First of all, I always hated the term "backpack rap". But, just like neo-soul people always have to put a label on things.
I waited before I said anything about this but Just when I thought he had not done enough for me to not like him, this is the final shovel of dirt on his hip hop legacy.
You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
3. "The question needs to be asked..." In response to Reply # 0
The question needs to be asked if his 'heel turn' after 808's was Kanye dealing with immense suffering and slipping off into something sinister and beyond his ability to manage or if that was his real self and he just didn't care who saw him that way anymore?
As time goes on, I'm starting to think the latter.
6. "You may very well be right about the timeline" In response to Reply # 4
The last album of Kanye's that excited me was Graduation. Anything after that is part of his turn into a WWE villain. When he dropped MDTBF, I was out on him because of his public image.
The odd thing is while he's more famous for being a celebrity, his music is still solid.
But he's been off my 'must listen to' list for a long time.
8. "Power corrupts people. " In response to Reply # 3
I just finished reading this article on Joss Whedon and it sounded like the same story, the nerd/geek gains massive amounts of power/fame/money and becomes a terrible person taking out all the bad treatment they got as a kid out on everybody else.
Once you get the ability to treat people any way you want to and their are no repercussions then you see a lot of people start treating people terribly.
Im a bit cynical about this but I also think that it eventually alls come back to haunt you.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
yeah but we didnt always feel that way. if you go back and listen to that first album... All Falls Down is an amazing song!
and yes the slavery is a choice comment was hard to take but part of me wanted to believe he was off his meds
I dont know man..
You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
11. "We all walk it different but to the same place...." In response to Reply # 10 Tue Jan-18-22 03:45 PM by blueeclipse
Personally or as a fan or whatever....I don't fuck with people like Kanye. I just don't. On top of that.....nothing makes my blood boil more than narcissists and opportunists.
Mental condition or not this dude has gone out of his way more than a few times to exploit people in ways that I just think are unforgivable.
It's the same thing with Antonio Brown. These dudes are CLASSIC USERS. I don't have time for this shit or want that kind of energy around me.
Niggas were defending R. Kelly too for years while he was fucking kids. There's mfkrs still dying on the mountain for Bill Cosby. I'm not saying Kanye is that bad but it's bad enough for me and should be for most people. He's not irredeemable but I don't have the patience for it.
So he may have made some jams but I've been done with this dudes shit for well over ten years and most of the stuff I did like before that I just moved on from.
17. "This man wants to edit a doc that is showing at Sundance NEXT WEEKEND" In response to Reply # 14
...ye forever a menace lol.
Honestly when it comes to ye I tend to laugh off most of his tirades (I did get bothered at the Just Blaze and Talib shots because they're weren't necessary at all) and enjoy some of the music.
That said, I hate that even after multiple revisions the bulk of his projects over the last decade just sounds so unfinished.
20. "That's kind of my point" In response to Reply # 17 Sat Jan-22-22 05:13 AM by bentagain
The arena thing for Donda, I thought, was a brilliant marketing plan He did something similar for the previous album too IIRC Same thing with the doc I didn't know that, but obviously it raised the profile of the release
But my point is, people who claim they aren't fans are still giving him support by posting about him
To be that triggered, to where you actually give him the currency of clicks and views makes you his target audience too... even if it's the result of good trolling
I'm surprised adults don't realize this and just K.I.M.
instead of running to internet sites and making posts about someone they claim not to like
It's actually kind of incredible when you think about it.
41. "RE: Not even sure if I believe him" In response to Reply # 19
>Something about it just came off like he was trying to be >cool because he was hanging with the dumb kids, and saying >what he thought they’d laugh at. > >Can’t even take him seriously anymore. Never know when >he’s genuine and when he’s just bullshitting for a >narrative.
Feel the exact same way
If he wasn't into them he wouldn't have had Mos Def or Talib Kweli on The College Dropout.
That certainly makes this song even MORE interesting now (even at the time, the idea of Kanye having to name drop Talib to impress girls seemed like a stretch) also Common was the only one who gave this beat the type of lyrics it deserved.
I can't be too mad at this, since those backpackers definitely benefited from Kanye giving them beats and guest verses
R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017
22. "wait did you think that common verse was good?" In response to Reply # 21
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHpaLbhk8vM > >That certainly makes this song even MORE interesting now (even >at the time, the idea of Kanye having to name drop Talib to >impress girls seemed like a stretch) also Common was the only >one who gave this beat the type of lyrics it deserved. > >I can't be too mad at this, since those backpackers definitely >benefited from Kanye giving them beats and guest verses
i thought that song was garbage from front to back
(there are some songs on that album that i LOVE, but its full of filler too)
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
25. "I just don't understand people who find wisdom in his words" In response to Reply # 0
I was in a shoe store in my neighborhood (https://www.instagram.com/solemate.nyc/?hl=en) and they were GLUED to his drink champs interview that the owner had playing off youtube on the big TV, and nodding to each other and murmuring yea bro word word facts bro at all the bullshit coming out of his mouth like it was the Holy Gospel
that being said I have a pair of Mono Ices and Sand Taupes (best airport shoe EVER btw), so I'm contributing to his bullshit
>First of all, I always hated the term "backpack rap". But, >just like neo-soul people always have to put a label on >things. > > >I waited before I said anything about this but Just when I >thought he had not done enough for me to not like him, this is >the final shovel of dirt on his hip hop legacy. > > >
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
26. "Haha I have a longtime friend who's like this." In response to Reply # 25
>I was in a shoe store in my neighborhood >(https://www.instagram.com/solemate.nyc/?hl=en) and they were >GLUED to his drink champs interview that the owner had playing >off youtube on the big TV, and nodding to each other and >murmuring yea bro word word facts bro at all the bullshit >coming out of his mouth like it was the Holy Gospel
This kid swears by everything Kanye says and does. And no matter how many different times and ways I point out to him that everything Kanye does and says is doggshit, he just keeps sending me his every word and every interview like *that's* the one that's gonna change my mind. Even though he's been getting increasingly dumber and more insane every year for almost two decades.
29. "I dont think he will piss away his money, and as far as legacy..." In response to Reply # 28
...making an iconic shoe sorta keeps your name going ie Jordan..
kids nowadays think curry and bron are better, but still mess w jordan bc of the shoes.
i think he goes the same route
>And one day he will no longer be either and then people will >say, "I always knew Kanye was a fool". > >That's the best I figure out how it all works. > >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > >"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
27. "First two albums were classics" In response to Reply # 0
Graduation was cool, and I fucked with MBDTF, but it was definitely a moment in time for me album.
After his Mom died and he got with Kim, I knew he was on some other shit. Not making an excuse at all, but basically all bets are off with dude.
Re the backpacker comment, the BOY IS LYING. Either then or now, folks shouldn't lose sight of that.
He is a musical genius but doesn't mean he can't be a gaping asshole. I'm sure Beethoven, Mozart, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, etc. were less than peachy in real time. My point is that 50 years from now, depending how he dies, his batshit crazy will be smoothed out and the music will live on.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
38. "Man really has no character" In response to Reply # 0
Kanye is the type of dude who will say whatever based on who is in the room and doesn't really have a core set of values. Can't stand them type of dudes. No wonder he say Trump as a father figure.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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