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Mike Jackson
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"when did you lose faith in kanye west?"


          

kanye was great.
who doesn't love the blueprint?

his debut album was interesting and fun even if his skills as an emcee were...eh.

then he teamed up with john brion
and he brought fully fleshed out arrangements to the table.
some moments on LR were as soulful as
moments on my favorite soul records.

graduation doesn't cohere as an album to me, but it's tough to argue with the individual songs for the most part.

then 808s happened, which many
reasonable ppl love...

i don't, but whatever.



then there were the GOOD Friday tracks that lead up to MBDTF.
he had enough material for a double but opted to make it a single.

the stuff that missed the cut were
clearly left off because it didn't fit the sound of the album... not because it wasn't grade A Stuff.



Kanye, up to this point,
was an artist i trusted.
i always felt like he was putting forward his best effort.


but then he took a shit on my stereo
by putting his name on a compilation album where he produced no songs,
and didn't even stand around the booth for quality control.

i feel like he didn't even listen to the album before he released it. Just said, fuck it... They'll buy it...
who cares?


and that made me feel like kanye, as i knew him, was gone.

He was a celebrity now.
Not an artist, really.


Then came yeezus, which i still like
but it's not the same.


The thrill is gone.

I don't think he feels comfortable experimenting anymore.


That's sad.

But he had a good run.





When did you hop off the kanye train?
Do you think he is capable of another great album?

  

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but yeezus is great. and experimental. so...
Nov 06th 2015
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7th solo bout to be the best one yet.
Nov 06th 2015
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I dunno that I ever "lost faith" in him, but....
Nov 06th 2015
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yeah i find his personality so annoying
Nov 06th 2015
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yeezus
Nov 06th 2015
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When he started using a ton of collaborators
Nov 06th 2015
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He's had a ton of collaborators from jump.
Nov 06th 2015
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      RE: He's had a ton of collaborators from jump.
Nov 06th 2015
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Never lost faith, loved Yeezus, and have no doubt next solo....
Nov 06th 2015
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hip hop mindset at its fullest
Nov 06th 2015
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I haven't liked anything by him really
Nov 06th 2015
11
i WANT to like his stuff.
Nov 06th 2015
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I haven't. I liked Yeezus. still do.
Nov 06th 2015
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"All Day" gave me a lil hope...
Nov 06th 2015
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RE: when did you lose faith in kanye west? = T Pain
Nov 06th 2015
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haven't yet. but 90% of the "so help me god" leaks were trash
Nov 06th 2015
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RE: haven't yet. but 90% of the "so help me god" leaks were trash
Nov 06th 2015
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      they both need each other
Nov 06th 2015
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RE: when did you lose faith in kanye west?
Nov 06th 2015
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Welcome to the lesson
Nov 06th 2015
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never had it to start with
Nov 06th 2015
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The day I bought College Dropout
Nov 06th 2015
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RE: It had to exist in order to lose it.
Nov 06th 2015
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Pretty much the moment he picked up a mic
Nov 06th 2015
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808s and Heartbreak
Nov 06th 2015
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totally agreed on MBDTF & Yeezus
Nov 07th 2015
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MBDTF got bonus points from critics for swinging for the fences
Nov 07th 2015
27
Right here...
Nov 07th 2015
28
In 2021 when he failed to keep campaign promises...
Nov 07th 2015
29
haven't lost faith, even when his stuff is subpar
Nov 07th 2015
30
Graduation was the last album of his that I've listened to
Nov 07th 2015
31

dula dibiasi
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1. "but yeezus is great. and experimental. so..."
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>Then came yeezus, which i still like
>but it's not the same.
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>The thrill is gone.
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>I don't think he feels comfortable experimenting anymore.
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>That's sad.
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>But he had a good run.
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>When did you hop off the kanye train?
>Do you think he is capable of another great album?
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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "7th solo bout to be the best one yet."
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he been in the lab for a minute working on that new sound.

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Brew
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3. "I dunno that I ever "lost faith" in him, but...."
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Fri Nov-06-15 08:45 AM by Brew

          

I stopped enjoying his music (mostly) after 808s. He's a miserable person and it shows in his music. Before Donda died he had soul in his music, there was some element of happiness.

I understood the purpose and direction of 808s at the time even if I didn't enjoy it. The loss of his mom, the end of his engagement....I understood all that. Album didn't do it for me, but I appreciated the direction.

I liked and still like some songs/moments on MBDPF, but as a whole I find it to be pretentious and harsh. Outside of a couple tracks, it's just not enjoyable.

Yeezus is trash. I've listened to it a total of 3x and I just can't do it. His whole persona pisses me off and that's all I hear when I listen to his music. The whole "not smiling" thing is like....what? Bro you're damn near 40. Stop acting like a child.

All that said, I say I dunno if I ever "lost faith" per se in him because I think the ability is still there and the fact that he consistently looks to update his sound is a strategy I am always behind even if I don't like the end result. So I'll always check for his stuff.

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10. "yeah i find his personality so annoying"
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that I don't really listen to his music anymore.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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4. "yeezus"
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It just didn't do it for me. maybe 2 songs.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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5. "When he started using a ton of collaborators"
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It shouldn't take that many people to create one song. If music isn't his main passion anymore just leave it alone and focus on fashion.

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6. "He's had a ton of collaborators from jump."
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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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7. "RE: He's had a ton of collaborators from jump."
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Nothing like now. He started out with just a core group of collaborators. Now, a single track will have upwards of 15 song writers.

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8. "Never lost faith, loved Yeezus, and have no doubt next solo...."
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...will be pretty great.

I do prefer the Kanye of College Dropout through Graduation, but I've found all of his albums enjoyable.

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9. "hip hop mindset at its fullest"
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Yeezus was not my cup of tea
but the man is still that man
His work on Pusha's album and direction on Seans latest album keep me believing

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11. "I haven't liked anything by him really"
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Since MTAB

I don't know if I have completely lost faith....but I'm definitely close

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12. "i WANT to like his stuff."
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Fri Nov-06-15 12:38 PM by SoWhat

  

          

but...

anyway, i gave up w/808s & Heartbreak.

i'll check for his singles but i already know his albums aren't for me.

fuck you.

  

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Dr Claw
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13. "I haven't. I liked Yeezus. still do."
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I think my expectations of what kind of artist Kanye is going to be has changed, though

I'm just hoping he doesn't "Jay-Z" in the coming years

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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14. ""All Day" gave me a lil hope..."
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a lil hope that he'll be able to make dope music in this era that reflects this era.
He wants to stay "relevant", but some of his attempts there for a while were
sounding pretty terrible to my ears.

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15. "RE: when did you lose faith in kanye west? = T Pain"
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16. "haven't yet. but 90% of the "so help me god" leaks were trash"
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for the next record he needs to lock himself in the studio with mike dean, jeff bhasker, cudi and stay away as much as possible from bums like ty $ sign.

  

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17. "RE: haven't yet. but 90% of the "so help me god" leaks were trash"
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>for the next record he needs to lock himself in the studio
>with mike dean, jeff bhasker, cudi and stay away as much as
>possible from bums like ty $ sign.

Agreed. But then again, Cudi needs to do the same thing. Did you hear the joints he released about a month ago? Horrible

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21. "they both need each other"
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18. "RE: when did you lose faith in kanye west?"
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Not really and answer, but imo duke needs to stop rapping, and just produce...simple as that...

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19. "Welcome to the lesson"
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20. "never had it to start with"
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Not in a derogatory manner, but I've never really been invested in his music that way.

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22. "The day I bought College Dropout"
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Something was off. It just wasn't right. The arrogance from someone on their first album turned me straight off. And the album wasn't nearly as good as the mixtape, which had a bunch of songs that didn't make the record.

I sold it back that same month I think. Never felt the need to listen to it again.

I just don't like dude. Nothing about him or his music is worth my time.

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23. "RE: It had to exist in order to lose it."
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Which never happened.



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24. "Pretty much the moment he picked up a mic"
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We will always have old behind-the-boards strictly producer ye of the roc a fella days tho

His beats have never been as good as during that time period

  

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25. "808s and Heartbreak"
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I never loved MBDTF as much as some. While it is good, it's still kind of an overcookeed mess of an album. And much of Yeezus was even more of a mess.

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26. "totally agreed on MBDTF & Yeezus"
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>I never loved MBDTF as much as some. While it is good, it's
>still kind of an overcookeed mess of an album. And much of
>Yeezus was even more of a mess.

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27. "MBDTF got bonus points from critics for swinging for the fences"
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I don't think it was quite the home run they made it out to be. Like you said, it's a little overdone and overblown. I prefer his first three over it.

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28. "Right here..."
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29. "In 2021 when he failed to keep campaign promises..."
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30. "haven't lost faith, even when his stuff is subpar"
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it's still interesting, or at least more interesting then most of the rest of mainstream rap.

dude

  

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31. "Graduation was the last album of his that I've listened to"
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I've heard the singles he's produced and they're well produced and interesting. He doesn't have any sense of humor to his music, which was the reason his persona and music was so refreshing at the time.

He's the first artist I can think of whose music is so good that it doesn't cancel out the ignorance of the lyrics. My lyrical tastes are pretty conservative, but I dig The Chronic or 99 Problems. Even though Kanye's ignorance isn't on the level as alot of music, his persona turns me off so much I can't tune him out even thought the beats are dope.

  

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