http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/mark-ronsons-hit-uptown-funk-adds-six-writers/?_r=2

this won't be the last
that pie is getting split even more
theres not an original bar in that song

so all the songs from the time period ronson was lifting from were completely original?

fuck out of here.

INCLUDING 'Oops Upside Your Head'.

'The bigger the headache the bigger the pill' is a direct jack of a line from Parliament's 'Dr. Funkenstein'. the radio station DJ thing Charlie does on the song comes directly from Parliament's 'P. Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)'. the use of nursery rhymes all throughout 'Oops' also comes from Parliament's 'Sir Nose D'voidoffunk (B3M)'.

but...George didn't get a co-writer credit on the Gap Band song. b/c acts didn't SUE EACH OTHER OVER THIS SHIT back then.

fuck you.

and these know nothing fuckboys are cheering this shit on.

it's maddening.

...and for a white boy.

period.

if that song didn't generate so much coin i doubt this goes down. and it may not have gone down if everyone involved w/'Uptown Funk' were Black. ditto w/'Blurred Lines', of course.

fuck you.

>...and for a white boy.
>
>period.
>
>if that song didn't generate so much coin i doubt this goes
>down. and it may not have gone down if everyone involved
>w/'Uptown Funk' were Black. ditto w/'Blurred Lines', of
>course.
>
>
>

But Tom Petty started this ridiculousness , it's not so much racial as its greed

dude

but that was different.

that shit goes way back in time to even before Ronnie Mack sued George Harrison for plagiarizing 'He's So Fine' w/'My Sweet Lord'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He%27s_So_Fine#.22My_Sweet_Lord.22_lawsuit

this thing w/the Gap Band and Ronson isn't a plagiarism claim, i think. it's closer to what the Gaye family claimed about 'Blurred Lines' - inspiration as opposed to direct plagiarism. but i dunno.

fuck you.

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/08/22/11-suspiciously-sound-alike-songs/slide/ray-parker-jr-ghostbusters-theme-1984-vs-huey-lewis-and-the-news-i-want-a-new-drug-1984/


how soon we forget.................

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/11/08/you-didnt-write-that-a-brief-guide-to-alleged-pop-plagiarism/slide/george-harrison-my-sweet-lord/

yes

and my point was that this 'Uptown Funk' vs. 'Oops' thing isn't as much a plagiarism claim as it's a claim that 'Uptown Funk' borrowed production elements and feel and sound from 'Oops' but didn't necessarily borrow copyrighted material - as in the plagiarism claims you've referenced (which i also referenced earlier).

but i haven't seen the claim or potential claim from the Gap Band. but from listening to the 2 songs i don't hear plagiarism but i do hear inspiration.

fuck you.

yes

fuck you.

"straight masterpieces"

Actually I think it's a similarity in word pattern, is the claim
I

dude

if so that's especially troubling here considering the number of P-Funk songs from which 'Oops' was inspired - including word pattern and even actual word content.

but whatevs. i guess the Wilson brothers can live w/being hypocrites - and they'll live that way to and from the bank as they count that 'Uptown Funk' money! but if i were Brother George (Clinton) i'd be waiting for them outside the bank. LOL

fuck you.

>if so that's especially troubling here considering the number
>of P-Funk songs from which 'Oops' was inspired - including
>word pattern and even actual word content.
>
>but whatevs. i guess the Wilson brothers can live w/being
>hypocrites - and they'll live that way to and from the bank as
>they count that 'Uptown Funk' money! but if i were Brother
>George (Clinton) i'd be waiting for them outside the bank.
>LOL

Well he could probably use the money

But yeah this thing will probably get crazy

Anybody with a big hit may need to wait before spending their money

dude

The Lesson is back!!!

Are you implying that folks really are NOT concerned about upholding the values and integrity of creative, and that their are truly not standing up with honor and valor.

This all bores down to pettiness and hypocrisy....

for the sake of "sticking it to the white man"???

i dunno that they'd make the move if Ronson is Black. but today maybe they would. i doubt they'd have done this 15 or 20 years ago - as P-Funk didn't do it to them.

then again, i'm not sure the band made this move at all - it could be the entity which holds their publishing rights acting on their behalf w/o their direct involvement. i dunno.

fuck you.

its almost a necessity for certain bands of that era...

P-Funk had a template...

but it is kind of surprising how hard the Gap Band bit off of P-Funk.... really... Jam to the Mother.......


biting grooves back then at that level was acceptable though... people didn't trip like that ..

now some of these guys are biting classic grooves and passing it off as original..when there is now procedures for people to get compensated.....

there are plenty of people making music of that same vibe that's either original or giving appropriate credit..it's not that hard, and I can't be mad at people seeking legal compensation.

>biting grooves back then at that level was acceptable
>though... people didn't trip like that ..

acts didn't sue each other over this kind of thing back then. i assume they didn't b/c folks understood homage and likely accepted it as an honor. but i'm not sure about that.

>now some of these guys are biting classic grooves and passing
>it off as original..when there is now procedures for people to
>get compensated.....

the procedures have existed since forever and they existed back when 'Oops Upside Your Head' was released. Clinton & company chose not to sue the Wilsons, et al.

until i learn differently i'm going to assume this move was made by the Gap Band's publishers and not the members themselves. or it could've come from Ronson, et al w/o any demand from the Gap Band. either way i'm going to assume this is not the writers of 'Oops' threatening to sue Ronson, et al for making a record that references 'Oops' w/o giving the writers a credit considering 'Oops' references at 3 if not 4 Parliament records and those writers aren't credited on 'Oops'. if this IS the Gap Band then they're incredible hypocrites and i dunno how they live w/themselves.

fuck you.

>INCLUDING 'Oops Upside Your Head'.
>
>'The bigger the headache the bigger the pill' is a direct jack
>of a line from Parliament's 'Dr. Funkenstein'. the radio
>station DJ thing Charlie does on the song comes directly from
>Parliament's 'P. Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)'. the use of
>nursery rhymes all throughout 'Oops' also comes from
>Parliament's 'Sir Nose D'voidoffunk (B3M)'.
>
>but...George didn't get a co-writer credit on the Gap Band
>song. b/c acts didn't SUE EACH OTHER OVER THIS SHIT back
>then.


And people said we were making too much of a big deal off that "Blurred Lines" verdict....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>so all the songs from the time period ronson was lifting from were completely original?

or anything resembling that?
read my words instead of putting words in my mouth

>"derivative as fuuuuuux"
a very large number of folks agree that Uptown funk is incredibly derivative

> this won't be the last
i can pretty much guarantee this via reporters that i work with

> that pie is getting split even more
this as well

> theres not an original bar in that song
you can call this "stupid" if you want, but this is the reason this song will have 2 dozen "writers" by the time its all said and done

i also don't appreciate the hostility.
use your words like a big boy.

it copied little bits of numerous songs and put them all together

or how lacking in perspective you are.

sadly, you are not alone.

this aint 'blurred lines' (which was a joke)
Uptown isn't utilizing a "feel"
its lifting exact bars and lyrics
theres a difference

where's the borrowing from 'Oops'?

fuck you.

and the Oops, upside your head one?


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^ i don't hear any 'exact bars and lyrics'.

yes, i hear that chant pattern.

fuck you.

Maybe these guys can get a song credit too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNcStdF_Ok

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fuck you.

>^ i don't hear any 'exact bars and lyrics'.
>
>yes, i hear that chant pattern.

Oh, ok. For what it's worth, I'm wary of all this shit as well.

http://twitter.com/collazo

where previously that didn't go down?

i think it's largely about the decline in revenue from music sales. like maybe acts didn't sue over this kind of thing back in the wayback b/c acts like P-Funk were making more money from record sales than an act like P-Funk would make today.

but shit...that doesn't hold up b/c record sales have been in the toilet before the current situation. and yet there wasn't this flurry of lawsuits over inspiration like we're seeing now. or maybe there was such a flurry and i'm unaware.

fuck you.

it's a recent development in the industry and i don't like it. i fear it may have a chilling effect on creation.

b/c several songs we dig - like 'I Don't Believe You Want To Get Up and Dance (Oops)' by the Gap Band - are derivative of other songs by uncredited writers. i wonder how many of those songs like the Gap Band's wouldn't have been released if acts were as litigious in the past as they are today.

fuck you.

awwwwwwwwwwwwww.............


oohhhhhhhhhhhh...........

you already demonstrated you're not too bright.

now you're just showing off.

:/

so THIS MUST BE a VICTORY.

fuck you.

while that's likely going on for some ppl who agree w/this move and the 'Blurred Lines' case, that's not true for everyone who agrees w/what's going on. i see that.

fuck you.

who really don't understand how music is made at all.

'cause I was wonderin'...........


but, I sorta kinda

here's John Cleese to tell you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQSGHN8710

uh.......

right.

enough said.

fuck you.

christ.

and people are applauding it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Pharrell's whole sound is inspired from the past.

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I remember when I first heard the song, they were just using so many different phrases over again that came from other people's songs in the 80's, I didn't think they would get sued for it but yeah Charlie Wilson probably don't be letting shit slide.

I also know the horn riff for "Uptown Funk" is from another 80's song too but I just can't place it but knowing music lawyers these days they will figure it out, lol.

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b/c otherwise he and his brothers would be splitting proceeds and credit on 'Oops' w/George, Bootsy, and Bernie (Worrell). b/c 'Oops' lifts words and inspiration from at least 3 Parliament songs.

fuck you.

WHAT HE SAID BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...........uh.......like.............maybe............?

because i know music.

I mean c'mon...............

>I also know the horn riff for "Uptown Funk" is from another
>80's song too but I just can't place it but knowing music
>lawyers these days they will figure it out, lol.

http://twitter.com/collazo

What about his using Manu Dibango's 'Soul Makossa'? I think they settled out of court. That claim is stronger than this one imo because it uses the same words.

Oops upside you head is an eight bar rhythm pattern. How on earth can someone own it? There's a million songs with that rhythm. What about 'Hip...hop...the hibby, the hibby'

fuck you.

SoWhat brought up a good point about a solid reason for this and the Blurred Lines lawsuit being the lack of income The Gap Band and the Gaye estate make from legacy sales.

But these suits don't seem to respect the culture of musicmaking. Virtually all music is derivative of another song that came before it or at the very least influenced by the past.

Yes, 'Blurred Lines' sounds alot like 'Got to Give it Up' and 'Uptown Funk' sounds like the Gap Band and Cameo, but this case is even more troubling from a songwriter's perspective. Uptown Funk doesn't borrow directly from one song. It's more of a homage to the late 70's and early 80's funk.

The Gap Band and the Gaye estate may have a valid case, but viewing homage or influence as plagiarism limits the creativity of musicians. It also makes a songwriting credit closer to a patent than a right to fair payment for the work done on the song.

Or maybe these cases are legit, but because the songs that were under suit are R&B, the aspect of the 'sampled artist' doesn't seem justified?

>Yes, 'Blurred Lines' sounds alot like 'Got to Give it Up' and
>'Uptown Funk' sounds like the Gap Band and Cameo, but this
>case is even more troubling from a songwriter's perspective.
>Uptown Funk doesn't borrow directly from one song. It's more
>of a homage to the late 70's and early 80's funk.

b/c their song 'Oops' is an homage to Parliament! it contains obvious references to at least 3 Parliament songs. but Clinton, Collins, and Worrell (the writers of the Parliament songs) are not credited on 'Oops'. so i dunno how the Wilsons can live w/themselves here if they had any part in seeking credit and/or payment for 'Uptown Funk'. it's ridiculous.

but maybe their publisher did this w/o their input.

fuck you.

>but amaybe their publisher did this w/o their input.

If the publisher did file the claim then at least the artists didn't lose face.

I generally agree with you but to play devils advocate, what if before going into the studio Bruno or Ronson were listening to oops upside your head and said hey I like that rhythm , let's see uptown funk you up. Ok I like that.

They must feel like they have some sort if valid claim to give them song writing credit.

dude

out.


>They must feel like they have some sort if valid claim to give
>them song writing credit.

>out.
>
>
>>They must feel like they have some sort if valid claim to
>give
>>them song writing credit.
>

Maybe so but seeing that the song seems to be influenced by a lot of songs during that period, this may not be the lady claim made, if they felt the claim had no basis best to fight it now or open up the floodgates.

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bruno mars' persona aside, it doesn't sound much like a time record musically to me.

For some reason, the first time I heard it I thought of 'Walk the Dinosaur' by Was Not Was. But the Lakeside element is alot more obvious.

some folks still don't get it. Posting up old song lawsuits to prove that these music plagiarism cases have been happening forever is mixing apples and oranges....

These recent suits have been more about "feel" than actually copying a groove, notes, line, ect....

When George Harrison got sued it was well deserved....lol

"Blurred Lines" and "Uptown Funk" though? Now we are getting into murkier waters....VERY murky...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>"Blurred Lines" and "Uptown Funk" though? Now we are getting
>into murkier waters....VERY murky...


It's just murky because you and sowhat and shock keep saying it is.


From the very first people kept connecting Blurred to got to give it up.


The only thing murky was y'all got to worked up over that for some reason.

edit: Read the post and just try to side with shock that all these people in the post who said it was too similar at the time don't know music. Or they can't tell a "feel" from a chord progression or whatever


here you go

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2833140&mesg_id=2833140&listing_type=search

ain't nobody finna re-hash that shit w/you.

fuck you.

I'm not going anywhere

i replied to tell you 'boy, bye. ain't nobody finna re-hash that shit w/you'.

fuck you.

?

exactly.

fuck you.

yes

>>"Blurred Lines" and "Uptown Funk" though? Now we are
>getting
>>into murkier waters....VERY murky...
>
>
>It's just murky because you and sowhat and shock keep saying
>it is.


No...it's murky because Ronson and Mars just broke off some bread over something that wouldn't even have passed the smell test a decade ago because they saw what happened to Mr. New Black....

We are not the only people making this point as much as u want to try to paint us out to be some lunatic fringe....lol

What's hilarious to me is the irony of the entire shit...But on the real, I'm sure it was the Gap Bands' publishers who tapped them on the shoulders and screamed "BLU$RED L$NES!!!!!"....Because I couldn't imagine Charlie and them being that fucking bold....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

I hate the song and find it derivative as all hell but... it definitely seems like this new post blurred lines "sue for the feel" shit could totally hamper any songwriter... even if they never heard the song they're supposedly "inspired by"!

THERES ONLY SO MANY RHYTHMS CHORDS AND MELODIES FOLKS!

if there is a silver lining maybe it'll at least encourage people to come up with actually new ideas... but i doubt it

also its happen before and things always been blatant.

when is the last time you heard of a artist having to pay up
and there was a fan backlash?

not a biggie. if that was the case then Led Zepplin would be lucky to have packed a Olan Mills back lot with all the sharing of credits they had to pay back.

it never wrecks a career only music geeks care about the details,etc..


and the irony is that gap band never got hadly a dime off of the original publishing because there label Boss Lonnie Simmons SUge Knight the publishing and collected for his own self

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