"I can't trust hip-hop fans who don't have any regional bias. "
Like if someone tells you that there favorite rapper is Jadakiss and E-40, I am going to side-eye them (unless they grew up in the Bay and then moved to NYC).
I mean we should be able to appreciate the diversity in hip-hop, but the too short - E-40 versus had me side eyeing a lot of East Coast hiph-hop fans acting like they really can ride deep with 40 Bay Area songs. (though I can see Southerners being Too Short fans).
It's great when UGK and Jay-Z can come together on a track, but they both can't be too of your favorite rappers.
I mean you can love superstars like Snoop and Nas, but once you go into more regional acts, it seems like you are just being agreeable if you say you love Freeway and SugaFree.
Respect all hip-hop, but I think someone would be lying if they tell you that they LOVE all regional hip-hop the same.
Does that make sense or am I just making up new reasons to hate?
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2. "then don't trust me because I love good music" In response to Reply # 0
grew up in a region that didnt have much of a scene (Pittsburgh) didnt really have much of a choice to like everything from everywhere i dont even understand the basis of this post.....and yes you hating
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>Does that make sense or am I just making up new reasons to >hate?
You're def just looking for reasons to hate IMO haha but at the same time there is some sense in what you're saying, on some level.
I was introduced to hip-hop through west coast g-funk so I am suuuuuuper partial to west coast-sounding rap music, the artists I grew up on, and I probably severely overrate that music and those artists as a result of that. That's how good it is to me.
But I still have east coast artists in my top X, and even midwest artists (Common), southern artists (3k), etc.
Which - maybe I'm biased but - I don't think makes me "untrustworthy" haha, rather just someone who grew out of early "west coast only" biases and came to appreciate good music just for being good music.
But that said, to this day I enjoy Snoop's best songs as much if not more than I do Nas', and Dre and Quik's beats as much as I do Preemo and Pete Rock's.
5. "lol I think you may be taking it a little too seriously based on your 2 ..." In response to Reply # 4
>what music do you think I gravitated towards in my youth? >Most of the G-Funk sound does not come from a California....it >came from places like Detroit and Ohio >which is why this post is asinine
... but other than that last part haha yea I'm with you.
I do sort of bemoan the loss of "regional" sounds (whatever that meant, at least) from 90s and 80s hip-hop, that we talk about often around here and also in just general hip-hop circles.
In other words there *was* a very distinct (or at least distinguishable) west coast sound (and if you want to zoom in even further, distinct/distinguishable Bay area sound, distinct/distinguishable LA sound, etc.), a distinct/distinguishable east coast sound, a distinct/distinguishable south sound, etc.
Everything these days is a mish mash. Which isn't all bad by any means, to be clear. I just long for the days when regions were sort of coming out with their own interpretations of hip hop.
6. "There is definite truth to this" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Feb-03-21 04:28 PM by Anonymous
But I think is exception vs the rule thing because there are definitely people who have an honest love for a wide range of artist.
With that said, I know the type of people you’re talking about who just to want to be down with whatever.
Especially if you grew up back in the day. I loved and appreciated how every region had their own sound and I rocked with a lot of different styles but yes I would be lying to say I wasn’t east coast bias.
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7. "kinda" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Feb-03-21 05:03 PM by mista k5
growing up in the southwest there wasnt much rap that i could say really belonged to us. this is west texas/new mexico. the closest it got was the whole SPM/lil rob era with oldies beats and mexican rappers.
that said we seemed to gravitate to the west coast. i have a lot of love for g funk era music. current west coast gangsta rap? eh
i probably missed out on a lot of east coast rap because of this bias. now that ive gone through a good amount of it there is some east coast rap that i love as well as the weirdo west coast rap that i found about later.
spend some time in detroit so i definitely have a lot of love for detroit rappers.
i would say my two favorite regions are the backpacker bay sound and detroit.
8. "RE: I can't trust hip-hop fans who don't have any regional bias. " In response to Reply # 0
Growing up in the South, maybe I had more of a range even if I was more apt to listen to regional music because the radio fed it to me.
Besides that, I was beat over the head with how amazing New York rap was. Me and my friends laughed hard at how NY rappers generally caught hell with making catchy hooks even though they TRIED. But yeah...I got it. Kane and Rakim were ridiculous. I fell for Nas, Mobb Deep, and Wu in 95 pretty easily. I was onto JayZ as soon as I saw them playing Monopoly with real cash on that Dead Presidents video. 'Bout to start snitchin ain't cha...I forgive your weak ass. Hustling just ain't you' gave dude a lifetime pass in my mind as a holy shit rapper.
Short then NWA then Cube then Death Row seemed to actually sell the most records and be on TV all the time so that was my West Coast for a while. And the South stuff I had around me jammed because it sounded like folks I knew rapping. This was especially the case with Houston rap and then Louisiana shit once I went to college there.
By the time I was 20, I just liked a lot of stuff. I thought E-40 was weird but amazing. UGK's Ridin Dirty is still on my short list of best/most complete albums ever. I can listen fondly to even some of the shakiest core No Limit stuff from like 95 - 98-ish.
Common was my favorite rapper for at least a couple of years. Before that it was JayZ. Before that, OutKast. Before that, Tupac and Big before I knew they knew each other.
Since then, there's been everyone from Curren$y to Kendrick to Griselda. And now, I might take Roc Marciano today if I had to pick one rap cat to listen to. And that's even with my thought that the Wu is the best collective ever in a walk.
>Like if someone tells you that there favorite rapper is >Jadakiss and E-40, I am going to side-eye them (unless they >grew up in the Bay and then moved to NYC). > > >I mean we should be able to appreciate the diversity in >hip-hop, but the too short - E-40 versus had me side eyeing a >lot of East Coast hiph-hop fans acting like they really can >ride deep with 40 Bay Area songs. (though I can see >Southerners being Too Short fans). > >It's great when UGK and Jay-Z can come together on a track, >but they both can't be too of your favorite rappers. > >I mean you can love superstars like Snoop and Nas, but once >you go into more regional acts, it seems like you are just >being agreeable if you say you love Freeway and SugaFree. > > >Respect all hip-hop, but I think someone would be lying if >they tell you that they LOVE all regional hip-hop the same. > >Does that make sense or am I just making up new reasons to >hate? > > > > > > > > >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > >"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13. "Eh, I grew out of that years ago." In response to Reply # 0
Probably part of it is because when I was growing up and got into hip-hop heavy, there really was one rapper from my hometown making music on a "major" level (Too Short). And by the time I was aware of him, I was already into Public Enemy, Ice-T-, NWA, Kool Moe Dee, etc. So in those early days, my favorite rapper were already from different regions of the country (Chuck D and Ice Cube).
As I've gotten older I've come to a weird balance where I'm more likely to give something it's day in court, but I also know what I like and what I won't fuck with at all.
These days, overall my listening habits might shade more towards NY/eastern seaboard shit, but I check heavy for artists from Cali, Detroit, Atlanta, Texas, etc.
16. "RE: Eh, I grew out of that years ago." In response to Reply # 13
>Probably part of it is because when I was growing up and got >into hip-hop heavy, there really was one rapper from my >hometown making music on a "major" level (Too Short). And by >the time I was aware of him, I was already into Public Enemy, >Ice-T-, NWA, Kool Moe Dee, etc. So in those early days, my >favorite rapper were already from different regions of the >country (Chuck D and Ice Cube). > >As I've gotten older I've come to a weird balance where I'm >more likely to give something it's day in court, but I also >know what I like and what I won't fuck with at all. > >These days, overall my listening habits might shade more >towards NY/eastern seaboard shit, but I check heavy for >artists from Cali, Detroit, Atlanta, Texas, etc.
My rap listening tastes pretty much fall in line with yours.
I'm from the V, but I never had 40 or Mac Dre in any of my top lists outside of Top 10 Bay Area lists. At the same time, I still hold a special place in my heart for all that mob shit, hyphy stuff, and underground bay hip hop of the late 90's and early 2000's. Outside of early DU, Hiero, and classic Frisco/Oakland stuff, my favorite hip hop music usually comes out of LA, NY, ATL, and Detroit.. however since the decline of the DF/ONP sound, NC has probably eclipsed ATL in my opinion these days.
Not much of a hip hop scene in the bay these days, is there? Outside of Hiero Day, I have no idea what's going on regionally in terms of rap. Hated that SOBxRBE shit. Found this dude Larry June on social media, and he's somewhat interesting.. he's like a mixture of the motivational messaging of Lil B, the look of Roc Marci, the smoothed out swagger of a Dom Kennedy or Currensy, but again.. he got that (intentionally?) way off beat cadence like those SOBxRBE cats. It's a little off putting and distracts from the immaculate production. Reminds me of a more polished Main Attrackionz sound.
Locksmith still does what he usually does, and as great as he is at that, it gets old. G-Eazy is wack. Kamaiyah cool but not really my thing. I guess HBK is ok, but their sound is way too polished and Drake-like for my tastes.
If anything, I feel like anything that was significantly dope out the bay is either old or makes me feel old and i ain't really feeling the hot new shit the kids like.
I traditionally give a lot of mid to subpar shit a pass if it's from the bay. If another region put out music of a similar quality, I'd probably not give it a chance at all.
17. "with all that said" In response to Reply # 16
I could easily list Del, Casual, Devin the Dude, 3Stacks, King T, OC, Monch, Count Bass D, 2Pac, Masta Ace, Blu, Raekwon, Guilty Simpson, Danny Brown, Kendrick,and Mos Def as some of my favorites and not bat an eyelash. I listen to and feel all of these artists and more and hold them all in equally high regard, regardless of regional origin or bias.
14. "While I've had an eclectic group of artists I like" In response to Reply # 0 Thu Feb-04-21 02:59 PM by obsidianchrysalis
I've always preferred artists who have a 'classic' or soul/funk/classic rock sound. Now that 'classic' sound includes Tribe, Premier, and Pete. But also Dre and Organized Noise, The Bomb Squad, and The Soulquarians.
This isn't to say that synth or digital-based music can't strike my fancy. But I'd say 90% is something based on some form of traditional instrumentation.
i think the traditionally big markets don't have much of a sound anymore. LA is too much of a melting pot/relocation destination to have anything distinctive in 2021. NYC has been chasing trends to no avail for about 15 years. the drill thing seems like a trend too. ATL is pretty firmly in pop trap mode but i imagine there will be a subset to counter it. CHI had drill but no one since keef has really made a mark. bay area is indelibly bay area; feels like it hasn't changed since 2005
18. "This sounds like some old man way of thinking." In response to Reply # 0
Especially given the easier access to music as result of the internet. Much easier to open up your ears and your mind to other regional rap styles, much less other genres of music, compared to when the radio was the main source of current hits.
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24. "i honestly DO love all regional hip hop the same" In response to Reply # 0
i don't have a preference for west coast shit just because i'm from here and lived my whole life here. regional hip hop is all great to me because it's all different and those differences are the best part.
28. "I Usually Don't Trust Most People's Rapper Taste" In response to Reply # 0
I know plenty of kats who basically have the same taste in music as I do and I still don't trust them cause they always have a few oddballs on their list that be from the same region, also anybody who got Biggie or Pac on their list is suspect to me cause to me people pick those two cause of world wide acceptance not cause they really like them.
And I generally agree. It was universally accepted 20 years ago, its a lot harder to argue either are GOATS at this point. Not when folks like Snoop, Nas and Jay-Z were big then and still have strong careers.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
31. "Down here in New Orleans..." In response to Reply # 0
You could easily find someone that would say their 2 favorite rappers are Lil Wayne & Jay-Z.
I like Killer Mike and I like Freeway, I like Styles P and I like Blu. Saying I couldn’t be trusted bc I like rap from different regions is kind of silly.
I just listed around 20-25 albums that I like a lot to absolutely love in the top southern albums post. maybe only 5 of them would be in my top 50 hip hop albums of all time list. My list would be east coast heavy and I’m from the south.
Would that make me not trust worthy cause my list would be heavy east coast and I’m from the south?