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obsidianchrysalis
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This sums up my thoughts on Drake. I can't consider him a great MC, at least not in the traditional way we do Thought, Nas, Jay, etc

You can argue is hip hop should be pop music but for better or worse it is the dominant American musical genre both artistically and in terms of record sales.

Drake has distilled hip hop into pop music. That sounds like a backhanded compliment but I don't mean it that way. Drake has redefined hip hop in a way that made it very marketable and accessible in a way to the post-Golden Age era that no one else of his generation quite has. You could probably put Weezy in that category as well, although Drake seems to be a pop culture icon in a way Yeezy isn't.

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1. He reminds me of hotel shampoo so much that I’ve just started calling him Hotel Shampoo.

2. The irrational and disproportionate emotional and spiritual attachment I have to the rappers I listened to and loved when I was younger, which makes it more difficult for a “newer” person to move me.

3. He’s never released an album I’d consider a classic. (His best, If You’re Reading This It’s Too Late, falls short of that status.) But perhaps this is an anachronistic way of assessment, when our primary means of consuming music now is on streaming platforms, and we can just make playlists of the shit we like. Does having a great album still matter if you’ve either released or been featured on (at least) 50 culturally relevant and zeitgeist-infesting songs in a 12-year span—which Hotel Shampoo definitely has?

4. His verses are book blurbs stitched together. Just quotable after quotable after quotable with no real cohesion. (Can you remember him ever telling a story? And not even a Nas-level story, but like Jigga on “Meet the Parents” or Weezy on “Mona Lisa”?)

But he makes it work. The quotable/catchphrase thing is a talent. For instance, Hotel Shampoo ain’t invent the word “fancy,” but he definitely had/has people saying “oh you fancy” after “Fancy.” Same thing with YOLO. And “woes.” And “You wasn’t with me shootin’ in the gym.” And so many other words and lines that feel, well, corny as fuck, but also became ubiquitous.

His verses feel and sound easy, like he spent 15 minutes writing them and five recording them, but there’s a rigor in the performance of ease, and Hotel Shampoo has mastered it.

5. I grew up on GZA and Ghost and Biggie and Dre 3000 and Big L and L Boogie and Scarface and others whose lyrics, lines, and verses were so intricate and complex that it made rap/rapping seem so fucking hard. The best rappers have always been considered linguistic geniuses. There’s even genius origin stories and myth-making(s), like how everyone knows that Jay-Z has supposedly never actually written a rhyme.

There’s never been a time, in the 12 years now that I’ve listened to Hotel Shampoo, where I thought “Wow. Dude is a genius.” But I think what’s happening is that his genius—the quotable/catch phrase thing and his preternatural ability to ride/create trends and be a chameleon—exists in places I don’t value as much as the overtly difficult lyrics.

6. I wouldn’t place him on a list of the 25 best rappers ever. But I feel like we need to have two separate categories for rap goats. You have the “best at rapping” goat list, with people like Black Thought and Jay Elec and Jean Grae on it, and the “best at making rap songs/albums” list, with people like Hotel Shampoo and Kanye West.

I’m done here. Goodbye!

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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Drake belongs to some sub genre of rap music...
Mar 12th 2021
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RE: ... All the Biases That Prevent Me From Considering Drake ...(The Ro...
Mar 12th 2021
2
Based on his list, I think he's opening up the idea of a GOAT list
Mar 16th 2021
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He wrote this based on a Kiese Laymon post from the day before
Mar 12th 2021
3
He’s a teen idol that bought his skills
Mar 13th 2021
4
This all seems to check out
Mar 17th 2021
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If I wouldn’t have a beer with them, I won’t listen to them
Mar 17th 2021
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LOL @ hotel shampoo
Mar 21st 2021
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He doesn't have rhymes, he has quips. Perfect for the times. n/m
Mar 24th 2021
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My_SP1200_Broken_Again
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1. "Drake belongs to some sub genre of rap music..."
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...you can't really compare him to 80s/90s MCs who spit over boom bap ..it's like comparing Ice Hockey to Figure Skating ..both may require talent, but one is, you know






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Master Thespian
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Fri Mar-12-21 05:32 PM

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2. "RE: ... All the Biases That Prevent Me From Considering Drake ...(The Ro..."
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Interesting premise until it sorta gets undermined in point #6. Shouldn't the GOATs be the best at combining pure skill with making great songs/albums?

  

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obsidianchrysalis
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Tue Mar-16-21 07:14 PM

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5. "Based on his list, I think he's opening up the idea of a GOAT list"
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He seems to be opening up the list to lyricists - MC's who have a mastery of the craft of MC'ing - and songwriters - MC's who have a knack for writing emotionally compelling songs, even if they don't display the level of craft lyricists show.

That sort of cleans up the messiness of making GOAT comparisons between generations, at least the Golden Age generation and these new school rappers.

But I agree that a GOAT should be good if not great at both.

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Fri Mar-12-21 09:37 PM

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3. "He wrote this based on a Kiese Laymon post from the day before"
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which is funny to me. Gotta get those words off tough.
I think number 4 is pretty interesting. I hadn't considered that before. Seems true.

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4. "He’s a teen idol that bought his skills "
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herbiehowsermc
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Wed Mar-17-21 07:24 AM

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6. "This all seems to check out"
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I've always just personally considered him to be an R&B singer who can rap. Same as I think of Kanye or Puffy as producers who can rap.

  

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DJR
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Wed Mar-17-21 11:09 AM

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7. "If I wouldn’t have a beer with them, I won’t listen to them "
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I can’t listen to a rapper who I don’t like, even if they have “talent”.

  

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8. "LOL @ hotel shampoo"
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Wed Mar-24-21 04:23 AM

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9. "He doesn't have rhymes, he has quips. Perfect for the times. n/m"
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