per reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/e9gtgx/royce_da_59_announces_new_music_the_allegory/

https://i.imgur.com/JkOJQFR.png

Release Date: 1/24/2020

Tracklist:
1. Mr. Grace

2. Dope Man

3. I Don't Age

4. Pendulum (ft. Ashley Sorrell)

5. I Play Forever (ft. Grafh)

6. Ice Cream (Interlude)

7. The Block (ft. Oswin Benjamin)

8. A Generation Is Broken

9. Over Comer (ft. Westside Gunn)

10. Ms Grace (Interlude)

11. Thou Shall (ft. Kid Vishis)

12. FUBU (ft. Conway the Machine)

13. A Black Man's Favorite Shoe

14. Upside Down (ft. Ashley Sorrell & Benny the Butcher)

15. Perspective

16. Tricked (ft. KXNG Crooked)

17. Black People In America

18. Black Savage (ft. Sy Ari Da Kid, White Gold, CyHi the Prynce & T.I.)

19. Rhinestone Doo Rag

20. Young World (ft. YBN Cordae & G Perico)

21. My People Free (ft. Ashley Sorrell)

22. Hero (ft. White Gold)

That's too many songs tho haha.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

royce showed he can make a full length album that is great. in general i would be looking at albums being around 12 songs though. id say royce needs at least 16 lol

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

or that's what he alluded to on the Joe Budden podcast.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

hopefully everything is on the same level as those two tracks. thats the only thing that concerns me about the length. if he produced it all thats quite ambitious. i think hes surrounded himself with good help though.

How’s that for learning how to make beats?
Haha.

I’m curious to see if Royce who is a master of flows
finds even more ridiculous pockets to rhyme in...

Some of the best beat makers that have ill flows over their own beats
come from Detroit:

Dilla
Black Milk
Ta’Raach

-----
Cameo
Soundshape Records

>RE: Yep and production tutors are Preemo, Nottz, bink! & Mr Porter

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

>How’s that for learning how to make beats?
>Haha.
>
>I’m curious to see if Royce who is a master of flows
>finds even more ridiculous pockets to rhyme in...
>
>Some of the best beat makers that have ill flows over their
>own beats
>come from Detroit:
>
>Dilla
>Black Milk
>Ta’Raach

Great company to be in..

However, I just wish he would do a whole project prod by Milk.

-----
Cameo
Soundshape Records

some of it is fine but a lot of it just doesn't measure up (to me)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://vintagesoulmusic.tumblr.com
http://vintagehiphopmusic.tumblr.com
http://onetwann.tumblr.com

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

i guess i just hoped the production would match his pen

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://vintagesoulmusic.tumblr.com
http://vintagehiphopmusic.tumblr.com
http://onetwann.tumblr.com

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

>some of it is fine but a lot of it just doesn't measure up
>(to me)

I'm actually feeling it very much.

It definitely has a much more raw feel to it, but I enjoy the range of styles and beat patterns he displays.

He said he doesn't always make the best beat, but he thinks he makes the right beat (to accompany what he wants to do lyrically/vocally).

I'll take Royce over a Royce beat than over an Em beat any day..

and honestly, I prefer how he sounds over his own production than over Mr. Porter beats, too. Porter may be a more polished producer, but it lacks something imo. Wasn't a big fan of Monch working with him so much either.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://vintagesoulmusic.tumblr.com
http://vintagehiphopmusic.tumblr.com
http://onetwann.tumblr.com

..but this guy! WOW!!

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

I just live for the comments -Da wiz

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

>
>Peace,
>
>Spirit (Alan)
>http://wutangbook.com

Yes
over either a Black Milk or Jake One beat

....instead of the posse cut like everyone does.

Personally I'm looking forward to the song with Crooked, they both are in totally different places than when they made Gun Harmonizing so this song will probably show that.

phemom's the name, all-star writer/
searching 4 journalistic fame, mindframe igniter....www.twitter.com/hayabusaage

.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

Looking forward to it.

Which is saying something because that album is full of highlights.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

The J. Cole feature is next.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

-----
Cameo
Soundshape Records

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

But no Em verse > Em verse

because I cut that album off as soon as Eminem starts rapping every time.

He wasn’t as wack as usual on Caterpillar, but that’s still not one of the highlights of the album for me. Lots of great songs on that one, and Em contributes nothing to the direction of the album. It’s just some “look at me!” BS.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJb4nLpBxm0

Maybe they’ll grow on me. I still like it. WSG is at his best here IMO. Right in his lane.

Why’s Royce dissing Yelawolf? I never got into him anyway, just curious at what’s going on.

>Maybe they’ll grow on me. I still like it. WSG is at his
>best here IMO. Right in his lane.

I've hated the drumless-song trend since it started whenever it started. IMO you gotta put *something* there even if they're lowkey/weak.


>Why’s Royce dissing Yelawolf? I never got into him anyway,
>just curious at what’s going on.

Unless someone's close w/one of them I assume no one knows yet - he said "I ain't gon' put it on blast ..."

But I'm interested to know, too. He said something about Yela being a "vulture," and also made a Kid Rock reference, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he said and/or did some racist shit lol. Which would make this song/callout align with the direction Royce has been going with his recent output ("Black Savage" & "Field Negro" namely). It would also align with the fact that, y'know, Yela is a tatted up white dude from Alabama so chances are he's not nearly as non-racist as he prolly likes to/wants folks to think he is.

So yea I hope at some point we find out what all this is about. I saw something recently about Yela and Eminem still being cool despite the fact that Yelawolf split from Shady Records, so as little as I care about Yela (and Em, for that matter, at least recently), I'd be interested to find out whether this Yela/Royce beef has caused a new rift with the Bad Meets Evil team, a la the Royce/D12 beef back in the day.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

This dude is what, like 45 ? And somehow still getting better.

I'm so glad/fortunate (like several of us here, I know) that his early-career work w/Em caught on with me, cause as a result I've been following him pretty closely throughout his entire career. And despite a misstep here and there it's been remarkable to witness how he's never stopped growing as an MC and an artist overall. He just never stopped getting better. This dude has exponentially improved his mic game and song-writing/album-crafting game consistently for damn near 20 years now.

Props to a criminally underrated legend.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

It’s weird, with Royce I’ve gone like every 5 years where I’m really into him. Beyond “Boom” I didn’t pay close attention until Death Is Certain. And then I kinda checked out again until Street Hop. Checked out, then I got back in with Prhyme. Then again with Book of Ryan.

So it’s like 4 projects I was really on, in real time. Had to go back to the Bar Exams, Success is Certain, etc.

>It’s weird, with Royce I’ve gone like every 5 years where
>I’m really into him. Beyond “Boom” I didn’t pay close
>attention until Death Is Certain. And then I kinda checked
>out again until Street Hop. Checked out, then I got back in
>with Prhyme. Then again with Book of Ryan.
>
>So it’s like 4 projects I was really on, in real time. Had
>to go back to the Bar Exams, Success is Certain, etc.

I feel like most hip-hop fans went through that same exact rollercoaster with Royce's career. And rightfully so IMO, to an extent. You kinda hit the high points for the most part.

Like I'd say "Success is Certain" was a high point for him but not everybody felt that way. And obviously the Bad Meets Evil album was ass.

So there were some missteps, but I just feel like there's been very few, if any, MCs who have been this far into their careers and have found a way to grow like he has IMO.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

That’s the law. That’s the rule.

I just made that up, but I think it’s true.

I'll defer to you on WSG (I am, maybe embarrassingly, not very familiar with his work) but re: Ghost I can't really disagree at all ..


>That’s the law. That’s the rule.
>
>I just made that up, but I think it’s true.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

either on here or the j5 board lol. folks threw me out. i just wanted to know if it would be possible to make a rap song that didnt have any drums. not necessarily saying it would be a good thing.

if you strip a rap song down to its bare bones its a rapper and some drums right?

I was probably on that too lol

-------------------------------------------------
http://www.soundcloud.com/sectachrome

i was on that a lot and mosdefinitely too scared to post much on okp back then

Royce appears on Eminem's new album 3x haha. Guess they're fine.

Anyway Yela and Royce took Instagram shots at eachother today but I'm still not clear what their beef is. Both posts were relatively cryptic.


>I'd be interested to find out
>whether this Yela/Royce beef has caused a new rift with the
>Bad Meets Evil team, a la the Royce/D12 beef back in the day.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

his beats so far have some really dope elements but there not fully there yet.

I can agree with this..

production is not quite there in terms of being at a caliber in comparison to the lyrics/vocals/flows

but it does the job

i personally like the raw sound of it.. reminds of me of underground tapes and demos from back in the day

>
>Why’s Royce dissing Yelawolf? I never got into him anyway,
>just curious at what’s going on.

Not sure of the accuracy of this, but I think it was a Vlad video where it was explained that one of Royce's proteges (a Black dude) was sent to work with Yelawolf and his DJ (another white dude) down south and these dudes were dropping hard R n-words and generally being racist in front of the youngsta and they let him know there's nothing he could do about it because that's just how they talk around there. Apparently Royce was giving Yelawolf notice.

Give me an example (like give me a minute and second from this song) I'm gonna listen for this now.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

I'm a huge r59 fan and I legit don't even know what you're talking about.

And now that's prolly all I'll hear everytime I listen to him, and he'll go from my top 5 to not mentioned at all. Fuckin thanks man haha.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

and the wrestling references are out of control.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

slightly updated features. emanny & cedric the entertainer on dope man. premier on on the block.

1. Mr. Grace (Intro)
2. Dope Man feat. Emanny & Cedric The Entertainer
3. I Don’t Age
4. Pendulum feat. Ashley Sorrell
5. I Play Forever feat. Grafh
6. Ice Cream (Interlude)
7. On The Block feat. Oswin Benjamin & DJ Premier
8. Generation Is Broken
9. Overcomer feat. Westside Gunn
10. Mrs. Grace (Interlude)
11. Thou Shall feat. Kid Vishis
12. FUBU feat. Conway The Machine
13. A Black Man Favorite Shoe (Skit)
14. Upside Down feat. Ashley Sorrell & Benny The Butcher
15. Perspective (Skit)
16. Tricked feat. KXNG Crooked
17. Black People In America
18. Black Savage feat. Sy Ari Da Kid, White Gold, CyHi The Prynce & T.I.
19. Rhinestone Doo Rag
20. Young World feat. Vince Staples & G Perico
21. My People Free feat. Ashley Sorrell
22. Hero feat. White Gold

http://youtu.be/FaBgMAYYVQw

“Rasheed Wallace, I’m ok with a tech” -Benny

The two tracks he produced were the only two tracks I liked from the Em album.

Same/similar tempos, lacking drums, largely emotionless. The most interesting beat was easily Black Savage and we already heard that one.

He prolly shoulda eased into the production game. Maybe do like 5 or 6 tracks then let the professionals handle the rest.

It's pretty bold to drop a TWENTY TWO track self-produced album - too long even if the production is great - on your first foray into the production game.

Too bad too cause as always he's rapping his ass off. And was covering new ground so the lyrics reward repeat listens. Also too bad cause I had high hopes for his production considering the tracks that were released ahead of time.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

and saying some fake deep shit, occasionally dipping into pure misinformation. Not one but TWO "vaccines gave my kid autism" lines? Sheesh.

On his Nas shit.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

The production absolutely sucks and it suffers from the same thing BOR did in my opinion and that is lack of focus.

Not only is the semi-deep angle hit or miss, he still feels the need to add in the ignorant angle to maintain whatever credibility he feels he needs.

It’s a shame because he can rap his ass off but between the cringe-worthy lines, the half-baked concepts and the awful beats...this album is not good.

>it suffers from the same
>thing BOR did in my opinion and that is lack of focus.

I really enjoyed BOR, but man does it stray away from the theme and go in a diff direction too much. There needed to be some tracks left behind for it to be *GREAT*.

>Same/similar tempos, lacking drums, largely emotionless. The
>most interesting beat was easily Black Savage and we already
>heard that one.

No wonder it was the most interesting beat.

Stick to rhyming homie. I appreciate the drive but leave it to the pros.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415