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fontgangsta
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"alchemist X armand hammer - HO-LEE-SHEET!!"


  

          

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/alchemist-armand-hammer-haram-new-album.html

wow.
just wow.
i need a single in my life ASAP.
cant wait for this.
wow.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Yeah, instant cop.
Feb 24th 2021
1
Tracklist:
Feb 24th 2021
2
so dope that Amani is on this
Feb 24th 2021
4
      Good shout out.
Mar 09th 2021
10
Pre-ordered
Feb 24th 2021
3
Alchemist just doesn’t stop
Feb 24th 2021
5
these dudes can't miss
Feb 25th 2021
6
always hyped for new AH
Mar 04th 2021
7
I’d put him in that second tier all time though
Mar 04th 2021
8
      I can live with that
Mar 05th 2021
9
      He’s way better than El P or Muggs
Mar 10th 2021
11
           Agreed on El-P
Mar 10th 2021
12
           Not sure you can compare a dusty sample guy to el-p
Mar 11th 2021
13
           denotes asterisk
Mar 25th 2021
25
                Erase that band camp link . No one here cares.
Mar 26th 2021
36
                     hahaha
Mar 27th 2021
41
out there
Mar 25th 2021
14
honestly
Mar 25th 2021
15
first single is out on bandcamp and it's everything i expected
Mar 25th 2021
16
i think thats the best track on the record
Mar 25th 2021
17
      it's a high peak
Mar 25th 2021
18
alchemist is
Mar 25th 2021
19
Oh god couldn't agree more. Nothing worse.
Mar 25th 2021
20
confused like, "how it aint no drums in the beat?" (c) woods
Mar 25th 2021
21
what is pro-hip hop then? i'd love to read a list of attributes
Mar 25th 2021
22
damn even folks who don't
Mar 25th 2021
24
My take on it is this...
Mar 25th 2021
23
What albums are we talking about here?
Mar 25th 2021
26
nah those albums did sound similar
Mar 25th 2021
27
      RE: nah those albums did sound similar
Mar 26th 2021
29
      I don’t really hear it....Alfredo was it’s own thing
Mar 26th 2021
38
      RE: Alfredo was the exception for me
Mar 29th 2021
48
Agreed, I don't even listen to roc anymore bc of that
Mar 26th 2021
37
lol
Mar 26th 2021
30
glad you said it...
Mar 29th 2021
49
yeah, they did it again.
Mar 26th 2021
28
another excellent album
Mar 26th 2021
31
definitely but to be fair
Mar 26th 2021
39
Are these typical current-day Alchemist beats?
Mar 26th 2021
32
Dope
Mar 26th 2021
33
yeah the loops do all the work. big drums aren't needed
Mar 26th 2021
34
LMFAO
Mar 26th 2021
40
I mean, no one would mistake it for Timbaland, but theres drums on this
Mar 26th 2021
35
      smh
Mar 27th 2021
42
           FYI: I know the classics. I've heard every Drake album
Mar 27th 2021
43
                RE: FYI: I know the classics. I've heard every Drake album
Mar 27th 2021
44
                !
Mar 28th 2021
45
Yep, that shit is extra dope,
Mar 28th 2021
46
Album is fucking aces
Mar 28th 2021
47
Been listening a lot to this the past few days.
Mar 29th 2021
50

mrhood75
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1. "Yeah, instant cop."
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Can't to hear woods and Elucid over a whole album's worth of Alc. production.

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2. "Tracklist:"
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Sir Benni Miles
Roaches Don’t Fly
Black Sunlight featuring KAYANA
Indian Summer
Aubergine featuring Fielded
God’s Feet
Peppertree
Scaffolds
Falling Out The Sky featuring Earl Sweatshirt
Wishing Bad featuring Curly Castro & Amani
Chicharrones featuring Quelle Chris
Squeegee
Robert Moses
Stonefruit

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4. "so dope that Amani is on this"
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the album he put out last year with king vision ultra is dope as hell

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10. "Good shout out."
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Pretty good album from last year
It got some internet love, I wouldn’t mind having it on vinyl.

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3. "Pre-ordered"
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they are the best right now

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5. "Alchemist just doesn’t stop "
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6. "these dudes can't miss"
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the only thing fucking with shrines last year for me was the woods/moor mother album

i'm convinced they're the greatest rap duo of the 21st century without even looking at the deep solo catalogs

  

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7. "always hyped for new AH"
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but I'll be that asshole and say the Alc thing does nothing extra for me.

I'm happy for the extra exposure it will bring them because they are certainly deserving of more love.

But I'd be just as/probably more hyped if this was a whole album with Messiah Musik, August Fanon, Segal, or hell Elucid himself on the boards. Or hell Muggs or El P.


Alc is dope but extremely overrated imo. I scratch my head when I see him on all time great lists with guys like Pete, Dilla, Madlib, etc. Nah. *shrugs*

  

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8. "I’d put him in that second tier all time though "
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He’s not Pete, Primo, but not many are. But once we get past the absolute GOATS, I’d put him right there with pretty much anybody.

He’s got such a huge catalogue, and he switches his sound up over the years.

  

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9. "I can live with that "
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I've seen a few too many "Top 5" lists with him on it recently.

like I said, dude is dope no question...but I don't regard him as highly as others. I know I am all alone on this island though lol


Happy for Elucid and woods either way and they always get my money regardless.


  

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11. "He’s way better than El P or Muggs"
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Wed Mar-10-21 09:49 PM by guru0509

  

          


Ok maybe not way better than Muggs but definitely better

He’s on the same level as Pete and Primo to me ..I’ve been listening to him since Defari Focused Daily days and he’s always held it down

>He’s not Pete, Primo, but not many are. But once we get
>past the absolute GOATS, I’d put him right there with pretty
>much anybody.
>
>He’s got such a huge catalogue, and he switches his sound up
>over the years.

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12. "Agreed on El-P"
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I’d put him in the same category as Muggs, though I generally prefer ALC.

His discography is deep and right up there, no question.

Speaking of Alchemist, recently came across his beat battle with Just Blaze from years ago, and cannot stop going back to when he dropped We Gonna Make It. Even Just and his crew were going crazy. 0:40 sec to 1:30 is basically my favorite thing that exists right now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2DEUJsNif5I&feature=share


  

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13. "Not sure you can compare a dusty sample guy to el-p"
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they are totally different beasts. not sure alchemist even plays synths on his records. and el-p generally doesn't loop dusty samples.

can't compare the two imo. they're both great at what they do.

  

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25. "denotes asterisk"
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Thu Mar-25-21 06:46 PM by howardlloyd

  

          

**never ever ever take any opinion of this poster seriously. the same level as pete and preem. if i was a mod i'd delete your fucking account

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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36. "Erase that band camp link . No one here cares."
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Shit trash
your boat has sailed

Hope you get a hot meal from somewhere

>**never ever ever take any opinion of this poster seriously.
>the same level as pete and preem. if i was a mod i'd delete
>your fucking account

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41. "hahaha"
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youre a white boy who said alchemist is on the same level as pete/preem

again..you not liking my 20 years old work is actually a compliment

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fontgangsta
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14. "out there"
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and spectacular

  

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15. "honestly"
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im more of an elucid fan than an A&H fan
Woods has never done much for me
but over these ALC beats im fucking w him way more

  

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16. "first single is out on bandcamp and it's everything i expected"
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zero chance this won't be an instant classic for me. i'm very happy that elucid allowed his lyrics to be transcribed for the CD version this time

https://armandhammer.bandcamp.com/album/haram

  

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17. "i think thats the best track on the record"
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18. "it's a high peak"
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i feel like i pick a new best track off their albums every time i listen to them, especially shrines and paraffin

  

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19. "alchemist is"
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good but he's also one of the most overrated all time.

the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

woods is so nice it dont matter

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20. "Oh god couldn't agree more. Nothing worse."
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>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

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21. "confused like, "how it aint no drums in the beat?" (c) woods"
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22. "what is pro-hip hop then? i'd love to read a list of attributes"
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>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

  

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24. "damn even folks who don't "
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know anything...

knows it started with breakbeats

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23. "My take on it is this..."
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These dudes need to know when enough is enough.

When Roc Marciano did it, that shit was dope and something new.

But after the 12th album of the same shit, it’s fucking OLD.

They need to switch that shit up.

They can come back to it if they want but damn.

Album after album ain’t no different than commercial artists who make the same bullshit.

A gimmick is a gimmick.

  

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26. "What albums are we talking about here?"
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Last few Alchemist full length projects that come to mind are Boldy James - Price of Tea in China, Alfredo with Gibbs, and Conway - Lulu.

None of those albums sound alike to me, and most of the songs have drums - and the drums usually knock.

  

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27. "nah those albums did sound similar"
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and were all fairly flat- especially the drums if you want to get into details.

Alfredo was disappointing and his Boldly James album was the least interesting Boldly James album released that year.

Alc really has that white boy curve working for him, I'll give him that. A 6 or 7 release is graded as an 8 or a 9 cuz its him.

It really has gotten to the point where dudes see his name and decide its dope without listening.

And I'm not even a hater of drumless hip hop, etc.


I just don't get the *amount* of love Alc gets. Only explanation I can come up with is the curve. He's dope, cool, whatever...but I wouldn't even have him top 10 TODAY. *shrugs*

  

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29. "RE: nah those albums did sound similar"
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>Alc really has that white boy curve working for him, I'll give
>him that. A 6 or 7 release is graded as an 8 or a 9 cuz its
>him.
>

exactly

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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38. "I don’t really hear it....Alfredo was it’s own thing"
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Lulu had that eery, unsettling energy throughout.

There were definitely a few on the Boldy James that had a similar sound and would’ve fit on Lulu, but not the whole album.

I love all 3 of those projects too, so I’m enjoying what Alc’s doing.

  

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48. "RE: Alfredo was the exception for me"
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but I broadly agree...

and this is coming from a white boy haha

the roc no drums thing was cool at first, but I am well over it. remember those old UN / PR joints where roc SAVAGED THEM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAQYvUmJoTw

  

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37. "Agreed, I don't even listen to roc anymore bc of that"
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>These dudes need to know when enough is enough.
>
>When Roc Marciano did it, that shit was dope and something
>new.
>
>But after the 12th album of the same shit, it’s fucking
>OLD.
>
>They need to switch that shit up.
>
>They can come back to it if they want but damn.
>
>Album after album ain’t no different than commercial artists
>who make the same bullshit.
>
>A gimmick is a gimmick.

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30. "lol"
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>the no drum style is a snooze fest... shit is anti-hip hop

Starting the day with jokes, I see...

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49. "glad you said it..."
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...ALC can be super dope ..but i'm not big into the "experimental" stuff that he & mugs have been doing lately



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28. "yeah, they did it again."
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31. "another excellent album"
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that's 5 in a row. these guys are really one of the best period.

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39. "definitely but to be fair"
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that ship sailed for me a while ago.

Because I'm mostly a rap head, I wonder if other genres struggle to crown new greats too.

These guys are all time. All fucking time. I'm as old and dustry/angry as anyone here (well, almost). The current NBA is trash cuz no defense. I want to buy the physical. Back in my day. Etc etc.

But these dues are all time greats.


The order? *shrug* I defer to one's personal taste, but they are on the list.



  

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32. "Are these typical current-day Alchemist beats?"
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Was surprised by how much this fits in with their other stuff, as opposed as a major departure in sonics. Haven't really checked for Alchemist in a while just because of the type of rappers he tends to work with not being my personal taste.

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33. "Dope"
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Idk guys, "sleepy" Alc, minimal/no drums, smoove loops does it for me.

woods and ELUCID kilt it.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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bearfield
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34. "yeah the loops do all the work. big drums aren't needed"
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i think the folks in the anti-anti-drum association in this thread have trouble determining where the bars begin and end without BIG LOUD 90S SNARES on the 2 and 4

  

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40. "LMFAO"
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You got me.

I just can’t figure out where the bar is.

  

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stylez dainty
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35. "I mean, no one would mistake it for Timbaland, but theres drums on this"
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Two or three songs with little to no drums out of 14 tracks. Maybe it feels like there's less percussion then there is because of the slow tempos?

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42. "smh"
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go listen to the classic albums... most of the loops have "drums" but soul, jazz, rock and r&b usually have the level of the drums WAAAY lower than how a hip hop record would be mixed...

so hip hop producers would LAYER their own drums on top of loops and chops so that it thumps.

these "beats" have just the drums from the loop or chop that they are using

and thats why it seems like its "less percussion"... because the drums are just not there compared to hip hop drums

kinda like how black guys say white girls have no ass. technically they do have an ass, just not compared to the sistas

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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stylez dainty
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43. "FYI: I know the classics. I've heard every Drake album"
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I've even gone back to the super old school stuff like Lil Wayne.

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howardlloyd
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44. "RE: FYI: I know the classics. I've heard every Drake album"
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yeah but u saying "they have drums" shows a lack of consciousness and context

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Nodima
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45. "!"
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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

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mrhood75
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46. "Yep, that shit is extra dope,"
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Them and Alchemist is a great fit.

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47. "Album is fucking aces"
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I’m still gathering myself. Listened probably 6x this weekend.

It’s the funnest ride at six flags this year.


  

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A Love Supreme
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50. "Been listening a lot to this the past few days."
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I love it but that is no surprise since i've loved every album of theirs. Beats are great and also the Quelle Chris feature is dope as hell. Elucid and billy are spoiling us really but i'm not complaining.

  

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