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"All Time Disappointing Collaborations..."
Wed Feb-04-15 03:32 AM by spidey

  

          

…by great artists. When you heard artist A and B were doing/had something together, you were hyped, only to be disappointed with the outcome, list them. One off the top, Q Tip and Andre 3000 "That's Sexy". Should of been can't miss, and we got this….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCghUUC1ltQ

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Nas is coming
Feb 04th 2015
1
RE: Nas is coming
Feb 04th 2015
23
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Feb 04th 2015
36
      LOL
Feb 05th 2015
57
Am I the only person who loves this song?
Feb 04th 2015
34
Nope.
Feb 05th 2015
52
Lyrically it's slick
Feb 05th 2015
62
no you not.
Feb 05th 2015
71
This jount hurt me to the soul
Feb 05th 2015
58
      They did?
Feb 05th 2015
60
      yup.. Phone Tap was surprisingly great..
Feb 05th 2015
65
Black Republicans
Feb 04th 2015
2
RE: Black Republicans
Feb 04th 2015
4
I don't understand the disdain for this song
Feb 04th 2015
6
i get the hate...it was an impossible task for them
Feb 04th 2015
16
I agree 100% with everything you just said.
Feb 04th 2015
38
Yeah...the beat and the whole "can you feel the magic baby" bullshit
Feb 04th 2015
43
RE: i get the hate...it was an impossible task for them
Feb 05th 2015
78
Whoa, 10 months late, but this was exactly it
Dec 21st 2015
112
I think the beat was the main problem. the beat for 'Success' was way be...
Feb 04th 2015
20
totally agree
Feb 11th 2015
96
made the huge mistake of not calling primo for the easy assist...
Feb 04th 2015
37
remix with Sean Price was dope
Feb 05th 2015
61
lmfao I think it's safe to assume it wasn't a legit remix
Feb 06th 2015
81
i thought they both murdered it
Feb 11th 2015
93
when people say they don't like this song I assume theyre expectations w...
Feb 11th 2015
95
RE: Black Republicans
Dec 20th 2015
110
Yeah I Didn't Like It Ether
Dec 21st 2015
115
      RE: Yeah I Didn't Like It Ether
Dec 23rd 2015
119
Times when (prod. by Dr. Dre) is some gross overhype.
Feb 04th 2015
3
That KRS-One & Buckshot album
Feb 04th 2015
5
It was just so dull. And a lot of it was KRS's fault
Feb 04th 2015
7
production was assjuice on a lot of tracks
Feb 04th 2015
21
RE: That KRS-One & Buckshot album
Feb 04th 2015
25
And even before that, the KRS One & Marley Marl album
Feb 05th 2015
70
A Few Good Joints But Overall Boring
Dec 21st 2015
116
Ras Kass and OC - Action Guaranteed
Feb 04th 2015
8
Good call...I was sad about that joint lol
Feb 04th 2015
13
RE: Ras Kass and OC - Action Guaranteed
Feb 04th 2015
24
I'll never get over this one. To add insult to injury, I've never ever ...
Feb 05th 2015
68
MJ & Stevie.
Feb 04th 2015
9
I agree.
Feb 04th 2015
22
Aretha Franklin & James Brown.
Feb 04th 2015
10
I never heard this. It made my soul wince (c)
Feb 04th 2015
11
      hmmm. i hadn't heard the remix.
Feb 04th 2015
18
Doom and Ghost
Feb 04th 2015
12
^
Feb 05th 2015
69
The Questions
Feb 04th 2015
14
that was boring as fuck
Feb 04th 2015
30
RE: The Questions
Feb 04th 2015
31
that joint is flames. n/m
Feb 04th 2015
35
Came in to post this.
Feb 04th 2015
40
Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter...
Feb 04th 2015
15
Prince and Madonna: Love Song
Feb 04th 2015
17
yes.
Feb 04th 2015
19
that shit was and is great.
Feb 11th 2015
104
quik and dre 'put it on me'
Feb 04th 2015
26
Yeah
Feb 04th 2015
27
RE: Yeah
Feb 04th 2015
28
I was set up for hov over that triangle Quik sound
Feb 04th 2015
29
Hov spit great on that song
Feb 04th 2015
32
RE: quik and dre 'put it on me'
Feb 04th 2015
50
Yep to both!!! So tough for me being a huge Quik fan, and especially
Feb 05th 2015
53
this might turn into an endless thread
Feb 04th 2015
33
30 Something..
Feb 04th 2015
47
      Lost One was pretty dope *shrugs*
Feb 04th 2015
49
De La Soul & Madlib....
Feb 04th 2015
39
RE: De La Soul & Madlib....
Feb 04th 2015
48
LOL hey man I like that song
Feb 05th 2015
63
didn't know that was a Madlib beat. had that as my ringtone for a few
Feb 05th 2015
64
Agreed, Shopping Bags Was Corny
Feb 09th 2015
89
that beat is god awful
Feb 11th 2015
94
MJ and Mick jagger
Feb 04th 2015
41
Man, I do love this song though. The demo with F. Mercury was better.
Feb 09th 2015
86
In retrospect...
Feb 04th 2015
42
RE: In retrospect...
Feb 04th 2015
46
Fu Schnicks were great artists???
Feb 05th 2015
66
      It has aged horribly.
Feb 05th 2015
73
Barry Bonds is awful. Mediocre beat, awful AWFUL Wayne verse
Feb 04th 2015
44
Yeah, Wayne sucked. But I actually liked Kanye's verse on that
Feb 04th 2015
45
Swagger Like Us
Feb 04th 2015
51
See, I hated it when it dropped. I knew it was all hype
Feb 05th 2015
54
TRUTH
Feb 05th 2015
74
tip killed it
Dec 25th 2015
123
'justify my thug' was fucking awful.
Feb 05th 2015
55
yup...quik threw the winning lottery ticket in the trash with that one
Feb 05th 2015
56
I'm sure Jay chose that beat. Quik had other sh*t Jay could have chose
Feb 05th 2015
59
      lol... 9th had TWO BETTER versions on his remix album
Feb 06th 2015
82
           The Luther version will FOREVER win
Feb 11th 2015
107
I know he offered Jay "California" that he kept for Trauma
Dec 21st 2015
114
Prince & Miles Davis
Feb 05th 2015
67
that even real?
Feb 11th 2015
97
      from alan leeds
Feb 11th 2015
101
           thanks, imp.
Feb 11th 2015
105
Buckshot X 9th wonder
Feb 05th 2015
72
RE: Buckshot X 9th wonder
Feb 05th 2015
76
this is nice
Feb 05th 2015
77
the 12" the put out for the LP was dope tho
Feb 06th 2015
79
RE: All Time Disappointing Collaborations...
Feb 05th 2015
75
Talib Kweli "Joy"
Feb 06th 2015
80
RE: All Time Disappointing Collaborations...
Feb 09th 2015
83
Jaylib, what happened?
Feb 09th 2015
84
A few problems with it
Feb 09th 2015
85
      yeah but dat bootleg
Feb 10th 2015
91
Kanye & Chris Martin - Homecoming
Feb 09th 2015
87
Bite your tongue
Feb 10th 2015
92
      no kidding, wtf?
Feb 11th 2015
98
"Guerilla Monsoon Rap"
Feb 09th 2015
88
RE: "Guerilla Monsoon Rap"
Feb 09th 2015
90
Good choice. I expected that song to be so much iller.
Feb 11th 2015
99
Camron ft. Jadakiss - Let's Talk About It
Feb 11th 2015
100
Getaway Car - Aesop Rock, Breezly Brewin & Cage
Feb 11th 2015
102
What! That shit is tough
Feb 11th 2015
103
      RE: What! That shit is tough
Feb 11th 2015
106
Big Pun and Canibus - Fantastic 4 (DJ Clue)
Dec 19th 2015
108
Rob Halford/Bruce Dickinson
Dec 20th 2015
109
No Hov/Kellz on the list yet?
Dec 21st 2015
111
Not disappointing
Dec 21st 2015
113
wait...no one mentioned Lucy Pearl?
Dec 23rd 2015
117
RE: wait...no one mentioned Lucy Pearl?
Dec 23rd 2015
118
What's funny to me is that in L.A., "You" is a MAAAAJOR classic
Dec 24th 2015
120
Musiq and Bilal
Dec 24th 2015
121
Goodie Mob and TLC
Dec 25th 2015
122
Beyonce & Shakira, but that video was visually stunning
Dec 26th 2015
124

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1. "Nas is coming"
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23. "RE: Nas is coming"
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...yes, the wackest joint on there....

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36. "AHHHHHHHHHH!!!"
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57. "LOL"
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"...talking this East coast/West coast bullshit..."

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34. "Am I the only person who loves this song?"
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I don't just like it, I love it:

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52. "Nope."
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Lyrically, it's as good as other songs. Some have said that they don't like the beat or the intro, but it's ok at worst for me. He rides that beat something serious.

  

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62. "Lyrically it's slick"
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The beat is TOO much. The first time I listened I didn't even hear what Nas was saying. Way overproduced. I love the intro though.

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71. "no you not."
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I was like '???' the fuck...


it IS overproduced.

they sound like they tryna seduce each other during the intro

but Nas tore that 4hit up...fuggouttahere. LOL

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58. "This jount hurt me to the soul"
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kinda made up for it on The Firm imho, though

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60. "They did?"
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Sure...Phone Tap and Executive Decisions were dope but overall the project only further ruined their record lol

  

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65. "yup.. Phone Tap was surprisingly great.. "
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2. "Black Republicans"
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4. "RE: Black Republicans"
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That shit was meh as a muhfugga. The joint on American Gangster was dope though.

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6. "I don't understand the disdain for this song"
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I think bought of them came with great verses and the beat was appropriately epic.

I think Jay/Nas are 3/3

- Republicans
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16. "i get the hate...it was an impossible task for them"
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>I think bought of them came with great verses

They both came with dope verses and both played to their strengths.

and the beat
>was appropriately epic.
>

I think this was the problem. The beat, while I liked it, tried too much to match the moment. Yes it was a big moment in hip-hop for these two rivals to come together but the beat was just too literal. They needed to just do some straight up dope shit period. A commercial joint wouldn't have worked either. They should've gotten the dopest Primo beat in the vaults and did some classic shit. You win the underground heads and everyone else would've just fallen in line.

>I think Jay/Nas are 3/3
>
>- Republicans
>- Success
>- BBC

Success is the best one but none are great to me

  

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38. "I agree 100% with everything you just said."
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And for the record, I really like Black Republicans. But your point about the beat being "too literal" is so spot on. Great verses tho (Nas better)

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43. "Yeah...the beat and the whole "can you feel the magic baby" bullshit"
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Was just too literal.

And yeah Nas' verse was better. It was vintage Nas.

"Standing on the top of my building..."

Jay did come correct though.

  

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78. "RE: i get the hate...it was an impossible task for them"
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Yeah I could see how it came off a bit contrived.

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112. "Whoa, 10 months late, but this was exactly it"
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It was an "epic" beat but for one, that style of "epic" beats hasn't produced an epic song since the early, early 2000's. It just felt like it was trying too hard to match what it was.

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20. "I think the beat was the main problem. the beat for 'Success' was way be..."
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96. "totally agree"
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37. "made the huge mistake of not calling primo for the easy assist..."
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....instead it was unmemorable snore of a song

  

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61. "remix with Sean Price was dope"
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don't know if it was a legit remix or if someone just threw his verse on there.

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81. "lmfao I think it's safe to assume it wasn't a legit remix"
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>don't know if it was a legit remix or if someone just threw
>his verse on there.


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93. "i thought they both murdered it"
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And I love the beat.

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95. "when people say they don't like this song I assume theyre expectations w..."
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too high... I personally LOVE this song

  

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110. "RE: Black Republicans"
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Yeah, that was just a bleugh track... nothing to it. Boring, which is a shame as I was a massive Jay-Z fan at that point so I expected more.

  

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115. "Yeah I Didn't Like It Ether"
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Not sure but hearing Nas & Jay in the same song is so boring.


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119. "RE: Yeah I Didn't Like It Ether"
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^^^^^^
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3. "Times when (prod. by Dr. Dre) is some gross overhype."
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Even worse is "Mixed by Dr. Dre".

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5. "That KRS-One & Buckshot album"
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had some solid songs but overall, pretty underwhelming

"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"

  

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7. "It was just so dull. And a lot of it was KRS's fault"
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It was like finally there was an independent KRS album where he was working with the type of producers he should be working with, and he phoned it in.

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21. "production was assjuice on a lot of tracks"
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I wonder if they got Khrysis's leftovers for that project

  

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25. "RE: That KRS-One & Buckshot album"
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yeah man, with the right production, and KRS-One at least making some effort, ish could have lived up to expectations...

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70. "And even before that, the KRS One & Marley Marl album"
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Let my love slide in and never slip out

  

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116. "A Few Good Joints But Overall Boring"
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I'm not sure why this collaboration was even thought of cause I would never say to myself that Buckshot & KRS-One should do an album together, but I will say the best collaboration on that album was with Talib, that's who should've made an album together, KRS & Tablib, both conscious emcees with a lot to say.


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8. "Ras Kass and OC - Action Guaranteed"
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Lame, wanna-be radio hit on a compilation of underground shit.

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13. "Good call...I was sad about that joint lol"
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24. "RE: Ras Kass and OC - Action Guaranteed"
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wow...forgot about that joint, not good, and very talented brothers....

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68. "I'll never get over this one. To add insult to injury, I've never ever ..."
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>Lame, wanna-be radio hit on a compilation of underground
>shit.

the "Imaginary Crimes" song which the Source listed on a "Fat Tape". You remember that one? It was collab between Ras Kass, Pharoahe & OC. Have you heard this song? I don't know if the song even really exists... no reason for it not to leak, right?

  

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9. "MJ & Stevie."
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'Just Good Friends' from Bad is...not good. i mean, it's not terrible but. no.

'Get It' from Characters hurts my feelings. i haven't heard it in yrs.

fuck you.

  

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22. "I agree."
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the real collab we may never get to hear in full, but at least there's "Buttercup"

  

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10. "Aretha Franklin & James Brown."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sDLNrAGJE

'Gimme Your Love'.

LORD HAVE MERCY.

fuck you.

  

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11. "I never heard this. It made my soul wince (c)"
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Its wild how the eighties chewed up old school soul artists with shitty music. I was wondering if there was acappellas to this song and if someone made a remix of it. Turns out Prince did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyoxfk7jDxI

Even then, james brown + aretha franklin should yield far greater results.

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18. "hmmm. i hadn't heard the remix."
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it made me feel slightly better.

fuck you.

  

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12. "Doom and Ghost"
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69. "^"
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Maaaan...

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14. "The Questions"
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30. "that was boring as fuck"
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31. "RE: The Questions"
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...Yeah they could have come with a better joint, but thought it was a cool...not weak, just ok...

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35. "that joint is flames. n/m"
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40. "Came in to post this."
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I've come around on it on some "it's kinda funny" shit, and a semi-almost-decent novelty track. But in 2000, when I heard another Mos/Common collab was coming I was amped for two lyrical heavyweights duking it out again, only to get ... this.

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15. "Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter..."
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Two of my absolute favorite artists, and that 1 + 1 album (and tour) was NOTHING like I expected, in a bad way. It was basically just some completely abstract improvisation. No real tunes, no rhythm section, no grooves, nothing.

  

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17. "Prince and Madonna: Love Song"
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Sure in retrospect its a cool slow burn tune but back then..expected bettwr fireworks.

  

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19. "yes."
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fuck you.

  

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104. "that shit was and is great."
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26. "quik and dre 'put it on me'"
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Followed up with quik and hov

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27. "Yeah"
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>Followed up with quik and hov

and for as much flack some MCs get for picking wack beats... Jay probably had access to anything Quik had out there and he picked a weak interpolation of a song by the "other" Funkadelic with a Madonna hook? Cmon Jay

  

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28. "RE: Yeah"
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>>Followed up with quik and hov
>
>and for as much flack some MCs get for picking wack beats...
>Jay probably had access to anything Quik had out there and he
>picked a weak interpolation of a song by the "other"
>Funkadelic with a Madonna hook? Cmon Jay

Quik and Hov was the worst. Talk about letdown. I'm blame that more on Hov because I'm sure Quik had better beats he could have chose.

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29. "I was set up for hov over that triangle Quik sound"
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..only to get that ounce of wackness
I am proud to say that in 2015...I still haven't made it through the entire song
It makes Just Good Friends sound like a Flack and Hathaway collabo

Only things I can think of is that Hov was unable to flow on that sound
Or that he was deliberately trying to ruin quik's legacy



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32. "Hov spit great on that song"
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But that beat was run of the mill and the chorus was horrific

But probably my favorite lyrical performance on that album besides December 4th and Lucifer

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50. "RE: quik and dre 'put it on me'"
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I think Hov would've sounded cheesy and pandering on a "There's no doubt in my mind that Quik produced this" beat, like "Pitch In on a Party" or something Rhythmalism-sounding.

Stalley's "Spaceships & Woodgrain" is a definite point where I wasn't fooled by "Prod. by DJ Quik"

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53. "Yep to both!!! So tough for me being a huge Quik fan, and especially"
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for me having to be in Florida when Black album dropped. As much shit as I talked about Quik and about how dope he was for Jay to get him on his final album....he dropped that horrid shit.

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33. "this might turn into an endless thread"
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Dre & Jay

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47. "30 Something.."
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Basically every Dre/Jay collab besides Watcher 2

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49. "Lost One was pretty dope *shrugs*"
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But otherwise ... yea, mostly meh.

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39. "De La Soul & Madlib...."
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.....i mean, i like it ...but that shit could have been CRAZY ...instead they went shopping


  

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48. "RE: De La Soul & Madlib...."
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...too funny...

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63. "LOL hey man I like that song"
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And the Sean Paul joint was the shit.

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64. "didn't know that was a Madlib beat. had that as my ringtone for a few"
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years on my old motorola phone.

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89. "Agreed, Shopping Bags Was Corny"
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That's the one tracks I thought they could've picked a dozen better beats from that Madlib beat tape but the fact they wrote a song about a girl shopping was a let down.


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94. "that beat is god awful"
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I can't stomach even a second of it.

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41. "MJ and Mick jagger"
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Mick Jagger can't sing to save his life. state of shock worked because of MJ basically IMO

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86. "Man, I do love this song though. The demo with F. Mercury was better."
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42. "In retrospect..."
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La Schmoove

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46. "RE: In retrospect..."
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...damn, dug that joint, gotta give it a spin after all these years...

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66. "Fu Schnicks were great artists???"
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....still though i love that song

  

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73. "It has aged horribly. "
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n/m

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44. "Barry Bonds is awful. Mediocre beat, awful AWFUL Wayne verse"
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This was the official beginning of the end for Lil Wayne

  

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45. "Yeah, Wayne sucked. But I actually liked Kanye's verse on that"
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Quite a bit. Was probably my favorite verse by him to that point.

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51. "Swagger Like Us"
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Joint was hot at the time but aged terribly - beat still goes but Tip is the only one who sounds halfway decent on it

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54. "See, I hated it when it dropped. I knew it was all hype"
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Too trendy, and eh, hook was pretty irritating.

As huge as it was, you NEVER, ever ever ever ever (c) Young Young Hov hear that shit no mo.

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74. "TRUTH"
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we keep it moving,

  

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123. "tip killed it"
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only one who tried

  

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55. "'justify my thug' was fucking awful."
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56. "yup...quik threw the winning lottery ticket in the trash with that one"
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59. "I'm sure Jay chose that beat. Quik had other sh*t Jay could have chose"
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Just like that 9th Wonder beat was kinda meh. I bet 9th played Jay some better material.

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82. "lol... 9th had TWO BETTER versions on his remix album"
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>Just like that 9th Wonder beat was kinda meh. I bet 9th
>played Jay some better material.

when I heard the Luther one, I put my hand on the steering wheel and said "DAMMIT!!!"

  

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107. "The Luther version will FOREVER win"
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It's the only version I play.

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114. "I know he offered Jay "California" that he kept for Trauma "
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Truth is, I don't know what Quik beat woulda really fit Jay-Z the most.

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67. "Prince & Miles Davis"
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Not horrid, but nowhere near the potential.

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97. "that even real?"
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101. "from alan leeds"
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Yeah it's real. I had it on an old bootleg. Think it's on the work too. Even Prince was meh about it peep:

TLM: Can you explain how "Can I Play With U?" happened?

AL: I'm basing this on my files and Eric's journals and his recollections. Shortly after the meeting at the airport, they swapped numbers and I'm sure they talked about Prince submitting some material for the first Warner Bros album. As I said, there might even have been conversations before they met Tommy LiPuma and the Warner Bros people. So it was already in our mind that 'Miles was on Warner and you guys are going to end up doing something together.' Now, they've met and swapped numbers, it was more imminent. And once Prince has got a passion for something, he jumps right on it.

Within a couple of weeks, Prince was in the studio and he recorded the initial track was on the 26th and 27th of December 1985. Eric was in Florida on holiday with our parents and he got a call from Prince saying 'hey you gotta come round here.' Prince did the basic track on the 26th and Eric overdubbed his horn on the 27th. Eric recalls Prince intending to take the tape to Miles in Malibu and Prince said to Eric; "I'm going to take this tape to Miles in Malibu. Do you want to go?' And Eric was well up for it! I don't know why, but that meeting never happened but they sent the tape by messenger. In January Prince sent the multi-track tape to Miles for him to do whatever overdubs he wanted to do. This didn't happen until February and March. Prince was never present at any of those overdub sessions - he had absolutely nothing to do with them. He was enamoured with Miles but I don't know how ambitious Prince was about working with Miles.

TLM: It seems that Miles always wanted greater collaboration but Prince never seemed to countenance them working together in a studio on an album. Why was this?

AL: First of all, you're dealing with two people who are control freaks. And if Miles is a control freak, multiply that five when you come to Prince! As enamoured as he was with Miles, it was never to the extent that he wanted to sacrifice his control. By the same token, there was Prince's MO of producing other people - by then he had produced Chaka Khan, George Clinton, Patti Labelle - throughout his career. His idea is not the standard producer/artist relationship He just simply writes and produces a track that he thinks would be good for an artist and then he's willing if necessary to supervise the vocal overdub in the case of singers, but he doesn't really like to do that. He's uncomfortable directing other artists that he respects. He doesn't see himself in the role of a traditional producer, whose job is to bring out the essence of what the artist is. With Prince it's a matter of 'This is how I do it and here's how you could fit in. Give it a shot and see if you fit in.' But he's not going to change what he does to fit the artist, so in that sense he's really not a producer, at least of other people. And I think he realises that about himself, that lack of flexibility of as a producer.

And Eric reminded me of a quote -and here I'm paraphrasing - he remembers Prince saying to him 'I can't imagine what it would be like to tell Miles what to do.' In other words, 'I wouldn't want anybody telling me what to do, so how dare I tell the great Miles Davis what to do.' So the idea of being in a studio with Miles and trying to direct him was foreign to him and he just couldn't even conceive of that scenario. The irony was that Miles would have welcomed it and that's what we were trying to get through to Prince. Unlike Prince, Miles was somebody who was open to that and who would be interested in seeing where you would take him. Miles had the spirit of adventure to be wide open to see what it would be like for you to direct him as a producer. It was really all about Prince being completely intimidated at being in that role and how he really couldn't understand someone being in that role.

TLM: Prince pulled the track from the album.

AL: I remember Prince's reaction when he got the tape back - he wasn't enthralled with it. Not so much because of what Miles had done with it. But he just lived with the song long enough and realised that there wasn't really anything brilliant about it. It was something that had been hastily and impulsively done. I feel certain that Prince felt that if there was going to be a collaboration that was officially released, it should be something more significant than what that track was. That wasn't a reflection of Miles's playing, but more about the composition and the significance of the quality of the track in itself. He seemed to lose interest in that track and the fact that album ended up going in a different direction . I think if Tommy LiPuma or Miles had gone back to Prince and said 'look this track isn't great. Let's do more and let's make an album together,' I think Prince would have probably submitted twenty tracks. I don't think it would have changed his MO or his willingness to spend a lot of time in the studio together, but I think he would have been interested in submitting tons of tracks in the hope of making an album. But that didn't happen. Whether he was hurt by that, I don't know, but I know he just seemed to lose interest.

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105. "thanks, imp."
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yeah, this all makes sense.

  

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72. "Buckshot X 9th wonder"
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some of that $hit was just plain boring.

buckshots flow can be flat sometimes, but the Beatminerz always had the dope beat/tight loop to balance it out, but some of them 9th wonder beats was just blah....then a flat verse on top?

#RefundPlease

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76. "RE: Buckshot X 9th wonder"
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...agreed, but this joint right here is the slickness...

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77. "this is nice"
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I shoulda been more specific. I was speaking on 'The Chemistry', but TBH I was kinda let down and didnt even check for the fact that they put out 2 more.

good lookin.

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79. "the 12" the put out for the LP was dope tho"
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75. "RE: All Time Disappointing Collaborations..."
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the OC & AG album could have been stronger. Especially since they both had sort of reemerged with new energies around the time it dropped.


Krs & Showbiz as well. I fucked with it though.

  

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80. "Talib Kweli "Joy""
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Similar to someone's anecdote about "The Questions," I remember buying 'Quality' and being MAD hype about another Black Star reunion. Song is not bad, but man was I disappointed.

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83. "RE: All Time Disappointing Collaborations..."
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This....brothers are too talented to come up with this recycled junk...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW5Ims0qNNA

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84. "Jaylib, what happened?"
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Two in my all time favorites list got together and and it was just...
"eh, aite/cool *shrug*"

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85. "A few problems with it"
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For one, they never met up for it, so it had little to no direction as far as an artistic vision is concerned. Basically, they were like the 2011 Miami Heat: talented enough to make it work without having any sort of chemistry going. These guys would have been better off meeting up and knocking it out in a few sittings if you ask me.

Secondly, neither of them are very good at rapping. Madlib's thing works best on something like the Quasimoto albums where his nonsense is part of the program and has a "so bad that it's good" thing going. It doesn't work on showcase album like this one. Dilla's cool; he can hang in the pocket just fine and sound like a rapper, but his subject matter was beyond trite.

Lastly, I think Dilla's production was hit and miss and really wasn't up to his usual standard. Some say it's because Madlib picked the wrong ones, but that doesn't excuse the poor showing here from the producer that some consider the GOAT. He had the highest highs in The Red and possibly Starz, but Madlib brought more heat here than Dilla. I would've preferred a more consistent production from Dilla on this one.

  

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91. "yeah but dat bootleg"
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87. "Kanye &amp; Chris Martin - Homecoming"
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just kidding, i knew it'd suck before hearing it, and it did

mos def's collaboration with slick rick over a madlib beat was pretty disappointing for me. as was the de la collab on common's 'one day it'll all make sense', but they did knock it out of the park on 'the business' so that kinda makes up for it.

'drunk and hot girls' is also fucking horrendous. 'two words' from college dropout is dope as fuck though

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92. "Bite your tongue"
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"mos def's collaboration with slick rick over a madlib beat was pretty disappointing for me."

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98. "no kidding, wtf?"
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88. ""Guerilla Monsoon Rap""
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This was a collaboration that I swear I was going to love until I heard that wack ass beat, and Pharoahe Monch hasn't rapped over too much lame beats when this came out, Talib had a good choice of picking decent beats as well but Pharoahe & Blackthought's verses were dope but being it was Talib's album he could've spat a better verse.


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90. "RE: "Guerilla Monsoon Rap""
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Agreed...super average for the talent involved...

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99. "Good choice. I expected that song to be so much iller."
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>This was a collaboration that I swear I was going to love
>until I heard that wack ass beat, and Pharoahe Monch hasn't
>rapped over too much lame beats when this came out, Talib had
>a good choice of picking decent beats as well but Pharoahe &
>Blackthought's verses were dope but being it was Talib's album
>he could've spat a better verse.
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100. "Camron ft. Jadakiss - Let's Talk About It"
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It's a shame they never did a song together (with just them) before this. This is lazy throwaway Cam, plus Black Milk bodied this sample so much harder on "Losing Out".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygk905hdAxo

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102. "Getaway Car - Aesop Rock, Breezly Brewin & Cage"
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103. "What! That shit is tough"
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106. "RE: What! That shit is tough"
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Agreed...slick track...

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108. "Big Pun and Canibus - Fantastic 4 (DJ Clue)"
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Canibus went in as usual. Big Pun, though, half-assed it. I remember really being amped for this as they were 2 of my favorite rappers of the day only to be underwhelmed by how Pun's performance turned out.

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109. "Rob Halford/Bruce Dickinson"
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111. "No Hov/Kellz on the list yet?"
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113. "Not disappointing"
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We all knew it would be bad

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117. "wait...no one mentioned Lucy Pearl?"
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y'all slippin'

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118. "RE: wait...no one mentioned Lucy Pearl?"
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Yes...a lot of talent there, just did not come together...

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120. "What's funny to me is that in L.A., "You" is a MAAAAJOR classic"
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Yet, it's silly that it's labeled as being a "Lucy Pearl" song when it's really just Raphael...Battlecat produced it, not Ali Shaheed, and then it's Q-Tip and Snoop on there. So...no idea why it's labeled as a Lucy Pearl track.

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121. "Musiq and Bilal"
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not sure why i thought these two together would be a lot better...

just turned out to be blah...


even corny from the beginning intro

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122. "Goodie Mob and TLC "
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Although most of that album was meh except for "Rebuilding"

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124. "Beyonce & Shakira, but that video was visually stunning"
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