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not so fast buddy
Mar 13th 2006
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really been looking forward to this...thanks for the link
Mar 13th 2006
2
bump
Mar 13th 2006
3
it's interesting to me...
Mar 13th 2006
4
I don't think she has a huge role...
Mar 13th 2006
5
none of the clips are funny
Mar 13th 2006
6
Premeries tonight, ima watch but,,,,,,
Jun 11th 2006
7
Some things are new, some are old, few are status quo.
Jun 11th 2006
8
      Ok i got ya
Jun 11th 2006
9
Greatest line ever in a sitcom SPOILER
Jun 11th 2006
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RE: Greatest line ever in a sitcom SPOILER
Jun 11th 2006
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      OR...
Jun 11th 2006
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           Yeah, here's the winner:
Jun 11th 2006
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           They did play the cuss card a lot
Jun 11th 2006
14
           I have faith
Jun 11th 2006
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           RE: OR...
Jun 11th 2006
18
           that was a CLASSIC line. my wife died laffin...
Jun 12th 2006
26
           ^^^winner. i liked it, i'd watch again
Jun 12th 2006
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some funny moments but...
Jun 11th 2006
15
They're all comedians... they can't act
Jun 11th 2006
17
"the writing is good"
Jun 12th 2006
20
      pssst. guess who wrote the pilot.
Jun 14th 2006
44
remember it's a sitcom pilot...
Jun 11th 2006
19
no, "acting" has skewed our perception of comedic timing..
Jun 15th 2006
45
      this is a gross oversimplification.
Jun 15th 2006
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           you chose to focus on the insignificant part of my post
Jun 15th 2006
53
                you are going horribly, horribly wrong.
Jun 15th 2006
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                     for some reason, you just aren't getting what I am saying
Jun 15th 2006
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                          i get what you're saying. it just doesn't make sense.
Jun 15th 2006
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                               In the words of the wisest TV news anchor of the 70's
Jun 15th 2006
58
                                    Except that Nick is 100% right.
Jun 16th 2006
63
                                         actually, you seem to be saying I am 100 % right..
Jun 16th 2006
65
                                              no, you're definitely wrong.
Jun 16th 2006
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                                                   Nick you won this debate three posts ago, stop trying
Jun 16th 2006
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well...I laughed more during this than Entourage
Jun 12th 2006
21
please, Entourage smashed this pilot, your expectations for
Jun 16th 2006
73
I liked it
Jun 12th 2006
22
Really?? I thought the "why" question has been done so much
Jun 12th 2006
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      At first I thought the same thing
Jun 12th 2006
30
      because God is dead and we're alone.
Jun 12th 2006
36
      I guess i need to watch it again
Jun 12th 2006
37
      Well, the American economy shifted from manufacturing..
Jun 15th 2006
46
i liked it plenty
Jun 12th 2006
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RE: i liked it plenty
Jun 12th 2006
24
      The supermarket scene...
Jun 12th 2006
31
i liked it. i liked it alot.
Jun 12th 2006
25
I agree with you on the acting...
Jun 12th 2006
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      yeah, i just think it was a bad call.
Jun 12th 2006
35
I didn't care for it
Jun 12th 2006
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I'm with you
Jun 14th 2006
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      RE: I'm with you
Jun 14th 2006
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           RE: I'm with you
Jun 14th 2006
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                Yeah it was
Jun 14th 2006
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                     right. cause audiences usually take sitcoms characters seriously.
Jun 14th 2006
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                          serious enough to kind of see them as real people sometimes
Jun 15th 2006
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                               no.
Jun 15th 2006
49
                               that's cause you cherry-picked those characters, my friend
Jun 15th 2006
59
                                    i could have named two dozen.
Jun 15th 2006
60
                                         You never saw the Fresh Prince with Will's deadbeat dad?
Jun 15th 2006
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                                              if that's all you've got. we're done here.
Jun 16th 2006
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                                              This dude's whole argument...
Jun 16th 2006
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                                                   Smell ya' later!
Jun 16th 2006
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                               Yeah...
Jun 15th 2006
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Wasn't Blown away
Jun 12th 2006
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Pleasantly surprised
Jun 12th 2006
34
I'll punch my Mother, I'll punch her right in the face.
Jun 12th 2006
38
Has anyone said anything to the contrary? Cause those people are dumb
Jun 15th 2006
51
      RE: Has anyone said anything to the contrary? Cause those people are du...
Jun 15th 2006
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      She looks like Rachel Dratch if she was slightly attractive
Jun 15th 2006
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I've only seen the pilot, BUT...
Jun 15th 2006
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Informed comments...
Jun 16th 2006
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you got that impression?
Jun 16th 2006
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      I think you're completely off-base.
Jun 16th 2006
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           alright
Jun 16th 2006
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bignick
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1. "not so fast buddy"
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2. "really been looking forward to this...thanks for the link"
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3. "bump"
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4. "it's interesting to me..."
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that the traditional family sitcom hasn't been "dead" for all that long, but it already feels weird to hear that studio audience laughter.

Anyway, this looks good, and it probably will be. Personally I've never had a problem with the family sitcom formula. It all just depends on the talent. And this one has boatloads.

I'm a little worried about the actress who went to Catholic School and didn't want her mom coming to a taping.

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5. "I don't think she has a huge role..."
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And I'm sure she's just an actress, anyway, not really part of the creative team.

As I understand it, Jerry Minor was written into the pilot just because he's so funny, and he's pals with Louie, but he was so great, they gave him a recurring role.

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6. "none of the clips are funny"
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that's a little distressing.

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7. "Premeries tonight, ima watch but,,,,,,"
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what the fuck are they doin thats so different and groundbreaking???

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8. "Some things are new, some are old, few are status quo."
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Of course, there's some sex and swearing. That's totally new in a family sitcom.

There's real pain dissension and disagreements, which is rarely seen in sitcoms. All in the Family and The Honeymooners being two good examples of exceptions.

There's negativity towards the kid. That's pretty new.

They're broke, that hasn't been on TV in sitcoms for years.

In other ways, it's a traditional sitcom.

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9. "Ok i got ya"
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has been pretty unfunny so far.

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10. "Greatest line ever in a sitcom SPOILER"
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11. "RE: Greatest line ever in a sitcom SPOILER"
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or...............







i got a hand job in a parlor a couple weeks ago.
Jim Norton is fuckin funny.

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12. "OR..."
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I'm sorry, but my dick is too aware that your pussy is a chamber of financial ruin.

Or

I need $3,000 in an interest bearing account to get fully hard.

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13. "Yeah, here's the winner:"
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>I'm sorry, but my dick is too aware that your pussy is a
>chamber of financial ruin.

I just hope the show's still funny once the "Ooo, they CUSSIN' in the multi-cam sitcom format" novelty wears off...
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14. "They did play the cuss card a lot"
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But I thought the show did get better towards the end.

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16. "I have faith"
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This was a great pilot and I think they have a lot of stuff to work with. It reminds me of Roseanne but with cursing.

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18. "RE: OR..."
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>I'm sorry, but my dick is too aware that your pussy is a
>chamber of financial ruin.
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>Or
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>I need $3,000 in an interest bearing account to get fully
>hard.
that scene had me on the floor.

  

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26. "that was a CLASSIC line. my wife died laffin..."
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>I'm sorry, but my dick is too aware that your pussy is a
>chamber of financial ruin.

<----- The reason your team's players jump into the stands after a TD

  

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33. "^^^winner. i liked it, i'd watch again"
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>I'm sorry, but my dick is too aware that your pussy is a
>chamber of financial ruin.

  

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15. "some funny moments but..."
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the acting sucks...

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17. "They're all comedians... they can't act"
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but the writing is good and they have good timing. What else are you gonna watch on a Sunday night after Entourage?

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20. ""the writing is good""
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almost all of the funny lines were recycled CK stand-up material

  

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44. "pssst. guess who wrote the pilot."
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19. "remember it's a sitcom pilot..."
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these things take time to ripen.

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45. "no, "acting" has skewed our perception of comedic timing.."
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Comedians have timing..comedians are funny...Actors regurgitate lines when they are told to

  

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48. "this is a gross oversimplification."
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>Comedians have timing..comedians are funny...Actors
>regurgitate lines when they are told to

remember, Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Jason Alexander, Jeffrey Tambor, Rip Torn, Peter Boyle, etc...all actors, not comedians.

i think we can all agree they did a little bit more than "regurgitate lines."

  

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53. "you chose to focus on the insignificant part of my post"
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you have to agree with me that "acting" has grossly skewed the viewing audiences expectations and realities when it comes to comedic timing...Jim Norton's timing would make anything JLD said 10X funnier...I'm not saying that actors aren't funny, I'm saying that their timing is not as good for the most part.. I don't know what would cause you to assume that I believe that not one actor has good timing?That's your gross oversimplification, not mine.. Jeffrey Tamboer is a genius, Jason Alexander is a genius..but that doesnt change the fact that 90 percent of people who are in sitcoms or comedy movies simply do not have the true timing to pull it off..But because that's what is shoved down our throats, we assume that *thats* timing

  

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55. "you are going horribly, horribly wrong."
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>you have to agree with me that "acting" has grossly skewed
>the viewing audiences expectations and realities when it comes
>to comedic timing...

no, it hasn't. what you are forgetting is that there is such a thing as comedic acting. just because you aren't a stand up comic, doesn't mean you can't act funny.

>Jim Norton's timing would make anything
>JLD said 10X funnier...

God no. she was pitch perfect on that show. i'm loathe to believe that someone would be able to improve on what she did just because they did stand up.

>I'm not saying that actors aren't
>funny, I'm saying that their timing is not as good for the
>most part..

the entire casts of Mary Tyler Moore, All In The Family, Cheers, etc laughs at insanity in this statement.

>but that doesnt change the fact
>that 90 percent of people who are in sitcoms or comedy movies
>simply do not have the true timing to pull it off..

and 90 percent of the really good stand up comics that have had their own sitcoms have sucked at it. that's because being a funny comic and being a good comedic actor are not mutually inclusive.

  

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56. "for some reason, you just aren't getting what I am saying"
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>
>no, it hasn't. what you are forgetting is that there is such a
>thing as comedic acting. just because you aren't a stand up
>comic, doesn't mean you can't act funny.

I'm well aware of a thing called comedic acting...and I am also well aware of when it is not done successfully.And just because you are a stand up comic, that doesnt make you anymore qualified to speak on it



>the entire casts of Mary Tyler Moore, All In The Family,
>Cheers, etc laughs at insanity in this statement.

Uh huh...and so aren't my grandparents and the rest of the people who watched those shows 30 years ago..I'm talking about today..modern trends

>
>and 90 percent of the really good stand up comics that have
>had their own sitcoms have sucked at it. that's because being
>a funny comic and being a good comedic actor are not mutually
>inclusive.

I didnt say it was mutually inclusive...SO much assuming going on here
its because of my original point...everything has been skewed

  

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57. "i get what you're saying. it just doesn't make sense."
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>I'm well aware of a thing called comedic acting...and I am
>also well aware of when it is not done successfully.

the point is that it has been done unsuccessfully by just as many people who are talented stand up comics.

>And just
>because you are a stand up comic, that doesnt make you anymore
>qualified to speak on it

i never said it did.

>>the entire casts of Mary Tyler Moore, All In The Family,
>>Cheers, etc laughs at insanity in this statement.
>
>Uh huh...and so aren't my grandparents and the rest of the
>people who watched those shows 30 years ago..I'm talking about
>today..modern trends

ok, let's look at the casts of some recent successful shows:

Arrested Development: 1 stand up comic.
Entourage: 0 stand up comics
The Office: 1 stand up comics in the main cast. 2 others in supporting roles.
My Name is Earl: 0 stand up comics
Scrubs: 0 stand up comics
Will & Grace: 0 stand up comics
Malcolm in the Middle: 0 stand up comics
Desperate Housewives: 0 stand up comics
Everybody Hates Chris: 0 stand up comics
Two and a Half Men: 0 stand up comics
Weeds: 1 stand up comic

it's not about being a comic. it's about being a good comic actor.

  

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58. "In the words of the wisest TV news anchor of the 70's"
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I guess we will just have to " agree to disagree"

haha

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63. "Except that Nick is 100% right."
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Being a standup and being a comic actor are two very different things. They also call for very different timing.

Actually, I think Jim Norton (whose standup isn't my thing, but I can see why people like it) is a great example. He hit the first half of his big line in the pilot, got a big laugh, and then the second half got all screwy. His timing was off, in other words.

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65. "actually, you seem to be saying I am 100 % right.."
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considering I was the one who said that there were two different timings involved
so, thanks for that

  

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67. "no, you're definitely wrong."
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if this is all you think actors do:

"Comedians have timing..comedians are funny...Actors regurgitate lines when they are told to"

  

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72. "Nick you won this debate three posts ago, stop trying"
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>if this is all you think actors do:
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>"Comedians have timing..comedians are funny...Actors
>regurgitate lines when they are told to"
>
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21. "well...I laughed more during this than Entourage"
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...but it was the pilot, let's see if he can keep it up for a whole season

  

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73. "please, Entourage smashed this pilot, your expectations for"
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both were just different.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

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22. "I liked it"
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Thought the opening scene with the dad and daughter was one of the highlights. There's potential, and it'll get alot more looks thanks to its slot.

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29. "Really?? I thought the "why" question has been done so much"
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>Thought the opening scene with the dad and daughter was one
>of the highlights.

I just didnt care for it but i do think it got better.

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30. "At first I thought the same thing"
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Like, "how long are they gonna drag this out"?? But I thought as it wore on, it actually got funnier, as his answers went more and more into detail. How he was always stoned in high school, how the economy works etc etc.

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36. "because God is dead and we're alone."
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37. "I guess i need to watch it again"
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cuz that part just had me tuned out a little i guess. once it kept going i musta made up my mind that i wasnt gonna laugh at the exchange.

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46. "Well, the American economy shifted from manufacturing.."
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to a service based blah blah blah..." This said to a 4 year old made me lose it

  

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23. "i liked it plenty"
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_
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24. "RE: i liked it plenty"
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I was very impressed. Only scene that fell flat for me was the supermarket scene. It was a weak rehash of the "I'll have what she's having" sequence from When Harry Met Sally.

I thought all the stuff with him and Minor was comic gold. If the show lasts, I wouldn't be suprised if it becomes more of a focal point.

  

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31. "The supermarket scene..."
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I thought the scene was lame on the whole, but I loved the joke at the end, and the tag on the joke.

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25. "i liked it. i liked it alot."
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the acting still needs work. the set is AWFUL. but there was some very funny shit in that pilot.

  

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32. "I agree with you on the acting..."
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I think/hope it'll get a bit more lived-in with a few more episodes under their belt.

What makes you say the set was awful? It seems to have been a very conscious choice, did you disagree with it?

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35. "yeah, i just think it was a bad call."
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>What makes you say the set was awful? It seems to have been a
>very conscious choice, did you disagree with it?

i know they want them to look working class, but their shit looks like some homeless people might be squatting there. and then Jerry Minor and his family are all well-dressed and middle class looking. doesn't make sense.

  

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27. "I didn't care for it"
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"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

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39. "I'm with you"
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This is just Married with Children slightly updated and with cussing. I'll watch it again to give it another try, but for the most part...

*THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD* *THUD*

  

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40. "RE: I'm with you"
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>This is just Married with Children slightly updated and with
>cussing.

if you don't like it, i'm not going to try and convince you, but...two things.

1. this was NOTHING like Married with Children.
2. this was much better written than any episode of Married with Childred ever was.

  

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41. "RE: I'm with you"
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>>This is just Married with Children slightly updated and
>with
>>cussing.
>
>if you don't like it, i'm not going to try and convince you,
>but...two things.
>
>1. this was NOTHING like Married with Children.
>2. this was much better written than any episode of Married
>with Childred ever was.

Yeah, boy... it was far from perfect, but it's NOTHING like Married with Children. NOTHING.

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42. "Yeah it was"
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Cause the audience doesn't take these characters seriously, either.

  

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43. "right. cause audiences usually take sitcoms characters seriously."
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47. "serious enough to kind of see them as real people sometimes"
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I don't see that happening here. It seems like they're duping the audience. Even the sets seem disingenuous. They look like pee-wee's playhouse or something (with stupid stuff like dirty outlines where hung pictures were).

  

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49. "no."
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nobody ever thought of Jim from Taxi, or Kramer or anyone from Arrested Development as a real person.

honestly, this criticism doesn't even make sense.

  

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59. "that's cause you cherry-picked those characters, my friend"
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Don't bring up Arrested Development or Seinfeld. Those two messed up the sitcom forever, thankfully.

I've taken Roc (Charles S. Dutton), Archie Bunker, Alex P. Keaton, and even the Fresh Prince seriously. Granted that's because of very-special-episode stuff, but still.

You know when that little greasy broad (I'd fuck tho) on this show had a crying fit? I was waiting for the punchline. That's not good IMO.

  

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60. "i could have named two dozen."
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>Don't bring up Arrested Development or Seinfeld. Those two
>messed up the sitcom forever, thankfully.

those two shows didn't do anything to the sitcom forever.

>I've taken Roc (Charles S. Dutton), Archie Bunker, Alex P.
>Keaton, and even the Fresh Prince seriously. Granted that's
>because of very-special-episode stuff, but still.

if you ever took the Fresh Prince seriously, that's a seperate issue all together.

>You know when that little greasy broad (I'd fuck tho) on this
>show had a crying fit? I was waiting for the punchline.
>That's not good IMO.

you were waiting for the punchline because it's a sitcom. that means that eventually, there is ALWAYS a punchline.

  

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62. "You never saw the Fresh Prince with Will's deadbeat dad?"
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If not, go on somewhere.

  

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69. "if that's all you've got. we're done here."
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71. "This dude's whole argument..."
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is based on taking The Fresh Prince seriously.

I love it.

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74. "Smell ya' later!"
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50. "Yeah..."
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but Louie runs the show. And he really did work in a muffler shop for years. He didn't go to college. Etc etc etc.

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28. "Wasn't Blown away"
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The goal of an more true to life sitcom didn't really come off. The cursing seemed forced at times. It has potential though. I will continue to watch.
**********

Reality check: according to the 2000 census, there were more than 31,000 black physicians and surgeons, 33,000 black lawyers. There are about 1,400 black athletes playing professional basketball, football and baseball combined.

  

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34. "Pleasantly surprised"
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The commercials they were running weren't funny at all. I liked it a lot. Only downside for me was Jim Norton, who I find painfully unfunny.

I'll be tuning in next week for sure.

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38. "I'll punch my Mother, I'll punch her right in the face."
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there's plenty to be fixed, but for a pilot it was pretty good.

One problem, mentioned in an article a while back, is transitions. Without commercials they're going to have to figure something out...because it was really jerky last night. I remember Louie saying it was something they hadn't anticipated, so hopefully that'll get better as the show goes along.

Also, like somebody else said, the set and production values are so low it really hurts. I'm worried Louie may have gone a little too far off the deep end with this idea.

I don't care what you say, Louie's wife is fucking hot. That raspy voice spitting out dirty words, the sexy white trash t-shirt. Seeing her naked, now THAT would be a revolutionary step for the sit-com.

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51. "Has anyone said anything to the contrary? Cause those people are dumb"
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>I don't care what you say, Louie's wife is fucking hot. That
>raspy voice spitting out dirty words, the sexy white trash
>t-shirt. Seeing her naked, now THAT would be a revolutionary
>step for the sit-com.

And God yes, there needs to be some kind of nude scene.

  

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52. "RE: Has anyone said anything to the contrary? Cause those people are du..."
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>>I don't care what you say, Louie's wife is fucking hot.
>That
>>raspy voice spitting out dirty words, the sexy white trash
>>t-shirt. Seeing her naked, now THAT would be a
>revolutionary
>>step for the sit-com.
>
>And God yes, there needs to be some kind of nude scene.

Now whenever I hear Bobby Hill I'm gonna be thinking about that hot chick.

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54. "She looks like Rachel Dratch if she was slightly attractive"
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She's cute, but she aint all that...Which is good, cause Louis is an ugly dude, and wouldnt get someone any more attractive than that...But she has absolutely NO ass...this I have a problem with

  

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61. "I've only seen the pilot, BUT..."
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I can say it shows promise.

There were funny LINES in the show but the production values were a bit off.

1)When Louis was mumbling about "I'll clean anything if you suck my dick once in a while" it was definitely hard to hear. I understand he didn't want anyone on the show to hear it, but it seemed mic'd poorly.

2)The sets are Rosannish, BUT also "Newhart before they went to film"-ish too. Newhart on tape looked awful, and so did this pilot.

3)The establishing shot of the bar looked DV or less.

4)They should have blocked a shot DIRECTLY on Louis when he said "I'm going to fuck your tits off." The two shot from the side didn't work for me. Imagine Alex saying hat to Ellen on family ties, it's been a dead on shot of Michael J. Fox doing that thing with his eyes that he did so much.

Maybe I'm a film bigot, but sitcoms on film seem more 'real' to me because they don't look like real life.

As for the Married With Children comparisons I have to disagree. Al, Peg, Kelly and Bud seemed to genuinely not give a shit about one another through out most of the episodes but Louis friend's and family seemed to care about one another. More Rosasnne than MWC.

It's on my Tivo for next week .

  

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64. "Informed comments..."
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check out this interview with Louie on Fresh Air:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5487981

He talks about why he chose to shoot it on tape instead of film (first sitcom since Roseanne to do so). He feels it makes it feel more like an immediate theatrical experience. Cites Norman Lear demanding tape for All in the Family.

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66. "you got that impression?"
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The impression that they care about each other? I don't even think the writers intended that one. I think the show's just supposed to be misanthropic, which is why I brought up MOC. Rosanne didn't come across that way, but they were damn close.

Whatever though.

  

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68. "I think you're completely off-base."
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I think the whole whole whole point of the show is that they care about each other, very deeply. That's why they go through all that shit. The point of the show is that being a family is hard, and funny. The conflicts are both large and trivial. Not everyone always makes perfect moves or decisions.

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70. "alright"
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I can agree to disagree with this entire forum.

  

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