Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Sat Aug-07-21 11:18 PM
3. "It's A Ton Of Them I Like To Listen To But They Aren't Super Lyrical" In response to Reply # 0
...just very entertaining to listen to, I'll post ten: Lil' Dap, T3, Big Noyd, Moka Only, Saukrates, Ed O.G., Freddie Foxxx, Declaime, Frank Nitty, & Kool Keith.
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11. "Madlib" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Aug-09-21 12:48 PM by Johnny
i love his raps listened to the Lootpack a few weeks ago Then pulled up that Supreme Team 12" with Karriem Riggins Madlib was always dope to me I love that early madlib era
Warren G. Actually he’s not even considered “mid” as a rapper. But I like him.
Joe Scudda. I think he was better than “mid” but I think consensus was he was ok at best? Guess that’s the point here. I thought he was nice. He certainly had his moments.
Is CL Smooth considered mid? Because he’s one of my favorites.
Tiger Woods Member since Feb 15th 2004 18385 posts
Tue Aug-10-21 12:04 PM
20. "listening to old Ludacris is a blast " In response to Reply # 0
He’s like a down South Redman, probably a little less sophisticated a rapper technically but same premise - personality first, but with obvious effort.
Those first 3 Ludacris albums are full of awesome songs. And he also killed like EVERY feature during that time period.
These days I actually enjoy lots of not terribly technically impressive rappers as long as they're coming from an interesting/honest place. I thought The Streets was garbage when I first heard him and just now am coming around to really enjoying his stuff. (Tangent: on his first album, I actually think you can hear a lot of similarity between his delivery and Billy Wood's current delivery)
---- I check for: Serengeti, Zeroh, Open Mike Eagle, Jeremiah Jae, Moka Only.
33. "Phife for sure. I know that's blasphemous to some but ..." In response to Reply # 32
... he's an MC who never had the insane lyrical wordplay or technical skill of some of his peers but just had that *it* factor that even a lot of the most technically skilled rappers lack, from his generation or otherwise.
In other words he's a hip-hop legend and all time great MC, even though his bars don't necessarily stack up against most of the great lyricists of all time.
I'd have to take more time to consider where Tip stacks up. He's a more complicated case (for lack of a better term) in so many ways.
34. "Another blasphemous entry is Guru." In response to Reply # 33 Wed Aug-11-21 10:34 PM by Brew
I hate speaking "ill" of dead legends like this, specifically two in a row lol.
But Guru is a lot like Phife in that he's a legend, part of one of the best and most important groups in hip-hop history, and a GREAT MC in his own right ...
... but his *bars* don't necessarily stack up against other technically great MCs IMO.
I'd argue that Guru stood out primarily because he was mature, deep, and poetic. Which in many cases matters far more than being the most "technically impressive" on the mic, as it were.
I hope both these posts come off as complimentary to Phife and Guru because they're meant to be lol.
35. "I wouldn't call Guru mid" In response to Reply # 34
As you said, Guru (and Tip) weren't lyricists, at least not in the sense that they got their success solely because they were gifted with wordplay or their vocabulary.
I guess he's as mid as Q-Tip, someone else I'm not quite sure qualifies.
But to me mid is someone whose work isn't remarkable.
So to me, Cannibus is a mid-rapper even though as a lyricist he was at a level much higher than Guru or Tip. Same with Aesop Rock.
Guru and Tip have classic songs and remarkable moments as MC's. I don't think that qualifies as mid.
45. "RE: neither Tip nor Guru are mid" In response to Reply # 34
>... but his *bars* don't necessarily stack up against other >technically great MCs IMO. >
I don't know about this one, he kills all his spots against top tier emcees. hell his verse on Above the Clouds was so good people still don't think he wrote it. but I get what you're saying though
>I'd argue that Guru stood out primarily because he was mature, >deep, and poetic. Which in many cases matters far more than >being the most "technically impressive" on the mic, as it >were. >
he also had a style that nobody but him could pull off. think about all those guys from the early 90's that tried to rap like vibraphones and shit, none of them made it. he also has a damn near untouchable catalogue, especially in a group setting-5 undoubtedly incredible albums that he mostly held down himself. we honestly take him for granted.
>I hope both these posts come off as complimentary to Phife and >Guru because they're meant to be lol.
they do, I don't doubt you're being sincere
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50. "Yea we're on the same page." In response to Reply # 45
>>... but his *bars* don't necessarily stack up against other >>technically great MCs IMO. >> > >I don't know about this one, he kills all his spots against >top tier emcees. hell his verse on Above the Clouds was so >good people still don't think he wrote it. but I get what >you're saying though
Agreed ! But I think he kills those spots because he's endlessly talented in all the other ways, not necessarily because he had the best *bars*, if that makes sense ?
>>I'd argue that Guru stood out primarily because he was >mature, >>deep, and poetic. Which in many cases matters far more than >>being the most "technically impressive" on the mic, as it >>were. >> > >he also had a style that nobody but him could pull off. think >about all those guys from the early 90's that tried to rap >like vibraphones and shit, none of them made it. he also has a >damn near untouchable catalogue, especially in a group >setting-5 undoubtedly incredible albums that he mostly held >down himself. we honestly take him for granted.
No question about it. That's what made him great - the fact that no one else could possibly sound like him no matter how hard they tried.
>>I hope both these posts come off as complimentary to Phife >and >>Guru because they're meant to be lol. > >they do, I don't doubt you're being sincere
46. "tip and guru just arent lyrical miracle guys but they are both great mcs" In response to Reply # 34
but i personally dont equate being a top tier mc with being a rappity rap guy so theres that...but like a few other ppl said maybe we need a solid definition of top vs mid mcs
>RE: tip and guru just arent lyrical miracle guys but they are both great mcs >but i personally dont equate being a top tier mc with being a >rappity rap guy so theres that...
Yea neither do I. That was the point I was trying to get across in my typically wordy way haha.
61. "Q-tip is a top tier MC" In response to Reply # 32
Tip is a gifted and prolific emcee, not many rappers can release classic-level material after 20 years in the game. Tip did that with the Renaissance and nearly a decade afterwards, he reunited with his legendary group to release a fantastic Tribe album.
Always enjoyed his verses or solo tracks on Mecca + Main Ingredient.
Soul Brother #1, In The Flesh, Mind Blowin, the InI album, and the Shut em Down remix it feels like he was like this beat is TOO good for me not to spit a quick verse on this..
Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Mon Aug-16-21 07:34 PM
60. "Yeah Pete Rock Is Definitely Mid-Tier Rapper" In response to Reply # 57
He got the voice & flow but lyrically he's just good not amazing, he knows how to ride the beat, has a few good one liners once in a while, but he's enjoyable to listen to over his own beats.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
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