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"oh fuck you Lost producers. fuck you right in the ass (swipe)"
Wed Jan-31-07 11:41 PM by Rjcc

          

they really don't get it and the show is going to completely go in the tank for it.

""All the questions we get asked are about the mythology," Cuse says. "But when we sit down and we work on the stories, we're primarily spending most of our time talking about these characters and how they interact. And I think that if the characters became focused on the mythology, a lot of people would drop out. I think there's a much larger audience that's much more interested in who is Kate going to choose than the details about who Alvar Hanso is.""

this is what they think about you lost-watcher, repeated for emphasis: "I think there's a much larger audience that's much more interested in who is Kate going to choose than the details about who Alvar Hanso is."

http://www.ctnow.com/tv/hce-lost.artjan30,0,1840481.story?coll=hce-headlines-ent-features

Is 'Lost' Losing Its Way?
Creators Struggle With How To Keep Fan Interest In Serial With Complicated Story Line
January 30, 2007
By ROGER CATLIN, The Hartford Courant

As the TV drama "Lost" readies its midseason comeback next week, it faces challenges as formidable as polar bears, smoke monsters and other mysteries of the island where Oceanic Flight 815 crashed two seasons ago.

Once the buzz show on TV, the expensive serial fell to No. 2 in its time slot behind "Criminal Minds" during the first six episodes of a season when what was once a sprawling ensemble piece became trapped with the fortunes of three characters, just as the trio was imprisoned in the Others' makeshift jail.

The "Lost" influence brought a number of serialized mysteries to network TV - many now canceled, including the one designed to fill the spot for "Lost" during its hiatus, "Daybreak."

Now, as "Lost" prepares for the season's final 16 episodes, it has been bumped an hour to 10 p.m. to avoid something that has never before frightened it - "American Idol."

Amid all these shifts, there may be a fear among core fans, and viewers slowly dropping away, that "Lost" may itself be lost.

"There is a natural attrition due to the fact that this show requires sort of vigilant maintenance," executive producer Carlton Cuse, during a session at the TV critics press tour earlier this month in Pasadena, Calif., said of the 14 percent drop in the show's audience.

"There are people who fall away because it does require you to really keep up on the episodes. It's a complicated show. It's hard to drop in and out."

It may be more difficult to drop into "Lost" than it is, say, "24," says another executive producer, Damon Lindelof, because that saga at least resets its story every season. "Lost" just builds on its single mystery.

But, he says, "We as writers are constantly trying to make it easier for audiences who have left to come back in by writing exposition into the show."

That said, he promises that "this next burst of episodes, once the season premiere sort of resolves the escape story, is in many ways a return to Season 1, with "more character-centric storytelling that is not as mythologically driven until we pick up the next story line."

And characters, they say, is what the show has always been about - not the mystery or the mythology of the strange island.

"From the beginning," says executive producer Jack Bender, "the show has always been much more about the monster inside our characters than the monster outside our character."

"All the questions we get asked are about the mythology," Cuse says. "But when we sit down and we work on the stories, we're primarily spending most of our time talking about these characters and how they interact. And I think that if the characters became focused on the mythology, a lot of people would drop out. I think there's a much larger audience that's much more interested in who is Kate going to choose than the details about who Alvar Hanso is."

It's something show co-creator J.J. Abrams had learned from his previous show, "Alias."

"He specifically said, `Don't make the mistake of having the characters talk about Rambaldi all the ...time.'" says Lindelof, referring to the ongoing mystery of "Alias."

Therefore, "we approach every episode as: This is a Jack episode: We're going to explain a little more why the guy needs to fix things all the time and let the island story support that obsession," he says. "Unfortunately, the side effect of that is that the audience doesn't feel they're getting answers to mysteries in the time allotted."

Deciding how many answers to put in each episode isn't part of the recipe, Lindelof says:

"We start from saying, `This is a Sawyer episode' or `This is a Sun and Jin episode, and this is the flashback story we want to tell. Now, what's happening on the island that will emotionally sort of activate the telling of this story?'

"And then we say, `Is that a story in the context of which we can answer or advance, like, a mythological question?' So some mythological questions are expressly character-related, like `What is it that Kate did?' or `How did Locke get in a wheelchair?' or `How did Jack get his tattoos and why?'

"Those answers are not satisfying to the audience that is on the message boards. They want to know what the monster is, what the island is and where The Others come from."

But those can't be told all at once, he says. And it isn't part of the plan for this season.

"Coming into season three, our mission was: We're going to answer the question in these first six episodes of why the Others have kidnapped Kate, Jack and Sawyer," says Lindelof.

"Then, obviously, the next level is: Who are these people? Why have they been taking kids? Why were they abducting people? How long have they been on the island? Why were they having book clubs? Who is Ben in relation to Juliet?"

And in the return episode Feb. 7, "we answer a very significant mystery about Juliet, at least in terms of how she came to the island and why. And that begins to posit sort of new questions, some of which will be answered by the end of the season and some of which won't."

Not that they're being coy, Cuse says. But because you really don't want to know everything right away. "If we started really giving answers about what is the nature of this island, what is the sort of innate underlying meaning of the numbers - those things are sort of series-ending questions. I think once the mythology of those is made explicit, I think the mystery goes out of the show."

Those complaining about the current season, says Cuse, are doing so with a very narrow focus.

"There's a distorted sense of the season in its totality because we only showed six episodes," he says. "If we only showed you the first six episodes of last year, you'd probably be saying, has the show just become about the tail section people. Those characters are basically now all dead."

By the end of last season, though, Cuse says, "we feel like we covered everyone's story" and "the same will be true when you see the entire third season in its totality."

The producers are often asked if they had planned every second of "Lost" so they'd know they'd be where they are now and, more important, where it will end.

But Lindelof says, "without rehashing the ugly story, `Lost' came together very, very quickly. During that period of time it was all we could do to write the outline, write the pilot, put the cast together and begin to have preliminary conversations about: What is this island? Who are these people? If Kate's in handcuffs, we need to know what Kate did. If Locke has a secret, we need to know what that secret is. If we show a polar bear, we need to know where the polar bear came from."

The obvious concentration this season is on the Others - the group whose existence was first hinted in the seventh episode, Lindelof says, "when they first realized this guy Ethan was not on the plane with them."

That may be a long gap, he allows.

"Basically, the audience had to wait through essentially 35 more hours of the show to see the scene where Ethan is initially dispatched. So how we told the story and in what order we tell the story is not something that is specifically planned out from the pilot on."

There is more planning now, Lindelof says, but, he adds, "To say we know everything we're going to do in advance would be completely disingenuous and probably stupid as a writer/producer because you have to be able to adapt to sort of the changing currents."

One way to really give the narrative shape, Cuse says, is by setting an end point for the series - a notion at the press tour that sent shock waves to fans.

"I think that once we do that, a lot of the anxiety and a lot of these questions like, `We're not getting answers,' a lot of those will go away," says Cuse.

Such concerns, he says, "represent an underlying anxiety that this is not going to end well or that we don't know what we're doing."

Among TV shows, Cuse cites "The X-Files" as "a cautionary tale for us in that it was a great show that probably ran two seasons too long."

Likewise, he says, "Lost" is a show that has what he calls "a short half-life."

"`Lost' has broken a lot of rules of television in its run," Cuse says. "It's set a standard for the way shows that could be made that were different large, sprawling cast complicated, complex storytelling.

"I think that actually being able to determine an end point and an ending for the show on our own terms would, I think, be actually the appropriate and right finish for this as an experience."



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I can't wait for Zootown to cosign the writers
Feb 01st 2007
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the thing is, I don't disagree with this part:
Feb 01st 2007
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Dropping my name doesn't make what they say any less valid
Feb 01st 2007
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You two are cute and all, but here's what you should have swiped
Feb 01st 2007
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bitch fuck your "we've been telling you from jump"
Feb 01st 2007
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      Wow, you're really mad.
Feb 01st 2007
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           lol
Feb 01st 2007
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                RE: lol
Feb 01st 2007
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                     lol @ you saying I should find something to do
Feb 01st 2007
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                          Ho-kay, Rejjy!!!!!!
Feb 01st 2007
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                          nope, too busy waiting for shitty TV shows to come back on
Feb 01st 2007
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                               For the life of me, I still can't figure out why motherfuckers like you
Feb 01st 2007
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                                    You enjoy watching hour upon hour of
Feb 01st 2007
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                          lmao
Feb 01st 2007
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                               But it doesn't make "watch something else" less valid
Feb 01st 2007
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                                    no because they created an excellent groundword for a tv show
Feb 01st 2007
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                                    Oh, for the love of Rod Serling...
Feb 01st 2007
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                                    if the show were only character driven, I'd be the happiest viewer
Feb 01st 2007
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                                    I'm concerned about you being a liar
Feb 01st 2007
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                                         Right, Rejjy, I'm a "liar." I guess I... Lost.
Feb 01st 2007
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                                              how am I overly concerned?
Feb 01st 2007
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                                                   This is the dumbest shit I've heard yet.
Feb 01st 2007
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                                                        huh? who said I hope the show fails?
Feb 01st 2007
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"i wanted to know what that smoke was...it's good" (c) former viewers
Feb 01st 2007
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This post went exactly as I had hoped.
Feb 01st 2007
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^^^ The "Puppet Master"
Feb 01st 2007
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yup! lol
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1. "I can't wait for Zootown to cosign the writers"
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I'm getting tingly.


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2. "the thing is, I don't disagree with this part:"
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"That said, he promises that "this next burst of episodes, once the season premiere sort of resolves the escape story, is in many ways a return to Season 1, with "more character-centric storytelling that is not as mythologically driven until we pick up the next story line."

And characters, they say, is what the show has always been about - not the mystery or the mythology of the strange island."


but 6 FUCKING EPISODES ABOUT WHO KATE IS FUCKING ARE UNNECESSARY



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4. "Dropping my name doesn't make what they say any less valid"
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Thu Feb-01-07 12:59 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

It's actually a bad look

And you both know that there are other TV options on Wednesday nights at 10, right?
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3. "You two are cute and all, but here's what you should have swiped"
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Thu Feb-01-07 12:57 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

ie, the stuff most of us have been telling most of you from jump:

>Deciding how many answers to put in each episode isn't part of the recipe, Lindelof says:

"We start from saying, `This is a Sawyer episode' or `This is a Sun and Jin episode, and this is the flashback story we want to tell. Now, what's happening on the island that will emotionally sort of activate the telling of this story?'

"And then we say, `Is that a story in the context of which we can answer or advance, like, a mythological question?' So some mythological questions are expressly character-related, like `What is it that Kate did?' or `How did Locke get in a wheelchair?' or `How did Jack get his tattoos and why?'

"Those answers are not satisfying to the audience that is on the message boards. They want to know what the monster is, what the island is and where The Others come from."

But those can't be told all at once, he says. And it isn't part of the plan for this season.


>And in the return episode Feb. 7, "we answer a very significant mystery about Juliet, at least in terms of how she came to the island and why. And that begins to posit sort of new questions, some of which will be answered by the end of the season and some of which won't."

Not that they're being coy, Cuse says. But because you really don't want to know everything right away. "If we started really giving answers about what is the nature of this island, what is the sort of innate underlying meaning of the numbers - those things are sort of series-ending questions. I think once the mythology of those is made explicit, I think the mystery goes out of the show."


>The producers are often asked if they had planned every second of "Lost" so they'd know they'd be where they are now and, more important, where it will end.

But Lindelof says, "without rehashing the ugly story, `Lost' came together very, very quickly. During that period of time it was all we could do to write the outline, write the pilot, put the cast together and begin to have preliminary conversations about: What is this island? Who are these people?

The obvious concentration this season is on the Others - the group whose existence was first hinted in the seventh episode, Lindelof says, "when they first realized this guy Ethan was not on the plane with them."


>"To say we know everything we're going to do in advance would be completely disingenuous and probably stupid as a writer/producer because you have to be able to adapt to sort of the changing currents."

One way to really give the narrative shape, Cuse says, is by setting an end point for the series...

"I think that once we do that, a lot of the anxiety and a lot of these questions like, `We're not getting answers,' a lot of those will go away," says Cuse.

Such concerns, he says, "represent an underlying anxiety that this is not going to end well or that we don't know what we're doing."

Among TV shows, Cuse cites "The X-Files" as "a cautionary tale for us in that it was a great show that probably ran two seasons too long."

"`Lost' has broken a lot of rules of television in its run," Cuse says. "It's set a standard for the way shows that could be made that were different large, sprawling cast complicated, complex storytelling.
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5. "bitch fuck your "we've been telling you from jump""
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:02 AM by Rjcc

          

whoa. you told me that they dedicate particular episodes to particular characters?

fuck you.

you told me that the writers don't give a shit about the island and only want to talk about who kate is fucking?

fuck you.

this shit isn't entertaining, no matter how many pleas you cop.


oh, and lol at your quoting the producers admitting they don't really know what they're going to do ahead of time, when you've been continuously preaching that they do in fact, have a plan.


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6. "Wow, you're really mad."
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Sounds like someone needs to find other entertainment options on Wednesday nights. Isn't there a new X-Box game you can post about somewhere?
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7. "lol"
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millions of people are finding other things to do on wednesday nights.


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8. "RE: lol"
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:13 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

>millions of people are finding other things to do on
>wednesday nights.

And you should join them.


Oh, and about your other little point, we've discussed this already:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=245347&mesg_id=245347

Wait! Before anyone else jumps in, no, this doesn't "prove my point" -- or make anyone's "points" less valid -- it just proves that this has been discussed before. Which is what I said.
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9. "lol @ you saying I should find something to do"
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when the show hasn't been on for months

you should be busy planning your plea coppage exit strategy for the shitty finale they hastily plan two years from now.

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10. "Ho-kay, Rejjy!!!!!!"
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Have you played those Burger King X-Box games yet? I hear they're pretty dope...
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11. "nope, too busy waiting for shitty TV shows to come back on"
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12. "For the life of me, I still can't figure out why motherfuckers like you"
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:27 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

stay bitching about (and watching) shows you don't like -- and worrying about what other niggas watch. It's like you take gay masochism to new levels, b. For real. No homo.

Oh, and since we want to talk about what cats have said before, thanks for reminding everyone that half of 22 is 6.
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19. "You enjoy watching hour upon hour of"
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"whose dick is kate on today?"


don't worry man. obviously, it means you're a part of the majority.



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16. "lmao"
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>you should be busy planning your plea coppage exit strategy
>for the shitty finale they hastily plan two years from now.

yeah, i dont understand how anyone can defend the writers after reading this and then revert back to the only excuse of 'so watch something else'.

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18. "But it doesn't make "watch something else" less valid"
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:55 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

Seems to me it's an easy equation... you don't like the show, or what the writers say about it, then why continue wasting your time watching it? If you're not buying what the writers are selling, why bother continuing on? Instead of crying like a bitch about it, or trying to "expose" or attack yours truly, find something else to do. Like why are motherfuckers mad and concerned about what the fuck I'm watching? Simple.
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20. "no because they created an excellent groundword for a tv show"
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and are completely fucking it up by believing their viewers care more about Kate's love triangle than the island mysteries. Honestly, do you think thats true?

And proof that its bullshit is season 3. They claim they will lose viewers if they focus on 'mythologies' of the island so they will focus on character development. well fast forward six episodes deep into season 3 and people are giving up because they dont focus on the 'mythologies'.

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>and are completely fucking it up by believing their viewers
>care more about Kate's love triangle than the island
>mysteries. Honestly, do you think thats true?

I don't know if it's true or not. And as long as I remain entertained by the show, I don't care. The moment I become not entertained, then I won't continue watching. It's really not that hard. I won't come on the message boards and cry about it like a bitch (and that's generally speaking, not aimed at anyone in particular). I won't come on the boards and bemoan how the show had so much potential for greatness and they blew it, waah waah waah. And just so we're all clear here, everybody certainly has the right to do so.


>And proof that its bullshit is season 3. They claim they will
>lose viewers if they focus on 'mythologies' of the island so
>they will focus on character development. well fast forward
>six episodes deep into season 3 and people are giving up
>because they dont focus on the 'mythologies'.

Okay, so those people can stop watching. It honestly doesn't get much fucking simpler than that. People across America have done it to the tune of a 14 percent drop in the ratings, according to the article. Why can't other cats do that as well? I believe some motherfuckers just want to yell and bitch and moan for the attention.
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23. "if the show were only character driven, I'd be the happiest viewer"
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the problem is its driven by the absolutely least interesting characters. If they had come out and said "season three is just going to be several episodes of the o.c. re-edited w/ random footage of a smoke monster" then no one would be able to complain.


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21. "I'm concerned about you being a liar"
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I don't give a fuck what you watch, but lying about whats going on is just unseemly.


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24. "Right, Rejjy, I'm a "liar." I guess I... Lost."
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Thu Feb-01-07 02:06 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

I'm a "liar," you're still a overly-concerned bitch, nothing's changed, apparently.
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Rjcc
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25. "how am I overly concerned?"
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I'm watching what (according to zootown) is a very entertaining TV show

well actually I'm not, it hasn't been on since the fall, but thats neither here nor there.

the fact is the show is losing steam, and the producers are fabulously out of touch as to why. worse, they have an entire audience they've carefully cultivated that is interested in telling how not to fuck it up, and they're actively ignoring said audience. It's the best flameout in history and why you would ask me to avert my eyes as it occurs befuddles me.


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ZooTown74
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26. "This is the dumbest shit I've heard yet."
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Thu Feb-01-07 02:15 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

>I'm watching what (according to zootown) is a very
>entertaining TV show

And it really concerns you that I'm still watching (or, watching when it's on). Bitchmade.


>well actually I'm not, it hasn't been on since the fall, but
>thats neither here nor there.

Right, so you bring it up anyway. Once again, overly-concerned. And bitchmade.


>the fact is the show is losing steam, and the producers are
>fabulously out of touch as to why. worse, they have an entire
>audience they've carefully cultivated that is interested in
>telling how not to fuck it up, and they're actively ignoring
>said audience. It's the best flameout in history and why you
>would ask me to avert my eyes as it occurs befuddles me.

So, essentially what you're saying is, they're not doing what you want them to do, so as a result, you're hoping the show fails. You're actually wasting time and energy hoping that the show "flames out" because, hey, they wasted your time, it's only payback.

FOH.
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27. "huh? who said I hope the show fails?"
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see, there's that lying again. and if its bitchmade to believe that zootown is a man among men and has an irrefutable reputation for knowing what is good tv, well then, I'll be that bitch.


I don't hope the show fails, I'd like for it to not suck, you know ,like it did before when every week I was like "hey, this tv show is awesome and interesting and entertaining". but now that it does suck I'm really enjoying watching it delve further into suckitude.

I'm easy to please.



(actually, all of the above is a lie, I watch only because of my man crush on daniel dae kim. sexxxxxxy.)


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13. ""i wanted to know what that smoke was...it's good" (c) former viewers"
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14. "This post went exactly as I had hoped."
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Thank you all for playing.


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15. "^^^ The "Puppet Master""
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Not really.
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17. "yup! lol"
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