9. "Yep. That Phife scratch does it" In response to Reply # 2
They'll be days I run it back 5 times or so before the song goes
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Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
stands in this line. the feel, the mood (even though GURU was drunk when he recorded), perfect set up for how the rest was going to go. I play that album to this day.
6. "ALONGWAYTOGO is the best intro, You Know My Steez is the best song" In response to Reply # 0
ALONGWAYTOGO presents the album a bit better, but "Steez" is so magnificent that it really brings you out on a high. It's also the lead single, so there's that. Steez is great wherever it would have been sequenced.
You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles
7. "^^^Pretty much what I was going to write exactly" In response to Reply # 6
The "I just 'em a pound, tell them my name, and I'm out" intro into "ALONGWAYTOGO" is pretty much the perfect way to start an album, even though "You My Steez" is one of the best songs Gang Starr ever recorded.
8. "here's my issue with Steez...." In response to Reply # 7
...."MOT" dropped in April 98, "Steez" had already been out since November of 97 (mixshows were playing it in October 97) ...So when i finally got the NEW Gang Star LP, do you think i'm going to sit through the same song i've been listening to for the past 6 months???? FUCK no, i'm skipping that shit and going right to this new "Robin Hood Theory" joint
...so yeah, as dope as Steez is, it was SKIPPED for a while ..today it works, but when it dropped?? Nah
11. "Steez is a top 10 gang starr song to me... but it's no appetizer..." In response to Reply # 10
...it's like if Enta the Stage started with "Who got the Props", or Midnight Marauders started with "Award Tour" ..or Livin Proof Starting with "Livin Proof" ...just doesn't work for me
now if you lived under a rock and it was your first time hearing "Steez" well thats a different experience.. but that shit charted decently on billboard months before the LP dropped.. shit was old lol
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18. "the REAL takeaway from this post:" In response to Reply # 12
>Or, if one were to, say, make a "Best of 1997" mixtape (cough, cough)
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13. "Okay, here's the ONE thing that's always kinda bugged me about "Steez":" In response to Reply # 8
It's largely made up of verses/lyrics that Guru used on House of Pain's "Fed Up" remix, which dropped about a year earlier.
Yeah, I get it that no one heard or remembered that third House of Pain album, and "Steez" is >>>>>> "Fed Up" remix as song, but it's always stuck in my craw. I always feel some sort of way when an MC re-uses lyrics from a song that's already been legit released.
19. "If memory serves he also used them on Tony Touch's 50 MC's mixtape" In response to Reply # 13
So I can kinda see why you'd be miffed. Still, the 3 Men And A Lady remix made up for it
<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up... __________________________
Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
23. "It's funny in hindsight how MCs used to kind of "get away" with that." In response to Reply # 13
I recall Common using similar lyrics on songs like "Life Goes On" and "Tekzilla," and shit like that. A lot of MCs did it because it wasn't as easy to access these mixtape type songs so hardly anyone noticed or really cared if they did.
An MC reusing whole verses now would get killed on the internet.
24. "Reused verses is not a good look..." In response to Reply # 13
Unless the verse was recorded a long time ago, and the original didn't come out...
We didn't find out Nas' great opener from Verbal Intercourse was a recycled verse until the last year or so. The song that the verse was on didn't get released. I remember Inspectah Deck using the same verse on the 2 Wu Based songs on the third Funkmaster Flex mixtape on Loud (I think it was America's Cream Team and Lay Your Hammer Down).
But Fed Up was released not too much earlier than "Steez". If I recall correctly, I think there was a video for this remix. Man, that's just not a good look at all. But, the verse is dope, so it bears repeating. His flow on Steez is much better to me anyway.
You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles
25. "I wouldn't go that far" In response to Reply # 24
If it works, then it works-and sometimes it works better. Deck's verse on Triumph is a prime example.
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26. "I understand it, but I don't really like it..." In response to Reply # 25
It's not a problem though. I'd like it more if it was an unreleased record.
You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles
27. "I shine, you shine... (c) Smif & Wesson" In response to Reply # 24
I'm pretty sure those verses were used at least 3 times (Mixtape, their album, and that single they did with MJB)
<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up... __________________________
Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
29. "I've got no problems with re-used verses from unreleased songs" In response to Reply # 24
Because, hey, they're unreleased. And if a rapper did a dope verse and it didn't get used/released, then I've got no issue if it gets re-used for another song.
Feel similar about re-using verses that were first on mixtapes. I know 90% of these dudes don't/didn't freestyle back then, and most weren't going to write verses especially for a mixtape that they were seeing little money from.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
31. "hard to pick but I'll tell y'all this" In response to Reply # 0
I used to fuck to that Hard to Earn intro. I looped up the part at the end where isn't a lot of talking, and filled a tape with it and put in work
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32. "I did the same thing" In response to Reply # 31
I have the track floating around the house somewhere
<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up... __________________________
Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
33. "I think I just found the tape, but I'm scared to play it" In response to Reply # 32
on any tape player in the house. Probably just leave as is and make another one for the phone. I have the record and don't need to go the pause tape route again.
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35. "I'm sure I have it on tape, but I don't have my tape player hooked up" In response to Reply # 33
I may have the digital files somewhere, but between transferring/redoing everything from Amiga to PC I can't remember if I have it in a folder on my server or on a CD.
Now I miss my old Commodore Amiga/AD1012 soundcard setup
<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up... __________________________
Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
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