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Tiger Woods
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"Woa, Jay-Z's "The Black Album" turns 10 today."


  

          

Interlude (Just Blaze)
December 4th (Just Blaze)
What More Can I Say (who are The Buchanans?)
Encore (Kanye West)
Change Clothes (Neptunes)
Threat (9th Wonder)
Moment of Clarity (Eminem)
99 Problems (Rick Rubin)
PSA (Just Blaze)
Justify My Thug (DJ Quik)
Lucifer (Kanye West)
Allure (Neptunes)
My 1st Song (Aqua)


there's debate over Hov's best album, but I don't think there's debate over the quality of the album's highlights - namely 99 Problems, Lucifer, Encore, PSA...this late in his career Jay proved he was still more than capable of making ANTHEMS. It should come as no surprise that so much of this album's content still makes up your typical Jay-Z concert.

Ironically, what was intended to be a swan song exit proved to be his watershed crossover album. The buildup of it, the overwhelming critical acclaim, the documentary! Man this was a fun time.

I had just gotten my first car-a 97 Chevy Blazer. It was a terrible ride but it had a CD player man. This, Speakerbox, College Dropout. That was an entire 6 months practically, from Fall of 03 through Summer of 04. And it wasn't just me that was affected by this record in a major way. I'd been on Jay since Vol.2 like many, but suddenly the ecstasy loving hippies in my AP English class were quoting "99 Problems" casually. I know many whose first real introduction to rap was The Black Album. It served as a gateway for a lot of people.

Where do you have it ranked in his discog? How did you react to it? What's the album's legacy a decade removed from its release?

  

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album is kinda overrated
Nov 14th 2013
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RE: album is kinda overrated
Nov 14th 2013
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Threat was fucking great, those other two were weak tho
Nov 14th 2013
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The real reason it was classic was the Remix albums
Nov 14th 2013
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somewhere at my parent's house is a hard copy of the Grey Album
Nov 14th 2013
3
Kno's version was dope as hell
Nov 14th 2013
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kev brown!
Nov 14th 2013
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RE: The real reason it was classic was the Remix albums
Nov 14th 2013
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i dont remember the rest, but 9th December 4th sampling the ATLiens Intr...
Nov 14th 2013
31
      Kev's was better tho
Nov 15th 2013
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over hyped album with some strong tracks
Nov 14th 2013
4
American Gangster was better
Nov 14th 2013
5
i agree with this
Nov 14th 2013
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RE: American Gangster was better
Nov 14th 2013
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agreed, bizarre how underrated that album is.
Nov 14th 2013
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yes that's his 3rd best album..his last classic
Nov 14th 2013
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i like the fela kuti mashup version of american gangster better
Nov 14th 2013
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yep
Nov 14th 2013
21
It was my first Jay-Z album
Nov 14th 2013
7
It's a good album. Very good even
Nov 14th 2013
9
i'm on the bad side of 25.
Nov 14th 2013
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What If Jay Z Had Stayed Retired After Releasing The Black Album?
Nov 14th 2013
14
Then we get no American Gangster or Watch the Throne
Nov 14th 2013
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pretty much, I don't know why folks like he out here Ice Cube-ing it
Nov 14th 2013
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yea AG is a materpiece..his 3rd best
Nov 14th 2013
18
or Magna Carta
Nov 14th 2013
25
Good article until the Beyonce part, IMO. But he might be right
Nov 14th 2013
32
stayed retired? the nigga never did it in the first place
Nov 16th 2013
37
My 2nd favorite Jay album besides The Blueprint
Nov 14th 2013
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I need to watch Fade to Black tonight
Nov 14th 2013
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9th Wonder's version is superior to me.
Nov 14th 2013
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pretty much
Nov 15th 2013
36
Still remember the original ad
Nov 14th 2013
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Fixed the order for you
Nov 14th 2013
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Just Blaze's Allure remix was so dope
Nov 14th 2013
33
found the ad:
Nov 17th 2013
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      I remember this shit.
Nov 17th 2013
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RE: Woa, Jay-Z's "The Black Album" turns 10 today.
Nov 14th 2013
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it's an irritating album to listen to in straight through
Nov 15th 2013
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the Change Clothes hate in here is weird
Nov 17th 2013
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nah I never hear that in a set when I go out
Nov 17th 2013
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      i rarely hear any of those songs in 2013.....
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           Yep. I agree here.
Nov 17th 2013
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           I mean of course not I was saying when a Dj do throw a track from
Nov 17th 2013
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The Fade to Black version of PSA...
Nov 17th 2013
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1. "album is kinda overrated"
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The highs were high as hell though. "Threat" was nothing special though it was good to see 9th get that mainstream paper. "Moment of Clarity" was produced by Em, nuff said and "Justify My Thug" was just boring. Some of the singles weren't great either but they worked. RD and The Blueprint are easily Hov's best albums.

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10. "RE: album is kinda overrated"
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What you said

  

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16. "Threat was fucking great, those other two were weak tho"
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Change Clothes sucked too.

  

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2. "The real reason it was classic was the Remix albums"
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That shit started Dangermouse carrer..Kno killed one..9th was okay. IT was so many I made a cd with each song from a different remix album.

What's yall favorite black album remix album?

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3. "somewhere at my parent's house is a hard copy of the Grey Album"
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I bought it from Dangermouse's site. I played the hell out of it and played his "Guitar Gently Weeps/What More..." remix more than I played the original.

  

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22. "Kno's version was dope as hell"
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def better than OG

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27. "kev brown!"
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30. "RE: The real reason it was classic was the Remix albums"
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didn't hear that many remix albums but I liked the 9th remix album.

  

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31. "i dont remember the rest, but 9th December 4th sampling the ATLiens Intr..."
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was the GOAT

and yeah, Kno's version was great

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34. "Kev's was better tho"
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that Taxi sounding samp was perfect for that song
the 9th song is dope but mostly gets attention for the samp

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4. "over hyped album with some strong tracks"
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dj quik must be embarrassed for that garbage jay-z talked him into.

  

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5. "American Gangster was better"
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6. "i agree with this"
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8. "RE: American Gangster was better"
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yupp this is my favorite Jay-Z album.

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11. "agreed, bizarre how underrated that album is."
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12. "yes that's his 3rd best album..his last classic"
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19. "i like the fela kuti mashup version of american gangster better"
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21. "yep"
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black album still good though

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7. "It was my first Jay-Z album"
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I got it for Christmas when I was 14. I had been a semi JayZ fan up until then. For some reason, every time I almost bought Blueprint, I ended up getting something else (one notable memory, the time I chose Ja Rule's Pain is Love over the Blueprint, as a 12 year old,not a good look).

This was also the album that I got my classic-rock only friends into hip hop a little. It reminds me a lot of my 8th grade year. Most of it holds up today (I like Threat and Moment of Clarity, even though I fully acknowledge the wackness of their beats, but Justify My Thug was awful even back then).

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9. "It's a good album. Very good even"
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Though it's not as good as either Blueprint or American Gangster, it's still something that Jay can be proud.

The good:
Lucifer
PSA
99 Problems
Dirt Off Your Shoulder (one of the best "mainstream" Jay tracks ever)
What More Can I Say?
Dec. 4th
Allure
Encore

The okay:
Threat
My First Song
Moment of Clarity

The bad:
Justify My Thug (one of the worst Jay tracks ever)
Change Clothes

And even on the mediocre/bad songs, Jay is impeccable lyrically.

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13. "i'm on the bad side of 25."
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14. "What If Jay Z Had Stayed Retired After Releasing The Black Album?"
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/92570/10-years-later-what-if-jay-z-had-stayed-retired-after-releasing-the-black-album

  

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15. "Then we get no American Gangster or Watch the Throne"
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I enjoyed both albums.

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17. "pretty much, I don't know why folks like he out here Ice Cube-ing it"
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or Willie Mays-ing in the outfield.

  

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18. "yea AG is a materpiece..his 3rd best"
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25. "or Magna Carta"
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37. "stayed retired? the nigga never did it in the first place"
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there was never any intent on him stopping rapping, but even if it were I still think he'd have married her anyhow

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20. "My 2nd favorite Jay album besides The Blueprint"
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Loved this album when it dropped, but I think it suffers in that it really isn't a "retirement" album any more. Had he stayed retired, I think this would be more heavily considered a "classic" among the hip hop circle. With the exception of Premier, all his best collaborators (production-wise) are present (Kanye, Just, Timbo, Pharrell) with the exception of Bink. I still enjoy this album as much as I did a decade ago.

"Dirt of Your Shoulder", "Public Service Announcement", "99 Problems", "What More Can I Say", "Encore" and "Lucifer" are some of my favorite Jay songs, period. People bitch about the Eminem beat, but I still love "What More Can I Say". "December 4th" and "Allure" are great in my books. "Threat" and "Change Clothes" are OK. The only song I really ever skip is "Justify My Thug"

I've never watched the documentary as a whole, I've only watched the "making of" segments, but those are all filthy. Especially love when he's skipping over Timbo beats we'd later here other rappers on.

In the end I'm glad he came back because it gave us American Gangster and WTT, and TBH I think Kingdom Come is a very underrated album, but other than that, I really could do without the rest (BP3, WTT). I would hold Jay's catalog in a higher regard if I took away all of his post-Black Album work.

Great album though. A personal classic. Can't believe it's been 10 years.

  

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23. "I need to watch Fade to Black tonight"
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24. "9th Wonder's version is superior to me."
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I didn't even fux with Justify My Thug until I heard 9th kill it

It became my favorite song on the album...I know it sounds stupid because I like lyrics but I was not fuxin with Quik's beat to the point where I wasn't even hearing the lyrics foreal until 9th smashed it like a goomba

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36. "pretty much"
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26. "Still remember the original ad"
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12 tracks with 12 different producers I think? Was pretty happy Swizz didn't make the cut. From 98-03, Hov was BY FAR my favourite rapper, so even after the somewhat disappointing BP2, I was really anticipating this album.

Just Blaze & Kanye were my favourite producers at the time, and they did not disappoint here. I loved Intro/Dec 4th and Encore. I remember when PSA first leaked and The Lesson went nuts. My First Song was a great closer, too bad Aqua's career didn't take off, he had a great song on The B. Coming as well.

My least fav songs are pretty much the same as most people's (Moment of Clarity & Justify My Thug). Threat was a bit meh to me as well.

I might rank this #3 in his discog:

1. The Blueprint
2. Reasonable Doubt
3. The Black Album
4. American Gangster
5. Vol. 3

Might need to rewatch Fade To Black as well. Loved the behind the scenes footage with Pharrell & Kanye.

Also need to dig up this mixtape:

http://www.kevinnottingham.com/2009/09/03/jay-z-s-carter-the-re-mix/

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29. "Fixed the order for you"
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>1. Reasonable Doubt
>2. Blueprint
>3. Vol 1
>4. American Gangster
>5. The Black Album
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33. "Just Blaze's Allure remix was so dope"
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The new third verse on there was dope too
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>http://www.kevinnottingham.com/2009/09/03/jay-z-s-carter-the-re-mix/

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http://dannyswain.tumblr.com/post/10730572800/

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43. "I remember this shit."
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Was so excited.

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venom36200
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28. "RE: Woa, Jay-Z's "The Black Album" turns 10 today."
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from day one I was impressed with it. Top 3 Jay-Z for me along with Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint. The only skippable tracks are Change Clothes and Justify My Thug.

  

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35. "it's an irritating album to listen to in straight through"
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because every other song ends up being subpar almost, it takes me out of the experience because it's so jarring

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southphillyman
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38. "the Change Clothes hate in here is weird"
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that was just as much an anthem as the other hits off that album

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40. "nah I never hear that in a set when I go out"
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youll hear 99 problems, dirt off and you def hear the first verse of PSA.

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southphillyman
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41. "i rarely hear any of those songs in 2013....."
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but ok.
when the album dropped that chorus BUNG
the lyrics on that aren't bad either
never mind the fact it had yall rocking button ups
"ha hiiiiiiiii"
http://youtu.be/j6G1uwe20wg

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42. "Yep. I agree here."
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45. "I mean of course not I was saying when a Dj do throw a track from"
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the album..its PSA which get the best response..I aint heard Change clothes since it came out..Its not bad I think folks initally hated it so much cause this was supppused to be his underground street album but he came with this B4 the album and folks was mad

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44. "The Fade to Black version of PSA..."
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Shit is electric. I don't like attention, and would probably shit my pants if I had to perform in front of people, but I'd rock the shit outta that song.

I'd love for Hov/somebody to re-release FTB on blu-ray.

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