And not New Orleans bounce....but the 70-75 BPM, Down South/Midwest influenced sounding production style which usually had triple cadence drums and a double time flow. Most folks credit that sound to Timbaland and the South as a whole, but the Midwest played a huge part.

Seems like the first major songs to have this style came from Bone...Thuggish ruggish Bone, For the love of money, First of tha month. Then, 96 is when it started to become more dominant with "Hay" and "Po pimpin," and "One in a million" on the R&B side. 97, the song that really made everyone adapt to this style had to be "Notorious thugs," seeing that Biggie pulled it off.

By 98, 99, you started seeing a lot of East Coast rappers trying this style. Jay with "Nigga what, nigga who"....Busta with "Gimmie some more"....Nas with "Big things" and "Big girl," both which were big struggles...Ruff Ryders with Drag-On/Juve "Down bottom." Even Snoop did it with "Woof" since he was with No Limit. By the end of 99, you saw the West adapt to it with "Forgot about Dre."

It continued for a while, with Cam'Ron making "What means the world to you," Busta "Break yo neck," and Jay hit it HUGE with "Big pimpin."

What was your opinion about this sound back then? Did you have any idea at all that it would be the dominant sound for this current decade? It's wild to me that most young NY artists show more of a direct lineage to this sound than to the Just Blaze, Swizz, Rockwilda, or Boom Bap sound from back then...but of course, it's because the South has continued to dominate commercially.

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working at Tower Records

watching cable TV (BET, MTV)

so the sound was ok. I thought it was "a-ight."

Jay with "Nigga what, nigga who"

Busta with "Gimmie some more"....

Cam'Ron making "What means the world to you"

Busta "Break yo neck"

Jay hit it HUGE with "Big pimpin."


all those songs sound different...so....how could that "style" really get run into the ground?

Maybe if I was listening to full hip-hop albums then (instead of whatever I caught on the radio, cable TV or at work at Tower) then I would have known if that style was overdone.

If a diverse amount of sounds can be considered the same style then......

>working at Tower Records
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>watching cable TV (BET, MTV)
>
>so the sound was ok. I thought it was "a-ight."
>
>Jay with "Nigga what, nigga who"
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>Busta with "Gimmie some more"....
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>Cam'Ron making "What means the world to you"
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>Busta "Break yo neck"
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>Jay hit it HUGE with "Big pimpin."
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>all those songs sound different...so....how could that "style"
>really get run into the ground?
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>Maybe if I was listening to full hip-hop albums then (instead
>of whatever I caught on the radio, cable TV or at work at
>Tower) then I would have known if that style was overdone.
>
>If a diverse amount of sounds can be considered the same style
>then......

It surely evolved, just like most sounds back then, but it was a brand new thing for rappers, especially from the East Coast, to be rapping at tracks at that Tempo. The production on all of those songs was different overall, especially compared to how a lot of Trap beats nowadays sound similar...but just having them rap on these tracks was pretty groudbreaking at the time. It forced them all to use an entirely different flow, too.

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It was "All or Nuthin," right? Whoo, that was one of the worst songs on a disappointing album.

I personally wasn't really feeling that type of stuff in general. I was living in Chicago at the time, so I heard a lot of via Do or Die, the aforementioned Twista, etc. And I thought it was really lame when East Coast/West Coast acts tried to ape it.

About the only one I kinda liked was "Jigga What?" I found it weird that they called it "(Originator '99)" because they in no way originated that style.

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>About the only one I kinda liked was "Jigga What?" I found it
>weird that they called it "(Originator '99)" because they in
>no way originated that style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M

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and Gimme Some More but that's about it.

It's kind of odd that I didn't because I was big into electronic music at the time and looking back a lot of those beats aren't much different from some of the electronica I liked.

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I went in my music library and looked for comparable music to bounce music of the late '90s, but I didn't find anything that really matched up.

Also, I was in my early 20's at the time. Looking back I can see that I was definitely spoiled by the Golden Age of hip-hop and so anything in hip-hop that didn't reference that time period I turned away from.

I'll list some electronic music that I listened to around that time, but either the tempos wouldn't match or the percussion since most of this music is sample based.

The Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin Beats

https://youtu.be/iTxOKsyZ0Lw

This song has a bouncy bassline but not the rapid fire hi-hats that the hip-hop bounce music had.


Roni Size - Brown Paper Bag

https://youtu.be/cwI0gbGEyuI

This is a drum and bass song that has a bouncy bassline as well and IIRC also hi-hat triplets but the tempo of this song is way faster.


Propellerheads - Bang On!

https://youtu.be/6s6Xj3M8C8I

Calling this an electronic bounce song is probably stretching it but I'll let you make the call.

I think this music influenced my hip-hop tastes away from bounce tracks because my tastes tended to like over-produced songs, kind of like a Public Enemy sound. The bounce songs were minimalistic but not like Kraftwerk or Autechre (https://youtu.be/VQPrMJxis_U) which was in my wheelhouse back then.

Granted Autechre isn't rhythmic in the same way as the music above or hip-hop bounce but it was what sounded interesting to me at the time.

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Fink- We Are Ninja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y522MoT2LOE

Nowadays, Fink is more known for being a acoustic guitar playing singer-songwriter, but his 1st album "Fresh Produce" is a personal classic of mine full of songs like this. This one is the most "bouncey" tho.

Irresistible Force - Nepalese Bliss (Jimpster Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBH_Otc3Us

This is from the same compilation as the Fink song and it has kind of a half time drum n'bass feel that is sooorrrt of bouncey. The original version is great too.

Basement Jaxx- U Can't Stop Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NveOUGodw34

Total Timbaland rip-off but I always thought this song was cool. From their first album Remedy.

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good call on that Basement Jaxx-Timbaland connection.. I always felt that way, too..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR3EL5BmJN4

And "Ev'ry day" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nhiLHNxtk

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around here

that beat is irresistible imo, one of my all time favs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qibj5tBiWUE

Even with the fake futuristic beat and hook.

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loved that shit when it dropped..

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This is years later though... 2004

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From 2002 after like you said everybody had songs like that and a very similar flow..

Mystik Journeymen f/Bicasso "Changeyaflow"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOTXWy4OI9k

https://youtu.be/05QjsfC0Cio

4,5,6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-7pHyCX7Ks

Who Dat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHIqveatztY

(as in, it didn't really end shit but it was hilariously accurate at the time)


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especially that ending.....

BREAK!





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I get why he did the song
but that shit was a steaming pile of caca, absolute trash
like you noted, everyone else pulled it off
I'm thinking it just felt contrived
Biggie and Bone didn't feel contrived at all
neither did Jay
but when Nas did it, it felt like diarrhea to the ears man
Nas Lost

>Nas Lost


GOAT Jambone post lol

IMO...

Timbaland was the biggest influence in the tempo change of this era...

And he'll never admit it but he definitely was flipping DnB mixed with Devante maybe moreso than a southern influence...

Then we cant forget this seminal moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDmGnGueik8

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as an influence, shouts to the uk and all that

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Wish he did but nah

From 98

"The world asked me 'do I know about jungle and bass',"
Timbaland said,
"and I don't know nothing about no jungle and no bass and drums. All I know about is Timbaland drums and its bass. I don't know nothing about no jungle and bass. It never crossed my mind. It was just something that I was doing, I
was playing around with and I just stuck with it for 'The Devil and the Beats,' but that's something that I did like 6 years ago."

.... I mean timbaland str8 jacked crystal castles and was like.. i didnt sample that.. he never gives credit..

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I get slammed for it anytime I say it but Biggie sounded corny to me on that "Notorious Thugs" joint.
Nas's attempts were waaaaay worse that Big's though(extra corny!)

I'm good with Cam's "What Means The World To You".

Busta, Luda, Em, Jay and Crucial Conflict are most impressive to me.

I def. dig the bounce vibe of the double up style more than the "speed rap" type of style but both are really impressive to me.


This joint demonstrates one of the most impressive displays of double time execution. There are multiple cadences weaving in and out of the track(I'm not counting the guest artist. Only referring to the actual members of CC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ogGV5CN5H4


As far as the speed rap, this joint was very impressive.
Not a big fan of the song as a whole but I respect the technique nonetheless.
And Em str8 bodied this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBwVRNOL70


But to answer your question(lol)...
I never though this new generation would have been pretty much birthed from this style. These flows are the only thing that's allowing me to even listen to these new Trap artist for more than a verse or so.

"Pimp Up, Hoes Down" on his new mixtape/EP.

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