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"Poll question: Best solo sophomore outing from NYC in the mid-late 90s?"
Thu Sep-02-21 02:50 PM by cidolfas

  

          

From Jan. 1995 to Dec. 1999, who do you think had the best sophomore album as a solo artist in the New York scene?

DMX - Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood, Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes... and Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy would be my runners up for the poll.

A lot of good/great sophomore albums came out in 2000 as well, or missed the cut dropping in 1994, so it feels a little limiting.

Poll result (31 votes)
GZA - Liquid Swords (11 votes)Vote
Jay-Z - In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1 votes)Vote
Nas - It Was Written (6 votes)Vote
The Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death (5 votes)Vote
AZ - Pieces of a Man (1 votes)Vote
O.C. - Jewelz (7 votes)Vote

  

  

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GZA shouldn’t be in this poll
Sep 02nd 2021
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Good call on O.C., replaced DMX with Jewelz
Sep 02nd 2021
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It’s his second album. Full stop.
Sep 08th 2021
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Nas, but Keith Murray - Enigma is another contender
Sep 02nd 2021
3
Enigma is a good call
Sep 02nd 2021
4
I love Enigma, but LI doesn't really count as NYC
Sep 03rd 2021
20
      In Chicago, we lumped NJ & NYC altogether anyway.
Sep 07th 2021
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Sometimes I feel I’m alone on this but
Sep 02nd 2021
5
You're not !
Sep 02nd 2021
7
RE: You're not !
Sep 02nd 2021
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Agreed, but it's not an NYC album
Sep 03rd 2021
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      That’s my mistake
Sep 03rd 2021
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All those LPs are disappointments EXCEPT O.C.
Sep 02nd 2021
6
GZA technicality noted, that's who I voted for
Sep 02nd 2021
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RE: Best solo sophomore outing from NYC in the mid-late 90s?
Sep 02nd 2021
10
RE: Best solo sophomore outing from NYC in the mid-late 90s?
Sep 02nd 2021
11
Let me also add
Sep 02nd 2021
12
Yup! Also you better be the one to start the Doe or Die 2 thread
Sep 02nd 2021
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      And you know this!!!
Sep 02nd 2021
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           RE: And you know this!!!
Sep 02nd 2021
16
I Vote For OC's "Jewelz"
Sep 02nd 2021
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RE: I Vote For OC's "Jewelz"
Sep 02nd 2021
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Wrath of the Math… YES!!!
Sep 02nd 2021
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      Same here. Love that album for sure
Sep 05th 2021
28
Man I want to say When Disaster Strikes, but....
Sep 03rd 2021
19
*excuse me* (c) Steve Urkel
Sep 03rd 2021
23
NYC was the qualifier in the OP, I think
Sep 04th 2021
24
      Gotcha
Sep 05th 2021
27
good post
Sep 04th 2021
25
It's a toss-up between Nas's It Was Written and BIG's Life After Death.
Sep 04th 2021
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Monch - Internal Affairs (late 1999) deserves mention
Sep 05th 2021
29
It sure does. Just revisited Internal Affairs earlier this year.
Sep 07th 2021
30
Isn’t that his solo debut?
Sep 07th 2021
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      It is.
Sep 07th 2021
33
Technical question on solo versus one rapper group
Sep 08th 2021
35
The difference is
Sep 08th 2021
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1. "GZA shouldn’t be in this poll"
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Thu Sep-02-21 02:44 PM by Anonymous

  

          

I know it’s his second album but his circumstance is a little different and LS imo is a Top 10 if not 5 album of all-time.

IWW is the hands down runner-up to that out of your options.

OC needs to be in this poll.

  

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2. "Good call on O.C., replaced DMX with Jewelz"
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I was on the fence about including GZA because the criteria is arbitrary

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34. "It’s his second album. Full stop. "
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3. "Nas, but Keith Murray - Enigma is another contender"
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4. "Enigma is a good call"
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Underrated album

  

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20. "I love Enigma, but LI doesn't really count as NYC"
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Certainly not Central Islip.

I wanted to say "Dare Iz a Darkside," but remembered Redman is from Jersey.

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32. "In Chicago, we lumped NJ & NYC altogether anyway."
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We didn't know the difference in the 90s.

De La, Wu-Tang, Rakim, Tribe...*shrug*.
It was East Coast hip hop.

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5. "Sometimes I feel I’m alone on this but "
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40 Dayz and 40 Nightz is one of my favorite albums

  

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7. "You're not !"
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As a certified West Coast Head this would probably be my pick. An almost perfect album with such a unique feel, and Xzibit's one of a kind personality really shines through on it. A classic in my book.

But IMO you can't really go wrong with OC or Nas either.

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9. "RE: You're not !"
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Agreed!

If I look back at albums I listened to the most…

40 Dayz and 40 Nightz and Jewelz would definitely be towards the top of that list.

  

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21. "Agreed, but it's not an NYC album"
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Still incredibly dope tho.

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22. "That’s my mistake"
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I forgot about the NYC part.

  

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6. "All those LPs are disappointments EXCEPT O.C."
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...and no GZA really shouldn't be on there but it technically IS his sophomore LP (Obviously LS is classic)



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8. "GZA technicality noted, that's who I voted for"
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With OC and Nas next closest.
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10. "RE: Best solo sophomore outing from NYC in the mid-late 90s?"
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>From Jan. 1995 to Dec. 1999, who do you think had the best
>sophomore album as a solo artist in the New York scene?
>
>DMX - Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood, Busta Rhymes -
>When Disaster Strikes... and Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy
>would be my runners up for the poll.
>
>A lot of good/great sophomore albums came out in 2000 as well,
>or missed the cut dropping in 1994, so it feels a little
>limiting.
>
>

It's GZA. Its the same dude and its his 2nd album. He got with a sick ass clique and went all out after whatever that first joint was. More power to him. Lots of good albums on that list too.

  

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11. "RE: Best solo sophomore outing from NYC in the mid-late 90s?"
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The reason people are saying it doesn’t belong is because it wasn’t his highly-anticipated follow-up album like the others were for those artists.

  

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12. "Let me also add"
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Pieces Of A Man is a dope album that catches unfair hate.

There are some absolute classics on that album.

  

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13. "Yup! Also you better be the one to start the Doe or Die 2 thread"
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It’s only right.

  

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14. "And you know this!!!"
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I’m looking forward to it for the Pete Rock song alone.

Honestly, Pieces of a Man and In My Lifetime Vol 1 could be all-time personal classics for me if they cut out the weak joints and trimmed the fat.


  

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16. "RE: And you know this!!!"
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>I’m looking forward to it for the Pete Rock song alone.
>
>Honestly, Pieces of a Man and In My Lifetime Vol 1 could be
>all-time personal classics for me if they cut out the weak
>joints and trimmed the fat.

I am right there with you! Really like both albums. Products of the times, in terms of the weak joints. If they were making those albums in today’s era, those corny songs would never make the cut lol.

  

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15. "I Vote For OC's "Jewelz""
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I would say GZA's album is good as well but it hasn't/doesn't got much replay from me over the decades, other than OC's "Jewelz" & Busta's second album all the other albums I don't think I've listened to in a long time.

A few other albums from a solo artist not mentioned above that had a good sophomore album are: Jeru The Damaja "Wrath Of The Math", Erick Sermon "Double Or Nothing", Grand Puba "2000", and Godfather Don "Diabolique".


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17. "RE: I Vote For OC's "Jewelz""
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>I would say GZA's album is good as well but it hasn't/doesn't
>got much replay from me over the decades, other than OC's
>"Jewelz" & Busta's second album all the other albums I don't
>think I've listened to in a long time.
>
>A few other albums from a solo artist not mentioned above that
>had a good sophomore album are: Jeru The Damaja "Wrath Of The
>Math", Erick Sermon "Double Or Nothing", Grand Puba "2000",
>and Godfather Don "Diabolique".
>
>

Double or Nothing and 2000 are my shit!! I wouldn’t think of E and Puba for “soph. albums” because of their group work though. Same reason I didn’t really think about GZA even though he was in the poll and it was an incredible album.

  

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18. "Wrath of the Math… YES!!!"
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I love that fucking album

  

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28. "Same here. Love that album for sure "
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Even though I don’t think it’s as good as his debut, it still has very high replay value and contains some Premier gems. Wish Jeru would’ve stuck with Preemo, damn.

2000 has aged well too, at the time I didn’t love it because to me none of the songs stuck out. But hearing it now it’s just really solid.

  

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19. "Man I want to say When Disaster Strikes, but...."
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It had bangers (title track, We Can Take It Outside, etc) and the undeniable classid PUt Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See. But it's uneven, like many of Busta's full length players. Still...


40 Dayz is a fantastic choice. Xzibit is one of my favorites, and I'm on East coast time

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23. "*excuse me* (c) Steve Urkel"
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I wonder if this post is asking what is the best 2nd album from an artist that came out in the mid 90's or what was the best progression from debut to their second album.

If it's the first, I have to go with It Was Written, if it's the latter I'd go with Jewelz.

Also, where does ATLiens rank in this? It's by a duo so there is a key difference between that album and the ones listed in the poll.

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24. "NYC was the qualifier in the OP, I think"
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If spread to hip hop in general, ATLiens would be a strong contender

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27. "Gotcha"
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25. "good post"
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>From Jan. 1995 to Dec. 1999, who do you think had the best
>sophomore album as a solo artist in the New York scene?
>
>DMX - Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood, Busta Rhymes -
>When Disaster Strikes... and Fat Joe - Jealous One's Envy
>would be my runners up for the poll.
>
>A lot of good/great sophomore albums came out in 2000 as well,
>or missed the cut dropping in 1994, so it feels a little
>limiting.
>
>

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26. "It's a toss-up between Nas's It Was Written and BIG's Life After Death. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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29. "Monch - Internal Affairs (late 1999) deserves mention"
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I vote O.C.

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30. "It sure does. Just revisited Internal Affairs earlier this year."
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When it got back on streaming platforms. What a gem. Monch is a beast. I love his voice too. Hearing him rap makes me happy.

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31. "Isn’t that his solo debut?"
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33. "It is."
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I wouldn't count it either, but I recently ran it back and I like it even more today.

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35. "Technical question on solo versus one rapper group"
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What is the difference between a solo rapper like OC with one producer who produces his whole debut album and a one rapper group like Gangstarr where Guru holds down the rhymes and Primo does all the production?

(This is off topic chronologically because, even if Gangstarr were allowed in this discussion, the second Gangstarr record would be in the wrong time frame for this question, and I apologize for the post jack, but the phrasing of the question made me think of this)

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36. "The difference is"
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No one producer produced OCs entire debut or sophomore album

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