if one of them was white,
would ppl compare them at all?

i am looking for a non-racist reason
to validate this comparison.

I'd compare prince to david bowie,
if i felt the need to compare him to anybody.

Certainly not MJ.
because, for what?

MJ was doing R&B,Pop and Gospel and Prince ate off MJ's plate.

Prince was a Huge MJ fan turkey.

MJ was more versatile than Prince and in truth Prince is limited when Compared to MJ. Prince can Play and do what he does, however MJ you can take what he did and make it work with anything and style

MJ could do James Brown and do Gene Kelly and not miss a beat.


Prince is better in R&B,Pop,Rock vein however MJ got that down pat.

Prince is from the same school of R&B/Pop as MJ,but MJ set a standard.

Prince got a glitter glove and a Beat it jacket with penny loafers in his paisley vault.

Prince be moonwalking with Purple shades on.

MJ paved the way for Prince period.

acting like "baby I'm a star" and that performance in Purple rain didn't have MJ written all over it?

as if "I wanna be your lover" didn't have a MJ vibe to it?

acting as "Sunset driver" didn't predate what Prince was gonna do a few years later.

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why do they get compared so often?

yes, prince sold more records because of "thriller."
so did everybody else in the 80s.


So what?

Why do ppl compare MJ and prince?
Is it because they are both Black?
Is that the only reason?

I would like to know a musical reason that ppl think prince and MJ should be compared to each other.

Do they even have 2 songs that sound like they are in the same genre?

and Prince stans seem to forget that Prince is a accessible artist.

Prince's first two albums sound like a Broke version of MJ, the Brothers Johnson, EWF,Bee GEES, Ray Parker Jr, Switch,etc..

when Prince went to Britian and got that New Age Romance vibe and style along with his music and grooved that gary numan,etc.. he opened his thing up.

however take for instance the time's stuff, it was very ordinary sounding R&B with the occasional Surfing Beach Brother cut.

thing is Prince took things into creating a sound, however he was cut from the same cloth.

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MJ - soul, disco, some rock.


If one was white, they would not be compared.

I know they are both considered "pop", but honestly their music is so weird that it's surprising it was that successful.

Prince and MJ made some weird ass music.

It didn't sound like anything else and they definitely didn't sound like each other.

>and Prince stans seem to forget that Prince is a accessible
>artist.
>
>Prince's first two albums sound like a Broke version of MJ,
>the Brothers Johnson, EWF,Bee GEES, Ray Parker Jr,
>Switch,etc..
>
>when Prince went to Britian and got that New Age Romance vibe
>and style along with his music and grooved that gary
>numan,etc.. he opened his thing up.
>
>however take for instance the time's stuff, it was very
>ordinary sounding R&B with the occasional Surfing Beach
>Brother cut.
>
>thing is Prince took things into creating a sound, however he
>was cut from the same cloth.
>
>

that alone has alot in common because MJ and Prince are more in common than say Terrence Trent D'arby and Lenny Kravitz even though they have some mutual influences and have some Pop/rock aspects of similiarities however their formula and presentation is different

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And I hesitate here cause I listen to MJ more. I suppose that means I like him better. But I can definitely draw more direct lines from his music to pre-existing stuff than I can with Prince. I hesitate because I'm not sure Prince's stuff came from as much a vacuum neither. Could be I'm just less familiar with music from the era he came up in. I didn't like synths when I was a teenager and that's when I did most of my research.

Off the Wall (my personal fave MJ album) sounds a lot like the Brothers Johnson obviously. Say what you will....but the songwriting is really secondary to the arrangement and engineering. And the arrangement and engineering sounded like the Brothers Johnson shit from the year before. EWF, The GAp Band, Kool and the Gang. It's not like 'Off the wall' came from outer space. I will concede that it went in a less 'funk' direction of those influences and incorporated more jazz. One of the ways it went away from funk was to go for faster tempos. For me, OTW is a jazz-disco album. Possibly the best ever to be described that way. Which brings to mind....Donald Byrd. Maybe THAT's the greatest forebearer to OTW. Listen to Places and Spaces. That came out 5 years before OTW and sounds very similar.

>Do they even have 2 songs that sound like they are in the same
>genre?
>

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

>
>>Do they even have 2 songs that sound like they are in the
>same
>>genre?
>>
>


maybe.
But what songs do they have that warrant comparison?

What do they have in common besides being Black?

I Wanna Be Your Lover and Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

but really it's never been about the music. it's about the fact that they each crossed over to Pop around the same time - 1983 to 1985. Prince 'dethroned' MJ in 1984 when Purple Rain and its associated mania 'took over' after Thriller mania calmed. Prince and MJ were among the first Black acts to have videos aired on MTV. the comparison is rooted there - in the promotional campaigns for Purple Rain and Thriller (plus Victory and its tour), IMO. it's not about anything else.

fuck you.

>I Wanna Be Your Lover and Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
>
>but really it's never been about the music. it's about the
>fact that they each crossed over to Pop around the same time -
>1983 to 1985. Prince 'dethroned' MJ in 1984 when Purple Rain
>and its associated mania 'took over' after Thriller mania
>calmed. Prince and MJ were among the first Black acts to have
>videos aired on MTV. the comparison is rooted there - in the
>promotional campaigns for Purple Rain and Thriller (plus
>Victory and its tour), IMO. it's not about anything else.



Dat^^^^about it.....

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as if Off the wall was a fragement of the imagination? as if Prince didn't purposely base Purple rain off the thriller success
and tell Bobby Z that he wanted to be in the same position the following year at the grammys like MJ was?

yeah wanna be startin somethin which was a off the wall outtake was really waiting on Prince?'

yeah Rod Temperton was waiting on Minneapolis on line one for ideas?

yeah James Ingram with PYT was waiting for his ok and MJ was waiting as well? yeah tell yourself that Pal if that helps you sleep better at night

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the musical comparrison is stupid.

"Thriller" was happening regardless.

That album was unlike other albums Quincy produced in that period, for sure. But I have to believe it's the Michael Jackson factor there. I liken it to Kanye's move for Last Registration. Kanye wanted to one-up himself. When I read that about the album, the first thing I thought about was MJ. As said in another thread, I'd give Queen more credit than Prince for influencing the other-than-R&B direction of that album. The songs that Michael produced have a lot in common with what Queen was doing in that era more so than what Prince was doing in that time.

when it comes to Prince in THAT era, I think his song making is as much in a vacuum as it gets. Not saying that there was no outside influence, but by the time he was making 1999, it really felt as if Prince was inside a world of his own making. I can't think of a single song on 1999 that sounds like any other artist.

And that album was considered a particular commercial breakthrough for Prince. But that wasn't realized until a bit after Thriller hit the shelves. Mike couldn't have reacted to hearing 1999 and coming up with Thriller. Thriller doesn't even sound like a "Prince" album. Now, I can mention a few albums that do sound like a reaction to that album and/or songs on it...

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I think Basa is talking about the "Thriller" title track...Not the album....It's well known that Quincy and Rod got the idea for the early intro and keyboard groove for "Thriller" from "1999"....

Other than that, Thriller, the album, had NOTHING to do with P....

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>I think Basa is talking about the "Thriller" title track...Not
>the album....It's well known that Quincy and Rod got the idea
>for the early intro and keyboard groove for "Thriller" from
>"1999"....

where'd you hear this?

'1999' was released as a single in September 1982.

Thriller was released in November 1982.

i know they worked on Thriller until a few weeks before release. but most of that late work was about editing and mixing the album. they'd started recording in April and most of the recording was done in a couple of months. which tells me 'Thriller' was likely written and recorded before '1999' was released. so i need some proof before i believe '1999' influenced any part of 'Thriller'.

fuck you.

The making of Thriller (the influence of 1999).


http://tinyurl.com/m786yz



Brian Banks (synthesizers) "It was late in the evening one night when we were working, and Quincy came to us. We all knew how ‘Thriller’ was going – they were trying to get Vincent Price, they were doing all this stuff – but he wanted this huge chord sequence."

He said, “There's this sound that I've got in my head. There's this underground, this new artist, that nobody's ever really heard of but he's great, he's hot, he's got this great song.” And he pulled out the album and it was Prince, '1999'. And you know the opening sound on that? Duh-da da, dur-duh-duh? Well, that was the sound – that big, bitey chord sound at the opening of '1999' – he wanted that, but bigger, for ‘Thriller’."

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>He said, “There's this sound that I've got in my head.
>There's this underground, this new artist, that nobody's ever
>really heard of but he's great, he's hot, he's got this great
>song.” And he pulled out the album and it was Prince,
>'1999'. And you know the opening sound on that? Duh-da da,
>dur-duh-duh? Well, that was the sound – that big, bitey
>chord sound at the opening of '1999' – he wanted that, but
>bigger, for ‘Thriller’."

the demo of "Starlight", the song that became "Thriller", has that same exact intro (no wolf howling and shit though). it's possible that in the studio, they made the "impact" of that intro "bigger". but it's the same exact chord, same progression.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kimWJ7128

>>He said, “There's this sound that I've got in my head.
>>There's this underground, this new artist, that nobody's
>ever
>>really heard of but he's great, he's hot, he's got this
>great
>>song.” And he pulled out the album and it was Prince,
>>'1999'. And you know the opening sound on that? Duh-da da,
>>dur-duh-duh? Well, that was the sound – that big, bitey
>>chord sound at the opening of '1999' – he wanted that, but
>>bigger, for ‘Thriller’."
>
>the demo of "Starlight", the song that became "Thriller", has
>that same exact intro (no wolf howling and shit though). it's
>possible that in the studio, they made the "impact" of that
>intro "bigger". but it's the same exact chord, same
>progression.

"1999" as a track was out for a minute before the actual demo was knocked out and the Thriller album came out....So it's def. possible....Also, if this was only coming from Q's lips I would def. be giving that story the side-eye...lol...Given how somewhat greasy Q has been with Mike over the last few years...

But it's coming from a session player that helped Rod with the synth arrangement....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

the fact is i just don't have much respect for him as a musician and songwriter.

and if that's sacrilege, it's just par for the course than induldges KC and the sunshine band >>>>>>>>> P

i guess we all just crazy.

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why do you not thing he's a good songwriter?

is billie jean not a well written song to you?

i don't get it.

>the fact is i just don't have much respect for him as a
>musician and songwriter.
>
>and if that's sacrilege, it's just par for the course than
>induldges KC and the sunshine band >>>>>>>>> P
>
>i guess we all just crazy.

than a half a decade superstar when in reality Prince ain't been much in 25 years but some turkey attempting more comebacks than Sugar ray leonard and Rocky Balboa comebined and that turkey still can't land a musical punch to land

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i know you want us to place mj's dancing and beatboxing on a higher plane than a nigga who wrote, produced, arranged and played all his own shit, but it's clear who is the greater musical talent.

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and inspired your Musical hero, you need a crash course on that.

MJ wrote, Produced and had a instrument that was legendary and touched alot of people
and still does.

as if the industry doesn't have alot of acts who have wrote,produuced,arranged, performed,etc..

and bottom line had songs that touched people not dancing and beatboxing but sanging period

and for the record IMO Michael Jackson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prince and it ain't even close

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black song writers always get this treatment where their songwriting is marginalized.

"yeah, it's a cool song.
but it's not good songwriting.
it's just ppl jamming on instruments."

as if that reduces the song.

I don't care if MJ
didn't write his compositions on staff paper.

I don't care if he didn't play instruments on his songs.

I don't care HOW he recorded this songs and communicated them to other musicians.

Fact is, he wrote them.
Key melodies, harmonies, rhythm arrangemts... that was him.

He wrote the damn songs.
He's a song writer.



Smokey didn't play the instruments
for the funk bros.
He wrote the changes and the melodies.

He wrote the damn songs.


MJ was a songwriter.
You have not proven that he's not.

save your appeals to racial allegiance, too.

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it's not a racial appeal, just facts.
Read the liner notes.

He was a song writer.

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
The Girl Is Mine
Billie Jean
Beat It
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Say Say Say (co written)
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Smooth Criminal
Black or White
Will You Be There
They Don't Care About Us

The list goes on...MJ wrote those

http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

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Interesting list below....Shit, to me MJ's best songwriting moment was "Stranger In Moscow"....That song is GENIUS....As for the rest...

>Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Great!!!!!!!!!!!!! song....On the low the best non-disco disco song ever recorded....Shit has so many layers that it's not even funny....

>The Girl Is Mine

Nah...I'm good...

>Billie Jean

Probably his most perfect song....No flaws....At all...

>Beat It

MJ proves he can genre jump....Good shit no matter how many times it's played...

>Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

U gotta dance to this one...If u don't, u have no pulse...

>Say Say Say (co written)

No co-written's allowed....But a cool little song all the same...

>I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Nah...I'm good...

>Bad

Arguably MJ's worst "hit"....Mike could really get extra cheese when he had complete control...

>The Way You Make Me Feel

A good pop song with a KILLER CHORUS....

>Smooth Criminal

A case of a GREAT, game-changing video making a Cheddar Bob level track better than what it really is... (Also see Rod T's "Thriller...")

>Black or White

Was always on the fence on this one....

>Will You Be There

....

>They Don't Care About Us

....


MJ was def. a sneaky fucking songwriter who could hit the long ball when he was really going hard....I find it interesting that he felt like the public didn't take him seriously as a songwriter...This dude was the biggest fucking performer in the universe and he was still worried about not getting that artistic love....CRAZY....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i mean Terrence trent d'arby aka Sanadra did call MJ the Boy Wonder.

and you don't even mention his stuff on destiny, triumph or "Muscles" Night time lover or cetepide" or co writing "we are the world"

he was a good Songwriter who could get further when he was challenged.

He was a Great all around artist. but he was trapped by those larger than life demons of success.

he was his strongest when he didn't over do the writing
and a rod temperton cut and a couple of other things on deck.

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All those songs were hit singles (still shocked The Girl Is Mine did better on the charts than Human Nature)

There's also
Blues Away (a favorite of mine)
Working Day And Night
Stranger In Moscow as you mentioned and others


I've heard people say Rod Temperton wrote Michael's biggest hits but of the 7 songs he wrote for MJ that were released, only 3 were singles

http://themichaeljacksonarchives.tumblr.com/

i don't know what you're talking about.

take a look at this list and point which songs you mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson_singles_discography

fuck you.

and he made them his own and it speaks to his great depth as a talent.

put it like this Prince ain't ever have a cover seeing MJ's "Who's Loving you" but then again how many acts can match

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fuck you.

is throwing his hat in the circle period.

and its cool for the Purple Ice Cream truck to come along
and snatch up on and Bully other MJ fans? naw,MJ Nation stand up.

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be sure you're on it. you don't want to miss curfew at the crazy house.

fuck you.

for injection. turkey you don't wants me to get my clown on ya.

stay over their slurping up some long lost Good QUestion/three O clock Promo discs turkey.

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maybe if you pray to him hard enough he'll rise from the dead. and then take you w/him to Neverland where he's prepared a place for you.

fuck you.

reply aimed at wrong post

.

what's your point??
Lets all forget about the great ones.. Miles, James Brown, Ray Charles, Hendrix and the rest of them because they are corpses now??
That's such a silly argument

you'll be okay.

pray harder. maybe he'll rise from the dead like in the Thriller video. maybe he'll even do a little dance especially for you.

fuck you.

you're argument that we can't show respect to a deceased person is beyonce silly and if you don't see this then..
you're the one who needs a visit at the mental institution

fuck you.

so you divagate once again or you really are crazy...

i have no argument so i'm divagating.

fuck you.

you got served and glazed and ain't got no wheels to go on.

you that turkey standing out in the cold at Paisley Park for a hit.

you and Prince could go on Fantasy Island and still be stuck with a dream. take yourself out of the freezer playa.

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MJ will rise from the dead like you want.

and then doubters can touch the sequins and rhinestones in the palm of his gloved hand to be redeemed.

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fuck you.

3rd eyed and still blind. Prince is a comedy act these days with them cornballs around him. its a trip when one artist has died
and another is among the walking dead with all those coasters he keeps putting out.

next time you go to a purple bar watch out for them coasters as they come a flying. Prince's new album went Glad Bag Homie, its so sad and bad that it ain't even in the 99 cent bin, they got a two for 2 tuesday special special of Hot wings and a Prince album.and even then the Prince album is used as a napkin because the wings got more replay value.

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i bet MJ's kids and his family and his legions of fans prefer him dead. b/c alive he was in danger of tarnishing his own legacy and everyone's wonderful memories of him. now that he's dead he can be sainted.

however, i suspect Sony wishes MJ were still alive and running through his money so as to end up broke and in need of selling his interest in Sony/ATV. but now w/his estate running things and MJ not around to blow through stacks of money like toilet paper after a chili cook-off Sony is further from snatching up his interest in the company. oh well. so MJ won there by killing himself w/his bad habits.

it all worked out in the end.

fuck you.

however from the first time he got a paycheck til now the man always was a ATM Machine for others. dead or alive those record company don't care.

and the man could still perform and knew his music period.

put it like this his music always held up, if only a Live Prince track had such problems?

only haters say tarnished or even think like that, bottom line the man made his history long ago period and his work endured period.

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.

yes.

and now that you've identified that i need help surely you will reach out and help me find resources, right? b/c if you keep picking at me when you know i need help then you're a rank asshole, aren't you? and that's not you, right? so this should be the end of our exchange unless you're willing to help me. b/c otherwise you're a vile person.

fuck you.

1- You were calling Maxx crazy before i stepped in. You took it there..

2- I'm not the one clowning the deceased and people who say great things about the deceased but I'm the asshole here.. sure...

3- You do know that your Prince will die one day too right? When he passes you should stop being a fan according to your dumb logic

You said I need it but aren't offering any. Too bad for me, I guess.

fuck you.

but you're not interested in doing that

thanks, i guess.

fuck you.

1- You were calling Maxx crazy before i stepped in. You took it there..

2- I'm not the one clowning the deceased and people who say great things about the deceased but I'm the asshole here.. sure...

3- You do know that your Prince will die one day too right? When he passes you should stop being a fan according to your dumb logic

sheesh.

you identified a need but offer no solution to address it. it's like you only 'identified' that need to ridicule me as opposed to genuine concern. which makes you kind of an asshole, i guess.

damn.

oh well.

fuck you.

>yes.
>
>and now that you've identified that i need help surely you
>will reach out and help me find resources, right? b/c if you
>keep picking at me when you know i need help then you're a
>rank asshole, aren't you? and that's not you, right? so this
>should be the end of our exchange unless you're willing to
>help me. b/c otherwise you're a vile person.

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>yes.
>
>and now that you've identified that i need help surely you
>will reach out and help me find resources, right? b/c if you
>keep picking at me when you know i need help then you're a
>rank asshole, aren't you? and that's not you, right? so this
>should be the end of our exchange unless you're willing to
>help me. b/c otherwise you're a vile person.



This ^^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

no one but Michael Jackson wrote the following:

"Don't Stop Til You Get Enough"
"Billie Jean"
"Beat It"
"Bad"
"Smooth Criminal"

as listed above, Mike wrote the majority of the songs released as singles from Off The Wall forward and actually charted high.

really, I could have stopped at "Billie Jean"

your argument, that Mike doesn't write ALL of his songs is true, and that's kind of what Joe Corn Mo was getting at. Prince is a one-man-shop (if we go by credits alone). Mike writes a number of his songs, likely most of the ones people think of when you say "Michael Jackson". But because he works with producers not named Michael Jackson, that he comes from a tradition of working with other song writers, there isn't too much of a MUSICAL comparison between the two, yet they are forever compared.

it's because in 1984, Prince came out of relative obscurity to overtake the attention Michael received as a black musician and entertainer in pop culture. that largely lasted for one year. the reasons have little to do with actual music.

still doesn't mean Mike didn't come up with "Billie Jean". the demos of that song pretty much are the same as what Quincy formed into the final product.

I'm willing to wager that if you held up the actual "writing" credentials to a number of famous singers who are credited for writing, you'd find the same sort of inconsistencies in how these songs were put together. Including Prince. But we'll never -really- know unless someone put a camera on them in the "process". Same with Mike.

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MJ's demo sessions are out there. He certainly was involved in most of his hit songs from the ground up. Not to the extent of Prince (through the whole process) but really, who cares.

I'm not disagreeing with you in particular....but MJ was not a dude who came into the studio after all the scratch tracks were laid and then wrote some words over top. He's a musician in every way imaginable. I'm sure that he played guitar, bass, percussion without being a virtuoso on anything except singing. Prince is a virtuoso on his drum machine and more recently, on guitar. You can find thousand of session players who are better than him on every other instrument. Again, who cares.

With Michael....it's the culmination of his conceptual creativity, his singing and his performance. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of pop culture in all forms and he used that to make hybrid artistic statements (not just musical). THEN combined with his singing and dancing? Greatest solo pop artist ever. An MJ who couldn't sing or dance could still make incredible art. Prince is more nuts and bolts than that. More like Stevie Wonder. Less conceptual....but more from the ground up musical.

and Quincy Jones was quoted as saying that back then everybody was taken from Rick James,but Purple Kool aid drinkers will tell you that somehow Prince jacked Rick James without being in the same building or being aware

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

i'm still not sure though.

fuck you.

>i know they worked on Thriller until a few weeks before
>release. but most of that late work was about editing and
>mixing the album. they'd started recording in April and most
>of the recording was done in a couple of months. which tells
>me 'Thriller' was likely written and recorded before '1999'
>was released. so i need some proof before i believe '1999'
>influenced any part of 'Thriller'.

and what Prince song sounds like "Thriller", anyway? that song is nothing but a Rod Temperton song with extra Michael Jackson.

You can pull out a number of songs Rod wrote for Heatwave, or on other Quincy produced albums to which he contributed that sound like that one. hell, Herbie Hancock's LITE ME UP album (which was released '82, has Rod Temperton as contributor) is said to sound like "Thriller". and it does! because Rod Temperton wrote it.

when people say "sounds like Thriller" I suspect they mean "sounds like Rod Temperton".

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>>i know they worked on Thriller until a few weeks before
>>release. but most of that late work was about editing and
>>mixing the album.

U r correct...They were finished for the most part. But they were still working on the "Thriller" title track...Anyway, read the post above u for the details...I'm not saying some silly shit like if it wasn't for "1999" Rod/Q wouldn't have come up with its signature track...Just saying that Q and his crew were paying attention....And LOL at Q calling P (at that time) an underground artist....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

not at all.

MJ and QJ worked on Thriller in 1982. at that point Prince was a cult act who'd had a few hit singles on the R&B and Dance charts. 1999 hadn't been released yet - Prince was working on that at the same time MJ was creating Thriller. MJ was keen on crossing over to Pop - he wanted more than to be an R&B star. and that's 'all' Prince was at that point.

Off the Wall had more to do w/the creation of Thriller. more specifically the fact that OTW didn't cross over as much as MJ wanted and that MJ was denied the big time Grammy awards for the album. also, the album had become the biggest selling R&B album of all time - and that wasn't enough either.

so i don't see how Prince had anything to do w/Thriller.

Bad? different story. but not Thriller.

fuck you.

>MJ was doing R&B,Pop and Gospel and Prince ate off MJ's
>plate.
>
>Prince was a Huge MJ fan turkey.
>
>MJ was more versatile than Prince and in truth Prince is
>limited when Compared to MJ. Prince can Play and do what he
>does, however MJ you can take what he did and make it work
>with anything and style
>
>MJ could do James Brown and do Gene Kelly and not miss a
>beat.
>
>
>Prince is better in R&B,Pop,Rock vein however MJ got that down
>pat.
>
>Prince is from the same school of R&B/Pop as MJ,but MJ set a
>standard.
>
>Prince got a glitter glove and a Beat it jacket with penny
>loafers in his paisley vault.
>
>Prince be moonwalking with Purple shades on.
>
>MJ paved the way for Prince period.
>
>acting like "baby I'm a star" and that performance in Purple
>rain didn't have MJ written all over it?
>
>as if "I wanna be your lover" didn't have a MJ vibe to it?
>
>acting as "Sunset driver" didn't predate what Prince was gonna
>do a few years later.
>
>



^^^^^
What planet are you from????

Prince and MJ are soooo different....

Mike sounds like the brothers Johnson and heatwave on Off the wall..

Prince sounds like... prince on Dirty mind...

there are no songs in either catalog that even have a similar sound...

I wanna be your lover sounds like Funk....

As good as mike was he never ever ever reached that level of Funk...

The only comparison is that they were both young black and driven to make great music...