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"New Verzuz (now squashed) Roots v. Fugees"


  

          

BT says nah, but still I wanna know. Who you got?

Me: The Roots. The Fugees are great but I don't see them matching the sheer volume that The Roots got.

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The Roots are the best live show in the business
Aug 30th 2021
1
point. blank. period.
Aug 30th 2021
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Do you see what happened with Jadakiss?
Aug 30th 2021
3
Took my reply.
Aug 30th 2021
4
That’s basically it
Aug 30th 2021
5
Pleasure chatting w/y'all this post is over.
Aug 30th 2021
6
True, but Wyclef's crowd control shouldn't be dismissed.
Aug 31st 2021
39
      absolutely. and lauryns star power is still crazy. between the score
Sep 10th 2021
62
RE: New Verzuz (now squashed) Roots v. Fugees
Aug 31st 2021
7
The rumor mill was doing it's thing but BT said, it ain't happening.
Aug 31st 2021
24
      Thanks.
Sep 03rd 2021
61
Wait what?
Aug 31st 2021
8
RE: reply 3
Aug 31st 2021
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RE: lol w0t
Aug 31st 2021
10
They do 20 songs though
Aug 31st 2021
11
this
Aug 31st 2021
12
Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
15
      RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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      RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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           RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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           RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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                RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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                RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’
Aug 31st 2021
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                They don't.
Aug 31st 2021
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           The Next Movement, The Seed 2.0, What They Do
Sep 12th 2021
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      You talking about going record for record but The Fugees only have one.
Aug 31st 2021
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      LMFAO
Aug 31st 2021
28
      i definitely see your point
Aug 31st 2021
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      RE: reply 3
Aug 31st 2021
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           RE: reply 3
Aug 31st 2021
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                Tell em why you mad son
Aug 31st 2021
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                     RE: Tell em why you mad son
Aug 31st 2021
38
Nevermind :)
Aug 31st 2021
13
      We Outside
Aug 31st 2021
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      Yeah, it’s changed a lot from those early days
Aug 31st 2021
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BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Aug 31st 2021
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      RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Aug 31st 2021
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           RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Aug 31st 2021
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                RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Aug 31st 2021
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                You do realize these go like 20 songs right?
Sep 01st 2021
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                     Scott Norwood could've used you in the '91 Super Bowl
Sep 01st 2021
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                     RE: You do realize 28 comes before 49 right?
Sep 01st 2021
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The Roots are peerless, but that's part of the problem
Aug 31st 2021
34
The audience matters too though
Aug 31st 2021
35
I defer to your knowledge of the audience for the shows
Aug 31st 2021
41
people going on about the Roots live show
Aug 31st 2021
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      Good point
Aug 31st 2021
42
           This isn't 1997
Aug 31st 2021
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                True
Sep 01st 2021
52
Verzuz was never really meant for the mainstream
Aug 31st 2021
40
Something tells me you didn’t read shit above
Sep 01st 2021
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      RE: Something tells me you didn’t read shit above
Sep 01st 2021
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           Y’all are slow as fuck on this site man
Sep 01st 2021
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                point of order
Sep 01st 2021
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                     RE: point of order
Sep 01st 2021
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                          LOL
Sep 01st 2021
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                               RE: LOL
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                    RE: context
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                         RE: context
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                              I would pay money to see Lauryn do hips don't lie
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                                   we would all win
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                                        RE: we would all win
Sep 02nd 2021
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                                                             They could make it a telethon for Haiti
Sep 03rd 2021
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Some of y'all try to dismiss The Score because it's multiplat
Sep 10th 2021
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The Fugees n/m
Sep 11th 2021
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Is this the twilight zone?!?!
Sep 13th 2021
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You obviously didn’t read the thread
Sep 13th 2021
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People were stanning HARD for the Fugees in this thread.....
Sep 14th 2021
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Illadelph Halflife >>> The Score.
Sep 14th 2021
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The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible...
Sep 14th 2021
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      RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible...
Sep 14th 2021
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           RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible...
Sep 14th 2021
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           Have you read the post?
Sep 14th 2021
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           LOL for real.
Sep 14th 2021
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           The Roots have way more "hits" than the Fugees only on OKP
Sep 14th 2021
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                Yooooo
Sep 14th 2021
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                "The Seed 2.0," too, to be fair. But that's really it.
Sep 14th 2021
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           RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible...
Sep 14th 2021
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                Thanks for clarifying that you don’t know shit
Sep 14th 2021
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                Homepiss, you sound mad dumb arguing your goofy point...
Sep 15th 2021
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                     Cool…
Sep 15th 2021
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                YES!!!
Sep 15th 2021
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                     You haven’t read the post huh?
Sep 15th 2021
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                          I read the shit man....
Sep 15th 2021
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                               Can you or anyone map it out ?
Sep 15th 2021
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                               For real
Sep 15th 2021
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                                    What Roots song is EVER going to fuck w/ the majestic BOOF BAF?
Sep 15th 2021
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                                         What’s funny is that
Sep 15th 2021
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                               Oh…ok. You definitely didn’t comprehend it then.
Sep 15th 2021
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Bing!
Sep 15th 2021
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bentagain
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1. "The Roots are the best live show in the business"
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Nobody stands a chance
Lauryn reuniting with the Fugees would be worth it... but I don't see a W

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2. "point. blank. period."
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if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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3. "Do you see what happened with Jadakiss?"
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Anyone vs Black Thought would be like that times 10.

Throw in the band and no one stands a chance vs The Roots honestly.

They can play your song live better than you can rock it lol

  

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4. "Took my reply."
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>They can play your song live better than you can rock it lol

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5. "That’s basically it"
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>They can play your song live better than you can rock it lol


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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6. "Pleasure chatting w/y'all this post is over."
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>They can play your song live better than you can rock it lol

Damn.

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39. "True, but Wyclef's crowd control shouldn't be dismissed."
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Placing his ability to create fun spaces with Lauryn's skill on the mic would make it interesting.

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62. "absolutely. and lauryns star power is still crazy. between the score"
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and the solos refugee camp could put up a strong 20 with no problem. now as was stated black thoughts freestyling is top shelf but like u said clefs crowd control is crazy and he can freestyle himself alil bit. plus clef will make up a song on the spot (guitar, singing, and rapping) that will be pretty dope lol.

>Placing his ability to create fun spaces with Lauryn's skill
>on the mic would make it interesting.

  

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7. "RE: New Verzuz (now squashed) Roots v. Fugees"
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What is the "(now squashed)" referencing in your subject line for your original post?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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24. "The rumor mill was doing it's thing but BT said, it ain't happening."
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So before it really got started, it was 'squashed'

make sense?

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61. "Thanks."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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8. "Wait what?"
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Playing studio tracks right? Not sure anything on a roots album stands up to the best...3-4 tracks on The Score?

  

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9. "RE: reply 3"
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Thought@work
75barz
Dundee
etc...
Fugees don't have that in the catalogue...
+, the live treatments go hoarder
L could pull out lost one...then what?

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10. "RE: lol w0t"
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seriously?

  

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11. "They do 20 songs though"
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Fugees would run out of gas by song 10, unless Wyclef and Lauryn start doing solo stuff.

Fugees obviously have the bigger hits at the top, but really we’re talking 1 album as a group.(nobody wants to hear that first album) Throw in the live element that has become a big part of it, and that’s a huge advantage for the Roots.

  

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12. "this"
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>Fugees obviously have the bigger hits at the top, but really
>we’re talking 1 album as a group.(nobody wants to hear that
>first album)

I don't even understand why someone would float this as a premise (I am assuming we're talking about it because it was actually discussed or something?). If they only really have one album to play... play the record as pre-show music or something, lol...

I suppose you could say Wyclef and Lauryn projects could be brought into the mix, too -- but then you'd *also* be opening the door to Quest/Roots-produced stuff, so that's not going to get you very far.

What they could do for a Roots edition: have them paired with a classic act *and play together*. Let the battle aspect go and just go back and forth sharing memories and good music. I could see this with someone like De La...

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15. "Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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As I said above… if this is a live show like Lox and Dipset then NO ONE is seeing The Roots at all.

But if we going record for record then Fugees would most likely take this and pretty easily.

Did y’all forget that The Roots aren’t that popular?

And why are we questioning Wycelf and Lauren’s solo work? Have y’all not seen these battles? Half of Luda’s set was features that he was on.

Of course they would play solo shit. And no, The Roots outside production wouldn’t work because people would be like “why y’all playing D’Angelo’s record?” as opposed to Lauryn playing something like If I Ruled The World.

And say what you want about the first album but Vocab and Nappy Heads remix hit WAAAY harder than anything on Organix.

Y’all sounding like some blind fans now. Lol

  

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16. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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>Of course they would play solo shit. And no, The Roots outside
>production wouldn’t work because people would be like “why
>y’all playing D’Angelo’s record?” as opposed to Lauryn
>playing something like If I Ruled The World.

Eh....writing and production credits have been in play. Keith Sweat played “Let’s Chill”, Babyface and Teddy played a bunch they wrote or had a hand in.


>And say what you want about the first album but Vocab and
>Nappy Heads remix hit WAAAY harder than anything on Organix.
>
>Y’all sounding like some blind fans now. Lol

I’ll give them Nappy Heads Remix. Roots don’t have to go to the first album - because they made more than 2.

  

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18. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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>
>>Of course they would play solo shit. And no, The Roots
>outside
>>production wouldn’t work because people would be like
>“why
>>y’all playing D’Angelo’s record?” as opposed to
>Lauryn
>>playing something like If I Ruled The World.
>
>Eh....writing and production credits have been in play.
>Keith Sweat played “Let’s Chill”, Babyface and Teddy
>played a bunch they wrote or had a hand in.
>

It’s not going to work the same because of The Roots set-up. Black Thought isn’t really involved in those production credits. So it’s just not going to hit the same as a ghostwriter playing a song would. AT ALL.

>
>>And say what you want about the first album but Vocab and
>>Nappy Heads remix hit WAAAY harder than anything on Organix.
>>
>>Y’all sounding like some blind fans now. Lol
>
>I’ll give them Nappy Heads Remix. Roots don’t have to go
>to the first album - because they made more than 2.

That’s fine. Roots still don’t have enough popular records for a 20 v 20 when we are adding in Lauren and Clef solo. Let’s not act like Clef won’t play some Shakira shit.

I just wish y’all would be honest. Outside of You Got Me, what can The Roots really play that could get a win? Honestly. When we go record for record it’s a popularity contest at that point.

And guess what, The Roots can play You Got Me and Lauryn can go to something like Ex-Factor and still take that round.

  

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DJR
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19. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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>>
>>>Of course they would play solo shit. And no, The Roots
>>outside
>>>production wouldn’t work because people would be like
>>“why
>>>y’all playing D’Angelo’s record?” as opposed to
>>Lauryn
>>>playing something like If I Ruled The World.
>>
>>Eh....writing and production credits have been in play.
>>Keith Sweat played “Let’s Chill”, Babyface and Teddy
>>played a bunch they wrote or had a hand in.
>>
>
>It’s not going to work the same because of The Roots set-up.
>Black Thought isn’t really involved in those production
>credits. So it’s just not going to hit the same as a
>ghostwriter playing a song would. AT ALL.
>
>>>And say what you want about the first album but Vocab and
>>>Nappy Heads remix hit WAAAY harder than anything on
>Organix.
>>>
>>>Y’all sounding like some blind fans now. Lol
>>
>>I’ll give them Nappy Heads Remix. Roots don’t have to
>go
>>to the first album - because they made more than 2.
>
>That’s fine. Roots still don’t have enough popular records
>for a 20 v 20 when we are adding in Lauren and Clef solo.
>Let’s not act like Clef won’t play some Shakira shit.
>
>I just wish y’all would be honest. Outside of You Got Me,
>what can The Roots really play that could get a win? Honestly.
>When we go record for record it’s a popularity contest at
>that point.
>
>And guess what, The Roots can play You Got Me and Lauryn can
>go to something like Ex-Factor and still take that round.
>

Yeah, that Wyclef and Lauryn solo stuff would definitely give them a strong 20. That is true.

I think the Roots got a little more than you’re recognizing though. Hell, wasn’t “The Fire” in the movie Creed? I think some of their stuff is more known now than it was back when they weren’t getting played on the radio in the 90s. They got 2.8 million monthly listeners on Spotify and they haven’t even put anything out in years.

  

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20. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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I agree they’re more popular now but they just never got to Fugees level of popularity.

Shit, do they have a song as popular as Ghetto Supastar??

Lol

  

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21. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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>I agree they’re more popular now but they just never got to
>Fugees level of popularity.
>
>Shit, do they have a song as popular as Ghetto Supastar??
>
>Lol

Lol, man that song was all over pop radio that summer of 98. Just non stop.

I honestly don’t think I’ve heard it since though. I wonder how that one would be received in a setting like versus now?

  

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22. "RE: Hold on… now y’all wildin’"
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I think it would hit today for the ODB feature alone

  

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23. "They don't."
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Maaaaybe "You Got Me" or "The Seed".
And even then...probably not.

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65. "The Next Movement, The Seed 2.0, What They Do"
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not saying those are bigger or better than the Fugees big hits, but those are all well known and hit hard.

  

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26. "You talking about going record for record but The Fugees only have one."
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Even if we bring in Lauryn's ONE good one and Wyclef's ONE good one (we ain't even talking about Pras....)

Ok, after the THREE albums WTF they gon do.

NO The Roots weren't the smash that The Fugees were in their heyday, but in terms of volume, there is no way the Fugees win.

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28. "LMFAO"
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Y’all are really insane.

The Roots would throw on a song that you and I think is a banger like Dundee and most people would like it and shrug.

Then Fugees would throw on Ready Or Not and people would go wild.

Vocab
Nappy Heads Remix
Fu-Gee-La
Ready Or Not
Killing Me Softly
How Many Mics
The Score
Stayin Alive
Gone Til November
Guantanamera
Supastar
Lost Ones
Ex-Factor
Doo Wop
Everything Is Everything
Maria Maria
911
No No No (since we playing that writer/producer game)
Hips Don’t Lie
Rumble In The Jungle (just to end it on some hip-hop shit)

You really think The Roots are going to win a popularity/hits game with the Fugees?

And I say this with both Black Thought and The Roots in my top 3 favorite MCs/groups.


  

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27. "i definitely see your point"
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And yeah, in terms of popularity, you're right.

I guess that's why this specific match-up would be strange to me though ... and why the larger format itself is sort of weird.

Because taking popularity out of the equation, record for record, The Roots take it to me -- no problem. I don't even think it's just fandom talking, I think they just have a lot more to pull from. You could probably do 2 twenty-song sets and still not scrape the bottom of their top-tier stuff. Again, not singles but just their best work. (Fun project, maybe?) Pairing them with another group in that milieu - less hit-oriented but with a solid catalog - makes more sense to me...

But yeah, in terms of sheer popularity and recognizable hits, you're right. I don't know how much Wyclef's solo work really brings to the table but if we're folding in features and Miseducation, you could flesh out a 20-song set for the Fugees that would impress.

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32. "RE: reply 3"
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Jada bodied Dipset with a +20Y.O. freestyle
It's not about hits
It's about what goes hoard live
Def Jam is releasing Jada's freestyle as a single...that moment is now legendary

+who do you think is tuning in to see the Fugees?
Same heads that ARE Roots fans
stop.

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33. "RE: reply 3"
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You can’t be this slow.

I clearly stated that in the live format The Roots win.

Then I clearly stated that if they were just playing records Fugees would win.

And yes, Roots fans are also Fugees fans but you are severely under-estimating how far the Fugees fan base reaches.

The Score and Miseducation together have sold over 40 million worldwide.

I don’t think The Roots entire catalogue matches that.

  

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36. "Tell em why you mad son"
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Why TF would the roots play records?
You're severely underestimating a band that plays every night vs 2 people that don't f with each other and probably haven't been in the same room since the block party.

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38. "RE: Tell em why you mad son"
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I never said they would play records.

There have been two distinct formats to these Verzuz battles.

One they play records back and forth and the other they perform.

I gave my opinion on the potential outcome of each of those formats.

One I said they would clearly beat anyone.

The other I said the Fugees would more than likely win based on how big their records were.

Not really sure why you’re having a hard time following that.

Thanks for wasting my fucking time.

  

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13. "Nevermind :)"
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Throw in the live element that has become a big
>part of it, and that’s a huge advantage for the Roots.

I basically only saw RZA vs Premier and Erykah vs Jill (still thinking it was one band representative just being the song selector-didn't realize the shit has evolved into a whole band battle thing)

  

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14. "We Outside"
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17. "Yeah, it’s changed a lot from those early days "
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25. "BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA"
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You wylin

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29. "RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA"
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4 rounds

1st Ready or Not
2nd How Many Mics? (you just took the first knee-buckling jab)
3rd Fu-Gee-La (you're cut bad)
Final Killing Me Softly (TKO'd at the intro)

What's your Square Roots 4?

  

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30. "RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA"
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Rd 5 - you just Lost One!

Cut the feed

  

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31. "RE: BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA"
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Ha, exactly. These "Member since.." kids gonna learn...

  

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49. "You do realize these go like 20 songs right?"
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Yeah, The Fugees got great songs, and you just listed ALL of them.

Ok, after your 5 songs what you got? Cuz The Roots got great songs too, AND they got deep pockets.

again,

y'all wylin

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50. "Scott Norwood could've used you in the '91 Super Bowl"
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51. "RE: You do realize 28 comes before 49 right?"
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Fuck outta here

  

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34. "The Roots are peerless, but that's part of the problem"
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The Roots have taken the art of hip-hop and made a nearly 30 year career in a genre that celebrates image and hits. They've done that by being one of if not *the* most consistent acts in popular music.

But their selling point - artistically challenging and thought-provoking music that's off-kilter from the main stream - is why they wouldn't win in a Verzus.

Outside of the ten to twelve greatest hits by The Fugees crew, there are literally at least two dozen songs by The Roots that are better from an artistic and aesthetic point of view.

But in a Versuz battle, it's all about the hits and the nostalgia they create.

Like some mentioned the only songs from The Roots that did that to folks of our generation are You Got Me, maybe The Seed, maybe What They Do, maybe Proceed.

The Roots losing in a Versuz is less about their impact and legacy as a band - which is unmatched - and more about the format.

The Roots going up against The Fugees is like Sugar Ray Leonard going up against Larry Holmes. Pound for pound Sugar was a better boxer but Holmes has that KO punch that Leonard can't duplicate.

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35. "The audience matters too though "
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The 1996 soccer moms turned 2021 grandmoms that used to hear “Killin Me Softly” on pop radio in between a Celine Dion song and “Return of the Mack” aren’t tuning into these.

It seems that anyone tuning in for a Roots-Fugees versus is going to know the Roots stuff: My Mellow My Man, The Next Movement, Clones, What They Do, What You Want, etc.....it’s not like nobody knows these songs. Heads know them.

  

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41. "I defer to your knowledge of the audience for the shows"
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I haven't watched any of the events live. Because a lot of the acts were fairly high-profile, I assumed heads weren't the only ones watching. But you say different and I take your word for it.

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37. "people going on about the Roots live show"
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but one of the times I saw the Roots was with the Fugees and Goodie Mob and the Fugees got in that butt!! don't sleep on the showmanship of Clef and Lauryn and don't underestimate the members of the Fugees band. one of the highlights of the show, they had Rah Digga and the Outsidaz kick freestyles over rap instrumentals from the band and then Clef played a guitar solo with his teeth.



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42. "Good point"
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I've seen footage of The Fugees perform and they're really good. Not as good as The Roots, but they're no slouch.

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43. "This isn't 1997"
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The Roots killed a live show...last night
Fugees last show was the block party.

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52. "True"
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You're right that The Roots were the superior act, even in The Fugees heyday. All I meant to say is that after I read the above poster's comment, I realized that the difference between the two was narrower than I first realized.

In the end, The Roots live show is better than The Fugees, while The Fugees Crew have bigger hits than The Roots. It would be interesting to see a Verzus between them, I think many people prefer The Fugees to The Roots.

But that's just me and like I said I don't have a clear idea of who the audience is, so I'm likely wrong.

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40. "Verzuz was never really meant for the mainstream"
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It's for the culture. So MTV spins is not the determinant.

I haven't even gone deep into Roots albums since Phrenology, so I KNOW I'm missing shit, but DYWM, IH, and TFA have A LOT of bangers, with Tribe, Com, Mos, Kweli, Beans

Roots deadly advantage is of course Tariq Trotter.


Guerilla Monsoon Rap
Respiration Remix
Super Lyrical


It cannot be overstated how he has only gotten better and better. His 10 minute freestyle has 14 million views. Streams of Thought have ridiculous fire and dope guest appearances. His series of guest appearances are verse of the year caliber, often making great rappers look fucking average.

The Imperial
Bird's Eye View
Crowns for Kings
Rap on Steroids
Wishin' (remix)
Rapid Eye Movement
Roman Candles
Ishkabibbles
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Catalog is too long too strong.

  

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44. "Something tells me you didn’t read shit above"
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45. "RE: Something tells me you didn’t read shit above"
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>
or perhaps you missed my subject line.

we know WHO SOLD MORE. plenty of fugees "fans" can't even name more than 5 tracks. Primo and RZA played tracks familiar to US but not everyone. Verzuz is about folks who fucked with the artists heavily. Those who do, will recognize.

  

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46. "Y’all are slow as fuck on this site man"
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47. "point of order"
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I do not particularly have a dog in this imaginary MTV-Deathmatch-esque "battle" (because there's a million reasons this couldn't actually be a thing)

but...

I *do* find it amusing/odd that you would be on a fansite for the Roots and when faced with fandom (and their perspective) you go the route of thinking *THEY* are dense for not sharing your opinion about another group beating their group in a contest

that is genuinely funny

its like going to the manure factory and being salty that it smells bad (s'kinda part of the deal idnit??)

thx 4 the lols

  

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48. "RE: point of order"
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It has nothing to do with that.

People just in their own world not following the discussion.

I’m done here.

  

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53. "LOL"
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>It has nothing to do with that.
>
>People just in their own world not following the discussion.
>
>I’m done here.
>
>
the absurdity of your own argument collapses on itself. Absolutely NOBODY is arguing that the Fugees didn't make a bigger more indelible stamp on the mainstream. You are contending they have 20 better records because of "popularity," which again NOBODY is arguing.

That you don't see the inherent flaw in the analysis that the Roots win "live" but lose "by record" with people who actually know who the fuck they are is, interesting...

  

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54. "RE: LOL"
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Context is everything my man...

Verzuz has gotten much broader than "headz". It's become the event for people not really checking for the artists on the daily.

And what "for the culture" moment would be bigger than Ms. Lauryn Hill coming back to perform? Even 20 great Roots songs might not move the crowd Lauryn (and yes Clef and Pras) would attract if they are hearing some of those Roots songs for the first time.

Big tunes like What They Do, Thought@Work, Superlyrical, You Got Me would have to win rounds against the return of L-Boogie performing How Many Mics, Zealots, Fu-Gee-La, Ready or Not, Doo Wop, Lost Ones, Coming Home or If I Ruled the World.


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55. "RE: context"
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People seem real confident that L would even do it
We know the backstory on the breakup and personal issues she has with Clef
She might do it for the bag...but that's a big IF
Given her recent shows...folks might not even recognize Doo Wop at 200BPM with a Metallica treatment

The Fugees have a handful of jamz
If we're talking about opening up catalogues...that would include the Soulquarians, Amy, Streams of Thought, Wake Up, D', etc...for the Roots

Still...not close.

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56. "RE: context"
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>The Fugees have a handful of jamz
>If we're talking about opening up catalogues...that would
>include the Soulquarians, Amy, Streams of Thought, Wake Up,
>D', etc...for the Roots
>
>Still...not close.

so we gone try to forget that Refugee Camp hasn't produced hits for Whitney Houston, Mary J. Blige, Destiny's Child, Shakira, Justin Bieber, T.I., Akon, DJ Khaled and Santana. even Lauryn's production credits include joints for Aretha Franklin, Common, D'Angelo, Nas and Mary J. Blige. yeah go on and open up the catalog



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57. "I would pay money to see Lauryn do hips don't lie"
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Please make this happen
Absolutely forgot about those songs... being that I haven't thought about the Fugees/All-stars in over a decade
Let's keep this post going... I'm dying to see it now
Makes sense for the roots too with end game set to release Q1

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58. "we would all win"
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>Please make this happen
>Absolutely forgot about those songs... being that I haven't
>thought about the Fugees/All-stars in over a decade
>Let's keep this post going... I'm dying to see it now
>Makes sense for the roots too with end game set to release Q1
>

and granted, i've only watched 4 in their entirety (rza/primo, lox/dipset, snoop/X, ghost/rae) but it's always been more of a celebration. the roots would be better suited with a group who has more of a catalogue, there IS no other group "like" them, but there are other groups who have more extensive catalogues as they do.

  

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59. "RE: we would all win"
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Agree with us all winning though the history around the making of the Score/Miseducation would still make a reunion unlikely even with a big bag.

There is a lot of crossover between their core hiphop head fanbases but each of them have outliers (Miseducation era neo-soul vs Fallon era) so it would be interesting to see whos fans are most engaged. The Fugees do play better to the nostalgia side of Verzuz though.

Someone mentioned the Goodie Mob/Roots/Fugees tour from back in the day. That was one of the best shows top to bottom I've ever seen and I think I'd pay for it again.


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60. "They could make it a telethon for Haiti"
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Next $10K donation...and Lauryn does No, No, No

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63. "Some of y'all try to dismiss The Score because it's multiplat"
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That's a bulletproof classic. It's not no Puff shiny suit shit. You only gotta get 11 of 20 rounds in verzuz to win. Stop acting like the Fugees are PM Dawn.

Nappy Heads (Remix)
Vocab (Remix)
How Many Mics
Ready Or Not
Zealots
The Beast
Fu-Gee-La
Family Business feat. John Forte
Killing Me Softly
The Score feat. Diamond D
The Mask
Cowboys feat. Outsidaz
Manifest
Ready Or Not (Clark Kent/Django Remix)
Hip-Hopera w/Bounty Killer
Boom Biddy Bye Bye (Fugees Remix) w/Cypress Hill
Apocalypse
Year Of The Dragon
Sang Fezi
Lost Ones
Final Hour
Everything Is Everything

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64. "The Fugees n/m"
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66. "Is this the twilight zone?!?!"
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Reading this thread really lets me know how bad of shape were in as a culture. In what fucking universe does The Fugees have more overall heat than The Roots. Fugees barely have one album worth of shit. I'd put Illadelph and Game Theory up against The Score and then after that the Roots still have a ton on shit that the Fugees can't begin to touch.

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67. "You obviously didn’t read the thread"
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LOFL

  

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71. "People were stanning HARD for the Fugees in this thread....."
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The replies were on point but the fact that multiple people even came in here with this "hits" logic made this whole back and forth super bootleg.

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68. "Illadelph Halflife >>> The Score."
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69. "The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible..."
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...Fugees have 1 classic remix 12", and a few solid tracks on their 2nd LP ..THAT'S IT


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70. "RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible..."
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And since the basis of this entire conversation is about Verzuz, it requires us to take the potential format, audience, and history of the event into account when deciding who would win.

Since you dumb motherfuckers can’t seem to do that, then we keep getting responses like yours and the ones above.

There is literally not a single person in here who thinks the Fugees are better than The Roots. Not a fucking one. Yet you’re still in here making the same tired point that everyone agree with as if you’re saying something new.

The conversation has moved past who we like better and who is actually better and has gone into who has the big records to win an event like this.

No where on that conversation does anyone need to say that Illadelph Halflife is better than The Score. That is such an idiotic statement at this point in the post.

Illadelph is one of my Top 3 albums of 1996 and I still am reasonable enough to know that playing hit for hit in a battle, the masses are going to pick The Score as winner between those two albums and it’s not even fucking close.

  

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72. "RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible..."
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Other than Killing Me Softly the Roots have way more "hits" than the Fugees if you even want to take it there.

There is no way in hell even in a Verzuz format that the Fugees can hang after like 2 songs....

WE ARE MAKING THIS POINT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. Not because of who we like better or who we think is better.

The Roots can rock a show BETTER and have almost 30 years of material. Stop it.

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73. "Have you read the post?"
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And please list the “hits” you’re speaking of.

  

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74. "LOL for real."
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>And please list the “hits” you’re speaking of.

And I saw some hate about The Score above which is just ludicrous. That's an indisputable classic whether you're a fan or not.

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75. "The Roots have way more "hits" than the Fugees only on OKP"
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Y'all niggas are buggin' in here. "You Got Me" is the only hit The Roots got. Verzuz ain't about who you prefer. Pretty sure most of us prefer The Roots.

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78. "Yooooo"
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I can’t even believe this shit right now.

And HE got the nerve to say he’s in the twilight zone.

Like where do these people exist yo?

?uest knows The Roots ain’t got hits to go at the Fugees with. Only hope is the format being on some MC shit.

And I know people today that say the best concert they’ve been to was a Fugees show. Don’t act like they don’t bring an ill band out. They ain’t The Roots in that league but when you couple it with HUGE records and understand there’s no way for it NOT to be a popularity contest to some degree, then you can start being honest with yourself.

  

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79. ""The Seed 2.0," too, to be fair. But that's really it."
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They also had a couple songs off "Game Theory" that made the rounds in movies and commercials if I recall correctly ("Here I Come" in Superbad comes to mind) but I bet if that got played today at a party 80% of the crowd wouldn't know who it was even if they recognized the song.

>Y'all niggas are buggin' in here. "You Got Me" is the only
>hit The Roots got. Verzuz ain't about who you prefer. Pretty
>sure most of us prefer The Roots.

No question.

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76. "RE: The Roots SLAY the fugees in every way possible..."
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>the masses are going to pick The Score as winner
>between those two albums and it’s not even fucking close.



LOL "bUt wHuT aBoUt tHe MaAaSsSsEeSs!??!?!?!"

When did we start caring what Becky in wisconsin thinks of hip hop? Fugees didn't get as much respect as you're remembering, either... Their entire pop appeal is based on "Kiling em.." which was the gateway drug to Lauryn Hill the singer (who dropped the Fugees like dead weight)... Clef and the other rapper who nobody remembers fell off long before that.. There's your amazing Fugees crew.. Saalam should have left them for dead in late 94.



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77. "Thanks for clarifying that you don’t know shit"
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>>the masses are going to pick The Score as winner
>>between those two albums and it’s not even fucking close.
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>LOL "bUt wHuT aBoUt tHe MaAaSsSsEeSs!??!?!?!"
>

What about the masses? You mean a Verzuz where the masses are literally the ones watching and deciding? That’s what the fuck we are talking about genius.

>When did we start caring what Becky in wisconsin thinks of hip
>hop? Fugees didn't get as much respect as you're remembering,
>either... Their entire pop appeal is based on "Kiling em.."
>which was the gateway drug to Lauryn Hill the singer (who
>dropped the Fugees like dead weight)... Clef and the other
>rapper who nobody remembers fell off long before that..
>There's your amazing Fugees crew.. Saalam should have left
>them for dead in late 94.
>

And LOFL at you trying to act like Fugees are just some pop act. The Score is a certified classic on ALL levels.

But obviously you’re incapable of following an actual discussion so I’m not sure why you’re still in here.

Can you honestly imagine what hip-hop would be if it followed you’re stagnant ass. LOFL… shit would’ve died a long time ago.

  

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86. "Homepiss, you sound mad dumb arguing your goofy point..."
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...lol, you're in here sweating bullets clenching your fists getting so upset too ...I'm very amused



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89. "Cool… "
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Glad you think I’m mad.

Someone calling you on dumb shit doesn’t mean their mad bro.

And you’re wrong as fuck.

  

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80. "YES!!!"
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Who the fuck are we talking about responding to the Verzuz cause everyone I know and even dudes who aren't necessarily "heads" would know the Roots songs before the Fugees songs once you get past "Killing me Softly" and "Fu Gee La" and "Ready or Not". Those are great tracks but if we're talking about a 2 hour or 3 hour session then this is a fucking LANDSLIDE for the Roots after you get past the first few tracks.

That's all were saying. It's not about being some gatekeeper backpack stan. It's just FACTS. Roots got some jams man. Shit you could probably even pull a couple tracks off of Tipping Point.

Now if you wanna bring in the solo Lauryn shit and a few Wyclef songs then they could hang a little longer but if it's straight Fugees vs the Roots for 3 HOURS then it's a wrap man.

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81. "You haven’t read the post huh?"
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82. "I read the shit man...."
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Whether it's live or in the studio or playing the records back and forth......this is not a contest.

You can instigate it all you want and try to be the Stephen Hawking of Verzuz.....this is a straight up and down loss for the Fugees. It's disrespectful to even say otherwise.

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83. "Can you or anyone map it out ?"
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I'm honestly interested to see how you (or anyone) would make this a win for The Roots in this format. Serious inquiry.

I mean obviously no one can actually guess what tracks each group would ultimately play, but I just want to see one good example of what a Roots win would look like in this format to you/someone. 20 songs vs. 20 songs. Shit even 10 vs. 10.

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85. "For real"
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I’m interested in what they think these sure shot wins are.

Every somewhat big record for The Roots is easily countered.

  

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87. "What Roots song is EVER going to fuck w/ the majestic BOOF BAF?"
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....If only the Roots had SOMETHING to counter such classics as "Vocab" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂


  

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90. "What’s funny is that"
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You replied to me but yet none of y’all are going to take Brew up on his question.

That’s cool.

Y’all still wrong.

I’m not the only one saying it.

I’m just the one making y’all mad about it.

  

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84. "Oh…ok. You definitely didn’t comprehend it then."
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All good my brother.

Some of us just ain’t smart.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

  

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88. "Bing!"
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