i realize that the remaining people who patronize contemporary musical acts represent the absolute dumbest segments of their demographics...

but with "realness" having somewhat of a semblance of vocalized importance; i'm just curious how rich, Black entertainers can code-switch so freely without anyone really telling them "nah, my g..."

like beyonce going full-on ratchet/trap mode last year.

is it taboo to mention that beyonce has been a multimillionaire since the late 1990's and it's safe to assume that everyone in her sheltered immediate circle (aside from limo drivers/stylists/choreographers/bodyguards) is too?

i mean kanye and jay's degree of "hood" depends entirely on the time of day you catch them.

they even have different voices they speak in.

like... iggy azelea. lol.

anyway, is there ever any blow back and rejection on the basis of these people being so drastically removed from the experience they're trying to express in effort to relate with the "plebeians"?

it's all very funny to me how we pick and choose what to "call out" as inauthentic and what gets a universal pass from the Black community.

i mean i get that the material isn't even written by these pop. stars performing it -- but i mean, all the more reason to reject it as "phony" (feeling like holden caulfield right now...).

anyway, i've just always been mystified by this occurrence...

wonder if anyone on here can defend it.

Blackness is what you are really talking abt, which is not something you can lose when you are, nor can you hide it or not be it.

do you imagine a person like j prince...rich as fuck..CANT go to ANY babrber shop in 5th ward texas?who is gonna g check him? hes legit & will ALWAYS be no matter how much money hes got.

which is literally the same for ANYBODY who is Black. do you imagine Oprah cant go to ANY backwoods country podunk town in Alabama & have ANYONE step to her for a gatdamn thing? youre nuts.

do you think yo gotti CANT go back to memphis & get love? or Nas to Queens?

I havent been in houston my hometown for yrs, i DARE a motherfucker to say shit to me if i walked thru the projects. i belong there. YOU dont. YOU think thats weird. YOU are the problem.

or do you think in the "hood" people are walking around all day just looking for someone else to victimize?

this is less abt music & more abt your ever increasingly shrill idiotic moralizing preaching

you keep getting banned because you add absolutely ZERO to the community or any kind of viable discussion. why dont you just leave if it sucks so bad? why dont you stop listening? why must you spam the boards with your bullshit? GO AWAY ROGER

>Blackness is what you are really talking abt, which is not
>something you can lose when you are, nor can you hide it or
>not be it.

Blackness, youth, authentic day-to-day connection to the people you are mimicking and/or trying to relate to in your output.

>do you imagine a person like j prince...rich as fuck..CANT go
>to ANY babrber shop in 5th ward texas & have someone check
>him?

j. prince is NOT a pop. star.
nothing hollyweird about that dude.

>or do you think in the "hood" people are walking around all
>day just looking for someone else to victimize?
>
>this is less abt music & more abt your ever increasingly
>shrill idiotic moralizing preaching

ok, i don't agree.

>you keep getting banned because you add absolutely ZERO to the
>community or any kind of viable discussion. why dont you just
>leave if it sucks so bad? why dont you stop listening? why
>must you spam the boards with your bullshit? GO AWAY ROGER

sheesh.
well, thanks for replying.

there will be people there who love him...& a small subset who might rob him. same as for you. & me. being rich has nothing to do w/ it, other then making him a bigger target for people who dont care abt him which would be the SAME for everyone.

so to answer your dumb ass question AGAIN, people tolerate millionaires being "hood" because the "hood" is made up of people who know that other people...are just people. that their money doesnt make them invulnerable or special. and that the people w/o money arent special either. so if someone rolls up on MLK Blvd in anyhood, usa in a rolls...people gonna be like oh...theres so & so. & KIM. because who the fuck cares?


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

i'm talking about their artistic output being disingenuous.

like... their songs.

you talking about somebody that came into rap with millions?

or somebody that made a million rapping?

there's a difference in black people code switching or speaking different voices and a white woman.

All black people who interact with mainstream society (ex. a teacher or a bank teller) on any level code switch and speak differently depending on audience. that is dictated by mainstream society if you want to be a part of it.

that's totally different from a white person talking "niggerish" to appear "down".


smfh

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

code-switch is a survival tactic for anyone Black who works in corportate america.

fuck it, any line of work where you have to face to face or deal with White people on the phone.

the best code-switchers usually go the furthest...

here's the thing though:

that's business.

as a famous quote unquote "artist" -- you generally got to the dance on your own terms and could conduct yourself as such and get away with it.

imo, a code-switch - either race:
Black -> White
White -> Black

...is conceptually the same.

you're trying to assimilate to maximize your goals and your results.

my thing is why do THE PEOPLE tolerate and turn a blind eye to pandering, falsified sentiment?

you have rappers living in beverly hills, bidding on auctions at sotherby's on monday...
then up on hot 97 in a pyrex 23 tee on tuesday...
not to mention 35+ pretending they're still 20-something.

...and the audience doesn't bat an eye.

imo, NONE of this shit would have flyed in the 1990's back when people had some sensibility and discriminating taste.

people got their whole careers deaded for less than 1/2 of the shit these musical acts get away with now.

you need a history lesson

simply put white folks don't have a history of being held out of shit or oppressed.

no black person would code switch if they had their choice

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

it's just less necessary for anybody White to ever be in a circumstance like that.

but we've seen it.

and they made themselves rich doing it.

kind of a double standard to call them out for it imo...

but this isn't the main point of the thread.

>it's just less necessary for anybody White to ever be in a
>circumstance like that.


your subject line and the above quote is classic cognitive dissonance

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

i just think it's an interesting double standard that's taboo to mention.

i get what you're saying -- believe me.

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>you need a history lesson
>
>simply put white folks don't have a history of being held out
>of shit or oppressed.

exactly! code-switch stems from folks just trying to survive. If a black man or woman wanted to get a foot in the door at a company that they are more than qualified for, in order to put food on the table, or in order to get a decent education this was necessary and still is in many cases. it stems from people being afraid of black people/ethnic minorities. this goes back for generations.

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thats been the bigger epidemic to me..

fuckers frontin like they pullin down millions, but the cars, jewels, homes, chicks are all rented

i dont mind someone still tryna be down

i do mind tryna front like you made it when you clearly havent

nm

well, to be fair too, theres aspirational, then theres straight up lying on your dick.

you got a whole generation of muhfuckers who grew up thinking that status meant being able to make it rain in a strip club, or buy a bar out and commandeer the VIP section

i enjoyed the lightweight slick shit (about 40 grand, cocksucker, beat it)

but i would much rather have a listener aspire to be rich so that they can come back and help their boys/the community (still be down), than get rich and blow it all trying to show everyone how rich he is

i'm personally less offended by the whole "i write my rhymes while i cool in my mansion" ish than having your rhymes written about hugging the block for you while you actually do cool in a mansion.

cuz i have no problem with Ra and his *mansion* either.

i mean, he spit that but he really wasnt trying to perpetuate the myth

i always knew that Eds dog aint have no solid gold bone

im just an oldhead, i guess.

these younger rappers really believing their own lies

it's especially bad with social media and the absence of alternate streams of Black culture.

these kids are really committing 100% to this bullshit and letting it govern their decision-making.
and i mean kids been doing that with rap.
but the pathetic part is the music isn't even half as captivating as it used to be.

alot of those turkeys are renting things and that is the budget from the record companys.

folks who are real stay real and not everbody does the fake hollywood.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

>alot of those turkeys are renting things and that is the
>budget from the record companys.


true! a lot of cats (most probably) out there aren't really swimming in cash.

if you came from Marcy but learned how to hang at the MoMA, why can't you express both sides of yourself? Especially if you still have fun artistically revisiting the feelings you had when you were younger?


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