4. "I don’t know the whole story, but it started with Ellay Khule" In response to Reply # 3
Kweli and Khule got into it for reasons that I don’t know, so I can’t speculate who was initially “wrong” or “right.” Things escalated to the point where Khule made some homophobic comments about Kweli. And then it kept on going.
Myka had said he was staying out of it, because he was cool with both of them. Kweli got pissed that Myka didn’t “check” Khule for dissing him and started saying about Myka as well.
The whole thing died down for a while, until Kweli’s song came out, which also targeted Myka. Then things started to go even more ugly.
Honestly, I find the whole thing sad, at least on the Kweli/Myka end. Like you said, the two uses to be roommates, and Kweli had Myka on the Radio Silence album. Kweli in the past has said how much Myka was an influence to him and how Park Bench People made him reevaluate his whole approach to music.
I’ll also add that this whole situation is sorta similar to the beef five years ago between Kweli and Remedy (Remedy was clearly In the wrong in that one) and RA the Rugged Man got caught in the middle. That one kind of petered out.
6. "RE: I don’t know the whole story, but it started with Ellay Khule" In response to Reply # 4
This is basically it in a nutshell; however, i'd like to add I believe it started at an event somewhere both Talib and The Rifleman Ellay Khule were at. Rifleman was passing out flyers and tried to holla at a young lady. Young lady wasn't too happy about his approach and a scene ensued. Talib, being the great guy he is, stepped in.. Apparently Talib and Khule were separated (I don't think it got physical).
Supposedly it was squashed, but Talib kept going hard online. Khule reached out, and Talib responded with a bunch of his typical gaslighting. Khule got pissed and called him gay. Now, Talib on that "oh he's a homophobe/misogynist/and a tool of white supremacy" tip. Anybody who is friends with him, supports him, or has another opinion on the situation is also a misogynistic homophobe for white supremacy.. Talib also threw in ADOS/xenophobia into the mix. Mind you, during this whole thing he claimed how Ice Cube gave him props (Cube has/had strong ties with the ADOS movement) and Snoop (widely known for misogynistic and homophobic lyrics) is his homie. He also picks and chooses who he accuses of homophobia. He had no problem appearing on Lord Jamar's Yanadamean (sp?) Podcast.
I don't think anybody is defending Rifleman's use of homophobic verbiage, but at the same time, Talib is a troll at this point. 2Mex called him out and made a diss track. I think Rifleman did, too. Both were okay. I think one of the dudes from MOOD made one as well recently. I also think Talib (or somebody who supports him) made a troll IG account of another one of the Blowed guys involved (Mister CR) in which Talib liked all of the posts which were basically one big gay joke, so even though he's this bigtime anti-homophobe, apparently it's okay to participate in homophobic humor if it's against homophobes who are against you. Similar to his whole crusade against misogynists even though his track record in dealing with the opposite sex has been less than stellar (allegedly) (i.e.; Res, Jaguar Wright, Maya Moody)
I still like some of Talib's interviews on his podcast because he interviews people I like.. in depth . I also still love Black Star, Train of Thought, Liberation, and many of his songs, but I feel as if I've probably given his online persona way more energy, time, and attention than it deserves. I need to work on that.
Not a big Rifleman fan, but I do respect his place in the history of west coast underground, specifically his place as a pioneer in "chopping" (double-time flows). Not really questioning whether he's a homophobe or not.
Myka 9 seems to be handling things well. He'll forever be a legend to me. Can't say Talib was totally wrong in questioning his friendship, but hey.. Myka 9 and Rifleman go way back.. part of the same collectives/family.. and Talib is known to be.. difficult. They're all grown men though, so hopefully they work it out or go their separate ways.
7. "He's got a blindspot for so many people. It's actually jarring." In response to Reply # 6 Tue Sep-07-21 03:26 PM by Brew
>Supposedly it was squashed, but Talib kept going hard online. >Khule reached out, and Talib responded with a bunch of his >typical gaslighting. Khule got pissed and called him gay. >Now, Talib on that "oh he's a homophobe/misogynist/and a tool >of white supremacy" tip. Anybody who is friends with him, >supports him, or has another opinion on the situation is also >a misogynistic homophobe for white supremacy.. Talib also >threw in ADOS/xenophobia into the mix. Mind you, during this >whole thing he claimed how Ice Cube gave him props (Cube >has/had strong ties with the ADOS movement) and Snoop (widely >known for misogynistic and homophobic lyrics) is his homie. >He also picks and chooses who he accuses of homophobia. He >had no problem appearing on Lord Jamar's Yanadamean (sp?) >Podcast.
He loses a ton of credibility because of exactly this. He did the same thing with Michael Rappaport on his podcast. Rappaport was defending his "right" to call a black girl "ashy" in the midst of an online debate/argument which had taken place recently (at the time of the episode). Talib backed him, or at least "agreed to disagree" while at the same time defending Rappaport's "process" in continuing to make excuses for the indefensible.
Imagine if that was one of the Project Blowed guys right now, or any one of the faceless trolls he spends so much time blasting online. They'd never get that same deference.
And Talib's excuse with Rappaport was that he's on an "equal plane" intellectually with Kweli so they can agree to disagree but he's not gonna hound him like he would others. Which is not only wholly disingenuous but just a bald faced lie lol. Rappaport's a fucking idiot.
>I don't think anybody is defending Rifleman's use of >homophobic verbiage, but at the same time, Talib is a troll at >this point. 2Mex called him out and made a diss track. I >think Rifleman did, too. Both were okay. I think one of the >dudes from MOOD made one as well recently.
The fact that someone from Mood stepped in to diss him speaks to something I was gonna mention in another post about Talib recently - that maybe he was always this insufferable and we just didn't know as much about it because the internet wasn't then what it is now. But it seems like early-career Talib (i.e. when he was with Mood, BlackStar, and RE) and modern Talib are two *entirely* different people. Back then he was almost shy-sounding/seeming, well-read, well-spoken, an activist but not preachy, etc. Now he's insufferable, injects himself into literally everything of circumstance, can't seem to self-reflect or acknowledge his own blindspots while blasting literally everybody else for even the most minor indiscretion, etc. It's been hard to watch up close because he's such a huge part of my growth as a person and as a music fan more specifically. 2000 Seasons is my favorite song of all time, any genre. Train of Thought is my favorite album of all time, any genre. So watching him act like such a tool these past few years has been tough for me to comprehend haha.
>I still like some of Talib's interviews on his podcast because >he interviews people I like.. in depth .
Yea he's actually really good on the podcast as well, for the most part. Gives the guest room to breathe and answer questions, tell their stories, etc. But also as I mentioned above has WTF moments like the Rappaport interview, as well as moments where he injects himself into stories that don't require him to lol.
https://youtu.be/NzSpIcyUtAk - More 2 Mex. The style orphan comment was funny. I interviewed Kweli a while back and he said him and Myka were roommates (as has been noted already in this thread). I started connecting the style dots from there, Kweli’s tendency to try cram so many syllables per bar Et cetera but Myka does it way better
This guy’s next show in LA is gonna need extra security.
9. "Kweli and Myka 9 have freestyled on stage, its on youtube" In response to Reply # 8
Thats the sad part , Kweli is probably the only mainstream artist that was constantly giving respects to Myka 9 and freestyle fellowship.. the rest of the known podcasters/radio host stick to discussing the usual suspects (jay z , biggie, pac etc)
True confession: I don’t know enough about Mood to know who is even on vocals in that song, but I remember Mood as a group playing a key role in the early career of Kweli and Hi Tek (maybe even providing their first appearances on wax as an emcee and producer, respectively?)