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"Hey, who really started this rappers singing earnestly business?"


  

          

Drake or Kanye get the most credit or visibility for it. Phonte will rightly point out he was doing it before both and his influence on Drake.

But there were folks doing it, maybe not consistently, before these guys right?

I always liked She Said by Pharcyde because it seemed like Slim Kid Tre was seriously singing.

Who else?

And I say "earnestly" because I am no talking about "Just A Friend" type of singing where the singing is for laughs or parody.



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I don’t know about “first” but Lauryn needs a mention
Aug 23rd 2021
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Yeah
Aug 24th 2021
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Myka 9
Aug 23rd 2021
2
In terms of earnest singing, Park Bench People by Myka
Sep 04th 2021
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Tre from the Pharcyde
Aug 23rd 2021
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Kurtis Blow
Aug 23rd 2021
4
The Sequence
Aug 23rd 2021
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The Force MDs aka Force MCs, Full Force, & Sugarhill Gang
Aug 23rd 2021
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Respect the Diabolical Biz Markie...
Aug 24th 2021
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DJ Hollywood influenced Biz
Aug 30th 2021
18
      Yes, "Let me turn you on" is bascily an ode to DJ Hollywood...
Aug 30th 2021
19
Whistle
Aug 24th 2021
8
UTFO - Fairytale Lover [1985]
Aug 24th 2021
9
Andre is a definite influence
Aug 24th 2021
11
Wouldn’t you name Cee-Lo before Andre?
Aug 26th 2021
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Freestyle fellowship -> Pharcyde ->Dungeon Family
Aug 26th 2021
14
Cold Crush
Aug 26th 2021
12
Anderson Paak so good at that shit man
Aug 27th 2021
15
I love his singing voice, and his lyricism, BUT
Aug 31st 2021
21
Canada FTW
Aug 27th 2021
16
DJ Hollywood
Aug 30th 2021
17
Dayum, this thread is all worth it now
Aug 31st 2021
20
Holy, shit. I was gonna go with Biz, but I think this is the answer.
Aug 31st 2021
22
hm thats wild
Sep 01st 2021
25
Yup Yup Yup!
Sep 01st 2021
27
Also Waterbed Kev....
Sep 01st 2021
28
Ive read about DJ Hollywood for years
Sep 07th 2021
33
Bone Thugs probably the biggest influence on mixing the 2
Aug 31st 2021
23
Bone started in 1993 , with a song called Mary ;-)
Aug 31st 2021
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      I remember reading that Eazy took Bone Thugs to the Good Life to
Sep 01st 2021
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      True. I remember them in '93 as well.
Sep 01st 2021
29
Missy?
Sep 03rd 2021
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First? Most important? Most influential?
Sep 03rd 2021
31

DJR
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1. "I don’t know about “first” but Lauryn needs a mention"
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because she sang for the majority of an album.

She’s the “first” I can think of that did it for more than some hooks, verses, or even songs.

  

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10. "Yeah"
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At the very least, she was the first to validate the technique.

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2. "Myka 9 "
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I am sure Biz Markie or somebody else did it first..

Though in regards of an MC that has skills in both singing and rapping, I don’t recall anyone before Myka 9. Also, til this day I don’t see anyone surpassing him.

  

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32. "In terms of earnest singing, Park Bench People by Myka"
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Sat Sep-04-21 06:28 AM by spirit

  

          

That’s like 93, right? And Five O Clock Follies is earlier, but not nearly as earnest. Park Bench People is basically a blues song.

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3. "Tre from the Pharcyde"
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Mon Aug-23-21 04:29 PM by bentagain

  

          

https://youtu.be/eJunijzmjks
2nd verse.

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4. "Kurtis Blow"
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Mon Aug-23-21 06:28 PM by squeeg

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66q6J6lFRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhbJfhmbrk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE2f6Zzr5PA

  

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5. "The Sequence"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veTPX2TOO9Q

  

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6. "The Force MDs aka Force MCs, Full Force, & Sugarhill Gang"
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...but that's taking it way way back, a lot of the ol' school rappers did sing and rap cause that's how it was but The Force MCs was a dope group of emcees but it's a shame they never proved it when they got signed but I will admit their r&b stuff was good as well.

As far as Full Force their rapping wasn't always good but they had the r&b & pre-new jack swing sound on lock at the time.

I remember buying a Sugarhill Gang album and out of the six songs on the album only two songs had rapping on it, the rest had them singing on it and I was shocked, I don't ever remember even hearing these songs or knew that they sung, but I see why nobody talks about those songs cause it wasn't good, just some average indie singing.

Nice-N-Smooth was another group that did some harmonizing on their songs, they had a group named Pure Blend on some of their hooks but they was just a singing group not rappers but what some might not know is that Smooth B. was one of the members of Pure Blend.

Also someone mentioned Lauryn but they totally forgot about the queen, Queen Latifah she was always singing here & there on her albums.

You can take your pick as to who was doing it before whom but what I want to know who started the "bad singing rapper" trend, cause all those I mentioned above cause sing well, but I think the original poster is getting at who was the one or artists who started the "bad singing rapper who don't care if they can't sing" trend though, and that I can't really tell ya cause I've always hated that shit and still try to ignore it and hope it goes away but these days rap music is a "No Man's Land" where the signed & unsigned are making names for themselves doing whatever they want regardless if it's a trend or not.


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7. "Respect the Diabolical Biz Markie..."
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18. "DJ Hollywood influenced Biz"
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Biz took directly from him.

  

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19. "Yes, "Let me turn you on" is bascily an ode to DJ Hollywood..."
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...it's also his worst single


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8. "Whistle"
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Someone mentioned the Force MD's.. They were
around the same era. Full Force too, if you can consider
them rappers.

  

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9. "UTFO - Fairytale Lover [1985]"
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this is the oldest I can recall off top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skHq6k7a4Ac

might also be Whodini (if you consider doing the hooks on stuff like "One Love" as a qualifier)

  

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11. "Andre is a definite influence"
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From liberation off aquemini, to the last 3 tracks off stankonia, and culminating with the love below album, Dre slowly transitioned to singing. I'm sure that others were before him, but I believe that he set the stage for other rappers, especially those who can't really sing (like dre) to step into that arena.

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13. "Wouldn’t you name Cee-Lo before Andre?"
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14. "Freestyle fellowship -> Pharcyde ->Dungeon Family"
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With regards to influence

  

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12. "Cold Crush"
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15. " Anderson Paak so good at that shit man"
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having good bars and a good singing voice is one thing but combining that with the ability to structure a song around it..

https://youtu.be/WQps2W1rgWI?t=170

story and voice here travels from boastful conscience to regret. with regret earmarked by switching to a sweeter tone? interesting to see them play with it as a contextual device. yeslawd is a fucking masterclass in shit like that.









  

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21. "I love his singing voice, and his lyricism, BUT"
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I don't find him compelling as a rapper. IONO, I just want him to sing.

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16. "Canada FTW"
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Saukrates thinks k-os and himself helped influence if not the world then at least Drake (from a 2014 interview) https://youtu.be/VlhfsrViWC0?t=97

This first video from k-os "Musical Essence" from 1993 really demonstrates the mixture of rapping and singing that was popularized later on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0dqfHE6qU&ab_channel=tekniquethekingpin

  

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17. "DJ Hollywood"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLi1y1tL_-M

Uptown legend. Apparently he was getting too high to get his recording career off the ground. Meanwhile other acts had success flipping styles he brought to the game .

Nice & Smooth incorporated a bit of his style into their work and it worked well for them. Listen to the end of this song I linked then go straight to Nice & Smooth's "Early to Rise".

There is audio of DJ Hollywood rapping & singing all the way back in 1982. Biz Markie pretty much redid this routine and put it out as a single.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP3ZkvWHMYU

  

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20. "Dayum, this thread is all worth it now"
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DOPE!

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22. "Holy, shit. I was gonna go with Biz, but I think this is the answer."
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25. "hm thats wild"
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27. "Yup Yup Yup! "
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28. "Also Waterbed Kev...."
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this joint was official back in the day:

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33. "Ive read about DJ Hollywood for years "
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Listening to those two joints you put up lets me hear how he influenced cats. That’s crazy.

I wonder if him using “ooo tang” as a catchphrase planted a group name idea in the minds of a certain legendary crew who already liked karate movies. Ha.

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23. "Bone Thugs probably the biggest influence on mixing the 2"
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I don't recall anyone doing it the way they did before them where it's fluctuation between rapping and singing the same verse. I'd say Crossroads is as earnest as it gets.

You might be able to throw Nelly in there. Definitely Z-Ro.

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24. "Bone started in 1993 , with a song called Mary ;-)"
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This is my favorite Bone Thugs track

https://youtu.be/RPNCxCa02-4

  

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26. "I remember reading that Eazy took Bone Thugs to the Good Life to "
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>This is my favorite Bone Thugs track
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>https://youtu.be/RPNCxCa02-4
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get the sauce. I just don't get how Bone Thugs & Cube got called out for taking styles but Organized Konfusion got a pass. "Stress" is just a polished East Coast version of what Freestyle Fellowship was doing.

  

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29. "True. I remember them in '93 as well."
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Was just named their most influential song as far as "earnest" singing is concerned.

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30. "Missy?"
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She would straight up have r&b songs and songs where she rapped back to back on albums. And she was one of the ones that got to a point where hearing the beat didn’t let you know what was coming..kinda like where Drake was until his formulas got more recognizable/clear.

To me, she’s the one that usually gets left off of the list and she should be on there fo sho.

>Drake or Kanye get the most credit or visibility for it.
>Phonte will rightly point out he was doing it before both and
>his influence on Drake.
>
>But there were folks doing it, maybe not consistently, before
>these guys right?
>
>I always liked She Said by Pharcyde because it seemed like
>Slim Kid Tre was seriously singing.
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>Who else?
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>And I say "earnestly" because I am no talking about "Just A
>Friend" type of singing where the singing is for laughs or
>parody.
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31. "First? Most important? Most influential?"
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I mean, I think Kanye then Drake are the most significant influences on the folks who do it now.

Missy and Lauryn Hill and to a lesser extent Cee-Lo did it in their day, but for Missy and Lauryn it was also mixed up in sexism around rap and R&B.

In terms of blending it seamlessly with rapping, certainly Bone Thugs and Freestyle Fellowship.

There are a lot of tributaries. No doubt though that Kanye and Drake are the primary source of nearly everyone doing it now.

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