2. "I definitely can't argue with mid-nineties Premier" In response to Reply # 1
I guess it depends if you like Moment of Truth-era work more than the Hard to Earn period or vice versa if you think his peak ran for only half the '90s. But he had some iconic songs throughout the decade. His peak may have been the longest out of the Mt. Rushmore types.
Just's career is interesting. I wasn't a fan of a lot the East Coast stuff at that time, but Just's records always stood out to me as quality. I can't say that I hold him as highly as you do but I don't think you're far off in your assessment.
3. "Oh, Premier’s peak definitely runs for much longer than that" In response to Reply # 2
He was still the best in the late 90s. I think 94 was his best year and that alone is all he needs in a discussion like this. But he was still elite for a long time after that. Hell, he’s had the best produced rap album as recently as 2014, IMO.
Early 00s, I feel like anytime I heard a dope East Coast single that really knocked - it was produced by Just.
Maybe a homer pick here, but I think early 00s 9th Wonder had a hell of a run too.
Maybe like 92-94 Pete Rock has a strong case for #1 too. Even though I think Primo objectively has the strongest catalogue in terms of peaks, Pete was/is my personal favorite. And he’s still got it too! Amazing.
7. "Yea I think it's gotta be Preem." In response to Reply # 1
Especially cause his overall prime seemed to last longer than just that peak period you mention. Maybe he wasn't quite *as* potent as that mid-90s time period, but he was still (and kinda still is, with some lulls/valleys in the meantime) a monster as the turn of the century came about.
8. "‘99 Primo had Nas Is Like, Mathematics, So Ghetto, When I B On the Mic" In response to Reply # 7
He was still that the best. Even in the early 00s he was doing Pitch Black - It’s All Real, Golden Chyld for Ras Kass, Boom for Royce, 2nd Childhood, Doobie Ashtray, even that joint for Snoop. He got “formuliac” at times, but who cares? It was a needed formula in that era.
12. "You're 100% right. And even his formulaic stuff was lights out." In response to Reply # 8
Some of it got repetitive but by and large he was still throwing heat all over the place. I think the primary "issue" (if it was even an issue) was that he was in such high demand at that time that he probably just didn't have the time to dedicate to each beat that he used to/wanted to, so he fell into some habits.
But again - most of that shit still came out banging.
>He was still that the best. Even in the early 00s he was >doing Pitch Black - It’s All Real, Golden Chyld for Ras >Kass, Boom for Royce, 2nd Childhood, Doobie Ashtray, even that >joint for Snoop. He got “formuliac” at times, but who >cares? It was a needed formula in that era.
Right - all of that shit was fire. The CNN joint, too. I must've played that CNN song a trillion times in that time period.
He also did that Oh No Remix w/Mos, Pharoahe, and Nate that was absolute flames.
So yea. He stayed killing it.
Then he worked with effing Christina Aguilera in 2006, which at the time I thought was kinda wack and never really gave a fair chance. But I revisited his work on that album within the last few months and yep - flames. The backstory is cool, too. Guess her ex-husband (husband at the time) was a big hip-hop head so he reached out to see if Preem would be on board and he was.
Went in the studio and made "Ain't No Other Man" and a few others. All were pretty damn good for that kind of collab. Especially in hindsight w/my hip-hop snobbiness a thing of the past lol.
11. "Then the Group Home album in '95! Hard to beat that stretch n/m" In response to Reply # 1
>Hard to Earn, The Sun Rises in the East, and then the work he >did for Biggie and Nas? > >I think Just Blaze from like 01-04 deserves a mention. The >Blueprint joints he did, What We Do(and most of that >album),Breathe, PSA, Roc Da Mic, etc.
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10. "Think you pretty much nailed it." In response to Reply # 9
>RE: Primo stayed great with hardly any misses to this day >RIP Dilla .. undeniably a great > >RZA didn't stay the same RZA but he's still gawd level > >Pete is untouchable but I didn't like Soul Survivor 2 era > >Tim almost always delivers but he threw out alot of filler >Pharrell ditto > >Bomb Squad peaked at FOABP > >Dre underdelivered by rarely producing whole lps or he would >be goat > >Soulquarians were dope ..great for what it was but everyone >branched out > >Tip produced 3 masterpieces.. >the other 3 ATCQ weren't as good but BRAL has gotten better >with age and I still love TLM and Thank You > >I never thought Organized was that excellent..not on the other >names' level at least
Timbo and Pharrell were like the polar opposites to Dre. Too much output vs. too little. There's a middle ground there.
Agree with pretty much everything else you said. Preem had some "lulls" but nothing to the point where I was like "dude's wack now".
Even Pete had "meh" moments.
I think Dilla was and is a technical wizard but maybe wasn't as potent in terms of impact as Preemo, which is the only negative thing I can really possibly say about him. Preem made grimey NYC shit that impacted EVERYONE in hip-hop, from the underground to the mainstream. And like you said, never really fell off.
14. "Nah IMO the Christina stuff did what it intended to do." In response to Reply # 13
>Maybe that Christina A joint but that shouldn't count. Even >The Mall is a decent instrumental..
It may not be music I'd listen to a lot, but going back I respect it and they actually seemed to have some chemistry together. I mentioned this above - I recently revisited their collabs and found that they were accctually kinda dope lol.
But that may be just me.
>I think some of Prhyme joints could of been better but they >were still good.
PRhyme 1 was flawless IMO. My favorite album of the 2010s.
PRhyme 2 left a lot to be desired but I hesitate to call any of the beats "wack" per se, just wasn't the album I necessarily wanted from them.
>As for Pete Rock, I listened to Soul Survivor 2 today and it's >much better than I remembered it..
I gotta revisit a lot of Pete's non-PR&CLS, late 90s/early 00 stuff.
22. "Primo and Pete, but Marley deserves a mention too" In response to Reply # 0
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