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Knowledge_of_Self
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"So the whole listening to only one album or artist discussion…"


          

I have been contemplating listening to only one artist/entity for a little bit, those that have an extensive body of work. I was thinking about at least doing it for the remainder of this year to see if I could vibe for that long. I have a few artists/entities that definitely could work.

Has anyone tried to do this, and for how long did you do it?

  

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Half a year+ of one artist or collective would drive me insane
Jun 24th 2025
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^ in this line
Jun 24th 2025
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RE: Half a year+ of one artist or collective would drive me insane
Jun 26th 2025
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ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately
Jun 24th 2025
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Was just thinking the other day I gotta revisit the Nas/Hitboy albums.
Jun 25th 2025
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I gotta be honest...
Jun 25th 2025
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      This was exactly my feeling about them, outside of a handful of songs.
Jun 25th 2025
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           Yeah y’all are missing out
Jun 26th 2025
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                Ha we'll see.
Jun 26th 2025
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                     Them joints is classics B
Jun 26th 2025
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                          Even terming something "classic" is largely subjective so I won't argue ...
Jun 26th 2025
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                          I’m just going to add….
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                               That's dope.
Jun 26th 2025
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RE: ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately
Jun 26th 2025
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      RE: ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately
Jun 26th 2025
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I can go a couple days at the most
Jun 26th 2025
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SWV ! My wife and I recently re-fell in love with them.
Jun 26th 2025
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You’re Always On My Mind is my current go to
Jun 26th 2025
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      Oh yea that's a banger.
Jun 26th 2025
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      Yeah, I assumed that’s the version you were talking about
Jun 26th 2025
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           Same. There's an endless well of objectively amazing music.
Jun 26th 2025
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           90's R&B
Jul 01st 2025
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      RE: You’re Always On My Mind is my current go to
Jun 27th 2025
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if a Sade song come on shuffle
Jun 26th 2025
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      lol that's understandable.
Jun 26th 2025
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I might go a few days to a week on one artist.
Jun 27th 2025
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Yea I do this too.
Jun 27th 2025
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prince might get a couple of weeks tho.
Jun 27th 2025
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His discography isn’t all that large though…
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      40 studio albums is a ton! lol
Jun 30th 2025
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      What.
Jun 30th 2025
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      gtfoohwtbs
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      Let’s be honest… 40 or so records is only an average sized catalog.
Jun 30th 2025
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           where did you get average from?
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           I get it from this…
Jul 01st 2025
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                yeah, there are a few artists but that's not the norm.
Jul 01st 2025
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                     RE: yeah, there are a few artists but that's not the norm.
Jul 02nd 2025
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           Yeah let’s be honest. You dont know what you're talking about.
Jul 01st 2025
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                Okay I’ll play along…
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                     i think that there's some need to distinguish
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                          re: Prince
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                          RE: re: Prince
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                          RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish
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                               the issue is saying his output is average in terms of quantity.
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                               RE: the issue is saying his output is average in terms of quantity.
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                               RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish
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                                    RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish
Jul 05th 2025
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Where did this discussion start?
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RE: Where did this discussion start?
Jul 05th 2025
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RE: So the whole listening to only one album or artist discussion…
Jul 15th 2025
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Oak27
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1. "Half a year+ of one artist or collective would drive me insane"
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I try to do discog dives for artists who I never really checked for before or maybe haven't heard the majority of their output, but even by the middle of that I need to break off and cleanse my ears with something different.

  

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Brew
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2. "^ in this line"
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Knowledge_of_Self
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7. "RE: Half a year+ of one artist or collective would drive me insane"
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>I try to do discog dives for artists who I never really
>checked for before or maybe haven't heard the majority of
>their output, but even by the middle of that I need to break
>off and cleanse my ears with something different.

I really believe that depends on the amount of album volume that the artist has as well as how diverse their sound is. I think that could stretch that time period a bit longer.

  

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fontgangsta
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3. "ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately"
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Tue Jun-24-25 03:27 PM by fontgangsta

  

          

i started going to the gym with regularity for the first time in my life about 4 months ago, need a lot of music to listen to, so ive just been running thru complete albums and/or discogs

ive been limited to gym friendly stuff (ie uptempo) but recently ive done black thought, greyboy, aesop rock, hypnotic brass ensemble, a lot of stuff from Good Looking Records, some mixtapes (Von Pea's Hovcast, a Ninjatune retrospective), the Nike+ All Day series, Diamond District, Gang Starr....im sure others but im blanking

ive got the nas+hitboy run on my list, also T.I.

  

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Brew
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4. "Was just thinking the other day I gotta revisit the Nas/Hitboy albums."
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>ive got the nas+hitboy run on my list, also T.I.

A track from KDIII came up on shuffle and I was thinking, maybe I was too hard on these in the moment lol.

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5. "I gotta be honest..."
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outside of the singles, you could play a random song from one of these albums and I wouldn't be able to tell you which of the six records it appeared on 4/5 times.

The first KD I'm kind of meh on, but the rest I enjoyed, but they all just blend into each other. Nothing really stands out. And that's def a problem and probably why I haven't revisited them since the last one dropped.

  

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6. "This was exactly my feeling about them, outside of a handful of songs."
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>The first KD I'm kind of meh on, but the rest I enjoyed, but they all just blend into each other. Nothing really stands out.

And that's why I didn't care for them much upon their releases. KDII was probably my favorite of the bunch overall, and that's specifically because, to my mind, there were more standout/unique songs on that one than there were on the rest. It had some good features, more variety in the beats, etc. And I agree that KDI is the worst of them. That album felt a bit rusty.

But yea - I'm not necessarily expecting to suddenly be blown away if/when I revisit these albums, especially not by Hitboy's typically unremarkable production. It's more that now that my expectations will be lowered, I envision just enjoying hearing Nas rap really well for a few hours, since we spent nearly a decade wondering when we'd ever hear him rhyme at length again. Plus the albums are all relatively short so it shouldn't be too much of a project to give them all another listen or two.

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12. "Yeah y’all are missing out"
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KDIII and Magic are classics

KDII, Magic 2, and Magic 3 are ok to good

Only one I really wasn’t that into was KD

Once a Man, Twice a Child is classic Nas

CMON!

  

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Brew
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13. "Ha we'll see."
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Thu Jun-26-25 12:37 PM by Brew

          

I gave each album at least 2-3 listens upon release and I'm pretty confident in the fact that even when I revisit with lowered expectations, I'll find the production endlessly sleepy. So to my mind, calling any of these "classic" would be overstating your case. But it's all subjective and frankly I hope to find out that you're right.

That said, the reason I got motivated to revisit these albums in the first place was because when that one song came up on shuffle, I was like oh I forgot this dude was spitting lol. So out of respect for one of my all time favorite MCs, I owe these albums a collective revisit on account of how well he raps.

And to that point I think there is benefit to the fact that while sleepy, none of the beats (to my memory) were outright *bad*. Therefore I guess it could be argued that the whole point was for Hitboy to provide solid but unmemorable beats so as to give Nas' incredible flow and rhymes room to breathe and be heard.

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20. "Them joints is classics B"
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The beats on KDIII and Magic are great

I’ve heard some talking heads place Hit in the top 10 producers for that run

I guess it’s not for everybody but you can’t deny the acclaim they received. I’m not saying that they are good based on popularity but rather it’s not hyperbolic to say they’re classic

Some of my faves from those albums

Count Me In - KDII, dope
Once a Man Twice a Child - KDIII, dope
Sittin With My Thoughts - Magic 3, dope
Pistols On Your Album Cover - Magic 2, dope
Wu For the Children - Magic, fire

I’m whatever with KD, maybe I should give it another spin. Car 85 was cool

  

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21. "Even terming something "classic" is largely subjective so I won't argue ..."
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>I guess it’s not for everybody but you can’t deny the
>acclaim they received. I’m not saying that they are good
>based on popularity but rather it’s not hyperbolic to say
>they’re classic

Except to say that there are plenty of acclaimed albums that are nowhere near classic. Not sure what you're using for criteria but outside of this very board I'm not sure I've heard more than 2 people discuss a single one of these albums ever, beyond just a brief mention in passing lol. And I have a *lot* of hip hop heads in my orbit.

So I dunno. You wanna call them personal classics or whatever, you do you my guy .. but I find it a little hard to believe you actually believe that any of these joints are universal classics. They came and went pretty quickly, to my mind.

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22. "I’m just going to add…."
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Thu Jun-26-25 02:57 PM by DJR

  

          

At MSG a couple years ago, Nas did the King’s Disease trilogy for the first hour, took a break, and then did his 94-02 classics for the next hour.

The man in front of me was going every bit as hard for KD as he was the old classics. Like, I vividly remember him going absolutely apeshit during “30” - the way I was during The Message and Represent.

So there’s some out there who connect with that run like that.

  

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23. "That's dope."
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My lukewarm pre-revisitation thoughts about those albums aside I'm always glad to hear that Nas is resonating with folks to this day.

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8. "RE: ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately"
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>i started going to the gym with regularity for the first time
>in my life about 4 months ago, need a lot of music to listen
>to, so ive just been running thru complete albums and/or
>discogs
>
>ive been limited to gym friendly stuff (ie uptempo) but
>recently ive done black thought, greyboy, aesop rock, hypnotic
>brass ensemble, a lot of stuff from Good Looking Records, some
>mixtapes (Von Pea's Hovcast, a Ninjatune retrospective), the
>Nike+ All Day series, Diamond District, Gang Starr....im sure
>others but im blanking
>
>ive got the nas+hitboy run on my list, also T.I.

Have you singled out one particular artist when doing so?

  

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fontgangsta
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9. "RE: ive been doing a lot of discog dives lately"
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>Have you singled out one particular artist when doing so?

i have no interest in that lolol
all the artists i listed above take over my listening for about 2-4 days when i go on a dive, but thats about as long as id go

  

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10. "I can go a couple days at the most "
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with one artist.

I think sort of related though is there’s artists who I will throw on and listen to a lot of their stuff for a day or two periodically. Like, whenever I don’t have something new in mind to listen to, but I want to listen to something, I’ll throw certain artists on and then end up running a bunch of their albums for a couple days.

Stevie Wonder, Sault, Black Milk, Little Brother, Larry June, SWV - that’s been some of my go to’s in recent times.

  

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11. "SWV ! My wife and I recently re-fell in love with them."
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Right Here is my current go-to classic of theirs.

And wife and I always talk about one of our biggest regrets was not having Weak be our first dance song @ our wedding. Sigh.

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15. "You’re Always On My Mind is my current go to "
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But the Right Here Human Nature mix is my favorite of theirs. I love the second album too.

  

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Brew
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16. "Oh yea that's a banger."
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>But the Right Here Human Nature mix is my favorite of theirs.
> I love the second album too.

And yes the Human Nature mix was the one I was referring to as well, just to be clear haha.

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18. "Yeah, I assumed that’s the version you were talking about "
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>>But the Right Here Human Nature mix is my favorite of
>theirs.
>> I love the second album too.
>
>And yes the Human Nature mix was the one I was referring to as
>well, just to be clear haha.

90s R&B never really gets old to me. Been on it heavy lately. For example, I checked out Silk’s second album recently, and have been on that heavy.

  

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Brew
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19. "Same. There's an endless well of objectively amazing music."
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>90s R&B never really gets old to me.

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36. "90's R&B"
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so great.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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24. "RE: You’re Always On My Mind is my current go to "
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that might be my fav by them. it's so good!

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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14. "if a Sade song come on shuffle"
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it pretty much guarantees ill be listening to Sade for 3 days straight

  

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17. "lol that's understandable."
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25. "I might go a few days to a week on one artist."
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sometimes that's listening to albums. other time, it'll be the random songs I liked in a playlist.

talib kweli has been the go to this week. gravitas gets heavy rotation. also listened again to the album with jrawls. much better than I remembered.

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27. "Yea I do this too."
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>sometimes that's listening to albums. other time, it'll be
>the random songs I liked in a playlist.

On my old iPod I had a Common playlist I would go to when I didn't feel like going thru full albums. Just the bangers.


>talib kweli has been the go to this week. gravitas gets heavy
>rotation. also listened again to the album with jrawls. much
>better than I remembered.

Both albums are really, really good. JRawls was in heavy rotation for a few weeks after it came out. Gravitas I haven't listen to in full outside a couple of stray songs in many years. Gotta revisit.

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26. "prince might get a couple of weeks tho."
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so much music. even tracks from his later albums.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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28. "His discography isn’t all that large though…"
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Only about 40 studio records. Not sure if there will be too many posthumous releases down the line.

Not sure if he has many live recordings out there on wax or digitally.

  

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29. "40 studio albums is a ton! lol"
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not to mention, some of them were 2, up to 5 cds long. the remasters are long af with all the remixes/originals/lives.

along with that, I'm mainly listening to music in the car or at work. not a lot of time to shoot through his catalogue like that. I also replay a song multiple times when I'm feeling it.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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30. "What."
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>RE: His discography isn’t all that large though…
>Only about 40 studio records.

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31. "gtfoohwtbs"
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>Only about 40 studio records. Not sure if there will be too
>many posthumous releases down the line.
>
>Not sure if he has many live recordings out there on wax or
>digitally.

  

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32. "Let’s be honest… 40 or so records is only an average sized catalog."
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There are artists that have 70 releases and up and much larger discographies.

What will help is how much music is released going forward to get more into the catalog.

For me if I’m looking to do this I prefer artists with closer to 100 releases (studio and live).

  

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33. "where did you get average from?"
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most artists aren't reaching 40 proper album releasing, let alone 70. if you're talking singles, maybe.

yeah, you'll have your high scorers reaching 100, 81, 71, but that doesn't make the 40pt game average. it'll still a lot of points.

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34. "I get it from this…"
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>most artists aren't reaching 40 proper album releasing, let
>alone 70. if you're talking singles, maybe.
>
>yeah, you'll have your high scorers reaching 100, 81, 71, but
>that doesn't make the 40pt game average. it'll still a lot of
>points.
>
>

So a few artists that I’m considering:

Sun Ra Arkestra

Sun Ra is estimated to having close to 200 releases live and studio. Includes releases under his name and his various Arkestras. Marshall Allen is still directing them to this day.

Keith Jarrett

Has about 100 releases live and studio.

William Parker

Has an estimated 150 live and studio releases.



Now to show that other artists have larger catalogs as well.

Elvis Presley has over 300 albums, including studio, live, and posthumous releases.

Frank Zappa has 119 albums, including studio, live, and rock operas.

Johnny Cash has released 167 albums.

Buckethead has released over 300 albums

Miles Davis has close to 100 live and studio releases.

James Brown has over 100 releases.



There are other artists as well. So 40 is an average number to me. Is that a lot to some people? Apparently this seems to be the case.

  

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35. "yeah, there are a few artists but that's not the norm."
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those are outliers but I understand the perspective.

I don't know that I'd have the patience to go through so much material. have you? how do you manage?

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38. "RE: yeah, there are a few artists but that's not the norm."
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>those are outliers but I understand the perspective.
>
>I don't know that I'd have the patience to go through so much
>material. have you? how do you manage?

Exactly that’s why I said that Prince had an average or normal amount as you put it because there are artists that have released two to three times or more volume than him.

Well the artists that I’m considering, I have heard their entire catalogs before so it’s not that big of a deal. I can get a variety of sounds from those artists so I technically never get bored with listening to any of them.

Let’s take Sun Ra & the Arkestra.

That entity has taken a few different directions throughout their existence.

John Gilmore than Marshall Allen have kept the Arkestra in existence to this day.

They have put out so much music that the different vibes always resonates with me. Depending on the mood, I will only play certain recordings.

  

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37. "Yeah let’s be honest. You dont know what you're talking about. "
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acting like 40 isnt an unusually large amount.

  

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39. "Okay I’ll play along…"
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>acting like 40 isnt an unusually large amount.

So let me get this straight… let’s take Elvis’ catalog only. There are over 300 releases from him. You are still trying to tell me that 40 releases is an “unusually large amount"?

Not sure where you took math at, but 300+ releases are far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 40.

300+ is what is unusual. 40 is normal or average.

You’ll continue to disagree, but whatever!

  

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40. "i think that there's some need to distinguish"
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between "albums" and "releases," and even what these terms mean over the course of a career and how they might vary across time and across genres.

Take Elvis. He recorded a lot of music, for sure, but the industry looked really different then, in terms of releases. I don't know where you're getting 300+ releases, but that number *has* to include things like budget records (which were often previously released material), a whole lot of singles (again with a lot of duplicated material), soundtracks, compilations, etc.

He wasn't making albums in terms of *albums*. He largely wasn't thinking of his releases as albums, or even as distinct releases. (He often wasn't thinking about his releases at all -- that was the label's job.) And this is a guy who was basically active as a recording artist for like, 10 years - the late '50s, and the late '60s to the early-70s. (Early to mid-60s are basically soundtracks.) Material from recording sessions often went to multiple places. I'm not an expert, but in terms of official releases, I don't think he actually released *that* much unique music.

Something similar can be said about someone like Johnny Cash. Unlike Elvis, he has a number of classic albums in the fullest sense of the term, and he was always much closer (as an artist) to his releases. But a lot of his discography is still very obviously quick and dirty releases, albums that are more or less compilations (even if they are of "new" material).

You see this a lot of with jazz, too, in two important ways.

1) On the one hand, folks like Duke and Ella, respectively, genuinely recorded *a lot*, and that stuff often got split up across different albums, soundtracks, etc. But both of them also re-recorded a lot of the same or very similar material and a lot of it was, quite frankly, fluff that was released in formats that would be considered singles or EPs today, with just one or two songs to the record.

Go listen to Ella's early Decca recordings (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Fitzgerald_singles_discography) --- she released or contributed to dozens of 78s between the '30s and the '50s. A good portion of that stuff is, honestly, really forgettable. Interesting from a historical standpoint, boring in comparison to who and what she became later. She was basically working in a recording factory. You can include those "releases" as individual releases - that's technically what they were - or you can quantify them in terms of hours of audio, but no one considers them mandatory or vital.

Or Duke: he's probably one of the most extensively recorded artists, but a lot of that was, again, 78s, or a few sessions being split up across multiple longer releases, or live performances being split up across multiple releases. The amount of care and focus that went into every official release really varied; some of them were super slapdash, others were very thoughtfully curated and engineered.

And posthumously we've seen an enormous amount of live Duke material come out (even still), but just because the recordings exist... doesn't mean they mean the same thing as official projects. Like, I LOVE Ellington, think he is terribly ignored today, but that doesn't mean we need to sacralize every version of A Train that was ever recorded with a mobile rig. Some of those crazy extensive boxsets are exhausting to listen to, even as a fan.

2) Similarly, the other thing with jazz: you have a culture of just recording and releasing, especially a ton of live stuff, both during the artist's life and after they've died. AND record labels would literally collect jazz players outtakes or cutting-room-floor stuff out of sessions and repackage them as albums. (Think: Miles and the Silent Way sessions...)

That wasn't the same in popular music, where artists literally had to fight for budgets and label interest.

So it's not always easy to tease apart what was an "authentic" piece of the artist's oeuvre, vs something the label whipped together, vs something the artist did for some quick cash, etc.

Which brings us back to the original discussion point: does it matter?

I think it does. If you are going just by literal recorded music that has been released in official or semi-official channels - like, you can buy it in a store - during and after one's lifetime, then sure, we can name people with 100+ releases.

But that word 'release' is really tricky and (sometimes) deceptive. What counts as a "release" varies from time to time and context to context, and how releases relate to an artist's talent and vision varies, too. The amount of material in Elvis's "300" releases that bears his real artistic intent and imprint is quite different from someone like Prince. I'm not sure that comparing Prince's output to Elvis makes any reasonable sense: they worked in very different contexts, to very different aims. It's apples and oranges.

In other words, I think approaching this as a numbers game is kind of foolish. It elides the place a given "release" had in the context of a person's career, and in some cases adds things to their canon that they had little/nothing to do with.

(Will add another reply in a second, re: Prince)

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41. "re: Prince"
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All of that said... just for fun, we can do a different numbers game: compared to other popular musicians, Prince absolutely had a much larger discography than most.

30-ish albums, plus an extensive collection of singles and maxi-singles, some weird limited release EPs, etc.

Compare to other popular artists of a similar ilk. His longevity as an active artist works in his favor here (despite his life being cut tragically short), and he released far more material, steadily, than similar artists (similar in genre, popularity, etc). Few popular artists release as much over a similar time frame. Most are frontloaded for 10 years, in terms of steady releases, then dwindle (if they stick around).

Notable exceptions within pop are rare. Elton's a good exception. Bob Dylan. Springsteen. Even many popular artists that are considered prolific don't match that output.

No one in hip hop has that sort of run of official releases, which is interesting. Maybe once you get to the mixtape era?

Regardless, even if you think Prince's official output is "small" (which I don't), he was long known as one of, if not *the* most bootlegged artist. Add all of THAT stuff to his output, and you easily rival some of the most recorded folks you could think of. That's not even a question.

Back in the day, I had CDRs (plural) of mp3s full of live shit, unreleased shit, lesser-known b-sides, the works -- in file form, not burned to play on a CD player.

If we're really doing comparisons where we're counting posthumous live recordings, for instance, then the closest comparison with Prince would have to include the boots. And if you do that, I'm pretty sure you'd find Prince's "output" to measure up to any of the large #s you're dropping, easy.




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43. "RE: re: Prince"
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>All of that said... just for fun, we can do a different
>numbers game: compared to other popular musicians, Prince
>absolutely had a much larger discography than most.
>
>30-ish albums, plus an extensive collection of singles and
>maxi-singles, some weird limited release EPs, etc.
>
>Compare to other popular artists of a similar ilk. His
>longevity as an active artist works in his favor here (despite
>his life being cut tragically short), and he released far more
>material, steadily, than similar artists (similar in genre,
>popularity, etc). Few popular artists release as much over a
>similar time frame. Most are frontloaded for 10 years, in
>terms of steady releases, then dwindle (if they stick around).
>
>
>Notable exceptions within pop are rare. Elton's a good
>exception. Bob Dylan. Springsteen. Even many popular artists
>that are considered prolific don't match that output.
>
>No one in hip hop has that sort of run of official releases,
>which is interesting. Maybe once you get to the mixtape era?
>
>Regardless, even if you think Prince's official output is
>"small" (which I don't), he was long known as one of, if not
>*the* most bootlegged artist. Add all of THAT stuff to his
>output, and you easily rival some of the most recorded folks
>you could think of. That's not even a question.
>
>Back in the day, I had CDRs (plural) of mp3s full of live
>shit, unreleased shit, lesser-known b-sides, the works -- in
>file form, not burned to play on a CD player.
>
>If we're really doing comparisons where we're counting
>posthumous live recordings, for instance, then the closest
>comparison with Prince would have to include the boots. And if
>you do that, I'm pretty sure you'd find Prince's "output" to
>measure up to any of the large #s you're dropping, easy.
>
>
>
>
>-thebigfunk
>
>~ i could still snort you under the table ~

In terms of soul and pop culture, this may seem to be a nice sized catalog to some.

Over time that you should see his catalog being in the 100’s over the next couple of decades if we all live to see that transpire.

If we take Hendrix for instance, he died only making 3 studio albums and one live. With the posthumous releases that total is 60+. So it’s not of out the stretch of the imagination that Prince has about 60+ albums to put out.

  

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42. "RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish"
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>between "albums" and "releases," and even what these terms
>mean over the course of a career and how they might vary
>across time and across genres.
>
>Take Elvis. He recorded a lot of music, for sure, but the
>industry looked really different then, in terms of releases. I
>don't know where you're getting 300+ releases, but that number
>*has* to include things like budget records (which were often
>previously released material), a whole lot of singles (again
>with a lot of duplicated material), soundtracks, compilations,
>etc.
>
>He wasn't making albums in terms of *albums*. He largely
>wasn't thinking of his releases as albums, or even as distinct
>releases. (He often wasn't thinking about his releases at all
>-- that was the label's job.) And this is a guy who was
>basically active as a recording artist for like, 10 years -
>the late '50s, and the late '60s to the early-70s. (Early to
>mid-60s are basically soundtracks.) Material from recording
>sessions often went to multiple places. I'm not an expert, but
>in terms of official releases, I don't think he actually
>released *that* much unique music.
>
>Something similar can be said about someone like Johnny Cash.
>Unlike Elvis, he has a number of classic albums in the fullest
>sense of the term, and he was always much closer (as an
>artist) to his releases. But a lot of his discography is still
>very obviously quick and dirty releases, albums that are more
>or less compilations (even if they are of "new" material).
>
>You see this a lot of with jazz, too, in two important ways.
>
>1) On the one hand, folks like Duke and Ella, respectively,
>genuinely recorded *a lot*, and that stuff often got split up
>across different albums, soundtracks, etc. But both of them
>also re-recorded a lot of the same or very similar material
>and a lot of it was, quite frankly, fluff that was released in
>formats that would be considered singles or EPs today, with
>just one or two songs to the record.
>
>Go listen to Ella's early Decca recordings (see:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Fitzgerald_singles_discography)
>--- she released or contributed to dozens of 78s between the
>'30s and the '50s. A good portion of that stuff is, honestly,
>really forgettable. Interesting from a historical standpoint,
>boring in comparison to who and what she became later. She was
>basically working in a recording factory. You can include
>those "releases" as individual releases - that's technically
>what they were - or you can quantify them in terms of hours of
>audio, but no one considers them mandatory or vital.
>
>Or Duke: he's probably one of the most extensively recorded
>artists, but a lot of that was, again, 78s, or a few sessions
>being split up across multiple longer releases, or live
>performances being split up across multiple releases. The
>amount of care and focus that went into every official release
>really varied; some of them were super slapdash, others were
>very thoughtfully curated and engineered.
>
>And posthumously we've seen an enormous amount of live Duke
>material come out (even still), but just because the
>recordings exist... doesn't mean they mean the same thing as
>official projects. Like, I LOVE Ellington, think he is
>terribly ignored today, but that doesn't mean we need to
>sacralize every version of A Train that was ever recorded with
>a mobile rig. Some of those crazy extensive boxsets are
>exhausting to listen to, even as a fan.
>
>2) Similarly, the other thing with jazz: you have a culture of
>just recording and releasing, especially a ton of live stuff,
>both during the artist's life and after they've died. AND
>record labels would literally collect jazz players outtakes or
>cutting-room-floor stuff out of sessions and repackage them as
>albums. (Think: Miles and the Silent Way sessions...)
>
>That wasn't the same in popular music, where artists literally
>had to fight for budgets and label interest.
>
>So it's not always easy to tease apart what was an "authentic"
>piece of the artist's oeuvre, vs something the label whipped
>together, vs something the artist did for some quick cash,
>etc.
>
>Which brings us back to the original discussion point: does it
>matter?
>
>I think it does. If you are going just by literal recorded
>music that has been released in official or semi-official
>channels - like, you can buy it in a store - during and after
>one's lifetime, then sure, we can name people with 100+
>releases.
>
>But that word 'release' is really tricky and (sometimes)
>deceptive. What counts as a "release" varies from time to time
>and context to context, and how releases relate to an artist's
>talent and vision varies, too. The amount of material in
>Elvis's "300" releases that bears his real artistic intent and
>imprint is quite different from someone like Prince. I'm not
>sure that comparing Prince's output to Elvis makes any
>reasonable sense: they worked in very different contexts, to
>very different aims. It's apples and oranges.
>
>In other words, I think approaching this as a numbers game is
>kind of foolish. It elides the place a given "release" had in
>the context of a person's career, and in some cases adds
>things to their canon that they had little/nothing to do
>with.
>
>(Will add another reply in a second, re: Prince)
>
>-thebigfunk
>
>~ i could still snort you under the table ~

So in terms of releases, I am mainly looking at studio and live recordings. I am not counting compilations,, or box sets. So in terms of album output (live and studio) Prince was credited with about 40.

If Elvis is not a fair enough comparison then we could look at an artist like Count Basie who is credited with 260+ studio recordings not sure about live.

Even if we did a comparison between Miles’ catalog and Prince. Miles is at about 100 live and studio recordings.

I am in agreement with the fact that jazz artists put shit out just because, especially the old school cats. Even a lot of the songs are repeated on multiple albums.

  

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44. "the issue is saying his output is average in terms of quantity."
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there's really no verifiable way to come to 'average'. I'm aware that you said average to you.

sure, it seems tiny compared to the folks you mentioned, but again, those artists are not normal.





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45. "RE: the issue is saying his output is average in terms of quantity."
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>there's really no verifiable way to come to 'average'. I'm
>aware that you said average to you.
>
>sure, it seems tiny compared to the folks you mentioned, but
>again, those artists are not normal.
>
>
>
>


As stated above in a previous conversation, jazz cats released music in volumes. Rock n’ Rollers have high release counts also. Jonny Cash is another with a high album count (especially over time). If you look at hip hop, they ain’t releasing music like that. Live recordings… you can forget that about that practically. In the grand scheme of things do we really separate the genres in terms of musical output?

  

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46. "RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish"
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So, I'd like to suggest there's a simple reason for the debate in this post. I think there are two different conversations happening.

Conversation #1: You're looking at artists' output in terms of a hard quantity of "releases," and relating that to an arbitrary amount to listen to for a "deep dive." Because, in your view, that's an important metric for your question.* You're largely uninterested in defining those releases in any way, such as figuring out what's meaningful/not meaningful, or distinguishing posthumous releases, or listening only to "official" live releases vs, say, a bootleg later released through official channels (a la Jimi Hendrix). You're just interested in how much unique recorded audio there is, regardless of its source or its story. By extension, when you're comparing artists in terms of quantity, it's literally just a hard number, not an indicator of value, work ethic, etc.

This is not the way many of us think about an artist's output, and it's a different conversation than the sort we often have where quantity comes up... where we, say, compare the quality of two catalogs as part of a means of comparing artists. There, quantity plays a role but isn't an absolute factor. And in those sorts of conversations, the reasons that an artist's catalog size might differ, such as genre, are sort of tacitly understood. That's conversation #2.

Like, comparing Johnny Cash's catalog to Prince's catalog as some sort of proxy for relating the artists to each other wouldn't make any sense. They're totally different artists, and that shows up in the nature of their catalogs: Cash walked into some of these sessions, which were often lined with either studio musicians or with his long-time backing band, and whipped out a slew of songs, most of which were covers or trad tunes ... then the record company split that up over three records released over a year and a half. Or a cache of them were for an album proper, and another cache for a special occasion record, and other cache for a Christmas record, etc. That was common for certain high-profile country artists of Cash's period (though Cash is particularly notable, in part because his career was so long -- where others usually fade out after a decade or two); it's a given that his catalog will be huge and, because of the nature of his section of the industry, that it will include a lot of projects that quite frankly were not very important.

That approach to record making is pretty much the opposite of what Prince did, where he recorded a ton, but every album was pretty carefully constructed as its own thing, as evidenced by the amount he left on the cutting room floor. Where each album has a shape and a particular sound, a particular band; where it was accompanied by a very specific set of visuals and aesthetic, a specific tour, etc.

But for a good portion of Cash's catalog, that's not really a thing. They're collections of songs that mostly hang together because they were recorded together.

The issue of live albums is another obvious point here: if an artist has a ton of live albums released late in their career, I'm guessing most of us wouldn't think of that as part of their catalog proper; or, if live albums are a big part of a person's catalog, those are going to have an inherently different character and meaning than studio albums. They're different items.

Considered in context (time, genre, popularity, and the nature of releases), if we were having a conversation about quantity, Prince's output is indeed prolific for an artist of his sort. Again, that's not really up for debate. You can grab folks from jazz, or from the high-producing annals of country or early rock, but it's actually really hard to find "popular music" artists who have a similar number of intentional releases, by which I mean mainly studio albums or very particular live albums, released across a similar career length.

I think this is *especially* true of artists occupying the same span of time as Prince (from the late '70s onward). The label well ran dry on acts like Johnny Cash once you hit the '80s; very few popular artists had the green light to just record and release pretty much anything.

(With that in mind, Elvis Costello is a *really* good point of comparison here. He's rightfully considered really prolific for his sort of space, and he's released only 33 studio albums, according to Wikipedia.)

TLDR: The conversation you're having is a bare numbers comparison: i.e. how much publicly available recorded audio of Cash is out there, vs how much publicly available recorded audio of Prince is out there. I think this is still misleading - bc of the aforementioned problem with "releases" as a category of comparison** - but that's besides the point. The point of contention here, I think, comes mainly from the fact that we don't typically think of quantity of releases as a super meaningful variable in musical conversations, especially if completely de-contextualized.

And when you reduce artists to hard numbers in that way, I would argue it elides some of their uniqueness -- in this case, literally flattening what is actually a pretty unique career arc and output into something that is "average."

* Personally, I think it's strange to determine whether or not to a deep dive on someone based on whether or not they meet an arbitrary comparison of releases, especially when that audio doesn't have to be of a particular quality... but ok.

** Basie's a good example of the problem with "releases" as a term -- but I should wrap this up, I might come back later to elaborate.


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48. "RE: i think that there's some need to distinguish"
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So while I am looking at hard numbers in terms of output. I have also mentioned that I am also seeking quality as well as diverse sounds from that artists over time. Most of these older artists have gone on and a lot of those numbers have come posthumously. Let’s just say that if your music wasn’t great to me then it doesn’t matter what the output is.

So in one other post I spoke on hip hop artists and their lack of output per se. It’s safe to say that I wouldn’t consider any hip hop artists to do something like this with because of the lack of volume. There are those that may have only a few records, but it’s high quality. I wouldn’t be interested in putting my ear to just that for an extended period of time

Diversity is key for me as well. Did that artist evolve their sound as their career went on?

Late live releases can be difficult to sort out.

If you take Sun Ra where it seems that those that followed him during that time recorded that set and they’re putting that stuff out. Some of the recordings are pretty good and some aren’t. I don’t necessarily have a problem with those type of releases and I will dabble in them if sound quality is good.

If I made a comparison with an artist like Keith Jarrett, who is still living. We can pretty get our hands on all of his stuff. It ain’t too many bootlegs going around for his music. Everything you see is pretty much what you get. William Parker the same way.

What do you say about a group such as the Grateful Dead? That didn’t releases that much music while they were together, but when they disbanded that have put out a TON of archival live releases. What do you have to say with regards to that with how you feel regarding live recordings?

Definitely looking forward to what your thoughts are on the Basie catalog.

  

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47. "Where did this discussion start?"
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Is this in reference to a board discussion or from elsewhere?

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49. "RE: Where did this discussion start?"
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>Is this in reference to a board discussion or from
>elsewhere?

It is something that I am looking to do. Just wanted to see who has tried to do something like this and get any experiences that people may have had by trying something like this.

That’s all.

  

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50. "RE: So the whole listening to only one album or artist discussion…"
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So I am gonna go with Sun Ra along with the Arkestras.

That will include present day releases by the Arkestra.

Maybe down the road I may expand it to band members that have released albums as well.

There is enough diversity in the catalog for me to not get bored with the monotony.

  

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