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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"Poll question: What's the best opening track on a Gang Starr LP?"


  

          

Also, how would you rank them?

6. Premier & The Guru
5. Put Up or Shut Up
4. Step in the Arena
3. You Know My Steez
2. The Place Where We Dwell
1. ALONGWAYTOGO

Poll result (30 votes)
Premier & The Guru (1 votes)Vote
Step in the Arena (3 votes)Vote
The Place Where We Dwell (4 votes)Vote
ALONGWAYTOGO (8 votes)Vote
You Know My Steez (13 votes)Vote
Put Up or Shut Up (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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I like or love them all but "You Know My Steez" is all timer.
May 21st 2017
1
ALONGWAYTOGO
May 21st 2017
2
^^^^^^
May 22nd 2017
5
Yep. That Phife scratch does it
May 22nd 2017
9
^
May 22nd 2017
17
^^^^^^
May 30th 2017
34
You Know My Steez
May 21st 2017
3
YKMS
May 22nd 2017
4
ALONGWAYTOGO is the best intro, You Know My Steez is the best song
May 22nd 2017
6
^^^Pretty much what I was going to write exactly
May 22nd 2017
7
      here's my issue with Steez....
May 22nd 2017
8
           Does that really change the actual quality of the song though?
May 22nd 2017
10
           Steez is a top 10 gang starr song to me... but it's no appetizer...
May 22nd 2017
11
                Steez works as a lead-off song on a "Best of Gang Starr" mixtape
May 22nd 2017
12
                     the REAL takeaway from this post:
May 22nd 2017
18
           Okay, here's the ONE thing that's always kinda bugged me about "Steez":
May 22nd 2017
13
           If memory serves he also used them on Tony Touch's 50 MC's mixtape
May 22nd 2017
19
           It's funny in hindsight how MCs used to kind of "get away" with that.
May 23rd 2017
23
           Reused verses is not a good look...
May 23rd 2017
24
                I wouldn't go that far
May 23rd 2017
25
                I understand it, but I don't really like it...
May 23rd 2017
26
                I shine, you shine... (c) Smif & Wesson
May 24th 2017
27
                I've got no problems with re-used verses from unreleased songs
May 24th 2017
29
           That's not keeping it real...
May 22nd 2017
14
           thats a good point
May 22nd 2017
20
I vote "place where we dwell"
May 22nd 2017
15
^^
May 23rd 2017
22
Doesn't "Full Clip" merit a mention?
May 22nd 2017
16
Step in the Arena
May 22nd 2017
21
the rant at the beginning of alongwaytogo= outside fat beats scene
May 24th 2017
28
nasty ass grays papaya sauerkraut ass breath
May 24th 2017
30
hard to pick but I'll tell y'all this
May 24th 2017
31
I did the same thing
May 25th 2017
32
      I think I just found the tape, but I'm scared to play it
May 27th 2017
33
           I'm sure I have it on tape, but I don't have my tape player hooked up
May 31st 2017
35

Brew
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1. "I like or love them all but "You Know My Steez" is all timer."
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Soon as that opening interview comes on I'm like ohhhh shit here we go.

That beat is absolutely ludicrous.

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2. "ALONGWAYTOGO "
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now here's a funky introduction....... na na na, now here's a fun fun funky, fu fu funky......


werd.

  

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5. "^^^^^^"
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9. "Yep. That Phife scratch does it"
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They'll be days I run it back 5 times or so before the song goes

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17. "^"
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>now here's a funky introduction....... na na na, now here's a
>fun fun funky, fu fu funky......
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>werd.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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34. "^^^^^^"
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stands in this line. the feel, the mood (even though GURU was drunk when he recorded), perfect set up for how the rest was going to go. I play that album to this day.

  

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3. "You Know My Steez"
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And while it's not the second best...Put Up Or Shut Up is dope

  

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4. "YKMS"
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...back on the scene to put a lesson out, even if I have to pull a black Smith and Wesson out (c)Keith

  

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6. "ALONGWAYTOGO is the best intro, You Know My Steez is the best song"
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ALONGWAYTOGO presents the album a bit better, but "Steez" is so magnificent that it really brings you out on a high. It's also the lead single, so there's that. Steez is great wherever it would have been sequenced.

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7. "^^^Pretty much what I was going to write exactly"
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The "I just 'em a pound, tell them my name, and I'm out" intro into "ALONGWAYTOGO" is pretty much the perfect way to start an album, even though "You My Steez" is one of the best songs Gang Starr ever recorded.

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8. "here's my issue with Steez...."
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...."MOT" dropped in April 98, "Steez" had already been out since November of 97 (mixshows were playing it in October 97) ...So when i finally got the NEW Gang Star LP, do you think i'm going to sit through the same song i've been listening to for the past 6 months???? FUCK no, i'm skipping that shit and going right to this new "Robin Hood Theory" joint


...so yeah, as dope as Steez is, it was SKIPPED for a while ..today it works, but when it dropped?? Nah



  

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10. "Does that really change the actual quality of the song though?"
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11. "Steez is a top 10 gang starr song to me... but it's no appetizer..."
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...it's like if Enta the Stage started with "Who got the Props", or Midnight Marauders started with "Award Tour" ..or Livin Proof Starting with "Livin Proof" ...just doesn't work for me

now if you lived under a rock and it was your first time hearing "Steez" well thats a different experience.. but that shit charted decently on billboard months before the LP dropped.. shit was old lol







  

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12. "Steez works as a lead-off song on a "Best of Gang Starr" mixtape"
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In fact, I've used both "Steez" and "ALONGWAYTOGO" as lead-off songs on "Best of Gang Starr..." mixtapes that I've made over the years.

Or, if one were to, say, make a "Best of 1997" mixtape (cough, cough), "Steez" would be a great choice for a lead-off song.

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18. "the REAL takeaway from this post:"
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>Or, if one were to, say, make a "Best of 1997" mixtape (cough, cough)

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13. "Okay, here's the ONE thing that's always kinda bugged me about "Steez":"
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It's largely made up of verses/lyrics that Guru used on House of Pain's "Fed Up" remix, which dropped about a year earlier.

Yeah, I get it that no one heard or remembered that third House of Pain album, and "Steez" is >>>>>> "Fed Up" remix as song, but it's always stuck in my craw. I always feel some sort of way when an MC re-uses lyrics from a song that's already been legit released.

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19. "If memory serves he also used them on Tony Touch's 50 MC's mixtape"
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So I can kinda see why you'd be miffed. Still, the 3 Men And A Lady remix made up for it

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23. "It's funny in hindsight how MCs used to kind of "get away" with that."
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I recall Common using similar lyrics on songs like "Life Goes On" and "Tekzilla," and shit like that. A lot of MCs did it because it wasn't as easy to access these mixtape type songs so hardly anyone noticed or really cared if they did.

An MC reusing whole verses now would get killed on the internet.

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24. "Reused verses is not a good look..."
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Unless the verse was recorded a long time ago, and the original didn't come out...

We didn't find out Nas' great opener from Verbal Intercourse was a recycled verse until the last year or so. The song that the verse was on didn't get released. I remember Inspectah Deck using the same verse on the 2 Wu Based songs on the third Funkmaster Flex mixtape on Loud (I think it was America's Cream Team and Lay Your Hammer Down).

But Fed Up was released not too much earlier than "Steez". If I recall correctly, I think there was a video for this remix. Man, that's just not a good look at all. But, the verse is dope, so it bears repeating. His flow on Steez is much better to me anyway.

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25. "I wouldn't go that far"
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If it works, then it works-and sometimes it works better. Deck's verse on Triumph is a prime example.

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26. "I understand it, but I don't really like it..."
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It's not a problem though. I'd like it more if it was an unreleased record.

You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles


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27. "I shine, you shine... (c) Smif & Wesson"
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I'm pretty sure those verses were used at least 3 times (Mixtape, their album, and that single they did with MJB)

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
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Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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29. "I've got no problems with re-used verses from unreleased songs"
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Because, hey, they're unreleased. And if a rapper did a dope verse and it didn't get used/released, then I've got no issue if it gets re-used for another song.

Feel similar about re-using verses that were first on mixtapes. I know 90% of these dudes don't/didn't freestyle back then, and most weren't going to write verses especially for a mixtape that they were seeing little money from.

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14. "That's not keeping it real..."
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20. "thats a good point"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "I vote "place where we dwell""
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22. "^^"
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"Once again ladies and gentleman"

  

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16. "Doesn't "Full Clip" merit a mention?"
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That's arguably their biggest hit.

  

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21. "Step in the Arena"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "the rant at the beginning of alongwaytogo= outside fat beats scene"
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suckas be comin up to me on some bullshit
talking about they wanna freestyle and shit
breath stickin like a muthafucka...

Whenever I went to Fat Beats it was that rant come to life

  

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30. "nasty ass grays papaya sauerkraut ass breath"
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31. "hard to pick but I'll tell y'all this"
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I used to fuck to that Hard to Earn intro. I looped up the part at the end where isn't a lot of talking, and filled a tape with it and put in work

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32. "I did the same thing"
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I have the track floating around the house somewhere

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Jay: Aretha Franklin.
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33. "I think I just found the tape, but I'm scared to play it"
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on any tape player in the house. Probably just leave as is and make another one for the phone. I have the record and don't need to go the pause tape route again.

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35. "I'm sure I have it on tape, but I don't have my tape player hooked up"
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I may have the digital files somewhere, but between transferring/redoing everything from Amiga to PC I can't remember if I have it in a folder on my server or on a CD.

Now I miss my old Commodore Amiga/AD1012 soundcard setup

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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