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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Youtube one step closer to being the killer music app"


  

          

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-finally-announces-youtube-music-subscription-service-193654693.html

So what will be different about a youtube music app versus spotify, amazon music or even google play music?

all the covers and once illegal uploads, will be covered by the service and the artist will get paid for those once illegal tracks (because of music recognition software).

No one else is able to offer user generated content like that.

If done right it could be the game changer that kills the other services.

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$7.99 a month not to get ads
Nov 13th 2014
1
You missed the download music part.
Nov 13th 2014
3
      I think you mean YouTube + Google Play
Nov 13th 2014
4
wait im confused.
Nov 13th 2014
2
Your assumption about this service is incorrect.
Nov 13th 2014
5
this actually will allow for offline playback
Nov 13th 2014
7
Yeah you don't understand this new service, I've played with the beta.
Nov 14th 2014
9
      nope you're still Mistaken.
Nov 14th 2014
10
           How else can I explain this, I HAVE USED THE NEW APP.
Nov 14th 2014
11
                ok
Nov 16th 2014
14
Pay $10 a month to download 128kbps shitty youtube rips?
Nov 13th 2014
6
what makes you think they're 128?
Nov 14th 2014
8
      RE: what makes you think they're 128?
Nov 15th 2014
12
           It's not the youtube rips.
Nov 15th 2014
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I stand corrected.
Nov 20th 2014
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Works great but seems to be somewhat random currently
Nov 20th 2014
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imcvspl
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Thu Nov-13-14 08:36 AM

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1. "$7.99 a month not to get ads"
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That's pretty much all I got out of this.

>all the covers and once illegal uploads, will be covered by
>the service and the artist will get paid for those once
>illegal tracks (because of music recognition software).

Yeah article says nothing about that, and considering to some degree that already exists, it's nothing new.

>No one else is able to offer user generated content like that.

Because they aren't user generated like *You*Tube.

>If done right it could be the game changer that kills the
>other services.

Except the only thing different about it from what it is now is that there's a tab that says music, and you're paying $7.99 not to get ads.

Jury's still out on whether those illegal full album streams will still be available in this new service.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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3. "You missed the download music part. "
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It's youtube currently + spotify with covers and other User Generated Content.

I fuzzed with a beta. Once they fix some of the bugs it will be dope.

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imcvspl
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4. "I think you mean YouTube + Google Play"
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Which if you have Play, you already have. Except now there'll be a music tab in youtube, and you can pay $7.99 to make the ads go away.

To your credit your big selling point seems to be the User gernerated, but you keep forgetting that it'll be google curated.

If I want to listen to the white girl cover of hot nigga off-line you really think

1) I'll just be able to add it to my legal playlist
2) Download it legally to my phone as apart of my subscription
3) Download it from Google servers

Nope it'll just reference schmurda's hot nigga in Google Play with the Music Key skin.

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Binlahab
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Thu Nov-13-14 08:42 AM

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2. "wait im confused. "
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so you can play youtube on your phone...and make a bunch of playlists or whatever?

if the price for this is 7.99, thats cheaper than my beats subscription is meaning im out


does it really matter?

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stone_phalanges
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Thu Nov-13-14 01:30 PM

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5. "Your assumption about this service is incorrect."
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Thu Nov-13-14 01:34 PM by stone_phalanges

  

          

Music that is appearing illegally, like unauthorized bootlegs etc. Will stay just as they are. If the label didn't want them available digitally then this service in and of itself will not change that. However, the authorized music (ie. the stuff that is likely already on Spotify and every other streaming service) will be available without advertisements.

It really is stupid, and pointless, and when I see people using Youtube to listen to music it saddens me.

Youtube is not available offline.

Youtube has no background audio on mobile (you have to keep the screen on)

Youtube has no library management or organization, though this service may change that.

Youtube is for videos.

Why not just stop using Youtube to listen to music so Google can stop doing stupid things.

Also, is this an age thing, like, are you 17 or something.

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Stevie Lee
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Thu Nov-13-14 10:55 PM

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7. "this actually will allow for offline playback"
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but yeah. I don't really see the appeal.

  

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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9. "Yeah you don't understand this new service, I've played with the beta. "
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>Music that is appearing illegally, like unauthorized bootlegs
>etc. Will stay just as they are.


YT has a service that recognizes these songs and pays the rightsholder just like an authorized recording.


If the label didn't want them
>available digitally then this service in and of itself will
>not change that.

However, the authorized music (ie. the stuff
>that is likely already on Spotify and every other streaming
>service) will be available without advertisements.

There is that as well.

>
>It really is stupid, and pointless, and when I see people
>using Youtube to listen to music it saddens me.
>
>Youtube is not available offline.

Didn't bother to read the story, yes it will be available offline with the new service.


>Youtube has no background audio on mobile (you have to keep
>the screen on)


The new app has this.

>
>Youtube has no library management or organization, though this
>service may change that.

Again, new service will eventually have this.

>
>Youtube is for videos.

No, the new service is for video and music.

>
>Why not just stop using Youtube to listen to music so Google
>can stop doing stupid things.
>
>Also, is this an age thing, like, are you 17 or something.

I am 37, I watch my 20 and younger fam listen to music exclusively on YT. YT is building on this to create a more spotify like experience (plus videos) which is what I am describing as the killer app.




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stone_phalanges
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10. "nope you're still Mistaken. "
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The downloading the article references is the service formally known as all access. It doesn't use the Youtube app it uses the music app.

"A subscription to Music Key will include all of the Play Music features, as well, such as saving songs to your phone for offline listening."

Music Key includes Google Play All Access.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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11. "How else can I explain this, I HAVE USED THE NEW APP."
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I know the features it has. How are you going to tell me otherwise?


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stone_phalanges
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14. "ok"
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So, in addition to the music tab (that I have as well) what have they added, and what do you need to tap to download for offline use?

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ChiefRocka
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6. "Pay $10 a month to download 128kbps shitty youtube rips?"
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No thanks.


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8. "what makes you think they're 128?"
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12. "RE: what makes you think they're 128?"
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If it's just allowing you to download the user generated content on youtube using music recognition software (which is what I took from this announcement), that tells me Youtube isn't going to be personally uploading perfect FLAC's/320kbps/V0 versions of these albums to replace the user posted ones which are all in garbage quality.


I could be wrong, but still, doesn't sound like an appealing service to me.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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13. "It's not the youtube rips. "
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stone_phalanges
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15. "I stand corrected."
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Everything you said was true. Sorry I doubted you.

youtube is a pretty cool music app now.

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stone_phalanges
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16. "Works great but seems to be somewhat random currently"
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I tried out an artist know for being unavailable on streaming sites:

Led Zepplin.

Several songs were completely blocked others were playable with background audio and downloading, others still were playable but without background audio or downloading. I searched for several of their albums and while some had wider availability than others they all had songs or some feature missing, be it offline play, downloading, or possibly being blocked by the label.

Overall I would say its a good start. The availability of some of the features feels a bit random at this point, but its possible that Google hasn't yet fully spread it's licensing magic to everything in the catalog.

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