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obsidianchrysalis
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"What is / has been the biggest innovation in music culture lately?"


  

          

On the hip-hop side, I guess you could say Future and the 'mumble' rappers have been the most significant change in hip-hop over the last couple of years. Any other new trends bubbling up?

Also, on the music business side, I know shorter albums and more frequent releases have gained popularity. But is there a new innovation in music releases or the business side?

  

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For me it's the quicker releases are the biggest innovation.
Jan 13th 2019
1
RE: For me it's the quicker releases are the biggest innovation.
Jan 13th 2019
2
I think it's great that there are no longer release announcements.
Jan 14th 2019
3
      Anything to make the art more disposable huh?
Jan 19th 2019
5
           what a garbage take
Feb 12th 2019
14
           that's the dumbest reaction you could have had.
Feb 13th 2019
16
I Just Wish Artists Would Clarify What Their Releases "Are"
Jan 19th 2019
4
great point
Jan 21st 2019
7
      Yeah that shit is annoying
Jan 21st 2019
8
Music culture no longer exists n/m
Jan 21st 2019
6
This.
Feb 09th 2019
10
i've heard from a few artists in the past year
Feb 07th 2019
9
RE: What is / has been the biggest innovation in music culture lately?
Feb 09th 2019
11
This Still Escapes Me
Feb 10th 2019
12
      nothing new..remember when cats stole Marleys drum in 80s...
Feb 14th 2019
17
      RE: This Still Escapes Me
Feb 14th 2019
18
Tossing out the need to enunciate lyrics LOL
Feb 11th 2019
13
LMAO. Who ever thought that Nayvadius Wilburn would be the future
Feb 14th 2019
19
The accessibility of tools
Feb 12th 2019
15

phemom
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1. "For me it's the quicker releases are the biggest innovation."
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I'm so glad that we are past the

-First single
.....wait a month
-Second single
....album drop

....of the past. Now it's mostly: Here's a song, my album drops next week....while everyone scrambles to cover (or uncover) it.

I've noticed that a lot of 2019 album preview lineups are lacking, because we don't really know anymore. Besides people living in secrecy for some reason (hi DangerMouse) and those who don't know what they're doing until it done everyone else has some sort of plan that doesn't go into motion until the last second.

I hope what happens next blooms off of what DreamVille is doing with their group record by inviting people publicly to help make the record and letting us peek in. I'd imagine some of us wouldn't like that tho.

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obsidianchrysalis
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2. "RE: For me it's the quicker releases are the biggest innovation."
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>I'm so glad that we are past the
>
>-First single
>.....wait a month
>-Second single
>....album drop
>
>....of the past. Now it's mostly: Here's a song, my album
>drops next week....while everyone scrambles to cover (or
>uncover) it.
>

Right. The current way is 'no filler'. There's so much music coming out week to week that most artists don't have the brand needed to hold their audiences attention for a new album for weeks on end. Plus, even back 'then' we really just wanted to hear the album after we heard the single, if the song was dope.

It took 20 years but the industry finally caught up to the public.

>I've noticed that a lot of 2019 album preview lineups are
>lacking, because we don't really know anymore. Besides people
>living in secrecy for some reason (hi DangerMouse) and those
>who don't know what they're doing until it done everyone else
>has some sort of plan that doesn't go into motion until the
>last second.
>
>I hope what happens next blooms off of what DreamVille is
>doing with their group record by inviting people publicly to
>help make the record and letting us peek in. I'd imagine some
>of us wouldn't like that tho.

I know Esperalda Spaulding did something similar. She livestreamed her recording sessions as she made an album. I never checked out that footage but that was in interesting concept.

The 'crowdsourcing' of songs, like Dreamville seems to be trying seems like it could be a good idea. Although, sometimes art works better when the decisions aren't democratic.

As far as the footage of the Dreamville sessions, I would think it would have to be edited.

Outside of wild smoke / drinking sessions, I can't think the process of creating an album is that exciting to view.

From the footage I've seen, most of the time the musicians are kind of noodling around trying to find something to base a track on. I'd imagine seeing ten hours of that day after day would be boring to most folks.

  

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3. "I think it's great that there are no longer release announcements. "
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I saw another post where Odiseee and Phonte announced they will release an album this year.

The way albums drop now I am more like, don't announce that shit, just drop it when you drop it.


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5. "Anything to make the art more disposable huh?"
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Microwave ass bullshit is basically what y’all want.

  

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14. "what a garbage take"
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whether or not you anticipate an album for a month or two has nothing to do with how "disposable" it is once it's out there

  

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16. "that's the dumbest reaction you could have had."
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what does a shadow drop have anything to do with the 'artistry'

the whole thing is predicated on the balance of art and business. If anything, thats taking out the least artful part of a release.

  

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4. "I Just Wish Artists Would Clarify What Their Releases "Are""
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I use to work in a record store and I hated when artists would do a promotions radio tour and tell people "my new album drops on so & so date" but then to find out it's only a digital only release or an EP (which these days is digital EP) and people go/call the store getting mad at the workers for not knowing about a release that isn't in physical format, or it comes out later on.

Or better yet when an artists claims they have a new album out but it's just a mixtape but not the real album, and people go looking for it, only to find out it's a digital release, or when an tidal artist have their music only on tidal for a few days to weeks before it's on itunes & etc.

Or just when an artists quote the wrong damn date or be hyping up an album title but when it actually drops the title is completely different and people think they are getting duped by stores.

Another trend I hate is now some artists are releasing albums but it has no tracklisting visible on the outside of the product just on the inside booklet (that's if they actually decide to make a booklet available to the customer), this doesn't really bother me personally for things that I buy, I just makes me mad when a customer wants to know what songs are on the cd before buying it even though you tell them it's the newest cd that artist has or they ask for the album by title & don't believe you when you hand it to them but want to make sure that's the one they asked for.


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7. "great point "
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but it probably only affects a same amount of people

For example the Jericho Jackson album with Elzhi. Bought the digital. I couldn't find any info on a physical release. Even asked Elzhi on twitter. Months go by and I see a photo of a cd on instagram. Go to amazon and I see them for sale. I wish I would have known before buying the digital. Maybe I just needed to look harder after it first dropped

  

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8. "Yeah that shit is annoying"
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They’re either rushing to get it out and digital is faster or they are strategically trying to get two purchases out of loyal fans.

  

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6. "Music culture no longer exists n/m"
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10. "This."
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9. "i've heard from a few artists in the past year"
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that instead of working full time on a singular body of work, it's just staying in the lab & making songs until they have one they feel is right, put out a video, & move on to the next one.

small 3-4 track EPs around a theme (single prodcuer, collabing with a single artist) etc

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11. "RE: What is / has been the biggest innovation in music culture lately?"
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Fruity Loops has changed how a lot of people produce...

The visual dot matrix and lack of physical instrument has changed how producers think about beats

Sound packs...

Illmind, frank dukes and others are getting plaques off loops that other producers turn use

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12. "This Still Escapes Me"
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>Sound packs...
>Illmind, frank dukes and others are getting
>plaques off loops that other producers turn use

I've never understood how kats are so lazy that they rather use sound packs & sound kits with instead of sampling, or when it's just another artist making samplable music by playing two & four second key riffs or making little phrases with old synths for people to loop from.

I'm like don't most of these producers have downloaded like 100 free plug-ins of all the Roland & Yamaha keyboard sounds, they can't make their own patches to make music with instead of buying ready to use kits?

Do they really need Kanye West's, Teddy Riley's, Metro Boomin's drum kits when you got all the Roland drums and a gang of records to sample from, damn how lazy are these kats?


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17. "nothing new..remember when cats stole Marleys drum in 80s..."
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...as long as something DOPE comes of it, I don't really mind that much

  

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18. "RE: This Still Escapes Me"
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>I've never understood how kats are so lazy that they rather
>use sound packs & sound kits with instead of sampling, or when
>it's just another artist making samplable music by playing two
>& four second key riffs or making little phrases with old
>synths for people to loop from.

because you don't have to worry about usage rights or buy expensive gear to sample.

>
>I'm like don't most of these producers have downloaded like
>100 free plug-ins of all the Roland & Yamaha keyboard sounds,
>they can't make their own patches to make music with instead
>of buying ready to use kits?

the plugins sound like ass. especially the free ones. and its more time consuming and kinda dumb not to use the tools this time period affords you. They said the same thing when samplers came out.

>Do they really need Kanye West's, Teddy Riley's, Metro
>Boomin's drum kits when you got all the Roland drums and a
>gang of records to sample from, damn how lazy are these kats?

people usually mix those kits with everything else.

  

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13. "Tossing out the need to enunciate lyrics LOL"
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19. "LMAO. Who ever thought that Nayvadius Wilburn would be the future"
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of hip hop?

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15. "The accessibility of tools"
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more people are just making what they wanna listen to.

  

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