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"Chris Rock/Prince SNL - is there really outrage?"


  

          

I thought Chris' monologue was great, others not so much??

Few lowlights, the horrible married couple sketch that was just a mess from start to finish.

Then Prince had to plug in his guitar after he'd been playing for a while....

I just dont get the controversy.

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those two topics will always ruffle some feathers
Nov 03rd 2014
1
Monologue was outstanding
Nov 03rd 2014
2
Theyre sayin he did Boston Marathon jokes
Nov 03rd 2014
3
      That's dumb
Nov 03rd 2014
4
      It made me go check to see if hes goin on tour
Nov 03rd 2014
5
      It's fake outrage
Nov 03rd 2014
7
           Terrible joke to make in NYC the day before the NYC Marathon
Nov 03rd 2014
13
                Nah, it was timely and funny,
Nov 03rd 2014
15
                FYI, this shit right here is officially over.
Nov 04th 2014
18
                     You made my point, you don't even know what I am talking about.
Nov 04th 2014
30
                          What Boston marathon joke did he make?
Nov 04th 2014
32
                          The bit about getting to the end, and someone yelling "Run!"
Nov 05th 2014
35
                               I'm an idiot.
Nov 05th 2014
37
                          Nope. That's exactly my point.
Nov 05th 2014
34
                          timing probably influenced him telling those jokes...
Nov 05th 2014
39
                          Dude, I'm from NY and had a cousin run IN the marathon
Nov 05th 2014
45
                               I am not talking outrage or sweating it, it just wasn't funny and fell f...
Nov 05th 2014
46
                                    Nah I think it fell flat because it's not that funny
Nov 07th 2014
51
                                         I don't think it works that way.
Nov 08th 2014
52
                                              I love how you two are reengineering CHRIS ROCK'S ACT!
Nov 09th 2014
53
RE: Chris Rock/Prince SNL - is there really outrage?
Nov 03rd 2014
6
Monologue was the best part of the show
Nov 03rd 2014
8
I'd add Aidy Bryant, Bobby Moynihan and Cecily Strong
Nov 03rd 2014
10
      I thought I read somewhere that she wanted off
Nov 03rd 2014
12
      i thought again about Bryant right after i posted
Nov 04th 2014
20
           I would love to know what was funny about the old married couple sketch
Nov 04th 2014
21
                in concept, it's Chris and ole girl as older people trading barbs
Nov 04th 2014
24
                There may have been a cue card mixup
Nov 04th 2014
27
                     Naw, she left the scene early
Nov 04th 2014
31
I thoguht the monlogue was delivered in " TOO Chris Rock"
Nov 03rd 2014
9
Yeah, as much as I love his comedy
Nov 03rd 2014
11
This entire post x1000.
Nov 03rd 2014
14
Dude. I would've been furious......
Nov 04th 2014
17
They've done it without Farley
Nov 04th 2014
19
      RE: They've done it without Farley
Nov 04th 2014
22
yeah, why is he trying to be like Chris Rock?
Nov 04th 2014
28
      lol
Nov 05th 2014
40
      He was doing a Chris Rock impression
Nov 05th 2014
47
           he's the exact same way in every one of his stand ups
Nov 06th 2014
48
He exhausted the variety of flattop wigs they had in wardrobe.
Nov 03rd 2014
16
Why did he need a wig in every sketch?
Nov 04th 2014
23
      His reg hair would've been just fine at least 76% of the time
Nov 04th 2014
25
Great monologue...
Nov 04th 2014
26
dude joked about 9/11, jesus, guns...
Nov 04th 2014
29
Remember when comedians could tell jokes w/o "outrage"?
Nov 04th 2014
33
Media/culture has turned us into a people who want to be offended
Nov 05th 2014
38
Those days never really existed.
Nov 05th 2014
41
      yeah, i mean comedians who don't offend are a bit boring
Nov 05th 2014
42
      do the outraged ever have a point?
Nov 05th 2014
43
           people are allowed to feel how they want...
Nov 05th 2014
44
           sometimes, but i'd rather people look at context/intent
Nov 06th 2014
49
                agreed
Nov 06th 2014
50
Best part of the show, by far. Anybody outraged is being dumb.
Nov 05th 2014
36
late to the party, but that was the strangest SNL episode i've seen
Nov 09th 2014
54

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1. "those two topics will always ruffle some feathers"
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i didn't think he said anything too outrageous...it was pretty funny but tons of people will react without actually hearing his bit.

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2. "Monologue was outstanding"
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Is that what people are mad about?

I thought the sketches were mostly duds, though. Not just the one with Rock and Leslie Jones (that one obviously sticks out,) but most of it was mediocre even when cast members weren't flubbing all of their lines.

The Women in the Workplace and How's He Doing were fine, and the bank robbers got me. Everything else was kinda meh.

Why'd they keep Jost on Weekend Update, though?

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3. "Theyre sayin he did Boston Marathon jokes"
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NO! He made MARATHON jokes. So dumb.

And yes, Jost is awful to hear and look at.

Barack droppin 7% to 92% cracked me up.

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4. "That's dumb"
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It was the best monologue all season BY FAR.

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5. "It made me go check to see if hes goin on tour"
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It was great.

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7. "It's fake outrage"
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He hit taboo subjects like the Boston Marathon and 9/11 and people will make a big stink about it no matter what. They don't hear the jokes, they just hear "Wait, did a comedian mention something tragic! OUTRAGE!"

Fake outrage is a business plan nowadays and with so many commentators with so many venues to speak their mind, they'll get indignant about everything.

  

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13. "Terrible joke to make in NYC the day before the NYC Marathon"
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If you are not in NYC you might not get it. Also I didn't find it terribly funny. I kind of think t was because it was such poor timing but at the end of the day if the jokes were really funny it wouldn't have mattered.



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15. "Nah, it was timely and funny, "
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18. "FYI, this shit right here is officially over. "
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>If you are not in NYC you might not get it.

NYC, the self-proclaimed toughest city in the world, has had 13 years of clutching its collective pearls every time a building collapses in a shitty disaster movie.

  

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30. "You made my point, you don't even know what I am talking about. "
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I am not even talking about 9/11.

I am talking about the fact that Chris Rock was making shitty Boston Marathon terrorist jokes in NYC the night before the NYC Marathon and even bigger target.

And the most important part is that they were shitty not funny jokes.


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32. "What Boston marathon joke did he make?"
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35. "The bit about getting to the end, and someone yelling "Run!" "
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37. "I'm an idiot. "
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34. "Nope. That's exactly my point. "
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>I am not even talking about 9/11.
>
>I am talking about the fact that Chris Rock was making shitty
>Boston Marathon terrorist jokes in NYC the night before the
>NYC Marathon and even bigger target.

All this hand-wringing every time someone mentions terrorism is bullshit. And that's why that joke--regardless if you think it's funny, or not--works. Because it's bullshit. And people can finally unclench their assholes and admit it now.

  

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39. "timing probably influenced him telling those jokes..."
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it's topical for that week...Freedom tower was getting it's first tenants this week and the marathon was the next day. Were it an episode that aired in April he probably wouldn't have talked about that.

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45. "Dude, I'm from NY and had a cousin run IN the marathon"
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weren't any of us sweating Chris Rock jokes...

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46. "I am not talking outrage or sweating it, it just wasn't funny and fell f..."
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mainly because it was in NYC the day before the marathon.

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51. "Nah I think it fell flat because it's not that funny"
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The Freedom Tower bit was funny and the marathon bit could have been funny if he cut the wait time on the punchline. All of the folks saying "oh he shouldn't mention the marathon the day before...", why? Do you think someone is going to say "hey I think I'm gonna bomb the NYC marathon since that Chris Rock monologue was so damn good. He had a point!"

We gotta do better as a society. You can feel outrage if you want but that doesn't make something not funny it just means YOU can't laugh at it.

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52. "I don't think it works that way. "
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>The Freedom Tower bit was funny and the marathon bit could
>have been funny if he cut the wait time on the punchline. All
>of the folks saying "oh he shouldn't mention the marathon the
>day before...", why? Do you think someone is going to say "hey
>I think I'm gonna bomb the NYC marathon since that Chris Rock
>monologue was so damn good. He had a point!"

No. More like, it makes you start thinking, "damn I hadn't thought about it but is it possible someone may try to bomb or attack the marathon tomorrow?" which isn't what you want people thinking while they are suppose to be laughing.

>
>We gotta do better as a society. You can feel outrage if you
>want but that doesn't make something not funny it just means
>YOU can't laugh at it.

It's not outrage, it just doesn't work as a joke contextually (or like you said isn't funny).



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53. "I love how you two are reengineering CHRIS ROCK'S ACT!"
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>>The Freedom Tower bit was funny and the marathon bit could
>>have been funny if he cut the wait time on the punchline.
>All
>>of the folks saying "oh he shouldn't mention the marathon
>the
>>day before...", why? Do you think someone is going to say
>"hey
>>I think I'm gonna bomb the NYC marathon since that Chris
>Rock
>>monologue was so damn good. He had a point!"
>
>No. More like, it makes you start thinking, "damn I hadn't
>thought about it but is it possible someone may try to bomb or
>attack the marathon tomorrow?" which isn't what you want
>people thinking while they are suppose to be laughing.
>
>>
>>We gotta do better as a society. You can feel outrage if you
>>want but that doesn't make something not funny it just means
>>YOU can't laugh at it.
>
>It's not outrage, it just doesn't work as a joke contextually
>(or like you said isn't funny).
>
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6. "RE: Chris Rock/Prince SNL - is there really outrage?"
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>I thought Chris' monologue was great, others not so much??

The jokes in the monologue were fine. And as he told them, I KNEW, people would be up in arms about them. It was his delivery that needed work. It wasn't a refined "set". It was as if he was workshopping the jokes. That said, best monologue of the season.

>Few lowlights, the horrible married couple sketch that was
>just a mess from start to finish.

It was hard to find the jokes in that sketch. I really didn't get it. Aside from the terrible performances in the sketch. Quite honestly, the entire show was a mess. It was rudderless. The sketches seemed to have a premise and nothing else. They didn't build to any actual jokes. The youtube dance video was probably the best (worst) example of this.

>Then Prince had to plug in his guitar after he'd been playing
>for a while....

That sucked. It looked like the wire for his guitar was hanging on the microphone and the guitar was in the back. So he forgot to plug it in when he grabbed the guitar. Despite that, the dude is such a professional he keeps going without missing a beat. I've seen similar eff ups in his performances and he always keeps his cool and plays it off. A real pro.

>
>I just dont get the controversy.

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8. "Monologue was the best part of the show"
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i wish Pedrad had stayed...

most of the skits were remarkably bad though....there are like 3 or 4 really funny members of the cast and everybody else is funny sometimes...

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10. "I'd add Aidy Bryant, Bobby Moynihan and Cecily Strong"
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Cast isn't bad, but there's so much inconsistency. And why they took Strong off of Weekend Update and kept Jost will never make sense to me.

Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney's filmed pieces are usually pretty funny, but I've never been blown away by either of them in the live sketches.

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12. "I thought I read somewhere that she wanted off"
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> And why>they took Strong off of Weekend Update and kept Jost will
>never make sense to me.

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20. "i thought again about Bryant right after i posted "
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i like her too, i'm not convinced the other two are consistentley funny, but i do like most of the cast....

they do have a uneven amount of funny in there, some weeks alot, others barely any..i think that's just them letting different writers try to shine and that failing, plus people pitching ideas that might sound funny in the writers room, but aren't funny in execution...

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21. "I would love to know what was funny about the old married couple sketch"
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24. "in concept, it's Chris and ole girl as older people trading barbs"
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i guess kinda like "madea and joe", and when chris does his "old man" imitation right, it's hilarious...BUT....that ain't what happened...plus neither carry a scene well

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27. "There may have been a cue card mixup"
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Also, apparently this sketch was written by Rock's writers he brought in, not the show's normal writers (which he probably shouldn't have even done.)

Actually, this was all just speculation, so who knows.

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31. "Naw, she left the scene early"
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She left before she finished giving her lines. Then when she realized it, she came back but had trouble relocating the cue card.

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9. "I thoguht the monlogue was delivered in " TOO Chris Rock""
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He was yelling and repeating set-ups way too much. He didn't seem comfortable with the jokes.

He flubbed way too many lines in sketches.

Way too many Uber Car jokes.

And I was really hoping for a Nat X sketch - or at least an I'm Chillin', or Buster Jenkins.

If he hosts again I'll watch.

  

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11. "Yeah, as much as I love his comedy"
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dude's not a great actor. Even when he was a cast member of SNL. Some standups just aren't good at acting or inhabiting characters.

Though a new Nat X would've been great.

>He was yelling and repeating set-ups way too much. He didn't
>seem comfortable with the jokes.
>
>He flubbed way too many lines in sketches.
>
>Way too many Uber Car jokes.
>
>And I was really hoping for a Nat X sketch - or at least an
>I'm Chillin', or Buster Jenkins.
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>If he hosts again I'll watch.

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14. "This entire post x1000."
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I was more offended by the delivery than the substantive material of the
jokes.

  

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17. "Dude. I would've been furious......"
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> at least an I'm Chillin'

...if they did I'm Chillin' without Farley.

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19. "They've done it without Farley"
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>> at least an I'm Chillin'
>
>...if they did I'm Chillin' without Farley.

In the early 2000s, right?

  

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22. "RE: They've done it without Farley"
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>>> at least an I'm Chillin'
>>
>>...if they did I'm Chillin' without Farley.
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>In the early 2000s, right?

I believe it was Chris and Jim Breuer instead of Farley.

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28. "yeah, why is he trying to be like Chris Rock?"
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40. "lol"
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47. "He was doing a Chris Rock impression"
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He was more than a little over the top.

He's got normal Chris, Chris practicing material, Christ performing at a theater, amp-ed stadium show Chris, and then this.

  

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48. "he's the exact same way in every one of his stand ups"
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like, exactly.

  

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16. "He exhausted the variety of flattop wigs they had in wardrobe."
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some skits sucked.

I liked the Obama skit.

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23. "Why did he need a wig in every sketch?"
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That made no sense to me. A couple it made sense, but there was no reason for the wig in the Swiftamine sketch.

The Obama sketch had a good premise, but didn't really go anywhere. I did fall out laughing when Kenan speculated whether they would support Obama if he got dreadlocks, with "Three big braids." and Leslie Jones said, "Haitian Sytle?". I was dyin'.

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25. "His reg hair would've been just fine at least 76% of the time "
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26. "Great monologue..."
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I saw Rock about a year ago working out those same jokes and there's actually a lot more there he DIDNT do (for time or whatever) that I hope is still in there (Prices are falling this 9/11!, shit like that). He's still got it. His next special should be great.

That said, the sketches were SO bad....

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29. "dude joked about 9/11, jesus, guns..."
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he was probably a Reagan slam away from killing a few old white guys with that monologue.

monologue was great. show, not so much.

  

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33. "Remember when comedians could tell jokes w/o "outrage"?"
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Cats these days are fucking soft.


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38. "Media/culture has turned us into a people who want to be offended"
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41. "Those days never really existed."
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Individuals have always been outraged by comedy.

But nowadays, thanks to the internet, the outraged have a voice. If blogs existed in Richard Pryor's day, there would've been outrage pieces galore.

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42. "yeah, i mean comedians who don't offend are a bit boring"
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there's always been an element of controversy in good comedy

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43. "do the outraged ever have a point?"
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or is comedy sacred ground so long as enough people consider the material funny?

  

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44. "people are allowed to feel how they want..."
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others may or may not agree. it's all part of the game.

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49. "sometimes, but i'd rather people look at context/intent"
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than always go straight to outrage

there's a pretty big difference between adding levity to a tragic event, and people's fears (including his own), and actually making fun of the tragedy in an attempt to trivialize it.

if people don't think his jokes were funny, it's all good, but let Fox News and the outraged internet tell it, Chris Rock thinks terrorist attacks and dead americans are funny. Most of them know it's nonsense

  

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50. "agreed"
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comedy is a lot more nuanced than many people realize, i think, but the fact that there are trigger words and subjects for instant outrage is disappointing.

  

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36. "Best part of the show, by far. Anybody outraged is being dumb. "
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54. "late to the party, but that was the strangest SNL episode i've seen"
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monologue was great, even if rock seemed a little rusty (and while i was watching i knew people would be fake outraged over it). prince was amazing and i'm glad they gave him some time/a different musical format than the usual one. every sketch seemed like a fantastic concept but the execution was botched on almost all of them.

  

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