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"Poll question: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?"


  

          

Poll result (39 votes)
All of it, or most of it (2 votes)Vote
A good amount, but not al of it (6 votes)Vote
A little bit, not too much (22 votes)Vote
None at all, or barely any (9 votes)Vote

  

  

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i'm saying yellow (barely)
Nov 24th 2013
1
marginal though association is good for bigger business
Nov 24th 2013
2
**Post Jack** what's YG's hype like in LA ??
Nov 24th 2013
3
It was highest in 2011 but it's still high. Thing is, he kind of created
Nov 24th 2013
4
      yeah I heard about his issue with Problem
Nov 24th 2013
13
           Yeah, and even deeper than that, Problem never paid Mustard for
Nov 24th 2013
14
                I assumed YG would have issues due to his banging on wax
Nov 25th 2013
19
                RE: Yeah, and even deeper than that, Problem never paid Mustard for
Nov 25th 2013
30
Opening the door to non exclusive hip hop channels, I'd say.
Nov 24th 2013
5
21.7%
Nov 24th 2013
6
Show your work.
Nov 24th 2013
15
      Hahaha
Nov 25th 2013
26
RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?
Nov 24th 2013
7
RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?
Nov 24th 2013
8
truth in that however still, it wasn't the same situation like snoop,Emi...
Nov 24th 2013
9
      RE: truth in that however still, it wasn't the same situation like snoop...
Nov 24th 2013
10
           Kendrick was grinding pre-dre tho... and what's VERY important to note
Nov 24th 2013
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                RE: Kendrick was grinding pre-dre tho... and what's VERY important to no...
Nov 25th 2013
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                     Dre has also signed a bunch of rappers that went nowhere
Nov 25th 2013
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Most of it
Nov 24th 2013
11
RE: Most of it
Nov 24th 2013
12
      he was buzzing off overly dedicated first
Nov 26th 2013
38
Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL
Nov 25th 2013
17
RE: Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL
Nov 25th 2013
20
Cultural icon currency doesn't go far in hip-hop
Nov 25th 2013
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      RE: Cultural icon currency doesn't go far in hip-hop
Nov 25th 2013
29
           False analogy. Jay's last hit album came out a few months ago
Nov 26th 2013
36
RE: Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL
Nov 25th 2013
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      How come he couldn't do this for his other Aftermath signees
Nov 25th 2013
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           RE: How come he couldn't do this for his other Aftermath signees
Nov 25th 2013
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8.
Nov 25th 2013
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i voted "a good amount" only because Dr. is a Major Co-Sign. &thats it
Nov 25th 2013
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I voted barely any since it's easy to forget they're affiliates
Nov 25th 2013
24
a little..dre cosigned..but top dawg got clout in the industry
Nov 25th 2013
25
RE: a little..dre cosigned..but top dawg got clout in the industry
Nov 25th 2013
32
Probably about half
Nov 25th 2013
33
RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?
Nov 25th 2013
34
ding ding ding, we have a winner ^
Nov 26th 2013
37

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1. "i'm saying yellow (barely)"
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he was already touring around the country like crazy around the time section 80 was about to drop
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2. "marginal though association is good for bigger business"
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however it ain't like Snoop or Eminem using the Dr Dre brand to get there wheels on the road.

Kendrick ain't dealing with the chain that even 50 had to deal with Em and Dr Dre.

actually Kendrick is in the same boat as the Game where Dre is concearned because the brand was so long established that unlike Snoop and Em, cats after don't have to carry that baggage as being seen and heard as a Dre Project

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3. "**Post Jack** what's YG's hype like in LA ??"
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https://twitter.com/onnextlevel

  

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4. "It was highest in 2011 but it's still high. Thing is, he kind of created"
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his own lane, so in 2011, he OWNED that whole "Ratchet" and Post-Jerkin lane. After that, everybody started using his style, and some did it better than him such as Problem...so he still has bangers and plenty of fans, but it's mainly the under 25 folks. The South is finally starting to catch on, but all his main hits were 2011...I'm good, Bitches ain't shit, Toot it and boot it was in damn 2009.

"Burn rubber" is goin haaard in the clubs right now though. And BTW...him and Problem don't get along for shit. It makes it hard on some of us who are kinda caught inbetween it

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13. "yeah I heard about his issue with Problem "
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Feels dude bit his style and is a fake gangsta
I was wonder cause I just checked his mixtape and dude can rap. He aint lyrical but he can rap I was surprised. He also had some bangers on there.

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14. "Yeah, and even deeper than that, Problem never paid Mustard for"
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"T.O." and YG is tight-tight with Mustard. Members from their crews have even fought before. And Problem is the type who never banged, but grew up with some gangstas and uses a lot of their references...even how he says "fingers in the sky bangin my gang." But rap wise, Problem's always been way way better, he just watered his style to grab YG's fans.

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19. "I assumed YG would have issues due to his banging on wax"
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but's funny cause he's seemed to have most of his beefs with cats from his hood Compton Menace and Problem..

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30. "RE: Yeah, and even deeper than that, Problem never paid Mustard for"
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DJ mustard has fucked over a lot of artists in his own right...

  

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5. "Opening the door to non exclusive hip hop channels, I'd say."
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But that only gets you in. Once you're in, then you gotta do work and have the ability. So I would say a lot, but only in opening that door. After that, homey had the product and drive to make it last.

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6. "21.7%"
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15. "Show your work."
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lol

  

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7. "RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?"
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80%

He wasn't buzzing that much in LA or anywhere else until Dre consigned him on the radio.

He was secretly signed and did the fake Indie route with Major money behind Sectiom 80 and drake consigns.

Without Dre signing him and pushing him at Interscope his album would have never come out.

Major labels don't release albums like that unless there is someone powerful in the building who can do what they want behind it.

End of story.

  

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8. "RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?"
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Not to mention the 3 million invested into swimming pools to make sure it was #1 at radio.

Talented artist, but a lot of talented artists don't get the same opportunities he received by being Dr. Dre's Compton passion project.

  

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9. "truth in that however still, it wasn't the same situation like snoop,Emi..."
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or even the Game. Kendrick had a different vibe that worked,association is part of the game,however 20 years ago Snoop being attached to Dr Dre was a Necessity though Snoop was something else, same with EMinem being a top flight lyricist, however being a white boy he really needed that dr dre co sign to hype it more.

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10. "RE: truth in that however still, it wasn't the same situation like snoop..."
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I feel you but... Kendrick's vibe wasn't really popping until Dre and them invested in him and the marketing of section 80.

Also. The Dre consign is what made him pop in the first place. it reeled casual fans in. Otherwise he was jay rock's hype man/ 2dopeboyz rapper.

Now Schoolboy Q is a whole other question ...

Without Dre consigning Kendrick and Kendrick blowing up... I don't think Q even has a record deal.

  

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16. "Kendrick was grinding pre-dre tho... and what's VERY important to note"
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is that Kendrick made his album without Dre... even Good Kid.

Sure, Dre's name and association helped on a commercial level, but Dre didn't
"make" Kendrick. Just added his name to an already-in-motion movement.

  

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21. "RE: Kendrick was grinding pre-dre tho... and what's VERY important to no..."
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That's great. But a bunch of rappers grind everyday.

Not saying he didn't deserve his fame. He's talented as hell. But Dre gave him a record deal when his buzz wasn't really there.

  

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35. "Dre has also signed a bunch of rappers that went nowhere"
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Giving 80% of the credit to Dre is ridiculous when 80% of the rappers Dre has signed over the years never popped off at all. Look at the look Dre gave Hittman...didn't help his career one bit in the long run. If you look at Aftermath's track record, you have to give Kendrick and TDE a lot of the credit for his success. K Dot also tours his ass off and puts on a pretty good show, two other aspects a lot of other cats in his generation lack.
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11. "Most of it"
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otherwise he would be Dom Kennedy

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12. "RE: Most of it"
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Sees it.

And thats not even taking anything away from him... Just truth.

He was NOT buzzing until Dre got on the radio and talked about him.

  

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38. "he was buzzing off overly dedicated first"
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charted on billboard. and then he released section 80 where he got even more major buzz, and even tho he was fucking with dre at that time, most people had no idea.

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17. "Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL"
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Now, the CASH angle is a whole other story. Money is money, no matter the source.

But Dre's an old man to Kendrick's current audience: he's just a nigga who makes cool headphones. We may be pining for an album ten years in the making, but a 16 year old was 5 the last time he was musically relevant.

It's why those those little feeler tracks that leak periodically from supposed Detox sessions go nowhere.

  

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20. "RE: Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL"
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It does. Dr Dre is a cultural icon.

If a rapper signs to Joe Schmoe a&r as opposed to "Dr Dre" things go very different,y perception wise.

  

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27. "Cultural icon currency doesn't go far in hip-hop"
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It's why MC's aren't allowed to age gracefully like their rock and country counterparts. You're only as good as your last hit. Dre's is going on 15 years.

  

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29. "RE: Cultural icon currency doesn't go far in hip-hop"
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It does. Look at Jay-Z.

Speaking of which. The same thing happened for J. Cole.

No record deal or album release without Jay-Z.

  

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36. "False analogy. Jay's last hit album came out a few months ago"
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22. "RE: Dre's name still rings in the street like that? LOL"
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It's also Dr Dre's ability to call shots in a building.

He can release what he wants to release. That Kendrick album would have NEVER come out if a big name exec like Dre wasn't a part of it.

Major labels don't release non-traditional rap albums like that, and they don't invest heavily into them when they do. Dr Dre made that happen.

  

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28. "How come he couldn't do this for his other Aftermath signees"
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31. "RE: How come he couldn't do this for his other Aftermath signees"
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He could have. But didn't care to. He picks and chooses who he pushes.

He did it for Eminem and Game though.

Did he not?

  

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18. "8."
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23. "i voted "a good amount" only because Dr. is a Major Co-Sign. &thats it"
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for no other reason. that and the fact that he had dre rapping on his shit... which is a rarity these days. kendrick brought dre out of the woodworks for 2 songs. the dre co-sign was what took kendrick to the next level (platinum selling level/mainstream exposure). aside from that , kendrick already had all the tools

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24. "I voted barely any since it's easy to forget they're affiliates"
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He's more known for being linked w/Top Dawg than Dre

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25. "a little..dre cosigned..but top dawg got clout in the industry"
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32. "RE: a little..dre cosigned..but top dawg got clout in the industry"
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If TDE had so much clout before Dre, Jay Rock wouldn't have gotten shelved at Warner Bros. with singles feat. Lil Wayne in his prime.

Dr. Dre made TDE hot beyond twodopeboyz backpackers.

  

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33. "Probably about half"
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Despite what some people are trying to claim Kendrick had a big buzz in LA and had several major offers on the table before Dre and Warner Chappell ultimately signed him. Dre's co-sign mainly helps with the casual fan who sees oh hey Dre's new artist, he's from Compton, ok cool I'll give him a chance. Same with radio. He probably would have sold about half the amount of records that he did if he wasn't with Dre but that's still a gold record and a significant profile. The other half is Kendrick himself. He's the perfect artist to come along at this time. He's got the so called hood pedigree being from Compton but he's extremely lyrical while still being able to craft good songs which he did even on his mixtapes. Then he has that regular joe style that has a chance to grab a much wider audience than if you're just another gangbanging ass LA rapper. There have always been and will always be more regular dudes than hardcore, crack slanging, killers and Kendrick tapped into that for sure.

  

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34. "RE: How much of Kendrick's superstar success is owed to Dr. Dre?"
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There is a lot that conspires to make this work..

Jay Rock... purposely brough kendrick into the fold and allowed him to gain shine when HE was an xxl freshman. Buzz in the industry def begins as he is murdering the supposed "freshman" on freestyles

Top Dawg... structure of the team is crucial. He has a street presence and clout. Dudes also money smart. Jay rock's advance also spread to the lower rungs so that these cats can keep improving

K Dot.. kid is a beast. He rose to the occasion.. simple and plain. Ya'll can discount talent all you want but when the opportunity arose he ran with that fucking ball all the way

Dr Dre.. powerful dude for sure. His co-sign still means everything on the west (and to iovine). But there is NOTHING without the team. Eminem had Paul Rosenberg... 50 had sha money.... Every other rapper that failed at aftermath lacked the ability to capitalize because their team was not tight enough. So w/o Top Dawg and TDE kendrick is sitting on the shelf.

Dre was an excellent opportunity a large stepping stone. But w/o anything else it doesnt scale.

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37. "ding ding ding, we have a winner ^"
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