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normal35762
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"Did losing their beat collection in a flood/fire affect RZA & Q-Tip's p..."


  

          

for the worse?

I asked a friend that recently and he replied very quickly yes.

  

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I believe so as well.
Jun 14th 2023
1
Well put - I agree. Such a shame, especially for those two.
Jun 14th 2023
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I wouldn't blame it on the flood or fire
Jun 14th 2023
3
RE: Did losing their beat collection in a flood/fire affect RZA & Q-Tip...
Jun 14th 2023
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I'll watch the whole thing eventually, but in the meantime ...
Jun 15th 2023
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yes its definitely worth the watch
Jun 16th 2023
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      I imagine so. I love these interviews. The DOOM one was great.
Jun 16th 2023
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Tip is so good at impressions, that kills me every time.
Jun 15th 2023
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that shit was hilarious
Jun 16th 2023
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Listening to how he made that song with Norah Jones was dopeness
Jun 16th 2023
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going through phases > being able to hear the response and reflect on…...
Jun 15th 2023
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Do we know the actual date/year of the RZA flood?
Jun 15th 2023
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The impact of things like this is overstated, IMO
Jun 16th 2023
12
i agree.
Jun 17th 2023
14
I don't think it hurt them, per se, but we, as fans, missed out
Jun 20th 2023
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tariqhu
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1. "I believe so as well."
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it's like running a race twice. you're gave it your best both times, but you don't have as much to give for the 2nd race.

no telling how many years of beats were gone. it's gotta be hard to recreate that magic and now the timing and vibes are different.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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2. "Well put - I agree. Such a shame, especially for those two."
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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3. "I wouldn't blame it on the flood or fire"
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There are plenty of producers from that era still making music that didn't lose their collection in a disaster and their new music isn't as good as their prime era. When you're responsible for making some of the greatest albums of all time it's hard to top that. Happens to all of the greats.

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Johnny
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4. "RE: Did losing their beat collection in a flood/fire affect RZA & Q-Tip..."
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RZA - probably
Qtip - no

RZA's most of best stuff was before the flood. Didn't change his production style afterward by using more keyboards, synths
Qtip has produced classics after the fire

Qtip tells a funny story of running into KRS directly after the fire on his Red Bull sessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWctL6Pk6A

  

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Brew
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6. "I'll watch the whole thing eventually, but in the meantime ..."
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Thu Jun-15-23 08:25 AM by Brew

          

>Qtip tells a funny story of running into KRS directly after
>the fire on his Red Bull sessions
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWctL6Pk6A

... clue us in on where we can find this part lol.

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Johnny
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10. "yes its definitely worth the watch"
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he talks about the fire around 1:20:00 mark

  

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Brew
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11. "I imagine so. I love these interviews. The DOOM one was great."
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And obviously anytime you can get some deeper insight w/Tip is worthwhile.

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7. "Tip is so good at impressions, that kills me every time."
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“So…I heard you had a fire!”

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9. "that shit was hilarious"
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I could see KRS saying that 100%

  

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13. "Listening to how he made that song with Norah Jones was dopeness"
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thanks for sharing.

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5. "going through phases > being able to hear the response and reflect on…..."
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….those phases is part of the artistic journey

They lost experiments that never got to fully go through the trials of putting it out and reflecting on the impact

That’s a gap in artistic growth

I don’t know if it’s bad or good for any individual but it fkn sucks

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Anonymous
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8. "Do we know the actual date/year of the RZA flood?"
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The most consistent story is that they lost the original Tical in the flood and had to redo it.

I’ve also heard they lost Deck’s album in the flood and that could’ve been the same timeline assuming Deck was getting ready to drop around or shortly after Meth.

If the Tical timeline is correct then I don’t know how anyone can say it hurt RZA’s production for the worse considering he made Cuban Linx, Liquid Swords and Ironman right after.

  

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12. "The impact of things like this is overstated, IMO"
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I guess if RZA wanted to go in a different direction, the flood could have been a good nudge in the new direction, but it was probably coming regardless.

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14. "i agree."
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mainly because it assumes that everything would have played out in a prescribed way had it not happened...when in actuality, infinite possibilities exist...


>I guess if RZA wanted to go in a different direction, the
>flood could have been a good nudge in the new direction, but
>it was probably coming regardless.

...like this.

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obsidianchrysalis
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15. "I don't think it hurt them, per se, but we, as fans, missed out"
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Like, those fires happened during their primes, so we probably missed out on a Tical that possibly meets the expectations that many people had of Meth's first album. And we get more hotness from Q-Tip.

But both producers had cemented themselves as artists and were likely well established in their creative process, so outside of familiarity with their production tools, I don't get the sense that either producer radically changed their style post-fire.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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