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""College Dropout" 10 Year Anniversary Oral History"


          

a really great, really long oral history of the making of "College Dropout"

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5893976/kanye-wests-the-college-dropout-an-oral-history

  

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his best album.
Feb 06th 2014
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The album I go back to the least from Ye
Feb 06th 2014
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RE: The album I go back to the least from Ye
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F them for stopping at through the wire
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^^^^^
Feb 06th 2014
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yep me 2
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yep family business is my favorite kanye song
Feb 06th 2014
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I also love Family Business
Feb 06th 2014
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probably a replaying, or a mixing adjustment
Feb 07th 2014
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That was really good
Feb 06th 2014
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Crazy how much they all fronted on Ye
Feb 06th 2014
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it's not that outlandish though
Feb 06th 2014
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That exec from Capitol who passed on 50 Cent
Feb 06th 2014
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50 was right they really was scared of him lol
Feb 06th 2014
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was that andy slater--the guy who produced fiona apple's first LP?
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must.resist.urge.to.troll.must.resist.
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My friend was at Sundance during the story Dame tells!!
Feb 06th 2014
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#illuminatti
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i play Last Call every once in a while
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kanye saying he's gonna be bigger than jermaine dupri
Feb 06th 2014
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Just Realized Mos Def is the only one who stuck to the "Two Words"
Feb 06th 2014
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You just realized that?! Haha I realized that the first time...
Feb 06th 2014
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"This is an exact quote he said to Jermaine Dupri's father." HAHA
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I didn't know he made a video for Spaceship
Feb 06th 2014
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RE: "College Dropout" 10 Year Anniversary Oral History
Feb 07th 2014
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If you tried it'd only take you a few songs to realize why you don't.
Feb 07th 2014
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      RE: If you tried it'd only take you a few songs to realize why you don't...
Feb 07th 2014
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           Explain this please, if you would...
Feb 07th 2014
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           We Major definitely sounds Doom inspired. The loop and the drums.
Feb 07th 2014
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                Word ok. I guess I see it. But...
Feb 07th 2014
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           explain how LR is "fagged out" please
Feb 07th 2014
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                no philly blunts and timb boots kid
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just some thoughts stemming from a conversation I had last night.
Feb 07th 2014
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Yo this song was a big exhale for me.
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      that hospital bed conversation in the story is pretty telling.
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1. "his best album. "
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2. "The album I go back to the least from Ye"
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It hasn't aged well at all IMO. I only listen to 4 tracks off that album now. I think it's a bit overrated but it came out at the right time when hip-hop needed a change in the mainstream.

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22. "RE: The album I go back to the least from Ye"
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^^^yep.

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3. "F them for stopping at through the wire"
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Family business is my favorite Kanye West song..I want to know why the sample sound a lil off on the retail version then it was on the advance.

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4. "^^^^^"
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>Family business is my favorite Kanye West song..I want to
>know why the sample sound a lil off on the retail version then
>it was on the advance.

Agreed! The piano on the original was much better IMO. In fact I replaced the album version with the original version on my iTunes copy of the record.

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5. "yep me 2 "
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10. "yep family business is my favorite kanye song"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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17. "I also love Family Business"
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Such a great song.

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25. "probably a replaying, or a mixing adjustment"
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6. "That was really good"
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I wonder if GLC regrets not taking another deal.

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7. "Crazy how much they all fronted on Ye"
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Like, I knew that that was a crucial part of his story, but to read several accounts going over the specific details...I can understand his frustrations lol.

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19. "it's not that outlandish though"
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he really wasn't that good a rapper in the beginning.
he got waaaay better.

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8. "That exec from Capitol who passed on 50 Cent"
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LOL

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9. "50 was right they really was scared of him lol"
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15. "was that andy slater--the guy who produced fiona apple's first LP?"
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and macy gray too???


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11. "must.resist.urge.to.troll.must.resist."
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12. "My friend was at Sundance during the story Dame tells!!"
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She met Kanye there. He had on the polo shirt with the teddy bear and the backpack. She said he keep going on and on about how big he would be. He performed and no one was listening and he went off on the audience.


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13. "#illuminatti"
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>She said he keep going on and on about
>how big he would be.

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14. "i play Last Call every once in a while"
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good reminder that theres a victory behind every loss

  

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16. "kanye saying he's gonna be bigger than jermaine dupri"
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...to jermaine's dad (michael mauldin).

i laugh every time i hear that story.


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18. "Just Realized Mos Def is the only one who stuck to the "Two Words""
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Theme.

Love that track.

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20. "You just realized that?! Haha I realized that the first time..."
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I ever heard it. Mos killed it. I was like "this Kanye dood is a clown" haha

Still one of my favorite tracks regardless, mostly cause of the beat and Mos' verse. So dope.

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21. ""This is an exact quote he said to Jermaine Dupri's father." HAHA"
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23. "I didn't know he made a video for Spaceship"
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One of my favorite Kanye songs ever.

  

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24. "RE: "College Dropout" 10 Year Anniversary Oral History"
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i never, ever listen to this album.

  

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26. "If you tried it'd only take you a few songs to realize why you don't."
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Dude just wasn't that strong a rapper at the time. Not just lyrically, but from a delivery standpoint. He hadn't quite learned how to emote with authority yet, or be loose with his flow. There's a huge difference (to my ear) between his skill set on CD and LR. I remember hearing Diamonds From Sierra Leone and thinking "Oh, he's stepping it up".

I've seen (the condescending opinion) that the consensus is that LR is "The Lesson's" favorite Kanye album because of the beats and Jon Brion's involvement, but I think the appreciation for that album has a lot to do with the rhyming as well. He clearly made a conscious effort on his subsequent albums to simplify his rhyme structure to create lines and phrases that the audience could repeat/chant while listening and at shows. The whole stadium status thing. So it's not a reach to say that LR is also his strongest exhibition of rapping from a technical, rappity-rap standpoint. He was still trying to prove that he could really rap, and it show(s/ed). But I digress.

  

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29. "RE: If you tried it'd only take you a few songs to realize why you don't..."
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I at the very least sort of cared about CD when it dropped. I hated Late Registration off rip. Now i can see LR is stronger but it's still fagged out and i hate that he bit DOOM on we major.

  

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30. "Explain this please, if you would..."
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>and i hate that he bit DOOM
>on we major.

I've never heard this.

Also,

>fagged out

SMH

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32. "We Major definitely sounds Doom inspired. The loop and the drums."
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I remember many folks making that observation when the album came out. Kanye spiced it up by adding keyboard flourishes and so on, but that horn loop and the drum sounds and pattern especially are very Doom-like.

  

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33. "Word ok. I guess I see it. But..."
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there's a big difference between "mimicking" and "biting".

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31. "explain how LR is "fagged out" please"
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35. "no philly blunts and timb boots kid"
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nigga was all dressed nice talkin bout his shitty middle class struggles

nah son. where the real shit at yo!

Ye the reason so many of the yut gay gawd

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27. "just some thoughts stemming from a conversation I had last night."
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about why I'm feeling especially nostalgic about this album as the 10th creeps up:


For me, it wasn't so much the formative years as it was a mainstream rap album I REALLY liked (or at least listened to a LOT), and back then that's not really so easy to come by. For me at that time it was basically one a year (at the time I wouldn't call what Eminem was doing "mainstream" for example) - Blueprint, Lord Willin, Get Rich or Die Tryin', College Dropout - until 2005 when the tides started to shift and the big hit albums were more my style for a little bit. But College Dropout bridged that gap between what still sounded underground and exclusive in a mostly pre-internet, totally pre-Youtube era and what still made for really catchy, enjoyable, digestible pop music.

Kanye also cleared the way for rappers who were more blatantly being sold as comedians as much as wordsmiths. No one put their fists to their mouths and jumped up and down screaming "oooooooooh!" to "got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson / Got a light skin friend look like Michael Jackson" the way they did to the "god damn she fine but she party all the time!" antics of Jay-Z's "Girls, Girls, Girls", but we probably shouldn't have been so blind to Kanye's ability to deliver songs balancing that line between comical lark and social satire over and over again.

Thinking back on this album in the weekend leading up to its 10th anniversary (really Def Jam, no attempt to cash in with a huge retrospective box including mastered Good Ass Job mixtapes most Kanye fans probably haven't heard and what not? Can someone get me a line to their office?) it's most striking to me just how compelling the idea of it was. It's hard to remember now in a post-irony, post-Graduation world, but there was a time when pop rap was mostly really bad, gangsta rap was struggling to express itself from within the confines of the major studio system and underground rap was fractioning off into both boom bap purism and abstract dismantling of the form's very foundation. And them, you know, The Ummah or whatever.

College Dropout - and I think even at the time it felt capable of doing this - helped put an end to all that. You could put a song like "Jesus Walks" ten minutes ahead of "The New Workout Plan" and it could make sense. You could do drug dealer raps like "We Don't Care" and gather-round-the-dinner table testimonial like "Family Business" as album bookends and be confident the listener would feel like they were walking out the same door they came in. There had been good-to-great balancing acts in hip-hop before, but to my ears no one made that more palpable with a single release than Kanye with this here. To an awkward high school freshman who loved Black on Both Sides and Get Rich or Die Tryin' in near-equal measure, The College Dropout quickly became my everything.

Re-listening to it now (iTunes is registering 0 plays for all tracks, meaning I probably haven't listened to this album since May 22 2009 when I first scored it for the handbook) I can't help but realize how nostalgic this album was for me. Kanye's verse on "Get 'Em High" was one of my very first "I MUST learn this whole thing!" moments, and yes I already knew what 36 Chambers and The Blueprint sounded like. I wanted to know that verse. "Family Business" was the first beat that caught me flabbergasted by how pretty a hip-hop song can be, the way "I Got 5 on It" or "Ambitionz az a Ridah" taught me music can let its nuts hang as low as the gangsta-est rappers. I got to hear Ludacris and Mos Def on the same album, which at the time was all I ever wanted. Talib Kweli created an Okayplayer lurker and eventual addict out of me with a single line.

I could probably go on for another two or three paragraphs, about my memories for each individual song or how weird it seems to be listening to this album while looking at my old scores for it. Instead, I just want to say thanks to Kanye. And read this: (http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5893976/kanye-wests-the-college-dropout-an-oral-history,Billboard: Kanye West's College Dropout - An Oral History).

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28. "Yo this song was a big exhale for me. "
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Like as the gangsta stuff got more and more ridiculous and exaggerated it felt like hiph-hop heads were holding their breath for an artist were holding their breath for an artist who could do something different and have mainstream success.

I think I even psyched myself out into thinking he was a conscious rapper when truthfully he really wasn't (just very honest).
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34. "that hospital bed conversation in the story is pretty telling."
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Kanye wasn't always super calculating about what his public image would be, but once he thought he could be and succeeded, he just never looked back and let that confidence in his own ideas about what good rap music should sound like lead him wherever they went. the sheer confidence is impressive if nothing else.


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