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my list was looking like...

1.RZA
2.Premo
3.Dilla
4.Madlib
5.ALC

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Maybe not that order though.

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"...You didn't do the knowledge what the God was manifestin'..."

are you saying he's in there easy?
Or are you saying a lack of focus/quality control brings him down? Or, similarly, that he's like Prince -- with just sooo much material, that for some folks it dimishes his crowning achievements?

I don't even know which way I see it, it's just a bit unclear what you meant.

>are you saying he's in there easy?
>Or are you saying a lack of focus/quality control brings him
>down? Or, similarly, that he's like Prince -- with just sooo
>much material, that for some folks it dimishes his crowning
>achievements?

I actually said this about a few weeks ago. When you put that much material out, there's bound to be quite a few duds and those distract from the exemplary stuff.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

How's it compare to other Madlib produced albums?

now i was drunk & sour'd up so that may have somn to do w/ it but that shit is quite spectacular...

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are you working on a "gotcha" where you can expose my hypocrisy to the Lesson?

lol

im not running & checking for his other stuff fyi

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I mean your hypocrisy somewhat writes itself but I was honestly asking.

i can entertain & understand various opinions & views bc im not afraid to be a human being in a complicated world

also im a Gemini, so its my nature

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

Madlib is in my top 10 though.

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Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

Pete Rock, Alchemist, DJ Quik, Kanye, Diamond D, Beatminerz, Clark Kent, Marley Marl, Large Pro...

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

"Beatnuts, Havoc, Erick Sermon, DJ Muggs, Timbaland, Alchemist, DJ Quik, Kanye, Diamond D, Beatminerz, Clark Kent"

NO WAY DUDE

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>"Beatnuts, Havoc, Erick Sermon, DJ Muggs, Timbaland,
>Alchemist, DJ Quik, Kanye, Diamond D, Beatminerz, Clark Kent"
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>NO WAY DUDE
>
>


I've loved Madlib since "soundpieces"...but there are just too many ahead of dude.

I feel like Madlib is a lot more versatile than some of the legends I listed, but when it comes to this rap shit?


c'mon.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

when someone says "only on OKP" it's a sign of defeat

you are simply aping the canonical views of trapped in the 90's dudes, none of those cats have anywhere near the depth & breadth of quality music created by Otis

like, Havoc son? Alc? motherfuckin Muggs?

yeah, you on that BS straight up

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he's done a lot of different stuff and he doesn't get enough credit for it

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that goes for depth of work, originality, catalog, verstility, quality of production, etc

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Muggs has:
first two Cypress albums (classics)
first two House of Pain albums (produced half of each and both are incredible on the production tip, the second one had a few innovations in technique)
Dust
Grandmasters
plus all of his one-offs and remix work, it becomes A LOT closer than you think, and I'd personally take Muggs over Libby
and Pete Rock aside, NOBODY freaks horns like Muggs does, that second House of Pain record is a testament to how to do it right

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He only named three to prove someone isn't top 5

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those guys have a case over Lib

personally only Dilla is over him from those names

no:
Clark Kent
Diamond D
Beatminerz
Large Pro
Marley Marl
Alchemist
Quik
Pete
Beatnuts
Havoc

>those guys have a case over Lib
>
>personally only Dilla is over him from those names
>
>no:
>Clark Kent
>Diamond D
>Beatminerz
>Large Pro
>Marley Marl
>Alchemist
>Quik
>Pete
>Beatnuts
>Havoc

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All Souled Out
Mecca And The Soul Brother
The Main Ingredient
Center of Attention
Soul Survivor
Petestrumentals
80 Blocks

I haven't even gotten into all of his remixes like Shut Em Down and outside individual production like The World Is Yours.

Dilla's favorite producer.

Had Jazz and Juicy jacked from him.

Troy is a contender for best beat of all-time.

Has remixed Premo joints and made better versions.

Like damn...what else does the man have to do?

>Dilla's favorite producer.
and Pete has Madlib as one of his favorites

>
>Had Jazz and Juicy jacked from him.
>
>Troy is a contender for best beat of all-time.
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>Has remixed Premo joints and made better versions.
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>Like damn...what else does the man have to do?
he's a legend. no disrespect never


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That's just my opinion.

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The fact Premo/Dre/RZA are untouchable and Pete is not for some weird ass reason to you weirdos is ridiculous.

Not sure why you're bringing up AZ...but since you did, Madlib could benefit from doing an album with a real MC instead filling his albums with some Quasimoto bullshit that normal people can't even listen to.

and would prolly rank 2 on my personal top 5 behind Lib

just fyi

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0PccPy_pTM&feature=kp

at Legget the summer of 95

the album brings back memories of my first year dorm room

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Underrated album...

that's an all-time remix in my opinion, that shit is insane

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>those guys have a case over Lib
>
>personally only Dilla is over him from those names
>
>no:
>Clark Kent
>Diamond D
>Beatminerz
>Large Pro
>Marley Marl
>Alchemist
>Quik
>Beatnuts
>Havoc

had to take Pete out bc tbe argument is top 5, but Lib is my #1

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Eazy-Duz-It, Straight Outta Compton, No One Can Do It Better, Niggaz4Lif, The Chronic and Doggystyle say otherwise. It's cool if you're not a fan of his though. I just don't think Lib has a run of albums in his catalog that can match it.

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Don't see how a man can be around for like 3 decades and still get overlooked with such ease...

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

to someone else in their prime's last five years. Or even if they say "since 2000"...which is the logic a lot of them have.

But man. It's not even worth an argument when I read something like this. Even most Pete Rock and Primo fans would NEVER say "it's not even close" btwn them and Dre.

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i guess some would throw Em & 50 in there

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and lets not get happy go lucky with impact, cause Lib is pretty much name dropped / influential to producers post 2005 as Dre was late 80 / early 90s

>and lets not get happy go lucky with impact, cause Lib is
>pretty much name dropped / influential to producers post 2005
>as Dre was late 80 / early 90s
>
True but rap was better back then so the advantage still goes to Dre because even the producers he influenced make better music than the producers Lib influenced. I'm a fan of both but in the end on OKP it all comes down to preference. I don't think Lib has a run comparable to this in his discog Eazy-Duz-It, Straight Outta Compton, No One Can Do It Better, efil4zaggin, The Chronic and Doggystyle. It could be by choice too because he's a different breed of producer.

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Hell, even the 2001 and then "In da club" sounds he made had a strong influence for a good 4-5 years.

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in fact there's an argument to be made that Dre's overall "influence" on rap/hip-hop has been quite negative & even destructive

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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

...of the people that were named in this post whose historical significance is due to one or two fully produced albums

like, i LOVE timbaland, but if i have to choose between madlib and timbo based on their hip-hop work? not a question i'm going w/ otis

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because thats his best work to date


is Madvillainy up there with the other top 5-10 producer's best albums?


as good as The Infamous? Sun Rises in the East? 36 Chambers? Chronic? It Takes a Nation?

but fwiw Madvillain easily stand up to all those albums

oh & the Infamous is easily one of the most overrated Rap albums ever

edit: honestly the more i think about this criteria u pulled out ur ass the more i feel it actually definitively marginalizes the breadth of his career

to eval this w/o acknowledging his Beat Konducta output or the scope of the Medicine Show shortchanges his contributions esp bc none of these other cats can claim similar output/contributions

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the infamous is a top 10 classic, damn near untouchable...what are u smoking

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i do get a chuckle when i challenge the rap canon & yall get mad tho

look, i crowned Lib years ago as the best

time is only proving me right

just like all the folks who LOL'd at my Oddisee > Kanye post only to see their respective releases last year prove me to be 100% correct

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I was just laying out why one person would put him in their top 5 and another would not



Madlib has thrived in a niche of hip hop that wants an experimental, untraditional sound. But he hasn't really branched out and worked with someone you wouldn't expect him to until Pinata.


Lets move the argument away from one-producer albums for a sec and talk about guest production ...

You have to wonder why more rappers aren't requesting a Madlib beat on their albums? For all of those in people's top 5 or 10, at one point they were the most sought after producers in the game. Everyone wanted to work with them regardless of what style they were bringing... In the 90's that was Primo or Dre. The 00's it was Kanye.


Even after Madvillainy and all the hype that got, I don't remember 'Lib being a cat that many rappers wanted for their albums. You have to wonder why...

De La rapped on Madlib beats

Ghost rapped on Madlib beats

cats from OF have

Blu made an album over his beats

Mos has & supposedly has a full LP w/ him in the works

Talib's best album is prolly Liberation

the problem isn't Madlib, the problem is these dumbass rappers

who does Nas even get his horrible beats from?

does Jay even have the ability to rap on madlib beats?

why wouldn't any MC want to rap over an amazing creation like the instro to Blaxican? Medical card?

what rappers would you need to hear or have heard on his beats to be satisfied?

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>does Jay even have the ability to rap on madlib beats?
>

>Talib's best album is prolly Liberation

it's good/standard madlib.

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but one of the knocks on him is that he doesn't have more than one top shelf album where he produces another rapper

Madvillain is it, even if Liberation is somewhat forgotten

this LP ha the potential to dead tha argument bc most cats dont have 2 LPs w/ outside of their crew rappers that are not only that quality, but an entire decade apart

name a producer that debuted over 20 years ago that is still doing what this guy can do...

so...

take the Quas albums
add Madvillain
and add Pinata

throw in the Beat Konducta series and the Medicine Show...

who else has achieved this level?

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Do you think the MCing on these Doom projects has anything to do with him not getting the credit you feel he deserves?

a backseat when ppl eval the album's classic status?

just to clarify

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

The lyrical performances on these Madlib albums...

who else has he worked with?

buncha comps

dudley

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They're not on the same level.

And this ain't a knock on Madlib at all.

It's much easier to get to top 5 working with legends than some underground cats.

especially bc he does so much the others don't

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I'm just pointing out the undeniable fact that people will have different perceptions of a classic album from Raekwon produced by RZA than a classic album by Guilty Simpson produced by Madlib.

Regardless how much we would like to separate the production from the MC's performance, it just won't happen due to various factors.

Prime example is Livin' Proof. There's not one person that questions to production or that the album is great regardless of the MCs. But when it's time to mention greatest albums of all-time, it never comes up.

Madlib just doesn't have one of those bulletproof albums. Because despite how much you and I like Doom, he is not the most accessible MC...not to mention the album came out in 04 which automatically makes it damn near impossible for it to achieve the same impact as clear cut classics.

a lot of the beats sound the same. not in a bad way though. it fits the vibe perfectly. there's never a break in the flow of the album from either lib or gibbs. that's a huge achievement in 2014. shit even a lot of classics suffered from one or two songs that break the flow.

at the same time, because of it you couldn't say it's anywhere near lib's best. not even his best work with an mc really. but it might be the most cohesive. and that's worth something.

can't really compare it with classic hip-hop production though because the context is completely different. lib has created a completely different production mythos than what existed in the hey days. no producer back then had built up a body of work like lib had. none of them had the opportunity to. all of their work went into rapper shit. making that the standard. this puts lib outside of his standard so to speak and shows he can rock it with the best.

he's top 10 regardless. unfortunately i don't know if he's done or can do enough to crack the top 5. not sure anyone at this point can. the genre is completely different and the doors on what it was are quickly closing.

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