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Knowledge_of_Self
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Wed Jul-02-25 07:35 PM

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"Vibrations!!! 6/2/2025"


          

I would like start a group discussion of jazz albums past or present.

It doesn’t matter to me if you like to title or not. Only true thoughts and opinions.

https://miguelatwood-ferguson.bandcamp.com/album/les-jardins-mystiques-vol-1

Let’s discuss Miguel Atwood-Ferguson and the album titled Les Jardins Mystiques Vol.1.

I thought that as a single listen through, it’s one of the best 3+ hours of music in one record that you could ask for. It’s jazzy, classic, and hip. It was a decade plus in the making.

Not sure how many of you guys get into the ambient sound, but this was phenomenal!

  

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Do we have to talk about that specific one? and for how long?
Jul 03rd 2025
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RE: Do we have to talk about that specific one? and for how long?
Jul 03rd 2025
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My honest reaction when I saw it was 3 hours long...
Jul 03rd 2025
2
What was your impression when you listened to it?
Jul 05th 2025
5
      Still working on it.
Jul 07th 2025
10
i'll revisit then come back
Jul 03rd 2025
4
You feel any different?
Jul 05th 2025
6
      after one listen, not really
Jul 05th 2025
7
           Just curious…
Jul 06th 2025
8
                the problem isn't the length!
Jul 06th 2025
9
                     So in terms of sequencing how should it should it be put together?
Jul 08th 2025
11
                          talk more about your thoughts!
Jul 08th 2025
12
                               RE: talk more about your thoughts!
Jul 08th 2025
13

stone_phalanges
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Thu Jul-03-25 07:42 AM

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1. "Do we have to talk about that specific one? and for how long?"
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I'm going to listen now and get back to you.

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Knowledge_of_Self
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Thu Jul-03-25 09:02 AM

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3. "RE: Do we have to talk about that specific one? and for how long?"
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For this one we will discuss this record only.

I’ll try to put up a couple albums per week to discuss.

Please don’t get turned off by a 3+ hour long album. It is a great listen from my viewpoint.

  

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stone_phalanges
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Thu Jul-03-25 07:46 AM

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2. "My honest reaction when I saw it was 3 hours long..."
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HELL NO. That's just a first impression though.

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Knowledge_of_Self
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Sat Jul-05-25 06:54 AM

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5. "What was your impression when you listened to it?"
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>HELL NO. That's just a first impression though.

  

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stone_phalanges
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10. "Still working on it."
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I sounded pretty good but didn't get through even a quarter before life got in the way. I'm going to try to get back to it today.

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thebigfunk
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Thu Jul-03-25 12:31 PM

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4. "i'll revisit then come back"
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my first impressions when it was released, after a spin or two, were that it was unfortunately that it was so long.

that there was a really good single or maybe even double album in there.

but that its long length actually made it less effective as a record and a statement.

but glad to revisit and see if I feel differently!

-thebigfunk

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Knowledge_of_Self
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Sat Jul-05-25 06:55 AM

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6. "You feel any different?"
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7. "after one listen, not really"
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In fact if anything, I'm definitely more critical of it now than I was when I first listened.

I'll share some thoughts after a little more time with it. That should help keep me from coming off a straight hater, lol.

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Knowledge_of_Self
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Sun Jul-06-25 11:26 AM

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8. "Just curious…"
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Sun Jul-06-25 11:27 AM by Knowledge_of_Self

          

Outside of the length of the album, what can you really say that bad about it (with regards to the music itself)?

  

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thebigfunk
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9. "the problem isn't the length!"
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Long projects are not inherently a problem. I love a good long project.

My problem is not that it's long, but that it's long *and* unfocused. The assortment of pieces, their sequencing and relation to each other -- it all feels very random or, at the very least, obscure. It doesn't tell much of a story in itself, nor about the music or about its creator(s).

You have 14-minute live ambient jazz next to studio miniatures that range from synth-y video game soundtracks to orchestral vignettes. In theory, that might be cool, but if you're going to present it as an epic album, a) the stuff has to be really good, top-notch, and b) it needs to work together. That's how you start to tell a coherent story.

I don't get that here.

(One story the album DOES tell, quite successfully: MAF is partial AF to the musical equivalent of the soft focus production values you might find in a holiday Lifetime movie.)

And while I'll talk about the music "itself" soon, after I listen a bit more, I'll double-down here: framing and presentation matters --- it's an integral part of the music. I'd argue that, precisely bc so many of us listen to digital w/o physical copies, it's even *more* important than it was previously, not less.

It's a really, really big part, and I think separating them is somewhat artificial if you're talking about the project as a whole.

There are a thousand ways to release music into the world these days. When you choose to release a set of this size, that's a choice. When your promo for the release doubles down on this by emphasizing the quantity of music, emphasizing the amount of time it incubated, and the fact that this is supposed to be part of an eventual 10 hour set... when you talk about how you chose the names of all the pieces because they have spiritual significance... that tells me, this is not supposed to be just a collection of tracks.

The set-up is that this is monumental, it's epic.

In which case, I want it to feel epic and monumental. For me - I stress that, I speak only for myself - it doesn't feel that way at all.

It feels exactly the opposite.

There's a fair amount of good music on here. There's a bit that's very good. I'll talk about that soon. There's also a lot that feels mediocre, and a bit that's just seems superfluous. I'll talk about that, too.

-thebigfunk

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Knowledge_of_Self
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Tue Jul-08-25 10:19 AM

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11. "So in terms of sequencing how should it should it be put together?"
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Going from orchestra to duos to solos to synths isn’t really an issue because the music isn’t bad at all. I’ve heard projects similar give you a wide spectrum of sounds that you hear in a record, but definitely not for 3+ hours on a studio project.

He was sorta put this out as a type of “life’s work” project if I’m not mistaken correct??

If so then the project in how it is put together should work right?

I also didn’t hear anything mediocre on here, but we are stating how we feel individually about everything in its totality. I would definitely love to hear what you considered mediocre.




  

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12. "talk more about your thoughts!"
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It will be a minute before I come back to this.

But would like to hear from you: what is it about the music that works for you?

Why did you pick this as a discussion focus?

Do you see it as a particularly important album? If so, why?


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Knowledge_of_Self
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Tue Jul-08-25 05:28 PM

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13. "RE: talk more about your thoughts!"
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>It will be a minute before I come back to this.
>
>But would like to hear from you: what is it about the music
>that works for you?
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>Why did you pick this as a discussion focus?
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>Do you see it as a particularly important album? If so, why?
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>-thebigfunk
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>~ i could still snort you under the table ~

As I said in the previous post, I don’t have an issue with the the wide range of sounds that are present. The overall vibe is what works. This is some straight chill out shit when I hear it. The musicians that contributed are definitely top notch, and the production sounds great (to my ears at least).

Not to compare this to some Sun Ra, but you hear a wide range of sounds on records that he put out. He’ll do some spaced out synths, a free improv piece, then do something straight ahead all on the same record.

I chose it and will try to focus on records that aren’t really discussed that much. Not that it’s all that important or significant. Just good to see what people would think since I don’t see it discussed as much.

  

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