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"Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "


  

          

Does the lesson have Fiona Apple fans? Anyway, this is wild album-of-the-year material by her after 8 years of silence. It's probably my second or third favorite album of this year so far - and that's just after a couple listens.

The Idler Wheel is (was?) my favorite album by her, but to be honest, this new one will probably end up taking its place. Fetch The Bolt Cutters feels like a bold, but natural evolution from the sound of Idler Wheel. It's extremely percussive, can be relatively experimental and her performance/writing is fantastic.

At the moment, I can't pick a favorite track, but it's one of these: "Cosmonauts", "Fetch the Bolt Cutters", "Rack of His", "Newspaper", "Ladies", "Heavy Balloon"

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RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020)
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sounds good on first listen
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It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika.
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RE: It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika.
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      RE: It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika.
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RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020)
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RE: Tori Amos
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           RE: Tori Amos
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                long quietus piece on Tori
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All around, "Under the Table" is the jam
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Fiona Apple is the Daniel Day Lewis of Music
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if it wasn't for the Lesson I don't think I would have ever checked
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Rank her discography
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Hard to rank these
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                What's there to apologize for ?! hah
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                RE: Hard to rank these
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RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020)
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It might be my least favorite album of hers?
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That makes perfect sense
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1. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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Halfway through, and yes, it's impressive...what a song writer.

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2. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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>Does the lesson have Fiona Apple fans?

Haha, I feel like she was one of the most championed artists in the Lesson after When the Pawn was released. I gave it a listen earlier this morning and will revisit again after I go through all the other new releases from today.

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3. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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Haha that's good to know, When The Pawn was far before my Lesson time.

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4. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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quest even got her to do an "ama" in here

she broke through on this new album..like she's just seeing green "0"&"1"s sitting at that piano now.

  

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7. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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>>Does the lesson have Fiona Apple fans?
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>Haha, I feel like she was one of the most championed artists
>in the Lesson after When the Pawn was released. I gave it a
>listen earlier this morning and will revisit again after I go
>through all the other new releases from today.

Yeah, the question is more "does the lesson have fiona apple fans *today*?" I think that in a weird way the lesson is almost more hip hop-centric than it was in the early years. See last year's response to FKA Twig's album - I was actually kind of surprised. But things change, and that's cool...


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5. "sounds good on first listen"
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I liked her last album too. her voice sounds a little raspy on this one. She’s funny. Not sure I’d want to date her but her lyrics are interesting.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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6. "It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika."
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8. "RE: It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika."
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These are some of my first favorites, too, but I'm already vacillating wildly between repeats.


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10. "RE: It’s excellent. Loving Under The Table, Ladies, Shameika."
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The piano in "Shameika" is fantastic. That one is starting to creep into my favorites as well. As I listen to this record more and more, I like it more and more - and I loved it on the first listen. I'm floored.

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9. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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>Fetch The Bolt Cutters feels like a bold, but natural
>evolution from the sound of Idler Wheel. It's extremely
>percussive, can be relatively experimental and her
>performance/writing is fantastic.

I think one reason I love her catalog so much is she's a great example of what it means to explore and experiment within a sound rather than reaching far outside of it. Every album is very different yet it is all identifiable as her - the piano never sounds the same yet it is somehow her, the writing shifts yet it is somehow her. You can listen to her first album next to this one, note the range and the journey, but still they feel very much at home together.

I can't help but think of Tori as a comparison, whose piano playing moved to the background around her fourth album and whose own experimentation wound up being more an excursion into other forms of instrumentation (different band line-ups, incorporating electronic instruments more, stretching out into long-form drone-jams). In a strange way, as much as I love Tori and think her discography's pretty incredible, she lost a bit of what was interesting or unique about her along the way. Fiona's released a lot less but has arguably built a more substantial musical landscape to work from that she can fully claim as her own. (I don't know if that makes sense and I might change my mind tomorrow, lol.)

I guess my point is: Apple's found a way to keep the piano forward and actually seem to push it in new directions yet still very much being her. There's a sense of adventure on each of her records; string them together and it's a fucking epic musical journey.


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13. "RE: Tori Amos "
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>I can't help but think of Tori as a comparison, whose piano
>playing moved to the background around her fourth album and
>whose own experimentation wound up being more an excursion
>into other forms of instrumentation (different band line-ups,
>incorporating electronic instruments more, stretching out into
>long-form drone-jams). In a strange way, as much as I love
>Tori and think her discography's pretty incredible, she lost a
>bit of what was interesting or unique about her along the way.
>Fiona's released a lot less but has arguably built a more
>substantial musical landscape to work from that she can fully
>claim as her own. (I don't know if that makes sense and I
>might change my mind tomorrow, lol.)

I actually don't know the Amos catalog well, where would you recommend starting?

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16. "RE: Tori Amos "
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Nice - I wish our archives were better, I know I've written volume in years past on Tori. My crash course:

Her first three albums - Little Earthquakes, Under the Pink, and Boys for Pele - were what made Tori into Tori. They're still remarkable and I would start there. Little Earthquakes is more direct and is just a powerhouse of songwriting and performance, voice and piano and lyrics all in full force. Under the Pink finds her expanding her palette a lot in terms of both songwriting and sound/instrumentation - it's a pretty sprawling record (though it's only about an hour long) and is probably my favorite from the period. Boys for Pele is when she really begins to stretch, bringing in the harpsichord and just an all around fuller and heavier sound. It's too long and a bit bloated in one or two points but still great. It's really hard for me to pick a favorite though there's admittedly some nostalgia going on - they're formative records for me both personally and musically. They released a live @ Montreaux show from the Little Earthquakes period that helps capture her live sound from that period, too - definitely worth a listen.

Her b-sides from this period were a big part of her career, too. They're more scattered across compilations at this point but it's worth checking out the last disc of compilation "A Piano: The Collection" -- there are some other bsides, I think, on the earlier discs on that set but most of them are on the last one. (I think that's on Spotify/Apple Music but could be wrong.) There were a *lot* of tracks from that period that could easily have been on an album and were cult faves among fans.

So I'd start with all of that. From the Choirgirl Hotel is excellent and should definitely be heard, imo, but it is often marked as the big shift in her career for sonic reasons. Less piano, more guitars, synths, etc., so I'd save that for after the early trilogy of records. Those four, I think, are the mandatory part of her catalog, along with the bsides.

Personally, several of the records following Choirgirl are still top-notch (especially the studio side of To Venus and Back and substantial portions of Beekeeper). But somewhere around then she lost the ability to edit: her records are just too big, too many songs, and they grow unwieldy. And by American Doll Posse (2007?), her songwriting is getting stale. She still shows glimmers of greatness in stuff from the last decade or so but a lot of it is tough listening (although I admittedly haven't paid them the attention they're probably due).

Would love to hear what you think of those early records especially - Apple and AMos share a common musical ancestor in Laura Nyro (among others) and I think those records are where it's most apparent.

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17. "RE: Tori Amos "
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Thanks a lot for this! I'm going to start with her first record and go from there.

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28. "long quietus piece on Tori"
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Thought this might be of interest:

https://thequietus.com/articles/28268-tori-amos-really-deep-thoughts-silent-all-these-years

Very long - too long, honestly, well-written but could be reorganized and trimmed a bit - but I think the writer makes some good observations. Maybe something to stash away for later, after you've made it through some of her stuff.


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11. "All around, "Under the Table" is the jam"
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But this is a real masterclass album, picking a favorite is more preferential than definitive

What a cool album

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12. "Fiona Apple is the Daniel Day Lewis of Music"
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Got Damn Legend. Can take a hiatus and come back with masterpiece shit

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14. "if it wasn't for the Lesson I don't think I would have ever checked"
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for Fiona.

Great album- very creative.

Heavy Baloon, the title track, and Under the Table are bonkers.

  

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15. "Rank her discography "
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I know it's still early days and my opinion might change, but I've been immersing myself in the catalog as I dig further into this one and can definitely say that this is now my favorite album by her. It's powerful stuff.

Here are detailed thoughts: https://93millionmilesabove.blogspot.com/2020/04/fiona-apple-fetch-bolt-cutters-2020.html#more

I don't think any of her albums have hit me as immediately quotable as this one. It feels more direct than Idler Wheel in an extremely skilled way. She comes up with things that sound simple to encompass concepts that you can go deep into. The songwriting is so good. Dissecting it is so much fun. There are no bad songs. Instrumentally this is definitely the most unhinged her sound has been too and I love it.

Anyway, my ranking would be:

1. Fetch The Bolt Cutters
2. The Idler Wheel
3. Tidal
4. When The Pawn
5. Extraordinary Machine

All of these are great to me though.

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18. "Hard to rank these"
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but I started with When The Pawn, so I've got sentimental attachment to it...

1. When the Pawn
2. Fetch the Bolt Cutters
3. Tidal
4. The Idler Wheel
5. Extraordinary Machine (though the title track is maybe my top 1 song of hers)

  

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19. "RE: Hard to rank these"
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Zero! So good to see you showing up here!

I'm taking some time before I run through the rankings, especially since I haven't spent as much time with idler yet. I think extraordinary is probably last though - and it's still an awesome record, which says a lot abt her catalog.


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20. "RE: Hard to rank these"
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always good to see you too! still lurk occasionally, but leave it up to Fiona to bring us out of the woodwork...

and yeah, Extraordinary Machine feels the most conventional because of its production sheen. It's a good album that has a slickness that might undermine some of the rawness of emotion.

I like Idler Wheel a lot, too. It's where she really embraced her voice as an instrument, less worried about sounding 'good' and more willing to contort it. Almost sounds like she's learning to play with new tools, so the songs don't connect with me as much as on the other 3.

Tidal is Tidal. Such mature songwriting for someone so young.

My favorite part of Fetch The Bolt Cutters is how funny it is. She's spittin some darts in there. And the music has so many unexpected twists and embellishments that I can tell I'll be discovering new details in it for a long time.

Then there's When The Pawn. My favorite of the production (I'm a Jon Brion apologist). Still get a jolt from those drums on "Fast As You Can."

  

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21. "What's there to apologize for ?! hah"
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>Then there's When The Pawn. My favorite of the production (I'm
>a Jon Brion apologist).

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27. "RE: What's there to apologize for ?! hah"
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ha - I'm good friends with a Jon Brion superfan so I've spent a bunch of time making fun of his indulgent live shows (which could either be amazing or 75 minutes of noise-rock solos) and occasionally too-twee-for-its-own-good production.

  

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23. "RE: Hard to rank these"
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zero: making OKP posts i agree with since 1999

*except* i think i'd put this new one first and When the Pawn.. 2nd? Pawn doesn't really get going for me til like track 4.. (but damn that Side B)

  

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24. "RE: Hard to rank these"
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>I like Idler Wheel a lot, too. It's where she really embraced
>her voice as an instrument, less worried about sounding 'good'
>and more willing to contort it.
>

This is why I love Idler Wheel so much, there is a real rawness in her voice. It makes her more compelling emotionally to me, which is saying a lot because she always had been - it sounds like she's really feeling it. Listened to it again last night.

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22. "RE: Fiona Apple - Fetch The Bolt Cutters (2020) "
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these songs remind me of Disintegration? (The Cure) how she layers ascending & descending hooks i mean

"i would beg to dis-agree but beg-ging dis-agrees with me" (repeating on own intro)

then "kick me under the table all you want..i wont shut up..i wont shut up.."

then halfway into song recalling the intro hook ontop of the other one

same shapes as something like Untitled on Disintegration

*steps away from crackpipe*

  

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25. "It might be my least favorite album of hers?"
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I've listened to it quite a few times and revisited her discography this past week. I still think it's a good record, but it's not quite clicking with me despite repeated listens. The opener, "I Want You To Love Me," is my favorite song, and maybe it's because I feel like it melodically and songwriting wise is most similar to her previous work? A few of the songs have some repetitive sections that don't sound bad but don't add much for me either. It is growing on me more and more, but it's quite a ways below When the Pawn.

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>The opener, "I Want You To Love Me," is my favorite song, and
>maybe it's because I feel like it melodically and songwriting
>wise is most similar to her previous work?

Although that isn't my favorite song, I completely agree with you on the second part. I think that starting the album off with that song was a great way to disorient the listener haha. To be honest, that song and "Shameika", I love those songs, but they are definitely outliers sonically/in general structure.

I think had she released "I Want You To Love Me" as a single, it would've definitely affected people's initial reactions to the album by setting expectations of a sound far away from the majority of the tracks.

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