Punk ass hating motherfuckers had me fooled. Eyes wide open now. Fuck. Them.

fuck you.

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A damn shame they made it at all. Ugly ass song. More hurtful that it came from one of my favorite groups. Guess they were hanging around Brand Nubian too much around that time. Sounds like something that would have been on One for All.

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

that song could have fucked up not only a classic album, but their reputation forever.

...still love Tribe, but they are of course capable of making mistakes and being influenced by the wrong thing like everyone else....

...glad the label put their foot down, cause this one song would ruin TLEM

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

>...still love Tribe, but they are of course capable of making
>mistakes and being influenced by the wrong thing like everyone
>else....
>
>...glad the label put their foot down, cause this one song
>would ruin TLEM

I mean Phife had the occasional homophobic term or lyric attacking 'softness' in men, but yeah this song is disappointing to hear, even moreso coming from them.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

Now if they stand by the song that a different story .

which shows that he's just a horrible person. Grand Puba, Phife, and definitely Q-Tip could have very well learned and grown up. But this song is also a bi-product of how we raise our boys.

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It's a shame they made it, but nothing from their music or public life since has indicated that this is their concrete feelings. Hip-hop masculinity and homophobia is a tough thing to overcome, but the intelligent ones do.

Shameful song. Glad it was scrapped .

And then Phife doubled down on 'Oh My God' saying he's an anti-batty bwoy.

Fuck Tribe. They were one of my favorites b4 I learned this about them. I still am torn about them really.

fuck you.

The Beastie's clearly were young punks who grew up and became better men (Ad Rock even apologized in Time Out magazine in 1999), but Licensed to Ill was originally going to be titled "Don't Be a Faggot." Columbia refused to release it with that title.

Chuck on "Letter to the Post" was pretty homophobic "Ask James Cagney / He beat up on a guy when he found he was a fagney / Cagney is a favorite / He is my boy / He don't jive around / He's a real McCoy," and BDK rapped "the Big Daddy law is anti-faggot / That means no homosexuality."

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>The Beastie's clearly were young punks who grew up and became
>better men (Ad Rock even apologized in Time Out magazine in
>1999), but Licensed to Ill was originally going to be titled
>"Don't Be a Faggot." Columbia refused to release it with that
>title.
>
>Chuck on "Letter to the Post" was pretty homophobic "Ask James
>Cagney / He beat up on a guy when he found he was a fagney /
>Cagney is a favorite / He is my boy / He don't jive around /
>He's a real McCoy," and BDK rapped "the Big Daddy law is
>anti-faggot / That means no homosexuality."
>

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Chuck's semi homophobic lines were on "Meet the G That Killed Me."

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"The anti-batty bwoy, big up is who I be."

Interesting that some speculate that Brand Nubian may have influenced them. I suspect it might have been a case of both groups sharing similar views on sexuality.

I was never down with phife after I heard it. I kept this out of his RIP posts but I kinda spit on his grave.

fuck you.

yes, that what was what a 22 year old Caribbean would have said there

but it was scratched out for the sake of political correctness

this was a moot point in 1993, it's even more so in 2016

https://youtu.be/rJS4cfdVGa8

way to make your point

and if there's speculation towards their views on the subject, I don't see it as a problem being presented or discussed, whether it has three hundred, or three million views.

see also:

http://genius.com/67280


1 for the treble, 2 for the bass
You know the style Tip, it's time to flip this
I like my beats hard like two day old shit
Steady eating booty MCs like cheese grits
My man Al B. Sure, he's in effect mode
Used to have a crush on Dawn from En Vogue
It's not like honey dip would wanna get with me
But just in case I own more condoms than T.L.C
Now the formula is this: me, Tip, and Ali
For those who can't count it goes 1-2-3
The anti batty boy, big up is who I be

{Batty boy is a derogatory term for gay men used in the Caribbean (Phife has Trinidadian heritage).

Although censored in most versions of the song, the slur is left intact in some remixes. In the video Q-Tip makes a point of miming the words “batty boy” straight to camera.}

Brothers find this hard to do but never me
Some brothers try to diss but Malik, you see 'em bitching
Me no care about them dibby MC, my shit is hitting
Trini gladiator, anti-hesitater
Shaheed push the fader from here to Grenada
Mr Energetic, who me sound pathetic?
When's the last time you heard a funky diabetic?
(I don't know man, I don't know man, I don't know man)
(I don't know, I don't know)

fuck you.

being that it's scratched out, that resolves the issue of offending people

but continue playing dumb

never heard this remix.
this beat is amazing.
all three versions of this song are great.

yeah hip hop is more than kinda homophobic. nothing new. don't listen if you don't want to listen. i wouldn't. people still love tribe and always will. too too classic. some gays will even probably not care by and large because they will say, "oh, yeah I know. But the breaks are too funky, and we can marry now. ever notice how busta buss is less wild-sounding now and he raps really fast more often? i miss how he was just nutso like when he would growl like a dragon or tell people they had flavor in their ass crease." know what I mean? and then that guy's gay native tongues-head friend would be like, "yeah man but buss is just in a new space now. from Big Bang Theory to his verse on 90059, he just is feeling different sometimes. Plus he was doing all that 'RAWR RAWR' stuff on that eminem collab a couple years back still." and then the first gay dude is like "yeah I like that verse Em had except for when he said, 'You ain't the real slim shady. sit your ass down, faggot.'" and the whole thing comes full circle and the two hypothetical gay rap fans go eat somewhere before parting and saying "see you in the morning" because they work together. then one guy says, "if anyone in the world is a fag it's Kevin" they guy they work with who is always doing something mean to one or both of these no longer hungry gay IT guys.

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and found this post

this reads like a prototype AI program creating a reply

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

which is a bit much...but are we just going to pretend to forget what 90s hip-hop was like? Shit, what the 90s were like. By no means does it make it right, but a lot more shit used to fly back in the 90s.

Common was still dropping questionable lyrics in 2000.

My question is, where is the line for you? Is this primarily because they made an entire track back in 1991 or do you feel the same way about MCs that drop similar lines in tracks?

Edit...track would've really hurt the album btw...shit ain't cool by any means.

But what if Eminem had dropped the N-Word in a rhyme? Some black people might let it slide, but the vast majority would take issue with that and at the very least think less of him.

Even though racism was more overt and direct in last century, it's still difficult to read books where white authors decided to use the word 'nigger' even if its used as satire or to critique the characters using the word.

It's true that our society is now less tolerant of homophobia and that 90s hip-hop was really hardcore and in some cases hateful, but it doesn't mean that they ought to get passes because of the times the musicians created their art.

My own tastes tend to side towards artists who are inclusive, but I'm learning that even some of my favorite acts have traits to their music, that as a middle-aged man, I can't clap for anymore.

I know I've made comments or had attitudes back in the 90's which are unacceptable now. Thankfully none of those are recorded or on the Internet, but it's okay if someone pointed out when I was wrong. It would only be fair of them to say something.

I try to accept that the music musicians make is amazing and allow for people, like Common and Tribe, to grow from their mistakes but also critique them for having intolerant attitudes.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

I was simply asking the question "where is the line" out of curiosity.

By no means am I defending the song.

I always thought this was an interesting topic and have started to make a post about artists and albums we loved back in the day that wouldn't get a pass today. And not only do we champion these artists and albums, we still listen to them today.

Common would definitely be one of those MCs.

The other aspect that is interesting is because of my age, it was NEVER ok for a white person in my mind to use the N word even if singing along with a song and at the same time because of my age, we grew up using homophobic slurs because it wasn't viewed like it is today.

Again, not saying that it makes it right, but I find the desensitization intriguing.

I guess the line is the same one for porn, 'I can't tell you what porn is, but I know porn when I see it.'

The word 'punk' was a word that wasn't offensive to me growing up, neither was 'sissy', but f_g and d_ke never sat well with me.

Granted most of the hip-hop I listened to when I was younger was tame . My parents had a rule against my brother and I listening to explicit music in the house.

But the first time, I had an intense reaction to homophobic lyrics was listening to Like Water for Chocolate. I was in my early 20's, out of college and living in San Francisco, so my awareness of the impact those words had was more developed at that age.

But I still listened to the album on a regular basis even though I objected to the lyrics, so my discomfort couldn't have been too powerful.

My awareness is heightened, but I still listen to music that I think is dope which unfortunately uses hateful lyrics. There's always been that experience in hip-hop where you know the lyrical content is self-destructive but the song is so well made that it's almost impossible to do anything but nod your head.

Weeding out music that doesn't use homophobic imagery would be symbolic but it could lead to making a decided interest to learn more about LGBT issues.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

There's this:
http://www.mtv.com/news/1480512/the-source-digs-up-tape-of-eminem-using-racial-slurs/

and to a lesser degree, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnMiTrpYkgQ

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I should have done some more research into my statement, but based on the lyrics, Em's comments are dumb and aren't something he should have ever made, even if it was on a demo sometime ago.

<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

and he referred to black women as black bitches

Dave mays and benzino outed him with a tape they included with the source magazine

it had no effect

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

rappers even came to his defense.
he's good.

When 90’s hiphop as a whole has consistently thrown black people (especially women) under the train without secret or culture colloquialism but in plain english and with a continued no fucks given.

Anyway I take solace in an almost 60yr old Too Short only child being a beautiful 5yr old daughter. I hope he lives a long life and is blessed to share time with his granddaughters too.

Or a "can't be mad at white ppl saying nigga if we mistreat each other" argument?

Idk. Might wanna rethink that one.

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It’s more of a ‘all it takes is for us to let one piece of shit hit the fan…’.
In both cases it happens, we never aired Em’ out nor do I recall hearing an apology. It was glossed over with light spurts of outrage(if you can even call it that). Even mentioning black rappers that beat him in free styles was overlooked. Even his fail on BET awards cypher was a chuckle then back to norm. We continue to support him.

Same goes for the disrespect of Black women by black rappers. When black women did “fuss” about it, it fell on deaf ears with rappers just pushing and fabricating stereotypes. To the point of going beyond name calling and pimp talk and to rapping about raping and killing black women with black males and females singing along.
Even today the most anti-Sexyy Red woman advocate will hit the dance floor or rap along to TooShorts’ ‘blow the whistle’.

Neither should be excused but we’ve already excused them. Although there hasn’t been a influx of white rappers throwing the n-word around, we did however get Drake sometimey ass as a semi-replacement. As for the some black male rappers, they’ve continued berating black women but there are black female rappers carrying the torch too.

>My own tastes tend to side towards artists who are inclusive,
>but I'm learning that even some of my favorite acts have
>traits to their music, that as a middle-aged man, I can't clap
>for anymore.

... I think there's a big difference between not clapping for old songs/lyrics from artists where the language / subject matter is defensive and deplorable, and straight up denouncing the group entirely based on one song they made when they were what, like 19 ?

And I don't want to downplay how atrocious that song is, it's awful. I just don't think one song from 1991 (unreleased, at that) is worthy should result in eternal damnation for one of the greatest rap groups of all time.

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fuck you.

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has he dropped questionable lyrics regarding homosexuality since then? kind of seemed like he overcame it at that point.

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>has he dropped questionable lyrics regarding homosexuality
>since then?

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that verse was my response to people who might wonder if Common is still homophobic in anyway, and it was recorded after 2000.

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with a friend, front row at a show. Circa 2000 or so - I think it was that "in the circle of f****ts your name is mentioned" lyric. And he came up to us after the show and literally thanked us and said he'd been thinking a lot about it and was trying to make some changes. Very sincerely. I was actually kind of touched by that. Means a lot to man up like that and fix it when you were wrong.

But I hear you, SoWhat. It's easy for me to let it slide as a straight guy.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn
A public radio show about things that are awesome.
http://www.maximumfun.org
"This is the kind of show people listen to in a more perfect world." - McSweeney's

That's a fucking awesome story. Good for you guys and good for Comm.

>with a friend, front row at a show. Circa 2000 or so - I
>think it was that "in the circle of f****ts your name is
>mentioned" lyric. And he came up to us after the show and
>literally thanked us and said he'd been thinking a lot about
>it and was trying to make some changes. Very sincerely. I was
>actually kind of touched by that. Means a lot to man up like
>that and fix it when you were wrong.

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cringe.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

Common - I don't fuck with him.
Cube - nope.
Raekwon - nope.

The list goes on. I delete the offending songs from my collection bc I'm not trying to hear that hateful shit. Would you listen to Klan records? Would you excuse it via historical context of they were talking anti shit about YOU??? I get the bullshit excuses when they're talking about those ppl over there. But they're talking about you. Then again, women hear rappers call them bitches and take that shit. I don't fuck with too much of that either though. Which is why I don't listen to too much HH generally, really. Fuck all of that hateful ass shit.

fuck you.

Is it a matter of hateful shit or ignorant shit?

For example, do you view an ignorant white kid that uses the N word around his friends (white and black) the same way as you view a white kid that actually use the N word towards black people the same?

And there is something to be said for allowing people to grow up and forgiving a mistake they made and just so happened to record when they were 19.

I feel you're intelligent enough to understand how this works. Maybe all you need is to hear Tribe denounce that song and admit to the ignorance and hatefulness. If that happened, would you then be able to enjoy the rest of their catalogue?

I'm pretty sure somewhere in your past you have said and done some hateful shit. Should we all hold you to it now?

And please don't take this as defending the song...just adding another view point because I feel not putting something in context can be harmful.

>Is it a matter of hateful shit or ignorant shit?

huh?

LOL

it's hateful. and ignorant.

the real question is whether one is willing to issue a pass. if one is willing to excuse the hateful bullshit b/c the group was 'young' and 'ignorant' then go on w/that. i'm not willing to largely b/c Phife came back w/more of that bullshit on the NEXT album after the label had already given the smackdown w/this GP thing. so clearly the homophobia was real important to him and since the group allowed it was important to them too. and all of these years later no apology or anything. no evidence of 'growth' - they just stopped talking about it. i don't know that they changed at all.

fuck you.

I clearly pointed out the difference of ignorance and hatefulness while stating this particular song was both. I'm beyond this song and I was asking clarifying questions on the grand scheme of the topic but you clearly too into this specific situation to discuss objectively.

You actually said "they stopped talking about" and then said "how have they changed"?

It's pretty clear they don't still hold those views or else they would still be talking about it and even if they do still hold those views, they now know it's offensive and don't need to talk about it.

good for you though.

oh..and i didn't read your whole post up there b/c i don't fuck w/you as a general principle. so i didn't want to read your hot air bullshit. so sorry if my reply didn't address the meat of your ridiculousness.

fuck you.

Way to come off like a reasonable person.

>Would
>you listen to Klan records? Would you excuse it via historical
>context of they were talking anti shit about YOU???

tribe has a history of violence/killing homosexuals?

blacks in america have a history of violence against or killing homosexuals??

people always trying to compare their situation to blacks...when the shit aint even in the same stratosphere

smfh

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

so at least we know he learned from his mental mistake

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fuck you.

from Electric Circus


He spoke with his eyes, tear-filled
A lump in his throat, his fear built
My whole life it was in steel
This ain't the way that men feel
A feeling, he said he wish he could kill
A feeling, not even time could heal
This is how real life's supposed to be?
For it to happen to someone close to me?
So far we'd come, for him to tell me
As he did, insecurity held me
I felt like he failed me
To the spirit, yelled help me
I'd known him for like what seemed forever
About going pro we dreamed together
Never knew it would turn out like this
For so long he tried to fight this
Now there was no way for him to ignore it
His parents found out and hated him for it
How could I judge him? Had to accept him if I truly loved him
No longer he said had he hated himself
Through sexuality he liberated himself between me and you

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A couple small corrections that help it read/flow better:



He spoke with his eyes, tear-filled
A lump in his throat, his fear built
My whole life it was instilled
This ain't the way that men feel
A feeling, he said he wish he could kill
A feeling, not even time could heal
This is how real life's supposed to be?
For it to happen to someone close to me?
So far we'd come, for him to tell me
As he did, insecurity held me
I felt like he failed me
'Til his spirit yelled "help me"
I'd known him for like what seemed forever
About going pro we dreamed together
Never knew it would turn out like this
For so long he tried to fight this
Now there was no way for him to ignore it
His parents found out and hated him for it
How could I judge him? Had to accept him if I truly loved him
No longer he said had he hated himself
Through sexuality he liberated himself between me and you



>He spoke with his eyes, tear-filled
>A lump in his throat, his fear built
>My whole life it was in steel
>This ain't the way that men feel
>A feeling, he said he wish he could kill
>A feeling, not even time could heal
>This is how real life's supposed to be?
>For it to happen to someone close to me?
>So far we'd come, for him to tell me
>As he did, insecurity held me
>I felt like he failed me
>To the spirit, yelled help me
>I'd known him for like what seemed forever
>About going pro we dreamed together
>Never knew it would turn out like this
>For so long he tried to fight this
>Now there was no way for him to ignore it
>His parents found out and hated him for it
>How could I judge him? Had to accept him if I truly loved him
>No longer he said had he hated himself
>Through sexuality he liberated himself between me and you

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I'm sorry if your favorite group is a bunch of hateful ass coward motherfuckers. Feel free to stay down with them. You too might be a hateful coward. It's fine though. We're not friends. Just internet strangers.

fuck you.