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"Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!"
Wed Sep-18-19 02:13 PM by phemom

          

Check out a tweet from Preem about a phone call here:

https://twitter.com/REALDJPREMIER/status/1174363897903616004

A new album with unheard verses is one the way for a FINAL Gang Starr LP. More info on the way soon!

Usually this would be a bad idea, but if there's anyone that can make a posthumous album not sound like one it's DJ Premier.

Edit: There's gonna be guests.....so who y'all want on it?

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Subject Author Message Date ID
i just peed my pants a little
Sep 18th 2019
1
RE: i just peed my pants a little
Sep 18th 2019
8
ROYCE
Sep 18th 2019
2
Always.
Nov 01st 2019
153
Preemo better not be playing with my emotions
Sep 18th 2019
3
hmmmm... Preem wouldn't fumble this i don't think.
Sep 18th 2019
4
lets get a release date on the de la soul project
Sep 18th 2019
5
Great, Glad To Hear Dj Premier Is Ready To Work On That Last Album
Sep 18th 2019
6
RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!
Sep 18th 2019
7
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Sep 18th 2019
9
RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!
Sep 18th 2019
10
YES!
Sep 19th 2019
11
Don't drop a tweet ....
Sep 19th 2019
12
Well, J. Cole might be a feature
Sep 19th 2019
13
Dear god
Sep 19th 2019
14
lol i had the same reaction
Sep 19th 2019
15
: (
Sep 19th 2019
17
Gang Starr feat. J. Cole "Family And Loyalty" (Audio Lank)
Sep 19th 2019
16
Dope!
Sep 19th 2019
18
RE: Dope!
Sep 23rd 2019
49
Nice
Sep 19th 2019
19
Cole doesn’t sound right there at all. Guru rocked
Sep 20th 2019
20
you had me scared, read this before i listened
Sep 20th 2019
21
Thought the exact same thing.
Sep 20th 2019
23
I'm surprised people are cool with Cole on this
Sep 20th 2019
30
^^^ THIS MADE MY WHOLE YEAR!!! MY GOD!!!!
Sep 20th 2019
22
maaaaaaan
Sep 20th 2019
24
This makes me happy
Sep 20th 2019
25
you hit on it
Sep 20th 2019
26
This was dope...
Sep 20th 2019
27
Hotness.
Sep 20th 2019
28
can't be a phony, on this...this sounded AMAZING....
Sep 20th 2019
32
Another beautiful Premo beat from this week
Sep 20th 2019
29
what a creepy ass video.. and what a waste of a beat.
Sep 20th 2019
31
RE: what a creepy ass video.. and what a waste of a beat.
Sep 20th 2019
40
eh
Sep 20th 2019
33
RE: eh
Sep 20th 2019
34
Damn why didn't Primo saved this beat for
Sep 20th 2019
41
i thought the video was a perfect fit for the vibe of the song
Sep 22nd 2019
45
posner is kinda flowing like guru in a weird way.
Sep 22nd 2019
46
      btw increase the playback speed to 1.25 and enjoy.
Sep 22nd 2019
47
I miss Guru.
Sep 20th 2019
35
Yes.
Sep 20th 2019
36
Say it again, man
Sep 20th 2019
37
Yeah same here...
Sep 20th 2019
38
Big loss for the culture.
Sep 20th 2019
42
yep...listening to that new track at the gym this morning...
Sep 20th 2019
43
RE: I miss Guru.
Sep 20th 2019
44
the moment i heard his voice on this it felt like he was still here...
Sep 23rd 2019
48
He was one of the only rappers that could do a Premo beat
Sep 25th 2019
56
      ?
Sep 25th 2019
57
           Guru on a DJ Premier beat = perfection.
Sep 25th 2019
58
                that's a different statement
Sep 26th 2019
60
RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!
Sep 20th 2019
39
Will there be an album?
Sep 24th 2019
50
sadly, i don't think so....
Sep 24th 2019
51
I bet Primo will drop it at midnight
Sep 25th 2019
52
GODDAMMIT
Sep 25th 2019
53
That clip on Twitter made me think there was an album
Sep 25th 2019
54
don't forget he put together Big L's 2nd album
Sep 25th 2019
55
Didn't realize Premier worked on Big L's post-death album
Sep 26th 2019
61
      oh yeah he was the exec producer on it I think
Sep 26th 2019
62
      He did fall off for a while.
Sep 26th 2019
63
id take 6-8 solid ones
Sep 26th 2019
59
MAAAN, i was OK with the Cole feature as a single
Oct 07th 2019
67
Gang Starr - Family and Loyalty [Official Video] Fab 5 Freddy!!
Oct 02nd 2019
64
dope video
Oct 03rd 2019
65
for some reason...
Oct 06th 2019
66
same
Oct 07th 2019
68
DOPE!
Oct 10th 2019
70
Love this video...
Oct 11th 2019
71
NEW BIG SHUG & DJ PREMIER "STILL BIG"
Oct 08th 2019
69
AND ANOTHER ONE - "BAD NAME" tonight at midnight
Oct 17th 2019
72
This sounds dope !
Oct 17th 2019
73
love it
Oct 18th 2019
83
I love that ED O.G. vocal sample
Oct 18th 2019
94
Album confirmed 11/1!?
Oct 17th 2019
74
One Of The Best Yet - tracklist
Oct 17th 2019
75
Glad to see most of the features are the longtime affiliates/usual suspe...
Oct 18th 2019
78
Q-Tip is an interesting one...
Oct 18th 2019
82
      Yea that should be great.
Oct 18th 2019
85
      RE: Q-Tip is an interesting one...
Oct 18th 2019
88
Militia pt 4 though
Oct 18th 2019
87
Mean mug time
Oct 18th 2019
92
*RECORD SCRATCH* JERU ON A GANGSTARR TRACK?!!
Oct 18th 2019
90
i was thinking a Speak Ya Clout pt II.... but Militia IV is 👍🏼
Oct 18th 2019
95
holy fucking shit @ that line up
Oct 19th 2019
96
Big Shug confirmed this on FB
Oct 18th 2019
76
maaaan
Oct 18th 2019
77
How many beats you think Solar will have ?
Oct 18th 2019
79
respect fam but
Oct 18th 2019
80
      Very fair point.
Oct 18th 2019
86
LMAO Preem was messin with us saying it was a 1 off....
Oct 18th 2019
81
i was so happy reading this yesterday
Oct 18th 2019
84
I'm delaying my vacation just so I can have this for the ride down
Oct 18th 2019
89
“Here...we...go.”
Oct 18th 2019
93
Shit is about to be fucking epic!
Oct 19th 2019
97
This shit feels so good right now
Oct 18th 2019
91
NY Times article on how the album got made swipe.
Oct 29th 2019
98
thats not a swipe :(
Oct 29th 2019
99
I got you fam.
Oct 29th 2019
100
      RE: I got you fam.
Oct 29th 2019
102
      I know, I was like whoa
Oct 30th 2019
103
      I hope that if another record is produced...
Oct 30th 2019
104
           that actually makes a lot of sense.
Oct 30th 2019
105
                Yes perfect sense
Oct 30th 2019
106
      much appreciated
Oct 30th 2019
107
      it bears mentioning again: #FuckSolar.
Oct 31st 2019
111
Not only that he’s a real dumb dumb
Nov 02nd 2019
156
This should be the vintage days...
Oct 29th 2019
101
im waiting to listen til i get up with my mans on saturday
Oct 30th 2019
108
its out there :)
Oct 31st 2019
109
drip
Oct 31st 2019
110
oh my......
Oct 31st 2019
112
i need a report on this album - STAT!
Oct 31st 2019
113
A new Gangstarr album comes out tomorrow.
Oct 31st 2019
114
Jeru's on a cut.
Nov 01st 2019
115
This MOP track is so good
Nov 01st 2019
116
shit is flames
Nov 01st 2019
123
I loved that that was the FIRST song after the intro
Nov 13th 2019
183
      I've never cared for MOP all that much but that track is #1.
Nov 13th 2019
184
Gang Starr has got to be the sure short and it’s like that!!!!!!
Nov 01st 2019
117
Listening to it now
Nov 01st 2019
118
Never thought I would hear Jeru over a Primeo beat again
Nov 01st 2019
119
Get Together sounds like it could be the next single
Nov 01st 2019
120
      shame, cause Ne-Yo doesn't belong on a Gang Starr album. Ever.
Nov 01st 2019
146
I get a Zonin vibe from Bless The Mic
Nov 01st 2019
121
      The What I'm Here 4 hook threw me off tho
Nov 02nd 2019
161
If this is the last one, it's a proper send off
Nov 01st 2019
122
37 minutes is just fine
Nov 01st 2019
124
Bingo
Nov 13th 2019
187
      Did you not like it previously ?!
Nov 13th 2019
189
True indeed. On my first listen and loving it
Nov 01st 2019
128
      thats unfortunate
Nov 01st 2019
131
      i thought Kweli had one of the better guest performances..
Nov 01st 2019
134
      I liked his verse...
Nov 01st 2019
132
      i want a remix of family and loyalty
Nov 01st 2019
143
           I would like to see Elzhi on the remix actually
Nov 01st 2019
151
This album deserves an anchored post
Nov 01st 2019
125
u know it's gon be good when u rewind the intro 10 times...
Nov 01st 2019
126
Only 10???
Nov 01st 2019
127
Man, what!!!!!!!!
Nov 01st 2019
129
that intro gave me the chills, fam....
Nov 01st 2019
133
That intro nearly had me in tears
Nov 01st 2019
136
I would pay for a Gangstarr Foundation tour
Nov 01st 2019
130
^^^^^
Nov 02nd 2019
162
I turned it off in the middle of the 1st full song (after the intro)...
Nov 01st 2019
135
nah, they have both (link)
Nov 01st 2019
138
That's weird...
Nov 01st 2019
141
Seriously ?!?!!! This is fucking devastating.
Nov 01st 2019
139
Nah..I downloaded the explicit jawn on my phone this morning.
Nov 01st 2019
145
I'm listening to the explicit as we speak
Nov 02nd 2019
159
      The first 8 tracks (including intro)
Nov 02nd 2019
160
           Royce is the best.
Nov 02nd 2019
163
Stayed up last night for the drop, then played all the way to work
Nov 01st 2019
137
feels like the mid-90's all over again...
Nov 01st 2019
140
fantastic
Nov 01st 2019
142
so this is actually a re-used verse
Nov 04th 2019
165
      anyone have any info/thoughts on this?
Nov 06th 2019
170
           i think he hinted at this on sway
Nov 11th 2019
179
                that kinda makes sense
Nov 11th 2019
180
                     i dont even know
Nov 11th 2019
181
                          yes thats true
Nov 11th 2019
182
This is absolutely beautiful.
Nov 01st 2019
144
Rolling Stone Premo interview (swipe)
Nov 01st 2019
147
Where Primeo talked about the ritual....Wow
Nov 02nd 2019
157
Was RS subtweeting Solar by calling Preem a "superproducer" ?
Nov 04th 2019
167
      shout out to My_SP1200_Broken_Again who called him 'Super POOPER'
Nov 18th 2019
200
One thing I wondered about was...
Nov 01st 2019
148
RE: One thing I wondered about was...
Nov 01st 2019
152
Facts.
Nov 01st 2019
154
he got 30 Pro Tools files, from what he said
Nov 11th 2019
177
      beyond what he got from Solar
Nov 11th 2019
178
This What's Real track goes hard.
Nov 01st 2019
149
Yep !
Nov 01st 2019
155
      But my personal standout is From A Distance.
Nov 02nd 2019
158
           RE: But my personal standout is From A Distance.
Nov 03rd 2019
164
                hate to be greedy.. but i want MORE Jeru+Premier
Nov 04th 2019
168
One listen through, dope
Nov 01st 2019
150
Gets better on every listen
Nov 04th 2019
166
Yeah... been listening more and more.
Nov 13th 2019
186
So good to hear that boom bap
Nov 06th 2019
169
so cole was the third choice?
Nov 07th 2019
171
guess the liner notes was a shot at those fools
Nov 07th 2019
172
      im a bit confused on the time line
Nov 07th 2019
173
           maybe Tip
Nov 07th 2019
174
                theres so many rappers that skill wise would have fit the track
Nov 07th 2019
175
                     Joey Bada$$
Nov 07th 2019
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                          gross
Nov 13th 2019
185
                               huh? How would Drake have been any less pandering?
Nov 13th 2019
188
                               Bear in mind who the last couple of Gang Starr albums had in them...
Nov 13th 2019
190
                               how in the hell is Joey pandering?
Nov 14th 2019
192
                               I know exactly what that word means.
Nov 14th 2019
194
                                    "pandering" requires a large market to appeal to
Nov 14th 2019
195
                                         "Pandering" absolutely does not require a "large market"
Nov 14th 2019
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                                              by definition, you are correct
Nov 14th 2019
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                                              Yea fair enough.
Nov 14th 2019
198
                                              So... to sum up...
Nov 15th 2019
199
                               Drake is a good writer.
Nov 14th 2019
193
                               i have no idea what in the fuck you're even trying to say
Nov 14th 2019
191
uh-oh - issue with the song "What's Real"
Nov 21st 2019
201
RE: uh-oh - issue with the song "What's Real"
Nov 21st 2019
202
      I call BS on this one
Nov 23rd 2019
203
Glowing Mics Remix! (feat. Big Shug)
Apr 17th 2021
204

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1. "i just peed my pants a little"
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holy shit this could be boss.
really sad guru wasted those final years with that solar clown, this would be a nice final chapter.

  

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8. "RE: i just peed my pants a little"
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Not the only one!
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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2. "ROYCE"
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3. "Preemo better not be playing with my emotions"
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If it happens, I'm copping on damn near every format

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4. "hmmmm... Preem wouldn't fumble this i don't think."
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>Check out a tweet from Preem about a phone call here:
>
>https://twitter.com/REALDJPREMIER/status/1174363897903616004
>
>A new album with unheard verses is one the way for a FINAL
>Gang Starr LP. More info on the way soon!
>
>Usually this would be a bad idea, but if there's anyone that
>can make a posthumous album not sound like one it's DJ
>Premier.
>
>Edit: There's gonna be guests.....so who y'all want on it?



Jeru, Group Home, Big Shug & Afu Ra... Keep it GSF






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5. "lets get a release date on the de la soul project"
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then ill get my hopes up for this.

  

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6. "Great, Glad To Hear Dj Premier Is Ready To Work On That Last Album"
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I know it's been a tough road to even think of releasing new Gang Starr tunes and even want to go ahead with a final album, especially with all the legal issues with Guru's family, Premier establishing himself with solid ground and forming his own record label, getting his own studio (after D&D/Headqcourterz closed down), building & mending relationships with past G.S. Foundation members & etc.

He probably had a ton of unreleased stuff sitting in the vault and unused accapppelas of Guru from others, this will be a solid effort cause Premier doesn't just put anything together until he feels it's done.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the well known Gang Starr Foundation artists (Lil Dap, Melachi, Big Shug, Jeru, Afu-Ra, Freddie Foxxx, & Krumbsnatcha, The NYG'z), M.O.P., Teflon, Ed O G., as guests on this last G.S. album.


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7. "RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!"
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I'm in...maybe a track with GURU and Nas trading verses?

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9. "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!"
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10. "RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!"
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I heard about this rumor years ago. I have been hoping that it would be true one day. We do need one more Gangstarr album to end it right.

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11. "YES!"
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Assuming this is like The Big Picture where they will need guests to fill out the album, I would do this very strategically and logically:

MOP feature
OC & Jeru feature
Group Home feature
Big Shug and Freddie Foxx feature
Torae and Skyzoo feature
Nas and Jay-Z feature
Bun B and Scarface feature
Snoop and Kurupt feature
Jadakiss and Deck feature
Royce feature

Stick to the formula
Don’t try to bring in new MCs
Don’t make it too long

  

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If that shit ain't done!!!!!


Can't wait.


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13. "Well, J. Cole might be a feature"
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https://twitter.com/REALDJPREMIER/status/1174709696558698498?s=19

  

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There goes any excitement

  

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15. "lol i had the same reaction"
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to be honest gang starr has always (or towards the later albums) had some features that i wouldnt expect or be excited for. some work some dont.

ill wait to hear it before judging. im skeptical as a whole but if this album is dope then it will be a great surprise.

  

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17. ": ("
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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16. "Gang Starr feat. J. Cole "Family And Loyalty" (Audio Lank)"
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This is dope, you can tell the first and second verses from Guru were from two different takes but it's still fits like a glove, if this is any indication of how this last Gang Starr album will sound this this will be a solid album from beginning to end...as usual.

"Family And Loyalty ": https://beatmuzic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/gang-starr-ft-j-cole--family-and-loyalty.mp3


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18. "Dope!"
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I’m feeling this...classic vibe and Cole doesn’t attempt any of his bullshit singing...quality!

  

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49. "RE: Dope!"
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>I’m feeling this...classic vibe and Cole doesn’t attempt any of his bullshit singing...quality!

  

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I thought I would never experience a new Gangstarr single again. I'm cherishing this.

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20. "Cole doesn’t sound right there at all. Guru rocked"
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Why is Cole rapping so fast? I listened to this on Spotify this morning and was like “can Cole even hear the beat he’s rapping on?” Dude is rapping like he’s on coke. Preem should have made him do it again

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21. "you had me scared, read this before i listened"
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whatever, he's fine on this (and thats from someone who really doesn't care for J.Cole)

I do imagine this record might be guest-heavy tho, just to compensate for limited guru verses - so I do hope preem was judicious with them generally speaking.

  

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23. "Thought the exact same thing."
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Guru did his chill monotone dope Guru thing ... then Cole came in on speed and I like jumped back from my speaker lol.


>Why is Cole rapping so fast? I listened to this on Spotify
>this morning and was like “can Cole even hear the beat
>he’s rapping on?” Dude is rapping like he’s on coke.
>Preem should have made him do it again
>
>Peace,
>
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30. "I'm surprised people are cool with Cole on this"
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It also is probably a sign of the kinds of guests that will be on the album.

Those hoping for Jeru, etc will probably be extremely disappointed.


  

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22. "^^^ THIS MADE MY WHOLE YEAR!!! MY GOD!!!!"
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RIP Mighty GURU!!!!



  

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24. "maaaaaaan"
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as soon as the beat started i was in. great to hear guru and premier again. didnt mind j cole.

sorry for any doubt.

  

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25. "This makes me happy"
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Definitely 2 different takes from Guru, but just hearing him spit on some GangStarr track (not just a Premier track) almost made my eye water. J. Cole was spitting a little fast at the beginning but settled in near the middle of his verse, so it wasn't overly egregious.

If there is enough material for a new album, I'd be happy hearing it. That said, I's worry it would sound more like Born Again

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26. "you hit on it"
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>Definitely 2 different takes from Guru, but just hearing him
>spit on some GangStarr track (not just a Premier track) almost
>made my eye water.
this instantly said gang starr. i think i was worried it would have a phryme sound to it but nah premier obviously knows what hes doing.

>If there is enough material for a new album, I'd be happy
>hearing it. That said, I's worry it would sound more like Born
>Again
i hope they dont try to stretch it out to more tracks then there is good material for. if its 8-12 great songs id be happy. j coles verse definitely too me to born again. like all the guests didnt really try to pretend they were originally part of the song. it was more like tribute verses. its weird but i guess it makes sense.

  

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27. "This was dope..."
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I think Guru & J. Cole were both nice on this. If this is any indication of what's coming, I'm hyped.

  

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28. "Hotness. "
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______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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32. "can't be a phony, on this...this sounded AMAZING...."
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classic Premo (one of the beats so beautiful, you could cry)
GURU rapping made my heart happy
Cole demolished his verse and it was topical.

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29. "Another beautiful Premo beat from this week"
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wish he would have kept this for the Gang Starr album https://t.co/4V9Oj2H34h?amp=1

  

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31. "what a creepy ass video.. and what a waste of a beat."
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40. "RE: what a creepy ass video.. and what a waste of a beat."
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agreed...

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33. "eh"
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>wish he would have kept this for the Gang Starr album

it doesnt have the primo punch that I want out of Gangs Starr records, personally

  

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34. "RE: eh"
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>it doesnt have the primo punch that I want out of Gangs Starr
>records, personally

I hear you, think it would make a good beat for a solemn tribute track though. Although we know Premier likes to cater his beats to who he is working for so hopefully there will be a lot of punchy Gang Starr records on the new one.

  

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41. "Damn why didn't Primo saved this beat for "
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In Memory of pt.2 or something similar for this upcoming GangStarr album. SP1200 is right, a big waste of a beat.

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45. "i thought the video was a perfect fit for the vibe of the song"
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Introspective song with a video that forces you to focus on the music because there is literally almost nothing happening onscreen. In an ADD world, that was a particularly bold choice to basically have a one take almost completely static closeup of someone’s face for the duration. The smile at the end was the payoff. Also the lyrics were top notch and the sung hook worked well with the pianos in the track.

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46. "posner is kinda flowing like guru in a weird way."
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47. "btw increase the playback speed to 1.25 and enjoy."
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35. "I miss Guru."
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36. "Yes."
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37. "Say it again, man"
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I miss Guru

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38. "Yeah same here..."
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even though I would’ve preferred a Jazzmatazz album over a Gang Starr one, this will definitely suffice.

  

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42. "Big loss for the culture. "
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Peace,

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43. "yep...listening to that new track at the gym this morning..."
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I had a huge smile on my face...but, at the same time, it sucked. R.I.P. Baldhead Slick

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44. "RE: I miss Guru."
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Maannnnnn...good to hear the brothers voice again...

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48. "the moment i heard his voice on this it felt like he was still here..."
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56. "He was one of the only rappers that could do a Premo beat"
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proper justice.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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57. "?"
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Not sure what this even means....

  

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58. "Guru on a DJ Premier beat = perfection. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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60. "that's a different statement "
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Because obviously there have been MANY MCs to do a Primo beat justice.

  

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39. "RE: Uh.....Gang Starr back!?!"
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So hyped for this

I would like to hear Jeru, Big Shug, Group Home, Bumpy Knuckles, MOP, MC Eiht, Evidence, Royce, Deck, Scarface

  

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50. "Will there be an album?"
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Just listened to this Sway interview, and Preemo says it's just a single and doesn't say there's an album coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kihakmdJbfs

The way he says it kinda sounds like he's winking at the same time, and that little video with the Nas voicemail, he says "album".

How he was talking about that extra vocal though didn't come off like there was a lot to choose from.
Do you think there's a full record on the way?

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51. "sadly, i don't think so...."
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52. "I bet Primo will drop it at midnight "
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and tell people about it that day

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53. "GODDAMMIT"
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54. "That clip on Twitter made me think there was an album"
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I'm let down that the single is a one off because an album of 12 or 14 tracks of unheard verses from Guru would be dope.

The single showed to me that Premier is capable of pulling an album like that off (not that there was any real reason to doubt him).

I'm hoping against facts that an album comes out.

  

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55. "don't forget he put together Big L's 2nd album"
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in addition to producing a part of it, he's well fit for it especially considering this is Guru we're talking about

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61. "Didn't realize Premier worked on Big L's post-death album"
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I was more referring to the critique that the quality of Premier's beats has fallen off. To be honest, I fell in this camp for some time. But after the Phryme albums, he's shown that he's still got heat, at least to me.

Premier's knowledge of music is so extensive that I wouldn't see a reason why he couldn't put together a great project.

  

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62. "oh yeah he was the exec producer on it I think"
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but I fell you though, he showed out in a major way on Prhyme. Check Combat Jack (RIP)'s interview on them if you haven't heard it. Adrian Younge himself said on some songs Primo's chops confused even him

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63. "He did fall off for a while."
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But had that resurgence in 2014-2015 (PRhyme like you said, and a bunch of other stray works) and has mostly stayed on point since.

But yea he produced a couple joints on The Big Picture. The "Intro" being by far the best of the bunch and one of my favorite Primo beats ever.

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59. "id take 6-8 solid ones"
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>I'm let down that the single is a one off because an album of
>12 or 14 tracks of unheard verses from Guru would be dope.

  

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67. "MAAAN, i was OK with the Cole feature as a single"
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like a single off a record
but if you're literally just doing a one-off gangstarr song??
there is NO NEEEEED for cole to be up on that shit. if you need a feature it should have been family (shug, foxxx, somebody)

  

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64. "Gang Starr - Family and Loyalty [Official Video] Fab 5 Freddy!!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=iMsdzxuldQM






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65. "dope video"
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Love seeing the GURU footage.


werd.

  

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66. "for some reason..."
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...listening to it the second time, Cole's verse sounds better. Maybe it's because I watched him do it with the rapper hands/stage presence thing going LOL

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68. "same"
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Liked his verse way better watching him perform it....

makes me miss videos....


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70. "DOPE!"
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feels good to hear....sounds like that good Gang Starr that I miss...


how'd we get so far away from this sound!??

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71. "Love this video..."
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seeing Preem taking Guru's son through the hood like that had me a little misty..

Gangstarr was an epic group

  

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69. "NEW BIG SHUG & DJ PREMIER "STILL BIG""
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skeEvDh48Y4



  

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72. "AND ANOTHER ONE - "BAD NAME" tonight at midnight"
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73. "This sounds dope !"
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83. "love it"
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94. "I love that ED O.G. vocal sample"
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Everything about this song feels right. I definitely wish I had an extra verse, but yeah, this is dope.

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74. "Album confirmed 11/1!?"
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https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/gang-starr-announce-stacked-new-album-with-bad-name-new-song.1984876.html


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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75. "One Of The Best Yet - tracklist"
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line ups look dope:

1) The Sure Shot (Intro)
2) Lights Out (Feat. M.O.P.)
3) Bad Name
4) Hit Man (Feat. Q-Tip)
5) What’s Real (Feat. Group Home & Royce 5’9″)
6) Keith Casim Elam (Interlude)
7) From A Distance (Feat. Jeru The Damaja)
8) Family And Loyalty (Feat. J. Cole)
9) Get Together (Feat. Ne-Yo & Nitty Scott)
10) NYGz/GS 183rd (Interlude)
11) So Many Rappers
12) Business Or Art (Feat. Talib Kweli)
13) Bring It Back Here
14) One Of The Best Yet (Big Shug Interlude)’
15) Take Flight (Militia, Pt. 4) (Feat. Big Shug & Freddie Foxxx0
16) Bless the Mic


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82. "Q-Tip is an interesting one... "
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85. "Yea that should be great."
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88. "RE: Q-Tip is an interesting one... "
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Hyped for this...

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87. "Militia pt 4 though"
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92. "Mean mug time"
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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90. "*RECORD SCRATCH* JERU ON A GANGSTARR TRACK?!!"
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95. "i was thinking a Speak Ya Clout pt II.... but Militia IV is 👍🏼"
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96. "holy fucking shit @ that line up"
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76. "Big Shug confirmed this on FB"
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I knew I wanted a Gang Starr album for Christmas but I didn't know I was getting it for Halloween

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77. "maaaan"
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im not even fucking around with this
not listening to the 2nd single he dropped last night
not listening to anything else that may drop between now and then
not gonna download the leak
gonna listen to this straight thru, for the first time, with my A1 gang starr fan homie and a thick ass swisher that weekend.
what a fucking gift.

  

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79. "How many beats you think Solar will have ?"
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Whatever happened to that fuckin clown anyway ? Wasn't he supposed to blow up any day now, a decade ago ?

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80. "respect fam but"
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we shouldn't even mention that fucks name in here

  

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84. "i was so happy reading this yesterday"
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i ended up watching the hot 97 interview after lol

cant wait to hear this. line up looks great.

  

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89. "I'm delaying my vacation just so I can have this for the ride down"
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93. "“Here...we...go.” "
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I hope that Nas message is at least the intro lol

  

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97. "Shit is about to be fucking epic!"
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91. "This shit feels so good right now"
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When I saw that track list and I listened to Bad News, I feel like I have so much energy right now. Like a part of me was resurrected.

This and Black Moon, man this is a amazing time right now.

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98. "NY Times article on how the album got made swipe."
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I like that the Times gets to uncover bigger albums before anyone else.

I forgot all about the Premier sneaking into a hospital and the supposed last words note. Solar is a true scumbag...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/arts/music/gang-starr-album.html

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99. "thats not a swipe :("
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this is all im allowed to read:

Fans Were Surprised to Get More Gang Starr. They Almost Didn’t.
The rap duo’s last album was released in 2003. After the death of its M.C., Guru, and an ongoing dispute between the producers DJ Premier and DJ Solar, a posthumous release is on the way.

The last time DJ Premier saw Guru, his partner in the influential 1980s and ’90s rap group Gang Starr, it was March 2010. Gang Starr hadn’t dropped an album in seven years, and the duo had stopped communicating entirely. But the time to make amends had come too late: The 48-year-old rapper was in a medically induced coma at Good Samaritan Hospital in Rockland County, N.Y., living out his last days with multiple myeloma, a rare form of cancer.

  

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100. "I got you fam."
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...my bad


The last time DJ Premier saw Guru, his partner in the influential 1980s and ’90s rap group Gang Starr, it was March 2010. Gang Starr hadn’t dropped an album in seven years, and the duo had stopped communicating entirely. But the time to make amends had come too late: The 48-year-old rapper was in a medically induced coma at Good Samaritan Hospital in Rockland County, N.Y., living out his last days with multiple myeloma, a rare form of cancer.

“His eyes were open, fluttering,” DJ Premier, 53, said in an interview this month at HeadQCourterz Studios in Queens, a space stuffed with platinum and gold plaques inside the sprawling production complex that houses the “Sesame Street” set. “I just looked at him: This should not be you.” He remembered placing a Gang Starr shirt on his friend’s chest and telling him, “I love you, man. Anything happens to you, I’ll make sure your family’s good. I’ll never let you down. We’re Gang Starr forever.”

Guru, born Keith Elam, formed Gang Starr with friends from Boston in the late 1980s; when the rest of the group split, he relocated to New York and teamed with DJ Premier, a gifted producer from Texas. From 1989 to 2003 the pair released six critically acclaimed albums that showcased Guru’s slick baritone gliding over Premier’s hardened beats. Their songs “DWYCK,” “Mass Appeal” and “You Know My Steez” became hip-hop staples, and the two musicians thrived separately, too: Guru with his jazz-rap fusion series “Jazzmatazz,” and Premier as an in-demand producer for the Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z and Nas.

After a period of drift sparked by tensions over alcohol, money and credit, the duo had lost touch. And when Guru died just weeks after Premier’s hospital visit, the chances of new Gang Starr music appeared to have died along with him — at least until this past September, when “Family and Loyalty,” the first Gang Starr song in 16 years, was released (it included previously unheard Guru verses and a feature from J. Cole). On Friday, a full-length LP titled “One of the Best Yet” will arrive. It is potentially the first of two posthumous Gang Starr albums, which have taken nearly a decade to bring to life

“Everything we’re doing is really for him, to keep his legacy alive,” said Guru’s son, KC Elam, who was 9 when his father died.

The journey to new Gang Starr music has been complicated by years of legal battles and conflicting personal accounts. And it’s not over yet.

It began with a letter Guru was said to have written on his deathbed that removed Premier from his legacy. “I had nothing to do with him in life for over 7 years and want nothing to do with him in death,” it read in part.

For years, there were questions about its authenticity, and the letter remained a point of contention. In lieu of a will, it was the only document that expressed Guru’s last wishes, and it highly praised John Mosher, known as DJ Solar, a producer he’d met in 2001 when Gang Starr was working on “The Ownerz,” its sixth and final LP. By then the group was already splintering. Guru’s drinking, long an issue, had become problematic.

“He was a functioning alcoholic,” said the rapper Big Shug, a Gang Starr affiliate who helped Guru start the group. “He definitely had an issue.” Shug said that Premier’s rising profile as an A-list producer formed a wedge between the duo. “Guru always felt like he discovered Premier,” he said. “He might have felt that Premier owed him more.”

In a phone interview from his attorney’s office in Nyack, N.Y., Solar, 56, said that Guru had many issues with Premier: He said Guru believed Premier was involved when Guru was robbed and pistol-whipped in 1999; and that he was shorted money and credit by the group’s managers and accountants. “It’s no secret within the industry that Guru felt abused, he felt ripped off,” Solar said.

“It’s really unfortunate that after all these years that guy is still making things up,” DJ Premier said. “We didn’t even know him back then and didn’t meet him until years later. Since then, he has systematically tried to tarnish the Gang Starr legacy and diminish everything that Guru and I built.”

In 2005, after Gang Starr was dropped by Virgin Records, Guru and Solar launched a record label together, 7 Grand Records. Solar said their friendship was swift and genuine: “We met in Harlem and we became fast friends.”

Despite the cold war between Premier and Guru, few in hip-hop believed that the classic Gang Starr lineup was over forever.

“When Guru passed, everyone was trying to figure out what happened,” said Fab 5 Freddy, who directed some of Gang Starr’s early music videos and returned for the “Family and Loyalty” clip.
The situation was confused further by odd developments during Guru’s hospitalization.

Someone posted misleading information about Guru’s condition on his Twitter account while he was reportedly in a coma. Premier said he had to sneak into the hospital to say goodbye, bribing a hospital worker who wanted the producer to listen to his demo tape. “I’ll sign you,” Premier said he told him. (Solar said, “I never, at any time, stopped Premier or his sister, or brother, or anybody in the family from seeing Guru.”)

After Guru’s death, Solar and Guru’s family battled over his estate. Guru’s oncologist testified in court that the rapper had never awakened from his coma and would have been incapable of writing the deathbed letter. In 2014, a Rockland County judge ruled against Solar, giving control of the rapper’s estate to Guru’s family, forcing Solar to cease all business pertaining to Guru and Gang Starr, and ordering him to pay back nearly $170,000 in checks, withdrawals, royalties and life insurance payouts that had been misappropriated. But that wasn’t all the family was after.

“I knew if Solar had any recordings that Guru had made, those would be important to get also,” Mark Levinsohn, the Elam family’s attorney, said in an interview.
Premier was convinced there were unreleased vocals in the vault. “I knew there had to be material out there that was sitting on, I could just feel it,” he said. “Guru’s like Tupac. He just records and records and records. I felt like it was a rescue mission.”

Premier and Solar weren’t on speaking terms, and the case was wrapped up in appeal. But in 2016, Premier received word that Solar was ready to sell. “Whatever the ransom’s going to be, I’ll pay for it,” he said he remembered thinking.

According to Premier, the parties settled on a figure in exchange for 30 unreleased recordings and made a deal. “Some of them had two verses, some of them had a verse, some of them just had a hook and then faded,” Premier said. “I was like, ‘Yeah, there’s enough to do something.’” He took the tracks and started to rework them into the songs that appear on “One of the Best Yet.”

According to Solar, there was “no valid agreement,” and he sees the songs being released this week as essentially stolen from him. “These are songs that me and Guru wrote together,” he said. Solar contends that the recordings, made between 2005 and 2009, were intended for a Gang Starr album — a reunion project featuring production from Premier, himself and other producers. He said he handed over Guru’s vocals because “I believed this was going to be a healing process,” and he didn’t expect his production contributions to be erased. He said he plans to take legal action unless his name is added to the album’s credits, and after that, he’d like to reconnect with Guru’s son. “I’m always for healing,” he said.

DJ Premier’s manager Ian Schwartzman responded in a statement: “These are baseless and outrageous accusations and they absolutely have no merit. I suggest he reference the legal agreement he signed.” (The New York Times has reviewed a notarized document signed by Solar in 2017 that states he is not a songwriter, producer or performer on the master recordings.)

Premier said he spent 18 months locked down at HeadQCourterz, retrofitting new production for his old partner’s rhymes. When he arrived at the studio each day, he’d perform a sage-burning ritual over an urn containing some of his friend’s ashes. “So many things surrounded him at the end, it was a good way to clear all the evil energy,” he said.

He added that Guru’s spirit guided the creative process: “I know what a Gang Starr album that’s done is supposed to sound like. I know what he would like.”

The album is a 16-track-long journey through the group’s different sonic periods. In addition to J. Cole, the guest list includes Talib Kweli, Royce da 5’9” and Q-Tip, as well as longtime affiliates M.O.P., Big Shug and Jeru the Damaja.

News of the album’s release has longtime fans excited. “It’s a joy to hear Guru’s voice,” said the actor Jonah Hill, who listened to Gang Starr’s music while writing his 2018 film “Mid90s.” Nas, one of the group’s New York contemporaries, said he would have hoped the duo could have reconciled by now. “When a group that started in ’89 puts out a record today, there’s a history lesson to learn,” he said. “For us to have this, it makes us kind of wonder what would it be like to see Premier and Guru today, onstage, live.”
For Premier, the process of making the album was an emotional journey that offered something rare: “I’ve been wanting this closure for a long time,” he said. “And I feel like this album does it.”




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102. "RE: I got you fam."
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>>> . It is potentially the first of two posthumous Gang Starr album


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104. "I hope that if another record is produced..."
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that it will be a Jazzmatazz record.

  

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105. "that actually makes a lot of sense."
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106. "Yes perfect sense"
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111. "it bears mentioning again: #FuckSolar."
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>After Guru’s death, Solar and Guru’s family battled over
>his estate. Guru’s oncologist testified in court that the
>rapper had never awakened from his coma and would have been
>incapable of writing the deathbed letter. In 2014, a Rockland
>County judge ruled against Solar, giving control of the
>rapper’s estate to Guru’s family, forcing Solar to cease
>all business pertaining to Guru and Gang Starr, and ordering
>him to pay back nearly $170,000 in checks, withdrawals,
>royalties and life insurance payouts that had been
>misappropriated. But that wasn’t all the family was after.

pesky thing that, the testimony of people under oath in court.

Solar was straight bullshitting his way over Guru's affairs when he was in a coma, and got caught on it by the doctor.

I lost my father the same year Guru died and it was a lot of the same themes going on afterwards, that listening to DJ Premier's account of things on QLS a couple years back brought ALL those feelings back.

Even when Freddie Foxx mentioned it on "Bumpy And Premier" from the KOLEXXXION album as a no-names-named aside I just nodded knowingly.

#FuckSolar now and forever.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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156. "Not only that he’s a real dumb dumb"
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>Solar is a true scumbag...

How is this ole “superproducer” have unheard vocals and not release them on his own since they were “partners?”

  

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hip bopper
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101. "This should be the vintage days..."
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because this album would’ve sprung a leak by now!!!!

Nah’ mean... lol

  

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fontgangsta
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108. "im waiting to listen til i get up with my mans on saturday"
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gonna have an old school listening party

  

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109. "its out there :)"
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>because this album would’ve sprung a leak by now!!!!

  

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110. "drip"
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112. "oh my......"
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113. "i need a report on this album - STAT!"
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114. "A new Gangstarr album comes out tomorrow."
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Goddamn. Not a feeling I thought I'd ever have again.

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115. "Jeru's on a cut."
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Group Home is on the hook of another cut the features Royce 5'9. I'm still checking the album out right now.

  

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116. "This MOP track is so good"
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A wise man once said fuck what a wise man said...

oh shit Group Home on this Royce track. Damn, I needed this album.

  

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123. "shit is flames"
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JUST put this on

Strong AF way to open an album

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We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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183. "I loved that that was the FIRST song after the intro"
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going right into the M.O.P

  

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184. "I've never cared for MOP all that much but that track is #1."
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Best track on the whole album IMO. I love that beat so much and it was just the perfect opener.

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hip bopper
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117. "Gang Starr has got to be the sure short and it’s like that!!!!!!"
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that’s the s**t (c) GURU

  

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118. "Listening to it now"
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I'm not even thinking about work today.

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119. "Never thought I would hear Jeru over a Primeo beat again"
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120. "Get Together sounds like it could be the next single"
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146. "shame, cause Ne-Yo doesn't belong on a Gang Starr album. Ever."
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Not saying Gang Starr can't rock over sung hooks.

Not even saying Ne-Yo isn't talented.

But the dude style is wild moist for boom-bap Primo beats.

Didn't enjoy his spot too much.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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121. "I get a Zonin vibe from Bless The Mic"
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When I first heard Zonin had this feeling while listening to it. I get that same feeling when I'm listening to Bless The Mic and I just want to listen to it over and over.

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161. "The What I'm Here 4 hook threw me off tho"
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122. "If this is the last one, it's a proper send off"
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It's probably the shortest Gang Starr album, but that's understandable under the circumstance.

Favorite tracks,
Bad Name
So Many Rappers
Take Flight(Militia Pt. 4)
Bless The Mic

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124. "37 minutes is just fine"
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this joint is fantastic and reminds me a lot of tribe's farewell album

  

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Dr Claw
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187. "Bingo"
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>this joint is fantastic and reminds me a lot of tribe's
>farewell album

I was running those two albums (and Little Brother's latest) mostly on vacation.

That Tribe album is a lot better than I remember. Mostly because of how Phife fits in and still sounds like "Phife"

  

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189. "Did you not like it previously ?!"
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>That Tribe album is a lot better than I remember.

IMO that album was perfect from day 1.

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128. "True indeed. On my first listen and loving it"
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So far Tribe and Gangstarr have come back with solid sendoff albums. All I need now is Outkast and Blackstar. One more for the culture, fellas

Edit: Kweli should have spent more time on his verse. Still not a fan of how Cole flowed on Family and Loyalty either.

Peace,

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131. "thats unfortunate"
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>Edit: Kweli should have spent more time on his verse.

you'd think, knowing what this is, every feature on here would really want to raise the bar

  

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134. "i thought Kweli had one of the better guest performances.."
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...and i kinda scoffed at the idea of him being on the LP when i read the tracklisting



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WarriorPoet415
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132. "I liked his verse..."
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one of the best punchlines he had in a while "there ain't no yelp reviews for goons, nigga"

It took him a couple bars to pick it up but I thought he finished strong.

Wasn't a fan of Q-Tip just doing the hook on Hit Man, and it kinda sounded stupid the first couple of times with the sound effects.

Thought MOP came hard though. Also thought Group Home's contribution would have been bigger.

If anyone needed to work a little harder it was maybe Nitty Scott. Then again that song in general is one of the lower points of the album.

We really don't need Ne-Yo on a Gangstarr album, ever.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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143. "i want a remix of family and loyalty"
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>Still not a fan of how Cole flowed on Family and Loyalty either.
>

just take cole out or replace him. his verse isnt bad but it kind of clashes with the feel of it.

  

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151. "I would like to see Elzhi on the remix actually"
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125. "This album deserves an anchored post"
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CHOP-THESE-BITCHES!!!!
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Un-OK'd moderator for The Lesson and Make The Music (yes, I do's work up in here, and in your asscrease if you run foul of this

  

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126. "u know it's gon be good when u rewind the intro 10 times..."
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...before wanting to get to the next joint ...what a treat this album is RIP Mighty Guru!



  

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127. "Only 10???"
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Man I hit that rewind at least 20 times!!!!

  

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129. "Man, what!!!!!!!!"
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After my first go round with the album, I listed to it for like ten minutes
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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133. "that intro gave me the chills, fam...."
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136. "That intro nearly had me in tears"
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Just the volume of good music from those two...One of the best yet indeed

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__________________________

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130. "I would pay for a Gangstarr Foundation tour "
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Give part of the proceeds to Guru’s kids, just like the album

MOP
Freddie Foxx
Jeru
Group Home

Have surprise guests do their classic cameo verses in different cities (Nice n Smooth, Deck, etc)

Could be like the Okayplayer tour

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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162. "^^^^^"
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Marbles
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135. "I turned it off in the middle of the 1st full song (after the intro)..."
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Spotify only has the edited version!! Nope, I'm gonna need all the Gangstarr I can get with no interruptions.

  

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138. "nah, they have both (link)"
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https://open.spotify.com/album/4VxyKgulAGSpJwhIJjgiJr?si=eP0qHtZuTRqfHUhXzfOkKg

  

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141. "That's weird..."
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>https://open.spotify.com/album/4VxyKgulAGSpJwhIJjgiJr?si=eP0qHtZuTRqfHUhXzfOkKg

Your link brought it up the explicit version on my computer.

But on my phone, I clicked on the album from the list in New Releases. That one only played the edited version.

So I went to their artist page and clicked on the album from there. Still just the edited one. I'll keep checking tho.



  

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139. "Seriously ?!?!!! This is fucking devastating."
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> Spotify only has the edited version!!

Now what am I gonna do on my ride home. You just ruined my day. Goddamnit.

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145. "Nah..I downloaded the explicit jawn on my phone this morning."
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159. "I'm listening to the explicit as we speak"
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I don't even see the edited version. weird

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160. "The first 8 tracks (including intro)"
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are just flawless on every level


also Royce fucking SNAPPED

Preem blowin' weed, he a master on the chords/
I'm a student of the rap and spewin' passion on the chorus/
While the smoke is in the air it feel like voodoos on the floor/
Cuz we got the actual ashes of Guru on the boards/
He sittin' right inside a urn in the session/
Lookin' down from heaven at Gangstarr's current progression/
Earnin' successes his legacy get treated like folk themes/
Movin' forward then let his children eat off the proceeds....

maaaaaaan listen

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163. "Royce is the best."
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137. "Stayed up last night for the drop, then played all the way to work"
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Will sit with it over the weekend and give my full thoughts on it next week. Posthumus releases are always tricky, and this one is no exception. When the vocals were recorded is a question that sticks in the back of my mind on a number of tracks, for better and worse. But hearing Guru over Premier beats is worth any less than stellar track, and when it all comes together (as it does on a number of tracks for different reasons) it's enough to bring a fan to tears.

Still the sure shot, and it's like that.

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

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Game: Like Gladys Knight.
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Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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140. "feels like the mid-90's all over again..."
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head nodding bangers for dayz ....




werd.

  

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142. "fantastic"
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wow, preemo really delivered on this. every track is a banger. the one with tip might be my least fav, he didnt sound right. preemo is wrong for teasing us with bring it back here. probably my favorite track and its under a minute lol get together is also another of my favorites and its the one track i was meh on based on the track list. the beat is probably my favorite type of gang starr beat. i need to get up on nitty scott.

going in for a second listen.

  

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165. "so this is actually a re-used verse"
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>preemo is wrong for teasing us with bring it back here.
>probably my favorite track and its under a minute lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFY_dSg85TE
really cant figure out what it's doing on this album, given that everything else is "new" material from Guru

  

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170. "anyone have any info/thoughts on this?"
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he was saying some of the tracks he got were dated before guru would have been working with that scum. i guess he didnt check that when he was looking to buy them. im guessing someone brought up that this verse was already used before when the album came out and hes looking into others as well.

  

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180. "that kinda makes sense"
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but also tells me Preemo ain't never really ever listen to Guru's solo album lolol
it was the opening track!! And this was out BEFORE the gangstarr breakup

  

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i think on the breakfast club he made it a point to say he had a great dj memory lol and i think in most interviews he keeps saying he was always involved in solo guru projects. i guess he could be involved in doing a track or two without really paying much attention to the whole project.

it would be good to hear him address the track directly.

  

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in fairness Preemo produced 1/19 tracks on there
and it came out between MoT and Ownerz, which is when that relationship started to strain (it seems)
so im just playing (kinda) in giving him a hard time about it
I just happened to recognize that verse as soon as i heard it, but there probly aren't too many verses on that record that I could actually say that about

  

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Doesn't add too much more than the NYT article but it's much more of Premo's own words and is still a nice read.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/dj-premier-gang-starr-one-of-the-best-yet-interview-906153/

DJ Premier Has a Lot to Say About Gang Starr’s First New Album in 16 Years
After the 2010 death of rapper Guru and a contentious legal battle, the revered producer is finally ready to revive the Gang Starr name with new album One of the Best Yet

By JASON NEWMAN

Gang Starr's DJ Premier tells us about the long road to releasing the group's new album 'One of the Best Yet' nine years after Guru's death.

The 2010 death of Guru, the rapper who created indelible tracks like “DWYCK” and “Mass Appeal” as half of pioneering 1990s hip-hop group Gang Starr, seemed to both cement and finalize the group’s legacy. The group hadn’t released an album since 2003’s The Ownerz and, in subsequent years, saw a falling out between Guru and his producer, the long-revered DJ Premier, over everything from ego to the rapper’s problems with alcohol.

Still, Guru remained prolific in the years following The Ownerz. “He was always known to record all the time,” DJ Premier tells Rolling Stone. “So that’s what made me start going, ‘Man I know there’s got to be a lot of unreleased stuff that exists.’”

Those unreleased vocals form the bedrock of One of the Best Yet, Gang Starr’s recently released first album in 16 years, which also features appearances from Q-Tip, Talib Kweli, J. Cole, M.O.P., and Royce Da 5’9″, among others. Premier’s ownership of Guru’s vocal tracks comes after a years-long battle with John Mosher, a producer known as DJ Solar who befriended Guru in 2001 and battled with the rapper’s family in court over unreleased material following his death. (In 2014, a judge ruled against Mosher, allowing Guru’s family to control Guru’s estate.)

In 2016, Mosher sold 30 unreleased Guru vocal tracks to Premier for an undisclosed sum, laying the groundwork for One of the Best Yet. The album sounds like a time capsule: a record that could’ve been released immediately after the Ownerz or any subsequent year. It’s a new gift for fans of Premier’s boom-bap production that dominated the sample-heavy, New York-centric strain of hip-hop that peaked in the mid-to-late 1990s.

For the past 18 months, Premier has been crafting beats in his Queens, New York, studio with Guru’s ashes sitting 24 hours a day on the recording console. (“We got the actual ashes of Guru on the boards,” Royce da 5’9″ rhymes on One of the Best Yet track “What’s Real.” “He’s sitting right inside an urn in the session/Lookin’ down from heaven at Gang Starr’s current progression.”)

“They’re all brand new,” he says. “I didn’t have beats sitting outside that I matched to his vocals. I wouldn’t want to do that.” The superproducer spoke to Rolling Stone about his long, circuitous road to finishing the album.

It still sounds odd, in a good way, to hear about a “new” Gang Starr album in 2019.

Oh, man. That was one of the best things I ever heard or say to people because I know the impact that Guru and I had on the world. And I’ve always – just as a fan myself — have wanted another Gang Starr album to exist just because I know our process and what we had as far as the unreleased material.

But it’s also mainly for his son, who he loved a lot. You always hear about the family that left money behind and riches for the children to live off of. And the first thing that crossed my mind once he was gone was, “Damn, man, we got to make sure his son is straight.” And I didn’t care if and I hadn’t spoken in a long time. I feel like we spoke when I went to the hospital. Even though he was in a coma, I know he heard me.

Did you feel a personal responsibility to take care of his family?

Absolutely. It’s the right thing to do. I’ve been doing it for family members and the same thing when it came to Guru. Through this group, I had a very successful life and my career continues to ride. The way died was really fucked up and tragic. I got to witness him in the hospital not awake. I went to court a few times and my attorney proved that all the copyrights were still in existence and our contract was still active. wish that was supposed to be carried out was, “Make sure my son gets all the stuff and that he’s the heir to my legacy.” That should be the first and foremost thing that should’ve happened and no one has done that but me and my team.

You performed a sage-burning ritual every day in the studio with Guru’s ashes. What did that entail and why was that important to you?

I’m a very spiritual guy. I believe in karma; what you do will come back. The majority of my life is spent doing nothing but godly things, especially when it comes to dealing with other people. My intentions were to make sure that the blessings come from not only Guru’s spirit, but just from the godly energy that I put out every day. I just said, “I’m going to take some sage being that it is known to ward off evil energy.”

Once we got the vocals, the first thing I needed to do is bless the room. So I took out his ashes and I did a clockwise circle around the ashes where the smoke billows around it three times. Then I do it counter-clockwise three times. Then I do top to bottom and side to side three times. Then I kiss the bag . Then I let the smoke from some incense billow all around the until it’s engulfed in smoke and I feel that’s Guru taking all the energy in to give back to us. Then I put the bag against the picture that I have on the console and I let the smoke billow in front of his face and my face, but I hold the bag to the frame so that it’s actually touching it.

And then I just say, “Keep that bad shit away from us.” Then I do clockwise around the picture, counter-clockwise around the picture, and then I billow the smoke one more time, kiss it and put it back in the bag. That’s my everyday. It takes five minutes; I do it the same every time.

Without the interplay between you and Guru in the studio, how different was it putting this album together versus past Gang Starr works? Did you try to emulate your process in the past, or did you purposely go about it in a new way?

No, I totally emulated it, like the same way we always did it: 100 percent. I go in with that attitude that he’s in the room and that we’re doing it the way that we’ve always done our formula. The only difference this time is he always wrote to my tracks; this time, I had to write to his vocals. The formula never changed and it always worked for us. So I wanted that same approach to happen with this process.

“The first time I heard … I was getting goosebumps and my hairs were standing up.”

What was your initial reaction to hearing that his unreleased vocals existed?

Once I knew these are vocals that no one out there, including myself, was familiar with, my brain was already like, “Wooooo, man, if I can get my hands on this …” This was a hope, a wish and a dream. taking some of the old songs and reworking them just so we can have something new. And it’s like, no, I’m not doing that because I’m just not with that shit. I wanted it to be where it’s like, “I ain’t never heard these rhymes before.” All the posthumous projects people have put out sound salvaged. I didn’t want it to sound like a salvaged album; I wanted it to sound like a brand-new album. I didn’t want it to sound like I’m just fighting to save these vocals just because there’s nothing else out there that I can work with.

Emotionally, what was it like the first time you heard the vocals?

The first time I heard them, I sat with a lawyer present to make sure they weren’t lyrics that I had heard before. Cause if they were, I already was like, “It’s not what I want.” It had to be a new Gang Starr album. I needed to know that this shit really has hooks and verses before I invest in purchasing all of this stuff. I was getting goosebumps and my hairs were standing up. The first song I did was “Bless the Mic,” and I was so nervous. I kept hesitating like, “Man, I’m not ready to do this shit.” It was almost scary for me, but in a good way. Once I , I was ready to go full throttle.

Can you talk about the first time you spoke to Solar about this project?

Naw, we never did. Everything went through my management and my lawyer. The last time we talked was 2004.

“It took a lot of spirituality to keep me calm and focused on this shit happening.”

You used the heavily loaded word “ransom” in a recent interview to describe paying for the vocals. You only hear that word in kidnappings or hijackings.

100 percent. That’s definitely right. That’s what it felt like just to finally close on getting them. I know how much value it is in giving this to the fans, and I know the fans want me to do it. I came to rescue . We were going to call the album The Rescue, but I was like, “Nah, I don’t need to throw no jabs. Everybody know how real I keep it.” For all the ones that hate me, it’s because they can’t get my love because they’re full of shit.

My main focus was the excitement as a fan even though I’m in the group. Also the fans getting another album that’s produced by me because that’s what they want and that’s what they deserve. And then thirdly is that his son eats off of this because he was nine years old .

DJ Solar claimed the songs were stolen from him. What’s your response to that?

Hilarious . You can’t get away with stuff like that when you’re on the level that I am. My name is too big to even get away with something of that magnitude without being in trouble. Maybe if I was an unknown guy that no one knew and I did all this shit you can’t really find because I’m under the radar. Maybe. But not when you’re DJ Premier. How in the hell can I do that and get away with it? There’s no possible fucking way.

Does it concern you when he says he plans to take legal action unless his name is added to the album’s credits?

No. Do whatever you want. We did everything by the book. All the paperwork’s legit. We’re not thieves. We don’t have a history of doing shit to anyone. So do whatever you want to do. We’re not here to fucking railroad anybody. We’re here to make sure everything is legitimately sealed to make sure that the fans get their part, the family get their part. And at the end of the day, what was fairly done was fairly done.

So it’s fair to say there’ll be no names added to the credits.
Oh, hell yes. You’re correct.

Are you worried that the dispute with Solar will overshadow the music?

Never. The fans have their own conclusions on how they feel and the fans were not happy ever with all the stuff that was going on prior to passing.

Have you thought about how you may present the new material live? Would you ever consider a hologram?

I would never, ever do a hologram. It’s too blasphemous. We have over 700 hours of footage from 1989 all the way up to 2004. Since we have so much live footage, now you have devices where we can strip down the music and just have his vocals present and sync him to playing live with my band or my turntables and it’ll be his own voice and you get to watch him move. We just tested it out a little bit, but we need to perfect it.

How would you sum up the last three years in three words?

Emotional. Exciting. Spiritual. It took a lot of spirituality to keep me calm and focused on this shit happening. I knew how much it was going to take of my soul to make this thing really sound like what is expected of a Gang Starr album.

Does this album bring you any closure?
Yeah, the closure for me is to get an album out after all this bullshit that makes everybody ignore anything in the past of his final days of living physically. I knew it would come. I felt it.

  

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157. "Where Primeo talked about the ritual....Wow"
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167. "Was RS subtweeting Solar by calling Preem a "superproducer" ?"
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Haha.

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148. "One thing I wondered about was..."
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If Primo could make verses that were obviously made on other beats not sound so obvious....and Premier really did.

All the features did a good job probably except Ne-Yo (the song needed a sung hook...but I'm not sure off top who would've fit better on it...Trey maybe?)

Bad Name sounds like an Apollo Brown beat, that's not a bad thing tho.

Nitty killed it tho....she needs more attention for her bars but I figure because she fine and doesn't hide it people don't check for her pen.

Anytime I Tip is on a song and doesn't spit a verse it's disappointing....but considering the song it makes sense.

Curious how much material Primo got for another album? Didn't seem like there was a ton of material from the NYT article, then again perhaps Preem got other material in the tuck besides the Solar stuff.

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152. "RE: One thing I wondered about was..."
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>Curious how much material Primo got for another album? Didn't
>seem like there was a ton of material from the NYT article,
>then again perhaps Preem got other material in the tuck
>besides the Solar stuff.


maybe this is why the record is so short... gotta save enough for the final one??? i'm good with whatever Preem is doing, he never failed us yet.





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154. "Facts."
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> i'm good with whatever Preem is doing,
>he never failed us yet.

I got 4 tracks in earlier tonite and this shit is perfect. Can't wait to start over tomorrow and hear the rest. Very reminiscent of the feelings I had hearing the Tribe album 3 years ago.

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he said not everything was gold but he took the not up to par ones and used them for choruses and stuff

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178. "beyond what he got from Solar"
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id be shocked if he didnt have his own stash of Guru's vocal's as well
anything from the MoT or Ownerz sessions would fit in with the posthumous work i imagine

  

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149. "This What's Real track goes hard. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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158. "But my personal standout is From A Distance. "
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Jeru back on a Premo beat? OMG!

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164. "RE: But my personal standout is From A Distance. "
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I didn’t know Jeru was on this. Nearly lost my mind when I heard his verse! I’m glad that they were able to set aside past differences to make this happen.

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168. "hate to be greedy.. but i want MORE Jeru+Premier"
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150. "One listen through, dope"
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...and this project, to know what Primo went through to make this happen, only elevates Primo's already untouchable, legendary legacy...

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been marathoning the album.... new favorite track the more I listen.

Bless the Mic is such as dope outro track...

and unlike many, I dig the Q-tip track... and did so on first listen.



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Wasn't really excited after first listen. But I can't stop.

  

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169. "So good to hear that boom bap"
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This is a real treat for the fans.

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171. "so cole was the third choice?"
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tried drake first
then kendrick
after they werent available went with cole?

https://www.complex.com/music/2019/11/dj-premier-interview-gang-starr-one-of-the-best-yet
The first song I recorded was "Bless The Mic." The second song was "Bad Name," and that one really grabbed me right away. Then I did "Family and Loyalty." Once I did that, I was like, "This needs a guest. Who do I get?" My manager's bringing up Drake, because I had just done "Sandra's Rose." I reached out to Drake. 40 told me he was getting ready to do the Scorpion tour, so it was going to be really hectic unless I could wait until after the tour was over. I was like, "Nah, I don't want to wait that long." So I thought about Kendrick Lamar. I reached out to them, they said the same thing—he's really starting this new album and in that zone, so doing anything outside that right now might be a little hectic.

Then I texted J. Cole and said, "Hey man, I want to send you something. It's a secret Gang Starr album." I texted him the song, and he hit me back within five minutes and said, "Bro, I got the chills right now." He said, "Oh my God, I've got to be on this. I just need a little time to have some family stuff. I'm about to have another child." He kept his word. After his second son was born, he sent me the vocals over.

  

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172. "guess the liner notes was a shot at those fools"
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"TO ALL THE GUESTS THAT CAME THROUGH
IMMEDIATELY ON THIS ALBUM AS SOON
AS I MADE A CALL :"

can i say that drake and kenny are certifiable idiots to pass up being on this record tho?
i mean, im glad that drake passed - i actually like him a lot, but i wouldn't have wanted him on this album.
Kendrick would have murdered that track tho

  

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drake would have been asked last summer right?

kendrick??? i have a feeling he asked and waited but kendrick just never came back to it for whatever reason. this is a still unreleased kendrick album he was working on right? so maybe hes stuck in that mode or in some rut.

he waited on cole so he wasnt trying to have it immediately but he wasnt going to keep waiting forever.

out of the three i somehow think drake would have fit the track the best in their natural style but i really would not have been excited to see him as a feature. kendrick no doubt would of killed it and i think he would have been able to do a verse that fit the track great.

kind of weird for premier to say this, what i had previously read was he considered drake and kendrick but chose cole. seemed like cole was happy that premier went to him and now premier is like eh you werent our first choice lol

im trying to think what other rappers are on their level (of current relevance) that would have fit the track better.

  

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>im trying to think what other rappers are on their level (of
>current relevance) that would have fit the track better.

rapping about phife, instead of doing that odd hook (which i dont mind. its just...odd)

  

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175. "theres so many rappers that skill wise would have fit the track"
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but that are relevant to todays generation???? i dont know
i would have liked if nas was on it. maybe jay would have fit both elements or still being relevant and being a good fit.

in the complex piece he mentions that qtip just had throat surgery so thats why he only did the hook and his voice sounded like that. ive liked the track more on repeat listens.

  

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176. "Joey Bada$$"
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would have been a nice nod to both the younger generation and still keeping it boom bap
the cole verse is all god tho - it actually grown on me a lot

  

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185. "gross"
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No disrespect to Joey, but fuck that pandering-ass shit.

It would've been cool to hear Drake on it, because he's a good writer and would've had some interesting lyrics, plus he's a genre-transcendent megastar who's rooted in hip hop. But hearing J.Cole on there saying shit like "look at the youth like a precious pebble".... FOH. Proof that the standard of modern lyricists is a major step backwards from the golden age.

Pitchfork's review mentioned that some of the themes/lyrics are outdated. No fucking shit, dude. They were recorded 10+ years ago, and the type of shit people rap about nowadays is entirely different.

I certainly don't generally prefer people rapping about rap, and talking about the rap game in their lyrics...

But Guru's clarity in expressing his point on "So Many Rappers" is timeless rap.

"Bad Name," "So Many Rappers," and "Militia 4" are the clear highlights for me.

  

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188. "huh? How would Drake have been any less pandering?"
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>No disrespect to Joey, but fuck that pandering-ass shit.
>
>It would've been cool to hear Drake on it, because he's a good
>writer and would've had some interesting lyrics, plus he's a
>genre-transcendent megastar who's rooted in hip hop. But
>hearing J.Cole on there saying shit like "look at the youth
>like a precious pebble".... FOH. Proof that the standard of
>modern lyricists is a major step backwards from the golden
>age.
>


I agree Joey would have been pandering. Same for Drake though. And Cole. And even Kendrick, who is by far the best artist out of the four I just typed.

I'd argue that Drake would be *extra* pandering because...well, because its fucking Drake. Dude is more of a pop star than a rapper.

No way a Drake feature would be less pandering than Joey or Cole. At that point, fuck it put Gamino or go all in for the young crowd and put Young Thug on it.

All of it is pandering.

No matter who the artist is, I think its pretty transparent cash grab to put a *current* artist on a posthumous release, when they never even met or are even cut from the same cloth/era in any way.

That's why I was so surprised so many were cool with Cole on it.

As a Pac fan, I've lived through this for shit...going on 20 years now. It bugged me then and it bugs me now. Don't put fucking Drake on a Gangstarr record. Don't put fucking Eminem on a Biggie song. Don't put fucking Trick Daddy or Eminem on a Pac song.

Get people who at least sort of new these guys, or at the very least *may* have worked with them back in the day.

  

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190. "Bear in mind who the last couple of Gang Starr albums had in them..."
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It doesn’t surprise me that they used Cole, nor who the other artists that Preem reached out to before him. Working in the past with Face, Snoop, and Kiss makes these features more plausible. Not just the Gang Starr records, but Guru was already working with popular acts on Jazzmatazz. All in all the project turned out fine and it is not out of place with the rest of the Gang Starr collection.

  

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192. "how in the hell is Joey pandering?"
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i dont know if that word means what y'all think it means lol

pandering would be working with someone that doesn't fit with you at all, just to get access to their fanbase.

so yes, massive stars like kendrick and joey, COULD be seen as pandering features

but joey isn't some massively well known artist, and he's the youthful extension of hte boom bap sound that preemo is a cornerstone of. PLEASE explain to me how in the world a joey feature = some sort of pandering move.

  

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194. "I know exactly what that word means."
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I mean pandering to a younger demographic.

Joey didn't start rapping until around the time Guru passed.

  

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195. ""pandering" requires a large market to appeal to"
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Joey's market is small enough that considering it to be a motivational factor of asking him to feature is laughable
and i dont take the hardline that some of y'all take where guests on posthumous albums should be contemporaries of the artist.

  

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196. ""Pandering" absolutely does not require a "large market""
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You can "pander" to 2 people.

I'm not taking any position in this particular argument but I'd at least like to see it argued in good faith and honestly lol.


>Joey's market is small enough that considering it to be a
>motivational factor of asking him to feature is laughable
>and i dont take the hardline that some of y'all take where
>guests on posthumous albums should be contemporaries of the
>artist.

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197. "by definition, you are correct"
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>You can "pander" to 2 people.

but in the context of this discussion, no one is gonna accuse a musician of "pandering" if they went out of their way to get a feature specifically to appeal to 2 people

  

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198. "Yea fair enough."
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199. "So... to sum up..."
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Drake will undoubtedly go down as one of the most successful rappers of all time, and that is with a lot of sacrifice made with regards to his potential to be considered and listed as one of the best rappity rap rappers of all time.

For Drake to have appeared on this Gang Starr album with a fire jewel-dropping verse that fit alongside one of Guru's... that would've been a huge victory for Drake's resume as a great rappity rap rapper. You know, that real hip hop. lol

Sorta like when everyone was really excited when 2 Chainz killed his verse on De La's last album. A lot of rappity rap ass people just assumed that 2 Chainz couldn't actually rap, just because of what he wants for his birthday or whatever.

  

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193. "Drake is a good writer."
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He's got his reputation as being a pop star, but he could've come on with a fire verse that was something to cement his credibility in the rap world--especially among old-ass Gang Starr fans like me. That's not to say that Drake needs anything, but it would've been a cool flex for people who like to shit on Drake and say he's not a good rapper. He absolutely is.

To have had Joey Badass would've been pandering to quote-unquote younger rap fans, which is irrelevant on a Gang Starr album. He's also relatively obscure compared to J. Cole.

All I'm saying is that It would've been nice for the one heavy-hitting newer name on the album to have been someone who could deliver a great verse. Royce definitely came through.

  

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191. "i have no idea what in the fuck you're even trying to say"
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but alright

  

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201. "uh-oh - issue with the song "What's Real""
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https://www.sohh.com/dj-premier-accused-of-jacking-guru-song-for-new-gang-starr-album-hes-trying-to-make-money-off-a-song-he-knows-was-stolen/

they just took this article down, but some cat named Fong Sai U is accusing preemo of not caring that Solar sold him a song that actually belonged to Fong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uUojRPN-o

i still have the article on my phone - ill swipe it from mobile...

  

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202. "RE: uh-oh - issue with the song "What's Real""
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DJ PREMIER ACCUSED OF JACKING GURU SONG FOR NEW GANG STARR ALBUM: “HE’S TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF A SONG HE KNOWS WAS STOLEN”
Cyrus LanghorneNovember 20, 2019 5:35 pm
EXCLUSIVENEWSNEWS FLASH

Rap pioneer DJ Premier has some explaining to do. East Coast hip-hop artist Fong Sai U has accused the iconic producer of using one of his songs for an unauthorized Gang Starr song off the newly released One of the Best Yet album.

According to the hip-hop veteran, Premo illegally purchased Fong’s “What’s Real” 2015 song from an outside source, kept the title and hook for this year’s Gang Starr project.

“ Solar sold DJ Premier my song with Guru – ‘What’s Real’ – a song that I previously put out in 2015 on my Ballads of a Massacre album and own the rights for. Between 2000 and 2001 me and Guru worked a lot. I produced “OG Talk” on 2001’s Baldhead Slick & da Click album under my other alias Divine. The only other person that was around was Phat Gary, Guru’s road manager at the time. That f*ck boy Solar wasn’t in the picture until 2005 after alerting DJ Premier of the situation. He made a BS offer instead of owning up to his mistake. He let devil Solar pull a fast one on him again. The sad part about all this is Solar is still out here causing confusion.” (SOHH)

Fong Sai also shared deep words to the memory of his late collaborator and said Premo has to ultimately rectify the situation.

“I wish Guru could just rest but what’s right is right and wrong is wrong and DJ Premier is trying to make money off a song he know was stolen and to keep promoting the album like he has no idea he stole a song and changed the beat. That hook is my concept. The majority of what Guru is spitting, mine. This is Guru before he became sober and a lot of times it was hard for him to pen sh*t because of the alcohol but that’s my brother and the only one that gave my production a chance so in my eyes he can do no wrong. But Premier has to make it right. Period. That very was very sentimental to me because that’s a memory that can’t be replaced.” (SOHH)

  

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203. "I call BS on this one"
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204. "Glowing Mics Remix! (feat. Big Shug)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOV5_hZL6A

I didn't even know about the original version, apparently it was a bonus track on the instrumental version of OOTBY that came out a few months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0eMCMuVYmk

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Gang Starr / Nujabes blend - https://youtu.be/lsci1vu6ick
DOOM Tribute - https://youtu.be/qmBQ2BDefKM
Donut of the Heart cover in Javascript - https://youtu.be/afLc2CkC8lk

  

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