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obsidianchrysalis
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"Why are there no successors to The Roots?"


  

          

It's odd how popular live instrumentation during concerts has gotten yet there is not a hip hop (that I know of. I could be very mistaken) that uses live instruments as part of their standard sound besides The Roots. I guess you could count Robert Glasper. But that group doesn't have an MC perse, like Thought. He just has MCs rotate in and out of the lineup.

Granted, The Roots is made up of some legendary musicians who have touched many genres with great music. So, the likelihood of a group meeting with not only the interest but the talent and skill to pull off what The Roots do is very small.

But you'd figure some aspiring hip-hop head would pull his boys (and gals) together and form a group.

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The Foundation
Apr 17th 2021
1
Hadn't heard of them
Apr 17th 2021
2
RE: The Foundation
Apr 19th 2021
6
RE: The Foundation
Apr 22nd 2021
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      RE: The Foundation
Apr 27th 2021
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           RE: That's it
Apr 27th 2021
29
I think they may have disbanded
Apr 29th 2021
31
Because it's much harder to assemble a group of musicians
Apr 18th 2021
3
Good point
Apr 18th 2021
4
If The Roots happened today...
Apr 19th 2021
10
      The Internet is doing that.
Apr 22nd 2021
15
           Agreed. Good example.
Apr 26th 2021
19
Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways.
Apr 19th 2021
5
RE: Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways.
Apr 29th 2021
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Nobody wants to grind that hard
Apr 19th 2021
7
I think the bigger issue is that there are very few new "groups"
Apr 19th 2021
8
music is too easy to make now.
Apr 19th 2021
9
If you're doing paint by numbers music maybe
Apr 22nd 2021
12
exactly. most folks are doing paint by numbers because
Apr 26th 2021
21
*bands aren't necessary.
Apr 26th 2021
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They're unique like the Wu is
Apr 22nd 2021
11
"The Roots" are a two man group with a rotating supporting cast
Apr 22nd 2021
13
btw did the Roots retire from making albums?
Apr 22nd 2021
14
RE: lol
Apr 26th 2021
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I really liked undun when it came out. Got a lot of spin that
Apr 26th 2021
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      Yea I liked Undun! I’m talking about the two albums after that
Apr 27th 2021
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           there was only one album after that?
Apr 27th 2021
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                ahh ok yea i was counting the abbot costello album...my b.
Apr 27th 2021
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Check out Akua Naru, John Robinson & PVD
Apr 26th 2021
20
Cuts to funding in school music programs.
Apr 26th 2021
23
Avantdale Bowling Club was (is?) a rap band
Apr 27th 2021
26
because HH didnt appreciate The Roots until HH hit a slump
Apr 30th 2021
32

Garhart Poppwell
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1. "The Foundation"
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obsidianchrysalis
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2. "Hadn't heard of them"
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Thanks

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doitall76
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6. "RE: The Foundation"
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are you talking about the group with the album "First Fruit" or are you talking about someone else? If so, what is an album of theirs?

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Garhart Poppwell
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16. "RE: The Foundation"
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I think they're first album at least was self titled, Chris Daddy Dave is the drummer for the group. The lead emcee is Kay (remember him from some of his appearances on Nicolay's solo albums, especially There)

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doitall76
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27. "RE: The Foundation"
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thanks for that, I forgot about that one. Your clue reminded me that I had it. It was called Forever Behind the Music.

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Garhart Poppwell
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29. "RE: That's it"
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I couldn't remember the title but that's the one

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wiseguy
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31. "I think they may have disbanded"
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not sure, but seems like they might have

  

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3. "Because it's much harder to assemble a group of musicians"
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than it is to find a beatmaker. At least that's my theory.

  

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obsidianchrysalis
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4. "Good point"
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It's more difficult getting three or four or five musicians on the same page over the course of recording an album than one beatmaker working with an MC on one song.

Plus, the money for a show is split multiple ways rather than the whole sum going to the MC. Money talks... (as you well already know)

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10. "If The Roots happened today..."
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...?uest, Black Thought, Hub, Kamal, Poysner and them would collaborate for one album.
THEN they'd all do their own solo projects.
OR they'd look for other people to do projects with.

Freddie Gibbs did projects with Madlib and Alchemist.
Snoop and Pharrell did an album.
Zo! & Tall Black Guy did an album.
Anderson Paak and Bruno Mars are doing an album.

It's all about one-off collaborations today.



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15. "The Internet is doing that."
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All of them have solo projects.....dropped a record together....and are now in the rotation of solos again.

Not saying it works....but it is being completed by a band that isn't the Roots...but make pretty good music in their own right IMO.

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19. "Agreed. Good example."
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Ha. Mad I didn't name The Internet cause they fit the example more than the ones I named.

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5. "Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways."
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Mon Apr-19-21 04:19 AM by phemom

          

https://youtu.be/sGCqVREL3wU

...they were a band like the Roots from out of Oakland. I played the above record SO MUCH when it dropped.

Anyhoo, it's gonna be hard to find multiple musicians when there's no band in school these days, add that it's easier to find a producer, and everyone wanting to shine and it equals little to no groups these days.

That said, I don't see a reason that a rapper wouldn't have a go with a couple of the groups out there. Why not form a real group with BadBadNotGood, The Free Nationals,El Michaels Affair or even the collective of people making music with Terrace Martin?!?

Or imagine a good rapper becoming a group with Flying Lotus & Thundercat?!?

It's probably some $$$ to be made that way right?

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30. "RE: Remember Crown City Rockers?!? I liked them....anyways."
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El Michaels
>Affair

Gibbs been doing live shows with them. Reportedly they were supposed to come out with a live version of Bandana with them too.


>Or imagine a good rapper becoming a group with Flying Lotus &
>Thundercat?!?

Agreed. I thought they were supposed to link up with Ish from Shabazz Palaces/Digable Planets to form WOKE..

  

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7. "Nobody wants to grind that hard"
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The Roots were touring damn near year round until they got the late night gig. It was the only way to get paid because splitting them Geffen/MCA/Def Jam checks 5+ ways was nothing since they weren’t moving hella units.

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8. "I think the bigger issue is that there are very few new "groups" "
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who are coming out together in hip-hop. People don't want to split the checks multiple ways. If an MC wants that live band sound they can get musicians to tour with pretty easily. But a band like The Roots came up together, developed a signature sound together, etc., and that's just rare in these days.

  

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9. "music is too easy to make now. "
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bands are necessary. though, it would be nice they were more popular. bygone day mostly.

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12. "If you're doing paint by numbers music maybe"
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But to replicate the Roots sound - great hip hop mixes that 'bump' with live instruments and particularly live drums - is not easy at all IMO

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21. "exactly. most folks are doing paint by numbers because"
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bands and instruments are difficult. not to mention the level of talent to do all of that.

another aspect is that you can make music all alone. you don't 'need' other people in the way a band would. nobody to bounce ideas off of.

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22. "*bands aren't necessary. "
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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11. "They're unique like the Wu is"
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There have been other groups and posses but no one will ever approach Wu-Tang.


Thought is a GOD MC top 5 ever AND with a live band? Nope, lightning struck and that's what we got.

  

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13. ""The Roots" are a two man group with a rotating supporting cast"
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They aren't a rap band version of Wu-Tang everyone besides Quest & Thought can be replaced. The group wouldn't have even been sustainable if the show stopped for anyone besides Quest or Thought.

  

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14. "btw did the Roots retire from making albums?"
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i hope not, their last two releases were deleted after 1 listen...that shit was a snoozefest made for "coffee shop chicks and white dudes"

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17. "RE: lol"
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Mon Apr-26-21 03:59 AM by rmcphedr

          

I think the word in 2019 is that they were recording a new jawn. Hopefully it is better than the last one: i literally played that twice.

  

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18. "I really liked undun when it came out. Got a lot of spin that"
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first year. I rarely ever go back to it, likely because it's really made to listen to beginning to end. It's also a pretty depressing story from a concept album perspective. I remember adding a couple joints like One Time and Make My to my workout playlist since they knock, but hearing that sad story doesn't really help while lifting heavy.

I didn't even realize it had been so long since they released an album. I don't even think I made it through And Then You Shoot Your Cousin one full time. I remembered them talking about another album a few years ago and never checked for it - I'd assumed it was out but looking at their discography that was End Game which never came out.

  

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24. "Yea I liked Undun! I’m talking about the two albums after that"
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>first year. I rarely ever go back to it, likely because it's
>really made to listen to beginning to end. It's also a pretty
>depressing story from a concept album perspective. I remember
>adding a couple joints like One Time and Make My to my workout
>playlist since they knock, but hearing that sad story doesn't
>really help while lifting heavy.
>
>I didn't even realize it had been so long since they released
>an album. I don't even think I made it through And Then You
>Shoot Your Cousin one full time. I remembered them talking
>about another album a few years ago and never checked for it -
>I'd assumed it was out but looking at their discography that
>was End Game which never came out.

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25. "there was only one album after that?"
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Organix (1993)
Do You Want More?!!!??! (1995)
Illadelph Halflife (1996)
Things Fall Apart (1999)
Phrenology (2002)
The Tipping Point (2004)
Game Theory (2006)
Rising Down (2008)
How I Got Over (2010)
Undun (2011)
...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin (2014)

Unless you're including the collab with Elvis Costello -- but I would consider that part of their albums discography, i'd put that in the same vein as the Wake Up and Betty Wright albums (i.e. collaborations, not The Roots-focused projects)

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28. "ahh ok yea i was counting the abbot costello album...my b."
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> Organix (1993)
> Do You Want More?!!!??! (1995)
> Illadelph Halflife (1996)
> Things Fall Apart (1999)
> Phrenology (2002)
> The Tipping Point (2004)
> Game Theory (2006)
> Rising Down (2008)
> How I Got Over (2010)
> Undun (2011)
> ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin (2014)
>
>Unless you're including the collab with Elvis Costello -- but
>I would consider that part of their albums discography, i'd
>put that in the same vein as the Wake Up and Betty Wright
>albums (i.e. collaborations, not The Roots-focused projects)
>
>-thebigfunk
>
>~ i could still snort you under the table ~

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20. "Check out Akua Naru, John Robinson & PVD"
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I luv 'em both. To me, Akua is like a female Black Thought in terms of skill and thought-provoking rhymes over soulful live instrumentation-based music. Not only does she have a great live band on her records, she's performed with the likes of Terri Lynne Carrington and Eric Benet.

I love what JR and PVD have been doing recently by carrying the torch for Hip Hop and live instrumentation. They also bring guests such as Silent Knight, El Da Sensei, Sadat X.

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23. "Cuts to funding in school music programs. "
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N/m

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26. "Avantdale Bowling Club was (is?) a rap band"
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Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQxjSMFmT8

I remember this seeming like a growing trend around 2008, too - Heliocentrics is a band name I think of a lot, but am not sure I ever liked?


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32. "because HH didnt appreciate The Roots until HH hit a slump"
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im glad to hear Quest talk about this at length when others ignore it

  

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