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Big Chief Rumbletummy
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"Appaloosa"


  

          


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This was the weirdest, and worst, “vanity” project I’ve seen in quite a long time. I guess I shouldn’t try and get into Ed Harris’ bald-ass head and act like I know his motives and intents but it’s really hard not to with an actor-turned-director and a cowboy flick. I just couldn’t shake the feeling that Harris saw what Clint Eastwood did with the sublime masterpiece “Unforgiven” as well as the superb job Kevin Costner did in front of and behind the camera on the beautiful “Open Range”; and he tried to emulate that. He tried…for example: there is an evil British landowner seemingly able to get the town big-wigs in his pocket, the main characters are a pair of honest and honorable, yet flawed, lawmen riding together in the name of justice and law n’ order, and a wild and untamed woman threatens to come between them. For these reasons I just couldn’t shake the idea he took the template laid out by the above and, well, came up far short. Never giving Appaloosa a chance at being anywhere near as good as both of those outstanding films because Appaloosa doesn’t possess the qualities and charms they did.


So let me quit trying to analyze the man.


The film never really gets up off the ground. At all. In my opinion the greatest of westerns can have the simplest of plots, and Appaloosa starts out doing nothing different than any of a dozen westerns you’ve seen before. Greedy, evil landowner does wrong and newly marshaled good guys aim to bring him to justice, WHATEVER THE COST! Fine. Seems simple enough, and many a good to great cowboy picture has been made using plots similarly simple. But then wild cards start getting tossed into the mix and characters start acting all willy-nilly and before I knew it in between stilted uncomfortable scenes of boring, clichéd dialogue I started hoping to get more shots of sweeping desert vistas and the like. You know a film is bad when you’d rather see continuous shots of the New Mexican desert than another glimpse of Renee Zellweger screwing her face up in an imaginary vice and offering up awkward and pensive nervous laughter to the awkward and pensive nervous reactions of everyone around her.

I’ve never really understood the Zellweger hate I see in PTP and other places, I liked her enough in the films I’ve seen, but this one…ehhh me no likey.
Viggo was good in his role as Everett Hitch, Deputy Town Marshall. The Vig Mortmeister’s career has been hit or miss with me (more often hit), but he was good here. No, make that he was really good. He was the bright spot of this dreck.
Jeremy Irons was atrociously miscast. I like Irons, I LOVED him in Reversal of Fortune, but he should never, EVER, be allowed to walk around in cowboy duds with bullet belts and shooters dangling off his 26” waist.
Lance Henriksen, who even when he was young looked old, looks dead. He looked like Pruneface from Dick Tracy, except with a mustache.
Ed Harris was a mess. He’s usually rock solid but I don’t even know where to begin with my un happiness with him in this.



It’s like…do I dislike his choices as an actor, or do I dislike his choices as a director for using the scenes in which he acted so poorly, or do I dislike his writing (adapted from a book, I believe) which made Ed Harris the actor say horrible dialogue that Ed Harris the director had to film…?!? His character was at first the clichéd quiet, smoldering, sturdy and honest lawman who, while sturdy and honest and a lawman, can also go over the line and be a violent bully. But after just seeing RZ for twenty seconds he becomes a goofy, smitten fool who adopts a “aw, gee shucks” manner. He then acts so irrationally and makes such obviously poor decisions for himself and his partner all in the name of a love of an amoral woman who has wronged him repeatedly, you start to wonder why the hell his partner is so damned loyal in the first place.


Two bits of the stunningly shitty script stuck with me. I think it’s because in both instances these were meant to be profound, character defining and plot summarizing moments for the audience to really sit back and soak in the genius:

Town Marshall Virgil Cole (Ed Harris): (To Ally’s (Zellweger)’s asking of why a man convicted of murder and sentenced to death, freed by banditos he paid to break him out of prison, the re-captured by the law-men and put into prison, then pardoned because at one time he was friends with Chester A. Arthur, President of the United States , would ever come back to the town and show his face again) “Pride. It’s Pride, Ally…pride’ll make a man do funny things…” aaannnnddd…SCENE!!

Bragg (Jeremy Irons): “You’ll never hang me, Marshall!”
Town Marshall Virgil Cole (Ed Harris): (dramatic pause) “Never is a long time.”
aaannnnddd…SCENE!!

I think those two instances constitute a couple of hat tricks in the “cheese” department for Harris: a horribly cheesey way to end two cheesey scenes with cheese lines said cheesily.

  

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RE: Appaloosa
Oct 11th 2008
1
*Ed and Viggo collapse, wounded, after shootout*
Oct 11th 2008
2
RE: Appaloosa
Jun 02nd 2009
3
I really enjoyed this movie.
Jun 02nd 2009
4
I still need to see this & Open Range at some point.
Jun 02nd 2009
5
Open Range - DEFINITELY, Apaloosa - meh.
Jun 02nd 2009
7
      ApaLost. Still haven't seen all of Open Range but its much better
Aug 05th 2009
9
      isn't that how real gunfights actually went?
Aug 05th 2009
11
           if realism was the goal he should've done it with the dialogue
Aug 05th 2009
14
      basa, come get your boy
Aug 05th 2009
10
Should have been a mini-series
Jun 02nd 2009
6
Co-sign on multiple fronts. renee was hideous.
Aug 05th 2009
12
      Would an Appaloosa mini-series be better than Deadwood tho?
Aug 05th 2009
15
           never seen either of those so i am clueless.
Aug 05th 2009
16
Without comparing to anything else...
Jun 02nd 2009
8
Every other line in Open Range was "A man" this "A man" that.
Aug 05th 2009
13
AY-MEN BRUDDA
Aug 05th 2009
17

Preach
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1. "RE: Appaloosa"
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i like your write up. not sure if i agree w/ everything just yet.

as of now it's 3/5 movie to me. viggo was great though.

  

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2. "*Ed and Viggo collapse, wounded, after shootout*"
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Viggo (groaning on his back):(paraphrase)"...I didn't see that comin'."
Ed (one leg screwed up):"...That's cause everyone could shoot."

Best part of the movie. I'm not a western buff, and I didn't know much about the movie in advance, so it entertained me enough. I liked that occasional banter between Viggo and Ed, as well as the bit of dark humor played around how cold they both were when it came to criminals.

"Hey. If either of you pull on me, I'll shoot you and your friend."
*Guy 1 reaches for gun*
*Harris shoots Guy 1 in chest and Guy 2, who also pulls, in the face*
*Viggo shoots Guy 3 with a shotgun*
"...I warned 'em."
Later
"You shot three of my men, sheriff."
"Actually, I only shot two. Cole shot the other one."

Ed Harris right after introducing himself and his deputy to Renee:
"So, are you a whore?"
*Viggo slowly turns his head and stares at Harris*

Really, the only things I disliked was Renee Zellweger's idiotic character and the pusification on Ed Harris' character, even when Allie is revealed to be...a REALLY around the way girl.

The ending was sort of WTF worthy, yet badass.

  

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3. "RE: Appaloosa"
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that movie was trash

  

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4. "I really enjoyed this movie."
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jigga
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5. "I still need to see this & Open Range at some point."
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Big Chief Rumbletummy
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7. "Open Range - DEFINITELY, Apaloosa - meh."
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Maybe you'd watch Appaloosa just for the curiosity factor but seriously, take a hint from ol' Uncle Tum-Tum, ou want to stay clear away from this one.

It was even worse than Eastern Promises.





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9. "ApaLost. Still haven't seen all of Open Range but its much better"
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That running joke with Ed Harris asking Viggo for the right word he was looking for got old quick. And he still never found the right words because the script was terrible. I didn't really mind Jeremy Irons but he really wasn't given a chance to shine here. RZ was terrible & Viggo looked like he couldn't wait for the scene to end whenever he was on screen. And I can't blame him either. I dont' need non-stop or even over the top (3:10 to Yuma rmk) action in my Westerns. But what little action there was, never brought any excitement. It was like a couple gun shots go off, people fall down, & the scene was over. Weak.

  

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11. "isn't that how real gunfights actually went?"
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>was like a couple gun shots go off, people fall down, & the
>scene was over. Weak.


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14. "if realism was the goal he should've done it with the dialogue "
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that thought did cross my mind but it was just corny since they spent the whole time talking up how bad ass they were with the guns & then once they finally face off with the other duo they just walk up to them & get blasted.

  

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10. "basa, come get your boy"
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>It was even worse than Eastern Promises.

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6. "Should have been a mini-series"
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Zelwegger really killed it for me. I didn't realize that there were bad face lifts in the Old West.

But the bigger issue I had with it was that it blew through a lot of interesting situations and didn't really get anything out of them. There were at least four times in the film that I thought they were entering into a cool moment but then it just kind of sleepwalked (sleptwalk?) through the scene.

I think expanding the film into a mini-series and really getting the most out of each scenario would make for a far more interesting piece.

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12. "Co-sign on multiple fronts. renee was hideous. "
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like, really, really ugly.

blech.

a miniseries would be cool... this is the type of scenario that would make for a solid hbo show.

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15. "Would an Appaloosa mini-series be better than Deadwood tho?"
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or even The Young Riders?

>a miniseries would be cool... this is the type of scenario
>that would make for a solid hbo show.
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16. "never seen either of those so i am clueless. "
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>or even The Young Riders?
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>>a miniseries would be cool... this is the type of scenario
>>that would make for a solid hbo show.
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i dunno.

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it was just OK. I don't think it was a terrible film but it was near as good as I hoped it would have been.

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13. "Every other line in Open Range was "A man" this "A man" that."
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That movie had the kind of cinematography that could make a man shit his pants real good, but sometimes a man has to face the facts and admit when dialog is corny.

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17. "AY-MEN BRUDDA"
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I kid you not...in the first 3 minutes or so of Open Range, Kevin Costner's character actually utters the line "Let's russle up some grub". I almost shit.

A heaping of corny dialogue and formulaic plotline aside, that movie had wonderful scenery, great editing and pacing, interesting characters, and managed to seem like an epic despite having a tiny cast and only a handful of locations.

Appaloosa was pure cornation thru and thru.


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