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Beamer6178
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"Poll question: Better Ghost Album?"


  

          

Reading his interview on here was interesting. He was going through some shit but Ironman WAS that shit. Just goes to show how much we know.

I loved SC as well, but both he and the writer put it way above Ironman, something I could NEVER do.

I may do a back to back playoff to assess but I seem to remember Ironman had more bangers than SC.

If you don't have these albums as the top two, it's probably best we don't speak lol.

Poll result (39 votes)
Ironman (14 votes)Vote
Supreme Clientele (25 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Supreme Clientele. easily
Oct 29th 2021
1
Really?
Oct 29th 2021
2
^^^Blasphemy
Oct 29th 2021
4
      Pretty Tony felt like Ghost trying to make a hit, "Mainstream"
Oct 29th 2021
5
           Yeah, that album was Def Jam trying to fit a square peg...
Oct 29th 2021
6
           Personally, I love the Pretty Toney album
Oct 30th 2021
11
                RE: Personally, I love the Pretty Toney album
Oct 30th 2021
12
                A phenomenal run
Oct 30th 2021
13
                I'm in this line. The Pretty Toney album bangs
Nov 04th 2021
20
                     +1
Nov 18th 2021
28
What is this about ?
Oct 29th 2021
3
Link
Oct 30th 2021
10
Supreme Clientele is better than 99.9% of all albums
Oct 29th 2021
7
Ironman is better
Oct 29th 2021
8
How many choices this poll need? *One!* (c)
Oct 29th 2021
9
you won. lmao
Nov 01st 2021
17
lol. i can hear that "dinging" sound
Nov 02nd 2021
19
going hard in the paint lol
Nov 08th 2021
22
Its Supreme Clientele
Oct 31st 2021
14
And that’s the reason I think SC is slightly overrated
Nov 01st 2021
16
      Suzie, throw it out the window! Suzie!
Nov 01st 2021
18
      LOLOLOL
Nov 08th 2021
21
      each album was 64 minutes and change
Nov 08th 2021
23
Ironman.. it's close tho
Nov 01st 2021
15
Upon comparative listens, Ironman is pulling away
Nov 15th 2021
24
RE: Upon comparative listens, Ironman is pulling away
Nov 15th 2021
25
The Wildflower lyrics aren’t much better
Nov 16th 2021
26
      oh wildflower is raw as all get out
Nov 17th 2021
27
           everyone has their lines in the sand
Nov 18th 2021
29
When everyone understood Ghost vs when no one did
Nov 18th 2021
30
you know what Wildflower reminds me of? Fancy Clown by DOOM
Nov 19th 2021
32
      Fancy Clown is hilarious
Nov 20th 2021
33
I understand that Supreme Clientele may win out but...
Nov 19th 2021
31
Ironman and it's not close
Nov 22nd 2021
34
Ironman feels like a compilation album compared to Supreme Clientele
Nov 22nd 2021
35
No one said that shit when it dropped
Nov 22nd 2021
36
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nov 24th 2021
37

atruhead
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1. "Supreme Clientele. easily"
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I also have The Pretty Toney LP over Ironman

  

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2. "Really?"
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>I also have The Pretty Toney LP over Ironman

May have to revisit Pretty Toney.

Beat The Clock
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Outside of these joints,
I don't remember much of it.

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4. "^^^Blasphemy"
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Pretty Tony was when Ghost started to water down his rhymes. Its not even messing with Bulletproof Wallets

  

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5. "Pretty Tony felt like Ghost trying to make a hit, "Mainstream""
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album since he was signed to Def Jam

There were still some heaters on this album: Run, Holla, Beat the Clock,Keisha's House


but for the most part he lost that abstract/stream of conscious delivery and lyrical content

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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6. "Yeah, that album was Def Jam trying to fit a square peg..."
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...into the proverbial round hole. There was definitely some heat on it: the songs above, "Metal Lungies," "Kunta Fly Shit," and "Be This Way." But a lot of it was them trying to turn Ghost into the next ultra-marketable Def Jam star.

They actually let him **be** Ghostface on "Fishscale."

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11. "Personally, I love the Pretty Toney album"
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Sat Oct-30-21 09:29 AM by makaveli

  

          

I also love the Wizard of Poetry album which doesn’t get talked about enough IMO.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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12. "RE: Personally, I love the Pretty Toney album"
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>I also love the Wizard of Poetry album which doesn’t get
>talked about enough IMO.

Agreed! Pretty Toney - Fishscale - Ghostdeini - he had an extended run - one of the better rap catalogues of the 00’s.

  

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13. "A phenomenal run"
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Perhaps the best of that time period.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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20. "I'm in this line. The Pretty Toney album bangs"
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<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

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28. "+1"
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Be this way, Kunta Fly Shit, all the joints named above were tight.

Tush was the only outright miss on the joint.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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3. "What is this about ?"
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>Reading his interview on here was interesting. He was going
>through some shit but Ironman WAS that shit. Just goes to
>show how much we know.

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10. "Link"
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https://www.okayplayer.com/music/ghostface-killah-interview-ironman-doomstarks.html

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7. "Supreme Clientele is better than 99.9% of all albums"
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I got **maybe** 20 to 25 hip-hop albums better. MAYBE. So saying that it's better than "Iron Man" isn't a dis to "Iron Man." "Iron Man" is still great.

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8. "Ironman is better"
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And it’s not close

  

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9. "How many choices this poll need? *One!* (c)"
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17. "you won. lmao"
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19. "lol. i can hear that "dinging" sound"
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**********
I should put that in a song

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The avatar is old. And, no, that hat was not a groovy style back then, either.

  

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22. "going hard in the paint lol"
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14. "Its Supreme Clientele"
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Iron Man is a great album but more of a group album of Ghost, Rae and Cap. Also when it dropped I think it was looked at inferior to OB4CL as well as Liquid Swords at the time and didn't get the praise it deserved.

SC meanwhile came out after a lot of mediocre Wu albums, Tical 2000, Bobby Digital, Uncontrolled Substance. You can disagree with mediocre but they weren't the classics we were used to but then Ghost came thru with another classic with SC and back on top again.

Ghost kept it going with a string of pretty damn good albums but nothing quite as good as SC was. Rae had a little resurgence and there has been some pretty good albums since but really the last straight up classic the Wu had was Suprme Clientele to me.

  

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16. "And that’s the reason I think SC is slightly overrated"
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We were starving for some classic Wu so when we got SC after the other second wave albums it was like finding water in a desert.

Ironman came after the two best solos and honestly two of the best hip-hop albums of all-time and while a slight drop off from those two, was STILL a classic.

I think people actually forget how dope Ironman actually is. Every single track is an absolute banger.

SC to me suffered from some skits and I wasn’t the biggest fan of Ghost’s rhyming for the sake of rhyming. Don’t get me wrong, I love SC, but I much prefer his more focused style that he had on Ironman.

  

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18. "Suzie, throw it out the window! Suzie!"
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>SC to me suffered from some skits

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21. "LOLOLOL"
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>>SC to me suffered from some skits

that part seemed less scripted and more authentic lololsmh

  

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23. "each album was 64 minutes and change"
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SC has 10 minutes of filler. that alone gives IM the edge.

And Ghost by far has been the most consistent and reliable Wu solo artist.

But Pretty Toney over IM? GTFOHWTB, respectfully.

  

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15. "Ironman.. it's close tho"
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24. "Upon comparative listens, Ironman is pulling away"
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The hook on "One" encourages sexual assault + Wu-Tang contributions outshine Theodore Unit so yeah, Ironman.

  

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25. "RE: Upon comparative listens, Ironman is pulling away"
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>The hook on "One" encourages sexual assault + Wu-Tang
>contributions outshine Theodore Unit so yeah, Ironman.

Yeah… I’ve heard people complain about the Glaciers of Ice hook but no one mentions this one it seems lol

  

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26. "The Wildflower lyrics aren’t much better "
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if that’s going to be your basis.


https://genius.com/amp/Ghostface-killah-wildflower-lyrics







“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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27. "oh wildflower is raw as all get out"
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>if that’s going to be your basis.
>
>
>https://genius.com/amp/Ghostface-killah-wildflower-lyrics
>
but that's a relationship gone wrong.

One is just random guys and girls.

  

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29. "everyone has their lines in the sand"
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but both have more than their share of ignorant moments... I'm not sure one's ignorance impacts its quality more than the other.

In terms of the original post, I always assumed SC was the acknowledged diamond in his discography. It's too long by a song or two and unnecessary interludes) but, to me, it's where Ghost really honed his style and energy -- he sounds like a totally different rapper in a lot of ways. Beat for beat and rhyme for rhyme, Iron Man doesn't pack near the same punch, even though it's a solid record in its own right.

I agree with others that Ghost might have one of the more consistent long-term discographies in hip hop though. The pure misses are pretty rare.

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30. "When everyone understood Ghost vs when no one did"
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Thu Nov-18-21 09:53 PM by spirit

  

          

Lyrics - Ironman
Music - Supreme Clientele

I love Ghost but when the artist himself can’t explain his lyrics….

I hate Wildflower tho. Ive had rough breakups before but that song is psycho to me

That Redman verse on Buck 50.

Depends on which day you catch me.

But I’ll probably always lean Ironman because I’m a lyrics guy and that Jackson Pollack Kool Kieth style is not my preference. No shade on Ultra (Ego Trippin is awesome).

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32. "you know what Wildflower reminds me of? Fancy Clown by DOOM"
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definitely less vitriol on madvillainy but similar vibe. give it a listen, maybe it's just me

>Lyrics - Ironman
>Music - Supreme Clientele
>
>I love Ghost but when the artist himself can’t explain his
>lyrics….
>
>I hate Wildflower tho. Ive had rough breakups before but that
>song is psycho to me
>
>That Redman verse on Buck 50.
Reggie really showed out on that one

  

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33. "Fancy Clown is hilarious"
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“That’s you if you want a dude who wear a mask all day.”

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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31. "I understand that Supreme Clientele may win out but..."
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I think Fishscale deserves to be part of the poll. I really is quite good.

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34. "Ironman and it's not close"
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Well, as not close as #4 vs. #32 can be anyway.


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35. "Ironman feels like a compilation album compared to Supreme Clientele"
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It's a bunch of dope Wu songs. Supreme Clientele is Ghost's album.

  

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36. "No one said that shit when it dropped "
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At all…

Ironman was Ghost’s solo album featuring the entire clan just like the rest of the members that came before.

  

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37. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>At all…
>
>Ironman was Ghost’s solo album featuring the entire clan
>just like the rest of the members that came before.

Dirty, Meth, Rae, GZA

cats revisionist as fuck

  

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