feel so sorry for you. You want to come off as this snobbish movie film guy, but you make an ass of yourself anytime you say a movie is bad AND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT. If that's not prejudice then tell us what is.

If white critics say its good, then he'll love it. Well, here's a surprise dude. A lot of black folks ain't ashamed of being black, and we ain't ashamed of going to see a black movie without prejudice. Our minds are open, unlike yours. We don't have these allegedly loft expectations that EVERY MOVIE has to be some deep intellectually complex mindbending experience. Yes, we like those movies too, but we can also roll with a movie like Daddy's Little Girls and not be so much of a tight-ass where we can't enjoy it.

The movie was good. A lot of black folks were really touched by it. How can you explain when other human beings are telling you the movie touched them?

I bet if you were in our faces you'd be on some kiss-ass B.S. and wouldn't be so prejudgemental in your words about EVERY black movie.

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"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

Someone disagrees with your opinion and you start making personal attacks. Thanks for helping me make my point.

Because I expect some good writing from a movie, I'm a tight ass and hate myself.

Because I don't like Tyler Perry's work, I hate all black movies.

Because I agree wit the critics assessment of his abilities, I always side with white critics.

All wrong-headed, ignorant assumptions.

Like the movies you want, but don't start whining like a little girl when someone criticizes it.

Now, here's some of that name calling you guys were talking about.

You are one seriously dumb motherfucker.

I was just curious if he had seen it. I'm not going on the attack because a lot of black movies could step up the writing among other things.

I admit Tyler Perry needs a lot of work but honestly DLG is a cut above his other work. As a matter of fact, it IS his best work so far.

If you see it, I'm sure you'd agree. Like I said before, it's decent. It's not anything worth an Oscar but it's gets a marginal thumbs up from me.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with my tastes or opinions. Clearly, you don't either.

I just wish everyone on this board was that mature.

I'm not making any personal attacks. BigNick thinks he's the only person who recognizes innuendos. He wants to use them, but when someone responds to them, he wants to act like he doesn't know what you're talking about.

This isn't the first movie bignick said was bad that HE HAS NEVER SEEN. They're usually the quote unquote "black movies" that he says is bad writing. But he has NEVER SEEN THEM. He has shown a trend and pattern of prejudging "black movies". It's not because we don't agree with his opinion of the movie, it's because he says they're bad AND HE HASN'T EVEN SEEN THEM.

It comes as no surprise the insult he tries to use on this message board is to call someone a "dumb motherfucker". He wants to prove to himself that he's smarter than all the other black people. "smart" enough to know black movies are bad and have bad writing without even seeing the movie. Are you so ahsamed of being black that you think it makes you smarter to prejudicially slam a black movie? I really do feel for you bruh. Self hate will destroy you from the inside.

If you make it such a point to join in and slam every black movie that you HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN, why don't you ever just check the movie out? I mean, i'm sure you've seen some white movies that you suspected to be bad, but you took a chance on anyway, right? Why so much fire against the black movies? If cats say the movie was good and touching, why not at least keep an open mind without being prejudgemental AGAINST it? At the very least, if you know you haven't seen it, can't you just SAY NOTHING about the movie?

Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

>I'm not making any personal attacks.

A direct quote from your earlier reply:

"BigNick, you should stop hating yourself. I feel so sorry for you.

If white critics say its good, then he'll love it. Well, here's a surprise dude. A lot of black folks ain't ashamed of being black, and we ain't ashamed of going to see a black movie without prejudice. Our minds are open, unlike yours."

That's why I called you a dumb motherfucker. Because anyone making personal attacks like that because someone doesn't like what they like is exactly that. A dumb motherfucker.

I'll say it again since you don't seem to be getting it. Based on the play that I saw and the clips of his movies I've seen, I think it's safe to say that I can tell what kind of a writer he is.

The fact that the same weaknesses I've pointed out are addressed in almost every review of the movie bears that out.

I'm not ashamed of going to see a black movie. I just have no interest in going to see a movie that looks awful.

Bignick,

Really man, it's not because you don't like what someone else likes. We KNOW black people aren't monolithic, it comes as no surprise to us if you don't like something we make.

We're all kinds of people, with all kinds of tastes and interests. So, stop it with the "i'm being attacked because I'm black but I don't like black movies" rhetoric. Stop playing that card.

If you're frustrated that you experience a lot of racist people who assume you'll like a movie JUST because its black, then get at them, but you don't have to shit on the movie to prove this. When you do this, you SHIT on the movie JUST because you're black. That's just as bad, if not worse. Because we need more films like Daddy's Little Girls, but when people prejudge it without merit, then YOU miss out, and the numbers may be affected, which may make US miss out if they stop making good meaningful black movies for financial reasons.

Right now, I'm gonna try not to come back at your little kiddie insults of who's a dumb motherfucker. What I think you really need is to open your mind and love who you are. We really are a beautiful people, and you can always come home, brother.

Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

Although it wasn't realistic that bruh got off for assault at the
end, but I am glad the community only snitched on the trouble
makers and not the do gooders.

Peace.

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