10. "RE: Haha mannnn seriously !!!" In response to Reply # 7
>When is this fucking trend gonna end. Been over a decade at >this point.
Agreed, it's fine for 1-2 songs and interludes but whole/most albums done this way is weird and I can't help but wonder if it's because they don't know how to properly hook up drums and hide behind it being a "style" or artistic choice.
__ I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!
Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno
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14. "It's Just A Trend Cause Hip-Hop Music Is Nomad's Land Now" In response to Reply # 10
>I can't help but wonder if it's because they >don't know how to properly hook up drums and hide >behind it being a "style" or artistic choice.
I would think the same but you got producers who make dope beats with drums like Alchemist doing this trend as well knowing damn he should be ashamed of doing what I call lazy loops.
With rappers like K.A. and Roc Marciano basically getting more attention off of rhyming over drum-less beats, than rhyming over boom bap joints, they feel no need to go back to it right now.
This is why I was so sad when J-Dilla died right after he did those three "soul chops" aka the famous "donuts" style, cause everybody held on to that style like a sex addict hungry for cum; now people are calling it chillwave rap but even some of those beats have drums, at least they have some good bass lines to go with these drum-less tracks.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
8. "These beats need to stop. They suck." In response to Reply # 0
I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but he's such a dope MC. His lines are so vivid and smart. I know he probably wants his words to stand above everything else but this is NOT the way.
It sucks because I really want to listen to dude but musically it's aggressively boring. Maybe release the albums as acapella?
9. "“Kick some grown man raps!!”" In response to Reply # 0
Sorry thought this was another Tanya Morgan post since that was the catchphrase of the new album, lol.
As for this I have to agree with those saying it was lyrically strong but musically boring. And I’m not a “it HAS to have drums” guy at all. But there just wasn’t enough going on there for me. Will further check for him though.
11. "This sounds like spoken word poetry " In response to Reply # 0
Not only aren’t there drums there, the rhymes don’t even seem like they were formatted with a drum pattern in mind. This is spoken word to me, not emceeing.
12. "I'm not saying there are no fire songs" In response to Reply # 0
'Sad to Say' works on all levels. 'I notice' is dope, minimalism and all. 'We living' is pretty good. 'Enough Praise'=fire. 'Be Grateful' is also dope.
48. "You need to stop. Your gate-keeping is not appreciated." In response to Reply # 46
...or needed. Neither hip-hop, nor blackness, nor KA or his music needs your negativity on this forum. Please keep the discussion about the music. ANYONE is allowed to have an opinion on the art.
Do you like the drum-less beats? Do you like the rhymes? why? Why not? Let's keep the conversation in that key.
51. "Seems to me SP1200 just doesn't like the new KA album." In response to Reply # 49
Then you accused him of trying to dictate what "black art" is. To me that sounds like you are saying that you are the arbiter of what black art is and that you have decided that his opinion is irrelevant. I would interpret that as negative. It would also upset me too if someone tried to discount my opinion in that way. This discussion devolves from there.
Why can't you just point out that sometimes drums aren't needed and possibly why you like the album.
Do you even like the album? What are your favorite songs? Do you think the album would be better with some harder drums? I feel like the exchange stopped being about the merits of the music.
Isn't the general discussion forum for the place for that sort of thing? (if there is a place for it at all)
52. "your reading comprehension has failed you" In response to Reply # 51 Wed Dec-08-21 11:40 AM by atruhead
he didnt say "I dont like it", he went so far as to call it trash
full disclosure, I dont love much rap without drums. but I respect the artist's vision, especially when they're of Ka's caliber
>Then you accused him of trying to dictate what "black art" >is.
my exact words were "maybe stop trying to dictate what black art should be as a white man"
the same thing happened with To Pimp A Butterfly, it wasnt music that made most white rap fans comfortable enough and they dismissed it
To me that sounds like you are saying that you are the >arbiter of what black art is and that you have decided that >his opinion is irrelevant.
how is me cordially addressing a white person's limits on what constitutes as "good" black music trying to be an arbiter?
I would interpret that as negative. >It would also upset me too if someone tried to discount my >opinion in that way. This discussion devolves from there.
I wasnt angry, confrontational or anything of the sort. I gave him something to consider, his whiteness took offense.
If I cant confront issues of race on a message board started by The Roots, I dont know what the fuck is going on
54. "your narrative is a lie that borders on delusional" In response to Reply # 53 Wed Dec-08-21 01:09 PM by atruhead
Im not in GD much and Im in the Lesson even less, you cant pull up any other post where Im remotely close to being a guardian of hip hop
>and an insufferable holier than thou self-righteous race >warrior who thinks only black people can listen to hip hop and >critique it.
was my issue critique or was my issue you and a white man saying "this is trash because it doesnt sound like what I want to hear"?
>if you were a mod in the lesson it would have died years ago. >thank god for fire and tone.
lol no comment
>and it's not just me. others see it too. do better, dont be >bitter.
"others see it too" sounds like you're reaching. it's also sketchy to catch feelings about a black person speaking up when others arent exercising care about black culture, but dont let me stop you
all of that aside, you've had a one sided beef with me for maybe a decade now. I dont know or care about what your problem is, I've grown past insults and nonsense
71. "you've been this way for a decade now, maybe thats why" In response to Reply # 54
there are multiple people in here telling you youre being annoying, but youre still too obtuse to take heed and change.
>all of that aside, you've had a one sided beef with me for >maybe a decade now. > > >
and it clearly rankled you because all I did was laugh at someone else who was fed up of your pretentious self-appointed dart adams of okp ass, and led us to this long back and forth. which i am now ending.
again, dont be bitter. do better.
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73. "as long as we agree this issue is one sided" In response to Reply # 71
>and it clearly rankled you because all I did was laugh at >someone else who was fed up of your pretentious self-appointed >dart adams of okp ass, and led us to this long back and forth. >which i am now ending.
you post, it doesnt affect me
I post, you're moved to comment and throw shots my way, for some time now
I guess you're satisfied with having my attention, congrats
56. "RE: white guy: black music is bad if it doesnt have what I like in it" In response to Reply # 55
>"atruhead: Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom" >Bwaaaahaaahaaaa!!!! > >But for real, how about you, a man, not dicktate how eating a >dick should sound. > >Peace >Doitall76
maybe you, as someone who has never performed standup comedy in front of a live audience, should stop cracking jokes on this message board.. it's just.. not.. right 😠 🤣
57. "RE: white guy: black music is bad if it doesnt have what I like in it" In response to Reply # 56
Wow!
I thought atruhead was the only sensitive on this thread. Didn't know it was that serious for you dog. I simply liked your comment, and am not a fan of atruhead's sensitive gatekeeper spirit on this thread. But I will stay out of your way, my dude.
I am in agreement with SP1200's statement, as I said yesterday in entries 34 and 43 at the bottom of this post.
58. "RE: white guy: black music is bad if it doesnt have what I like in it" In response to Reply # 57
>Wow! > >I thought atruhead was the only sensitive on this thread. >Didn't know it was that serious for you dog. I simply liked >your comment, and am not a fan of atruhead's sensitive >gatekeeper spirit on this thread. But I will stay out of your >way, my dude. > >I am in agreement with SP1200's statement, as I said yesterday >in entries 34 and 43 at the bottom of this post. > >Peace >Doitall76
I was making fun of atruheads original reply to me.. I'm having a blast in this post.. you killed it with the "Dicktate" line btw.. Imagine that guy so sensitive because someone else prefers songs with drums.. too funny
62. " now you're spinning the truth" In response to Reply # 58
Imagine that guy so sensitive because >someone else prefers songs with drums.. too funny
Im actually the least sensitive one in the discussion.
I wouldnt have had anything to say if your stance was "I dont prefer this sound of his", you said "this is trash" which reeks of entitlement i.e. "(black) artists should create what I want to hear"
race definitely factors in and Im not to blame for pointing it out.
64. "RE: now you're spinning the truth" In response to Reply # 62
> Imagine that guy so sensitive because >>someone else prefers songs with drums.. too funny > >Im actually the least sensitive one in the discussion. > >I wouldnt have had anything to say if your stance was "I dont >prefer this sound of his", you said "this is trash" which >reeks of entitlement i.e. "(black) artists should create what >I want to hear" > >race definitely factors in and Im not to blame for pointing it >out.
My man..
Not only do I not care what you think. I consider you one of the least knowledgeable and least interesting people on this board.
68. "RE: I wonder if the album might grow on you" In response to Reply # 66
I feel you.
I feel like this is just a sub-genre/style of hip hop that I just don't get drawn to. When it is a singular song on an album, I listen to it once, appreciate the dope lyrics and the structure of the rhyme, but the song typically gets skipped on the subsequent listens.
I can totally appreciate the lyricism, but for "me" it is lacking in replay value for "me".
As I think about it, and as blasphemous as it sounds, I don't know if I would've replayed Black Thought's FunkFlex freestyle as many times if it was just a loop with no drums. I need there to be a bounce to it, and drums create that.
72. "i never even heard the album.. just the one song posted here..." In response to Reply # 68
...to be honest though, songs without drums is just sleepytime for me
and doitall76, my bad, i can't tell if you were joking back with me or serious, but i wasn't snapping at you in #56 ..it was all jokes hence the laughing emoji at the end
Anyway.. I agree with you on the relay thing as well..
>Wow! > >I thought atruhead was the only sensitive on this thread. >Didn't know it was that serious for you dog. I simply liked >your comment, and am not a fan of atruhead's sensitive >gatekeeper spirit on this thread. But I will stay out of your >way, my dude.
65. "lol! did this side thread just become too meta." In response to Reply # 57
I guess that's just a problem with the internet. Hard to tell when you are actually having a conversation, or if someone is joking, or if you're just in a nonsense spat with a troll.
76. "RE: lol! did this side thread just become too meta." In response to Reply # 70
>I feel like the Jay-Z line, > >“A wise man told me don't argue with fools. Cause people >from a distance can't tell who is who.” > >is completely applicable in this thread.
or just the Internet in general.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
22. "This is fire. I denounce and renounce my previous statements." In response to Reply # 0
I was wrong. This is perfect as is. It all melds together just as it should. His words really do need to shine above the beats it's a different type of experience from anything else.
I'd suggest anyone who wasn't really feeling it give it a few more spins. If you still don't like it after that just google an Otolaryngologists in your area and make an appointment at your convenience.
23. "aka ' i got really drunk / high and its not so bad when im fucked up' " In response to Reply # 22
this shit steaming trash compared to his earlier albums...
him and roc suffer from the same drumless pussy beat selection virus
>I was wrong. This is perfect as is. It all melds together >just as it should. His words really do need to shine above the >beats it's a different type of experience from anything else. > > >I'd suggest anyone who wasn't really feeling it give it a few >more spins. If you still don't like it after that just google >an Otolaryngologists in your area and make an appointment at >your convenience. >
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24. "RE: This is fire. I denounce and renounce my previous statements." In response to Reply # 22
Signed in basically to say your replies have been a wonderful subplot to this post. It's dope to watch someone's mind change in real time, regardless of context.
26. "Not sure what you mean by that" In response to Reply # 25
It's music for grown men made by a grown man. The content wouldn't really change that. Grown men listen to wu-tang. Grown men are big fans of biggie. Grown men are fans of mobb deep as well I think. Hence, grown man rap. It is rap that grown men are likely to enjoy.
Is rap only allowed to be grown man rap if it's about 403b retirement accounts?
29. "right, it implies everything that came out between Kas last album" In response to Reply # 28
and this album is "children's rap" or something not as mature, when in fact, all those albums are better than this one lol
>So I'm thinking there must be something different about this >from what's been out there. > >If grown man rap it's just rap made by males over a certain >age, I don't think it ever went anywhere. In fact, that makes >the post title rather odd.
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38. "Jeez. I thought KA was one of the most purely likable rappers out" In response to Reply # 0
I'm attributing the annoyance in this post to the fact that most of y'all can tell you'd love his albums without reservation if they just had drums like you want. Because the rhymes and samples are on point.
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42. "The post title was a turnoff for me" In response to Reply # 38 Tue Dec-07-21 02:41 PM by Oak27
It kinda reeks of condescension. Like, if I were to guess, this dude definitely used the phrase "hip hop is dead" in the mid-2000s lol.
But as far as the music goes, I've actually really warmed up to the drumless trend recently. A Ka track featuring Roc Marciano ("Sins of a Father") came up on Spotify and I'm super into it, but just haven't gotten into his catalog yet.
43. "RE: The post title was a turnoff for me" In response to Reply # 42
Warning - This may not be a fully vetted thought, more stream of thought.
I feel like beats without drums, and with darker samples are akin to "Emo-Rap / Depressed Mood Rap". There is such a small amount of time that I want to be in that head space that I rarely hits me as something that I want to listen to.
This is not a knock to his lyricism, but this is just how I feel about the vibe.
59. "My first Ka album, wasn't into it. " In response to Reply # 0 Wed Dec-08-21 02:25 PM by Oak27
Like I mentioned in a previously reply, I've really warmed up to the drumless wave, to a point I'd say I'm a big fan, enough to have a Spotify playlist accumulating with these tracks specifically.
The thing with drumless beats is that they are so minimalistic and empty that the rapper really needs to have a presence/charisma/energy to fill the void. Ka doesn't have that to me. His voice is very deep and monotone, and the combo of that and the lack of oomph from the beats results in me getting bored and checking out. It doesn't matter what he's actually saying, it could be revolutionary and the grownest of "grown man rap", it's a chore for me to pay attention enough.
All that said, Roc Marciano was a rapper I was sleeping on for years (figurative and literally, I'd joke his music put me to sleep) but he just recently clicked for me. But what clicked for me was his ability to really paint a landscape with his raps and really draw me into his world, I'm not getting that from Ka.
For full context, as a hip hop listener (and music listener in general) production/delivery is way more important then content. If all a rapper offers is deep, meaningful lyrics with clever wordplay and rhyme schemes but the music and delivery is meh, I may as well just digest the music via rapgenius.
63. "I'll give it a shot " In response to Reply # 61
On top of Marciano I've slowly turned a corner on Boldy as well (who you've constantly championed for in Griselda threads) so I'm certainly not confident Ka is not a dude I won't ever get into.
77. "RE: see, I have yet to come around on Roc" In response to Reply # 75
>I don't, no matter how many times I've tried, I can't get into >Roc. I'm also not a fan of his delivery. > >It could just be I haven't found the project that clicks.
Reloaded is the Roc project that recently turned me around. It's not even new, I just never checked it out in full because Marcberg wasn't enjoyable to me (I still have to go back at some point).
What really started my warming up on Roc was enjoying his production on the Stove God Cooks album from last year as well as some songs on his album that dropped a few months after that ("Pimps Don't Wear Rabbits" in particular)
>Couldn't get into Boldy until Sterling and it made me hot he >wasn't getting more love in context of other artists. And he's >had a hellofa run since.
Real Bad Boldy was the first of his projects I actually enjoyed, which oddly enough was his least popular among his fanbase last year. Since then I'm been digging Bo Jackson and went back and revisited The Price of Tea in China and Manger on McNichols. I still favor the Griselda squad and a handful of other rappers in the same space, but he's starting to click with me.
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