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mrhood75
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""Like a Rolling Stone" video>>>>>>>>>>your existence"
Tue Nov-19-13 03:52 PM by mrhood75

  

          

Bob Dylan, bitch.

http://gawker.com/stop-reading-this-sentence-and-just-watch-bob-dylans-i-1467612881

Edit: Tone, before you start hating, it's got Danny Brown in it.

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Sickness.
Nov 19th 2013
1
I've watched it three times already on my lunch break
Nov 19th 2013
2
yeah, it's effing great.
Nov 19th 2013
3
RE: I've not watched it, but this makes me cringe:
Nov 19th 2013
4
don't panic.
Nov 20th 2013
8
i came in to post it...best interactive video of all time
Nov 19th 2013
5
Greatness
Nov 20th 2013
7
excellent
Nov 20th 2013
9
love it.
Nov 20th 2013
10
Watched this about 10 times now
Nov 20th 2013
11
This joint is greatness!
Nov 20th 2013
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dope
Nov 20th 2013
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I"m loving this I been playing with it for an hour now
Nov 20th 2013
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PAUSE!!
Nov 21st 2013
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holy shit.
Nov 20th 2013
15
I've been telling people about this shit all day!
Nov 20th 2013
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RE: Also, before it was a video for two or three generations of. . .
Nov 20th 2013
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you sound old...and mad
Nov 20th 2013
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RE: You sound defensive and misguided.
Nov 20th 2013
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I'm pretty sure that's the point of the video
Nov 20th 2013
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RE: Except that before it was literally interactive,
Nov 20th 2013
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      Bob Dylan's been doing "interactive" for close to 20 years
Nov 20th 2013
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Lawd Jesus take your medicine
Nov 20th 2013
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RE: Very well-articulated reasoning, actually.
Nov 20th 2013
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      don't flatter yourself.
Nov 21st 2013
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           I'm not so sure how conceptually thoughtful it is though.
Nov 21st 2013
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           RE: I'm not so sure how conceptually thoughtful it is though.
Nov 21st 2013
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           RE: Fine:
Nov 21st 2013
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                I'm kind of with Austin on this one
Nov 21st 2013
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                So I take it you hate all videos then?
Nov 21st 2013
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                LOL!! I just made the post.
Nov 21st 2013
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                     I know, and I responded to it.
Nov 21st 2013
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                          RE: I know, and I responded to it.
Nov 21st 2013
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                               RE: I know, and I responded to it.
Nov 21st 2013
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                               I think I'm on board with you.
Nov 21st 2013
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                               RE: I know, and I responded to it.
Nov 22nd 2013
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                me too, but mostly b/c I don't give a shit about music videos
Nov 21st 2013
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                     RE: Which is my point:
Nov 21st 2013
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                          I sang it the first time I ever played a talent show. 1988, probably.
Nov 22nd 2013
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                LOL...joke of the fucking day
Nov 21st 2013
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                RE: Okay so your reading comprehension is LOW.
Nov 21st 2013
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                     Actually it's not low at all
Nov 21st 2013
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                          RE: Right.
Nov 21st 2013
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                               It's off because you think your experience is everyone else's
Nov 22nd 2013
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                                    RE: No. I never said that.
Nov 22nd 2013
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                I'm not with you for the first half of the first paragraph, BUT
Nov 21st 2013
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                I was going to just gloss over your bitch made response but
Nov 21st 2013
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                RE: And you are so immature that you can't not namecall.
Nov 22nd 2013
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                     LOL..didn't you just call me a fuck boy in another post?
Nov 22nd 2013
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                          RE: When you do it, it's okay.
Nov 22nd 2013
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                               It's always ok...i don't give a fuck...and
Nov 22nd 2013
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                RE: Fine:
Nov 22nd 2013
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                i figure the point is for us to watch the video multiple times
Nov 22nd 2013
55
please unleash some venom towards this pile of crap.
Nov 21st 2013
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the difference between the two is only the marketing budget
Nov 21st 2013
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I thought it was kind of dumb too...
Nov 21st 2013
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It defined a decade for *some* people
Nov 25th 2013
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this is amazing
Nov 21st 2013
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1. "Sickness."
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2. "I've watched it three times already on my lunch break"
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3. "yeah, it's effing great."
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4. "RE: I've not watched it, but this makes me cringe:"
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>it's got Danny Brown in
>it.

This is arguably worse than Bob going christian.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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8. "don't panic."
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5. "i came in to post it...best interactive video of all time"
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7. "Greatness"
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9. "excellent"
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10. "love it."
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Hard to know if Dylan had any real hand in it or not... but it definitely *feels* Dylan-ish in concept.

Watched it twice this morning, will probably watch at least two more times before the day is through, lol...

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11. "Watched this about 10 times now"
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Only once with one channel all they way through (The Price is Right channel). Great to have a different "experience" every time.

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12. "This joint is greatness!"
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That's a sick idea and was well executed.

  

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13. "dope "
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14. "I"m loving this I been playing with it for an hour now "
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37. "PAUSE!!"
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AYO!!

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15. "holy shit."
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this is great.

fuck you.

  

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16. "I've been telling people about this shit all day!"
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I love this shit!

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17. "RE: Also, before it was a video for two or three generations of. . ."
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. . .attention deficit nitwits, it was the song that defined an entire decade.



``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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18. "you sound old...and mad"
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hopefully, I'm just missing your sarcasm...

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20. "RE: You sound defensive and misguided."
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I mean, as long as we're psychoanalyzing each other.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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mrhood75
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19. "I'm pretty sure that's the point of the video"
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To show the breadth and depth of the songs influence and all the different lives and realms that it has effected.

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21. "RE: Except that before it was literally interactive,"
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it was metaphorically interactive. And nobody needed to be prodded to realize its significance.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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mrhood75
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24. "Bob Dylan's been doing "interactive" for close to 20 years"
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He released awfully interactive CD ROM in the mid 1990s that operated a lot like this video. It also served the same purpose: to show how his music was timeless and has spanned generations and how songs recorded 30 years ago (now close to 50) are just as relevant now as they ever were.

I'm honestly baffled at why you're so set on complaining about this. The video doesn't dilute or due apeman the song at all. It uses a different medium to showcase it.

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22. "Lawd Jesus take your medicine "
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came in here like Grandpa Simpson for no reason

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23. "RE: Very well-articulated reasoning, actually."
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That you don't agree with it isn't really my problem.


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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25. "don't flatter yourself."
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>That you don't agree with it isn't really my problem.

You haven't done *that* much to articulate your reasoning, so you really are just coming off as cranky and joyless, and what you *have* offered has not been very well-founded...
1) Yes, the song stood on its own and "defined a decade" ... it did not "need" a video. No one is saying it did.
2) The validity of point 1 does *not* mean that any reimagination or interpretation of the song is necessarily bad, does an injustice to the original, or dilutes its value in any way.

It's a fun gimmick, way cooler than anyone would have guessed it would be in theory, used to sell a new boxset. It is well-executed. It is surprisingly thoughtful conceptually, and surprisingly Dylanesque. It's not going to change the world. It might turn a few folks on to Dylan. It will probably provide a few laughs, a few mild epiphanies, and more than a few "uh"s....

What's especially funny to me is that Dylan is almost *certainly* laughing up a storm at the idea that there are silly, obnoxious purists shitting themselves over the whole thing... because you know, if there is one thing that Dylan has expressed a great deal of love for, it's the purist...

If you want to critique the video then critique it on what it is, not what it isn't.


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26. "I'm not so sure how conceptually thoughtful it is though."
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Maybe I'm missing something....I don't see how the video's concept is connected to the actual song. Then again...I also don't know what Austin means when he says the song was already 'metaphorically interactive'. Maybe there's something to the lyrics I don't understand?

I guess what I'm saying...it seems like someone had the idea for the video...but then just randomly selected a song to execute it. I don't see the connection between the medium and the message.

Like take Maxxx's reference to 'black and white'. There's a visual concept or idea there that was newish at the time....and the execution of it is directly relevant to the message of the song (we're all essentially the same blah blah blah)

  

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27. "RE: I'm not so sure how conceptually thoughtful it is though."
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I can see that as a fair criticism...

It depends on how you read the original song I guess. I've always heard its major themes as being concerned with phoniness, authenticity, and hypocrisy. I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it, but playing the video(s) through a television, and having it sung predominantly by stars who straddle the real/fake divide (as reality stars, newscasters, game show hosts, over-the-top musicians), seems to draw out the impossibility of determining the real, the authentic, the unhypocritical in the first place. (And of course, the song is written in the first-person, so you have these half-real stars essentially accusing you of being the one who was/is artificial.) But I'm probably overthinking it here.

You could go in other directions w/it, too, though...

I don't think it makes any grand statement on the song's original themes, but I don't think it's hard to connect the conceptual frame of the video with the song in at least a few meaningful ways.

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28. "RE: Fine:"
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Thu Nov-21-13 09:58 AM by Austin

  

          

>
>If you want to critique the video then critique it on what it
>is, not what it isn't.
>
>

It's an embarrassing testament to the world in which we now live that it takes something that is literally interactive for people to realize a man's genius. We have become a society that is no longer content to listen to a song and let it interact with our own minds. We need something else prodding us along and directly including us, as if just the song, and our own thoughts and feelings about the song, isn't enough.

It says a lot that there's a new video for this song and everyone seems to be all excited about it because now they get to fiddle with the song's visual accompaniment. Yes, this will probably get a few people interested in Bob for the first time, but what if it didn't have this flashy interactive video? I would be willing to wager a lot of people wouldn't care. But, now look, I'M INVOLVED.

Haven't we become narcissistic enough already?


``i know you are fake. . . 'cause man, i'm the same.``
"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
"cycles." http://bit.ly/16VHxJi
"untitled 6." http://bit.ly/19QmVPu

  

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29. "I'm kind of with Austin on this one"
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i may come back.

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30. "So I take it you hate all videos then?"
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Because the idea that "XXXX's video sucks because it's better to let the listener to come up with their own interpretation in his/her mind" has been criticism of videos since MTV was invented. Shoot, they've been making jokes about that interpretation since "Bloom County" in the mid 1980s. So to single this video out in particular for that type of indignation seems fairly silly.

And.even in this post, the people who are enjoying the video the most are long time fans of Dylan. I've been watching Dylan kill this track live since most of the people and thiso board rocking short pants and chewing on abba zappas (probably before a lot of the cats here were born) and I think it's great and creative for all the reasons I stated above.

Again, Dylan and his team isn't new to the interactive game. They've been down this road before, with success. And the most and the vision hasn't been comprised. So, really, what's the issu here?

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32. "LOL!! I just made the post."
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I'm not completely on Austin's side, but I think the greatness of the video is being grossly overstated, and the targeted nature of it is being understated. This was a viral video from conception aimed at getting people to interact with the visuals not the song. The visuals are a nice commentary of modern society but I'm not exactly sure how they tie into the song itself. The song is almost a narrative and while admittedly I haven't played with it enough to know for sure, my guess is that there isn't necessarily a narrative happening in any of them. There's a stylistic attempt to represent all of the scenes as if they were playing out in their natural environment which means nobody is acting actively engaged with the words they are mouthing, etc.

It comes off as novelty which is the viralist agenda. There's concept in it but IMO it isn't executed in a way that goes above and beyond the song on its own.


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33. "I know, and I responded to it."
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>I'm not completely on Austin's side, but I think the
>greatness of the video is being grossly overstated, and the
>targeted nature of it is being understated. This was a viral
>video from conception aimed at getting people to interact with
>the visuals not the song. The visuals are a nice commentary
>of modern society but I'm not exactly sure how they tie into
>the song itself.

And honestly, that's not really the point. It's a video for Bob Dylan's music, not **that*** particular song. And I'm fine with that. They could have done this exact same video for "Mr. Tamborine Man" or "It Ain't Me, Babe", and I would have reacted the same. Because, again, the point of the video is that Dylan's music is timeless and relevant no matter what setting you view it in. So buy the Box Set.

The song is almost a narrative and while
>admittedly I haven't played with it enough to know for sure,
>my guess is that there isn't necessarily a narrative happening
>in any of them. There's a stylistic attempt to represent all
>of the scenes as if they were playing out in their natural
>environment which means nobody is acting actively engaged with
>the words they are mouthing, etc.

LOL. I love "Like a Rolling Stone" more than 99.5% of all recorded music, but it's not a song that requires a narrative story. The message is essentially, "You think you're all that, but you're not." God knows their have been videos for this song that have tried to capture the "narrative" of they've sucked. See: The Rolling Stones video for their cover of this song. This is version is far, FAR superior.

>It comes off as novelty which is the viralist agenda. There's
>concept in it but IMO it isn't executed in a way that goes
>above and beyond the song on its own.

I don't even know what "viralist agenda" means. It's a video that's being used to help sell a box set, like all videos are used to try to sell albums.

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34. "RE: I know, and I responded to it."
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>And honestly, that's not really the point. It's a video for
>Bob Dylan's music, not **that*** particular song. And I'm fine
>with that. They could have done this exact same video for "Mr.
>Tamborine Man" or "It Ain't Me, Babe", and I would have
>reacted the same.

Good that it's not a problem for you, but it is one for me. The interchangablity of the song treats it like it's disposable IMO.

>Because, again, the point of the video is
>that Dylan's music is timeless and relevant no matter what
>setting you view it in. So buy the Box Set.

I didn't get that at all. Well buy the boxset sure. But relevant no matter what setting? Nah... didn't get that at all. More like it was irrelevant in all of the settings, evident by the fact it could have been replaced with another song in all of them to the same effect.

>LOL. I love "Like a Rolling Stone" more than 99.5% of all
>recorded music, but it's not a song that requires a narrative
>story. The message is essentially, "You think you're all that,
>but you're not." God knows their have been videos for this
>song that have tried to capture the "narrative" of they've
>sucked. See: The Rolling Stones video for their cover of this
>song. This is version is far, FAR superior.

It didn't have to be narrative, but it didn't even touch on your take of the message. It doesn't touch on anything except playing on our addiction to TV. Sure there can be a round about line drawn there, but again replace it with another song and it still works so that wasn't the point.

>I don't even know what "viralist agenda" means. It's a video
>that's being used to help sell a box set, like all videos are
>used to try to sell albums.

Sorry I work in the field, where we pitch this type of schwag all the time. Viralist agenda meaning the whole point of it is to create a novelty factor that doesn't just make people want to watch but engage and share, then attach a brand to it. It is quite often off brand so as not to distract the user with the messaging heavy handed but at the end of the day the brand is pretty clear and they are associated with the cleverness of it all. Dylan is the brand here. No different than if its Domino's Pizza.

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35. "RE: I know, and I responded to it."
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>Good that it's not a problem for you, but it is one for me.
>The interchangablity of the song treats it like it's
>disposable IMO.

Again, I think of it as target to whole of Dylan's music, than one particular song. This just happens to be his most "iconic" song.

>I didn't get that at all. Well buy the boxset sure. But
>relevant no matter what setting? Nah... didn't get that at
>all. More like it was irrelevant in all of the settings,
>evident by the fact it could have been replaced with another
>song in all of them to the same effect.

See above.


>It didn't have to be narrative, but it didn't even touch on
>your take of the message. It doesn't touch on anything except
>playing on our addiction to TV. Sure there can be a round
>about line drawn there, but again replace it with another song
>and it still works so that wasn't the point.

I think the message in the juxtaposition of the videos plays very well into what a lot of Dylan's music has been about. Like, if you watch the stand-in BBC channel, it's all about how Occupy is back, there's rioting in the streets, there's a crisis with the Affordable Healthcare Act, someone get stabbed in Chelsea, and there's a massive hurricane forming off the East Coast. That plays against watching a goofy light-weight romantic comedy and a stupid Bachelor-esque show. Even contrasting a very young Bob Dylan doing a very angry performance of this song with Danny Brown's happy-go-lucky interpretation of it goes hand-in-hand with Dylan's overall message.


>Sorry I work in the field, where we pitch this type of schwag
>all the time. Viralist agenda meaning the whole point of it
>is to create a novelty factor that doesn't just make people
>want to watch but engage and share, then attach a brand to it.
> It is quite often off brand so as not to distract the user
>with the messaging heavy handed but at the end of the day the
>brand is pretty clear and they are associated with the
>cleverness of it all. Dylan is the brand here. No different
>than if its Domino's Pizza.

Well, they're trying to sell a box set. And honestly, this video seems pretty on-brand for Dylan. His whole brand isn't that he doesn't have a brand. Or at least that he's not the brand you're looking for, babe.

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42. "I think I'm on board with you."
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Thu Nov-21-13 03:01 PM by denny

          

It's the fact that the song could be interchangeable. That makes the concept disposable. Agreed.

And it's a shame because it's really easy to think of a song that would give the concept a deeper meaning. For example....the first alternative that comes to mind is imagine if they used the same concept for digital underground's 'All around the world the same song'. Bam. It would make my appreciation for the video increase tenfold.

It'd actually be a pretty interesting thread to brainstorm a list of songs that would've worked alot better for this concept. Cause it is a great concept.

  

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54. "RE: I know, and I responded to it."
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>Good that it's not a problem for you, but it is one for me.
>The interchangablity of the song treats it like it's
>disposable IMO.

I'm not sure that I agree with the idea that this could have been done with any song. I'm still chewing on it, but see my initial thoughts on the concept above. I actually think there's a lot more going on here than we're giving it credit for... not to say it's a grand philosophical statement or anything, but it certainly ties into key themes of the track.

>Sorry I work in the field, where we pitch this type of schwag
>all the time. Viralist agenda meaning the whole point of it
>is to create a novelty factor that doesn't just make people
>want to watch but engage and share, then attach a brand to it.
> It is quite often off brand so as not to distract the user
>with the messaging heavy handed but at the end of the day the
>brand is pretty clear and they are associated with the
>cleverness of it all. Dylan is the brand here. No different
>than if its Domino's Pizza.

This is really my only problem with the video, its obvious viral bait/novelty factor. And I can def understand folks' annoyance with it in that sense. It really doesn't detract from the fact that it's still a pretty cool piece.

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31. "me too, but mostly b/c I don't give a shit about music videos"
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and secondarily b/c I had no idea who most of those people were and didn't care.

I'd rather sing the song myself.

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44. "RE: Which is my point:"
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>
>I'd rather sing the song myself.
>
>

This should be enough for a song with the emotional weight and resonance that 'Like A Rolling Stone' has.

Step away from your computer screen and play it fucking loud.


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56. "I sang it the first time I ever played a talent show. 1988, probably."
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40. "LOL...joke of the fucking day"
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>>
>>If you want to critique the video then critique it on what
>it
>>is, not what it isn't.
>>
>>
>
>It's an embarrassing testament to the world in which we now
>live that it takes something that is literally interactive for
>people to realize a man's genius. We have become a society
>that is no longer content to listen to a song and let it
>interact with our own minds. We need something else prodding
>us along and directly including us, as if just the song, and
>our own thoughts and feelings about the song, isn't enough.
>
>It says a lot that there's a new video for this song and
>everyone seems to be all excited about it because now they get
>to fiddle with the song's visual accompaniment. Yes, this
>will probably get a few people interested in Bob for the first
>time, but what if it didn't have this flashy interactive
>video? I would be willing to wager a lot of people wouldn't
>care. But, now look, I'M INVOLVED.
>

You typed all this bullshit...

>Haven't we become narcissistic enough already?
>

To close with that?

That is comedic fucking gold right there son

  

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43. "RE: Okay so your reading comprehension is LOW."
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And to answer the question above, no, generally speaking, I'm not a fan of music videos.


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"new strings." http://bit.ly/17C7zyt
"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
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45. "Actually it's not low at all"
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Your evaluation of this video is so far off its hilarious.

But feel free to be miserable about it.

  

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47. "RE: Right."
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My own personal evaluation is off.

Because you experience my own personal reactions as if they are your own.

My bad. Your reading comprehension is top notch. Also: I'm just that articulate. My writing is pretty immaculate, isn't it? Thanks for the compliment.

Coming soon: more nonsense.


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"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
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49. "It's off because you think your experience is everyone else's "
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Are you really this dumb?

  

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50. "RE: No. I never said that."
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If you think I'm really that important, that's cool.

I simply lamented the fact that everyone DOES think they ARE that important.


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"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
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46. "I'm not with you for the first half of the first paragraph, BUT"
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i stand with you on the rest

  

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48. "I was going to just gloss over your bitch made response but"
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Thu Nov-21-13 11:59 PM by Anonymous

  

          

>>
>>If you want to critique the video then critique it on what
>it
>>is, not what it isn't.
>>
>>
>
>It's an embarrassing testament to the world in which we now
>live that it takes something that is literally interactive for
>people to realize a man's genius. We have become a society
>that is no longer content to listen to a song and let it
>interact with our own minds. We need something else prodding
>us along and directly including us, as if just the song, and
>our own thoughts and feelings about the song, isn't enough.
>

Your viewpoint is both self-absorbed and short-sighted. You're assuming people need this video to appreciate the song. Truth is, the people appreciating this video, people like myself, have been listening to Dylan long before this came out. Dylan has a pretty polarizing voice so I don't think anyone is becoming a fan off of this video. You're so wrapped up into your psychoanalysis of how this video relates to the modern music fan that you're completing missing the point of why people are appreciating the video. People, like myself, appreciate more art than just the actual music. We appreciate movies, videos, plays, poetry, dancing, painting, graphic design and on and on. The reason people are raving about this video has little to do with Bob Dylan but you're so concerned with being a purist snob that you can't separate the two and have a misguided need to validate your musical opinion. This video could've been made by anyone for any song and it would've gotten the same reaction from me. It's a great piece of art. A lot went into making this video and it was well executed. That's why I appreciate it.

>It says a lot that there's a new video for this song and
>everyone seems to be all excited about it because now they get
>to fiddle with the song's visual accompaniment. Yes, this
>will probably get a few people interested in Bob for the first
>time, but what if it didn't have this flashy interactive
>video? I would be willing to wager a lot of people wouldn't
>care. But, now look, I'M INVOLVED.
>

How you can't read that paragraph back and not understand why people think your full of yourself is beyond me. First, you're attempting to undermine people who get into this song through the video as if they're not as good as the oh holy Austin who can see the interactive video just by listening to the music. Man, we should all be so great. Second, again, you're assuming why people like this video as if their appreciation of the video is directly to related to Dylan. And I mean, how dare someone appreciate a well executed video and interactive piece and not give a fuck about the music? Did you ever think there may be people, like programmers, who might not be as in to music as you or I that like this piece for other reasons?

>Haven't we become narcissistic enough already?
>

Yea...that's still my favorite line of your ignorant ass piece of shit post.

  

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51. "RE: And you are so immature that you can't not namecall."
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I did not read much of what you said. But your need to namecall and generally act about 5-7 years below your actual age seems to just prove my point because you love this video, right?

It's okay. I'll wait while you check your smartphone.


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"unspecified psychosis." http://bit.ly/HgJRBl
"the real ernesto." http://bit.ly/1dNHCk5
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52. "LOL..didn't you just call me a fuck boy in another post?"
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>I did not read much of what you said. But your need to
>namecall and generally act about 5-7 years below your actual
>age seems to just prove my point because you love this video,
>right?
>

The only thing proven here is that you have nothing else to say after my point and turned into a hypocrite.

>It's okay. I'll wait while you check your smartphone.
>

Ok

  

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57. "RE: When you do it, it's okay."
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When I do it, jokingly, in pseudo-retaliation, it's hypocritical.

Stop following me around. You're making yourself look foolish and driving actual discussion away from the board.



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58. "It's always ok...i don't give a fuck...and"
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I see you're still avoiding all of the points I brought up.

*waits for another response about nothing*

  

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53. "RE: Fine:"
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>It's an embarrassing testament to the world in which we now
>live that it takes something that is literally interactive for
>people to realize a man's genius. We have become a society
>that is no longer content to listen to a song and let it
>interact with our own minds. We need something else prodding
>us along and directly including us, as if just the song, and
>our own thoughts and feelings about the song, isn't enough.

Part of me is sympathetic with this argument, and part of me thinks it's kind of bullshit. No one has said that this made the original song *better* ... it's not Episode IV or a shitty rewrite of a classic novel that threatens the value of the original. It's an engaging, thoughtful video for a classic song being used primarily as a marketing piece for the artist's own work. I don't think your concerns are wrong or misplaced, but I do wonder why you've decided that *this* example is so terrible, so horrible, that anyone who enjoys it must be a nitwit.

>It says a lot that there's a new video for this song and
>everyone seems to be all excited about it because now they get
>to fiddle with the song's visual accompaniment. Yes, this
>will probably get a few people interested in Bob for the first
>time, but what if it didn't have this flashy interactive
>video? I would be willing to wager a lot of people wouldn't
>care. But, now look, I'M INVOLVED.
>
>Haven't we become narcissistic enough already?

I think you're overreaching. I don't think the *interactive* aspect is its selling point; it's interesting because of the possibilities and element of curiosity that the interactivity opens up. The role of the viewer is pretty minimal.

But whatever, I get what you're saying. I just question the impulse to piss on everyone else's enjoyment in order to stage a protest.

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55. "i figure the point is for us to watch the video multiple times"
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each time hearing the song. hearing that song over and over is probably supposed to push us toward buying at least the song, if not one of several albums/compilations on which it appears.

but that's pretty surface level thinking.

fuck you.

  

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36. "please unleash some venom towards this pile of crap."
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have you guys seen the "official" video for Sly & The Family Stone's "Everyday People"? came out to complement the box set. it's no compliment. SMMFH.

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38. "the difference between the two is only the marketing budget"
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song for song they are just as important, and yet visually one towers over the other.

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39. "I thought it was kind of dumb too..."
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59. "It defined a decade for *some* people"
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There were a lot of people alive on Earth when this song was released and it didn't define the decade for all of them. People get way too caught up on overstating the impact of popular music. The world is one hell of a big place and ten years is a long time for any one song to define.

Dylan was a good songwriter that had a big impact on his genre. Keep it there.
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