first album was bloated, so a double disc is definitely the answer right?

lets listen...

<--- Big Baller World Order

considering everything that's dropped so far has been filler... *sigh* I'm about to listen though.

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did she just...

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There isn't really a single 'hit' on this album, but the album is a hit. Still a bit bloated. The skits are unnecessary, but I understand. I think again if she wasn't always beating the concept into it and just let the songs ride the concept would speak for itself.

Musically there's some beautiful stuff on here. She makes beautiful some beautiful music. Has an amazing vision. If you're into that type of thing from an artist its worth it. If you're looking for musical fast food you probably think this one sucks.

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without memorable individual songs.

It flows pretty well. It is long though and the interludes make it out to be more than it needs to. I agree that the songs aren't memorable, but I think toned down to maybe 12 tracks the sum of the parts would show it's strong.

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Aimless genre hopping... Whew. Why do you even comment? I guess sounding ignorant is too easy to pass up. But just for the sake of it... How can you determine for someone else what their aim was as they "genre hopped"

you overly literate, smart-dumb beat patrolman.

now if you want me to start quoting specifics inside songs about where I hear the direct 'I Can't Help It' bass line lifted, the melody of 'Pure Imagination' Willy Wonka, James Bond, Saddiq-fake-50's-rock, the microwave Alicia-sounding Miguel joint, etc.

I mean, I could get into all that but it would require me having to go back to listen again in order to remember today & I'm not really in the mood to do that right this minute.

I can only say not much on this record sticks to my ribs on the first few run-thrus but It's Code is a nice little groove & "Ghetto Woman" conveys some emotion.

I like the build/rap-coda at the end.

songs. I'm not sure where you get aimless from... maybe it's a personal
thing where you don't like to hear different genres on an album? Or
you just... don't like her? Who knows. To eachizown tho. All I know
is that these songs stay with me.

I'm actually very happy with their inclusion. The listening experience
of the album is nothing short of awesome.

The ONLY thing I don't like about the album is the placement of the
song "Primetime". Coming after that interlude, it kinda causes a
small (yet temporary) dip in the energy of the album. It's like even
though I like the song, I don't wanna hear it in that spot within the
flow of the album. Thankfully, it pick ups and the energy flows well
everywhere else.

This album really does get better and better the more I play it...
always a different song stuck in my head for the day.

the whole star power intro, even if the songs are cool don't seem to be a natural par of the album except maybe QUEEN. Like that specific interlude before the Miguel song has absolutely nothing to do with Primetime, and if I recall correctly it almost seems like it should go into a more danceable track because the announcer guy is talking about androids dancing.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

talking about bustin' somebody in the head at the jam tonight, lol.
So, logically, I get why "Primetime" comes next... it just didn't flow
too well sonically imo.

I think the solution there would have been to have a quiet storm kind
of interlude preceding it, with mellow music in the background and the
DJ speaking in his quiet storm voice... would have been a much smoother
transition that way.

Interesting thoughts on the first half. I can see why you'd say that as
far as the story is concerned from previous chapters, however, the
first half is the party from what I can tell. We have a DJ throughout
and the first 6 songs have something to do with dancing. Perhaps
that's her giving the people "what they love"? Not really sure, but
I love the stretch of the first 3 songs. "Givin' Em What They Love" is
just too fire, and flows perfectly into "Q.U.E.E.N." and "Electric Lady".
I like Primetime alot too, just not the transition into it.
I couldn't believe I was singing "Dance Apocalyptic" at work the
other day lol. She really needed a different video for that song.
Something more stripped down.

"Dance Apocalyptic"

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I agree....It's a good release...More importantly it's a lot more focused....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>
>
>I agree....It's a good release...More importantly it's a lot
>more focused....

I don't blame her for that though, because i think it's 'authentic'

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concentrate on songs & still found it coming up more style than substance again.

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I don't think I like it as much as Archandroid.

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i liked the overall feel/theme of archandroid but, this
seems to be more cohesive and has better mainstream
songs.


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It's still all over the place but the songs are better.

I wish she would ditch the interludes and get down to like 12 songs, but it just isn't in her.

<--- Big Baller World Order

Archandroid kills this. This album (first listen my opinion my change) is super tame in comparison. Archandroid had a very consistent out of this world vibe. I wouldn't say this one isn't cohesive but I was a little bored by it. I may just be adjusting to the new sound but Archandroid hit me instantly.

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They're not comparable... both lovely in their respective places.

I know some of y'all be finding early leaks. Heard any of the tracks listed below?

20. "Q.U.E.E.N." (Wondamix) (featuring Erykah Badu)
21. "Electric Lady" (Dungeon-Wondamix) (featuring Big Boi and Cee-Lo Green)
22. "HYTB"
23. "I Want You Back" (Jackson 5 cover)

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V sounds like her Lauryn tribute just like Neon Valley did on her debut.

Victory=Lauryn
It's Code=J5 era MJ
Primetime=Prince
Dance Apocalyptic=OutKast
Ghetto Woman=Stevie Wonder

Janelle wears her influences on her sleeve but damn, if anyone can make derivative sound oh so good, it's her.

The only thing that kept it from being flawless was Miss The Bus, which is a hell of an accomplishment for it being a debut.

I stand by my trash statement and of course am cool with you not agreeing with me, just wanted to add some background in case anyone thinks its a "You just don't like/know/understand Janelle" thing.

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I love it.

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Seeing people say it's better than ArchAndroid is hard to believe...if she got one song fucking with "Neon Valley Street" then I'm good!

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Listened twice last night - will def purchase

It really is a lot like her first album in both its strengths and weaknesses:
- The first half is almost untouchable. I don't know wtf folks are talking about, saying there aren't any memorable songs. There's a bunch of them - clean your ears.

- Stuff starts to go awry in the middle, mainly because the songs start to wander a bit too much. Can't remember which track it was (Look Into My Eyes or It's Code) that seemed very aimless, melodically. This was one of the problems w/Archandroid - sequencing, and a bit too much filler that made the album a touch too long. So that's still an issue.

- BUT some great tracks to close with: loved Dorothy Dandridge Eyes, Can't Live, and Victory. Ghetto Woman is an obvious but still dope SW take (but she did the SW tribute on the last record with Faster, didn't she?) ...

Which brings up the final issue: a lot of this feels like she's covering the same territory as archandroid, stylistically. There's not a lot of change here. That's not a bad thing - it's still a very solid album, something that will definitely get a lot of play from me in the coming weeks. But this essentially feels like Archandroid pt. 2 - a few changeups here and there, but nothing esp. surprising.

Seriously though - folks who are calling the album trash should take a few more listens. There's nothing terrible about this album at all, it just doesn't quite meet the expectations that those of us who are rooting for her built around it...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>Which brings up the final issue: a lot of this feels like
>she's covering the same territory as archandroid,
>stylistically. There's not a lot of change here.

>That's not a
>bad thing -

It kind of is though. Especially wrapped up in the 'concept'. The music on it is spectacular, and I would say despite Archandroid having the stronger 'hits' this one is better composed. But ultimately after three years, while I appreciate the refinement there's a desire that she go somewhere with it. I mean even the whole story line is seemingly in the exact same place.

> But
>this essentially feels like Archandroid pt. 2 - a few
>changeups here and there, but nothing esp. surprising.

I'd even call it the bonus DVD ore than a part 2.

>Seriously though - folks who are calling the album trash
>should take a few more listens. There's nothing terrible about
>this album at all, it just doesn't quite meet the expectations
>that those of us who are rooting for her built around it...

I think that's enough for some to call it trash, and I can't really say that I blame them even if I do enjoy it.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>>Which brings up the final issue: a lot of this feels like
>>she's covering the same territory as archandroid,
>>stylistically. There's not a lot of change here.
>
>>That's not a
>>bad thing -
>
>It kind of is though. Especially wrapped up in the 'concept'.
> The music on it is spectacular, and I would say despite
>Archandroid having the stronger 'hits' this one is better
>composed. But ultimately after three years, while I
>appreciate the refinement there's a desire that she go
>somewhere with it. I mean even the whole story line is
>seemingly in the exact same place.

I definitely get that, and I'd like her to find a new creative path in that sense, too.

>I think that's enough for some to call it trash, and I can't
>really say that I blame them even if I do enjoy it.

There's a difference b/w being stuck and making good music, and being stuck and making bad music. I don't get the impression that she phoned it in; there's an attention to detail on the record and a vibe on the record that gives it a more realistic feel, something warmer. And there's some really good writing on the album, a lot of the music feels tighter and more fully realized. I'm anxious to see the actual liner notes to see who was responsible for what...

My not-so-secret hope is that she moves outside of her current production circle for the next one - I think that might be anchoring her creatively, when some full collaborations outside of that clique could shake her imagination a bit.

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

with this. it's kinda.....boring. there is nothing new or exciting
about this release and it's not nearly as creative as archandroid.
sounds kinda alt/popish with not much edge. hopefully she can jazz
it up in a live setting.

btw, i listened to it in it's entirety yesterday and in the car this
morning and my opinion has not changed.

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n/m

But I still slightly love ArchAndroid more tho. This woman is a damn Goddess.

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imo..

Archandroid was full of potential.. we knew the voice, musicianship, performance, artsy ideas etc.. were there..

BUT like maxx says .. "no money tracks".. on that album or this album (though I'd kill for tight rope and a few others off arch)

She needs a lot of things... numero uno.. a great songwriter.. numero two.. become a human again...

On this album she is out shined by every guest because u believe them.. I don't believe her..

Just like her crawl in that video.. how do u have a tight body.. awesome face and such an asexual crawl in a video?

Maybe she really is an android.. lol

Whatever it is.. she needs to really find some humanity and good songwriting if she's ever gonna be more than press fodder and face model..

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I feel like this album is her trying to address peoples criticisms of her and it isn't working as well as the previous album. So possibly for her career she should take your advise but for my eyes enjoyment I lobe the android vibe and the more she goes with that the more I like it. Archandroid is my favorite non hip hop music like ever.

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>Just like her crawl in that video.. how do u have a tight
>body.. awesome face and such an asexual crawl in a video?

This is the sort of thing that makes me cringe - does no one understand that she's intentionally working to subvert the male gaze through her act? It's part of what makes her approach so powerful and probably why she's sticking with it, because every demand for her to stop dressing in tuxedos and to become more feminine is an affirmation that there's something to be addressed there...

Do we make the same demands of a male performer?

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

"She's too cute for that."

I mean everyone keeps asking why won't you just be a normal sexpot since you're cut out for it. So she spends another whole album telling them why, but because she didn't become one to tell them, they don't pay attention. Such a hard line to walk.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

btw I dont need her nor want her to be a sexpot.

That's not what she is and she couldn't pull it off anyway..

I just want the "idea" to match the "output"

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And that quote from you would be whatever if it weren't also the crux of your argument. Because all that you're focused on is how she could be sold right and the selling of her right is all about image. You say she needs 'money songs' but you and I both know that has more to do with image than the actual songs anyway. Money songs are the songs that are going to sell the artists image. But you don't like her image and as such there can be no money songs selling that image. This despite the fact that there are a few stand outs on here that do well at selling the image "We Were Rock Stars" for one. That's not the type of songs you mean though. You mean songs like x, y, z artists... and she's not one of those. She won't become one. And so now's the time folk that want that from her need to just write her off so maybe she can stop walking this line where she's trying to please them and go all into who she really wants to be. Will it sell? Not my concern at all.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>And that quote from you would be whatever if it weren't also
>the crux of your argument. Because all that you're focused on
>is how she could be sold right and the selling of her right is
>all about image.

NO... She did a better job of 'selling' her image the first time around. I know she's cute.. SHE know's she's cute. She didn't want that to affect the art so out comes the tuxedo.

I thought it was a brilliant fucking idea.

BUT. just like DAFT PUNK if you are gonna go left. Shit better work. She tried to advance her visual this go round. I didn't mind it. BUT there is something very unnatural about it. Not just the "crawl" her actual singing.. It seems disconnected. I don't believe what she is singing on that Miguel song

You say she needs 'money songs' but you and
>I both know that has more to do with image than the actual
>songs anyway. Money songs are the songs that are going to
>sell the artists image. But you don't like her image and as
>such there can be no money songs selling that image.

NO.. Money songs are GOOD SONGS. Memorable great songs...
Bruno Mars - Grenade for example.. it has zero to do with image..

It is a GREAT SONG


>despite the fact that there are a few stand outs on here that
>do well at selling the image "We Were Rock Stars" for one.
>That's not the type of songs you mean though. You mean songs
>like x, y, z artists... and she's not one of those. She won't
>become one. And so now's the time folk that want that from her
>need to just write her off so maybe she can stop walking this
>line where she's trying to please them and go all into who she
>really wants to be. Will it sell? Not my concern at all.

I want longevity. I think she'll figure it out. I wish she would've done it on this album. She has all the markings of an amazing talent. She has proven it onstage over and over...

The image - perfect

Musicianship - perfect

Songs - not there yet.

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I personally don't think it's a good song. I think it takes a sound which Jamie Woon did better and adds the novelty of this hawaiian kid who sounds a like MJ. But the songwriting specifically the lyrics like the rest of Bruno's work are meh. His image takes him beyond that, and it's been sold well. Janelle crafts lyrics and inspires production even when she's hanging onto her own influences which are much better, but its built into an image that isn't mainstream acceptable anymore.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

That's just a matter of opinion...

I will say that yes... Lyrically Bruno isn't as intricate as Janelle.. I think that Janelle is a bit more primed as an 'artist'.

BUT they are on the same exact label and have definitely been given similar pushes. Bruno fought his way into the limelight with SONGS..

Janelle broke on image and the idea of her.

Whose song will be remembered in the public consciousness 10 years from now?

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>That's just a matter of opinion...

...let's differentiate opinions agreements and facts shall we?

>I will say that yes... Lyrically Bruno isn't as intricate as
>Janelle..

We both agree on this and it could argued as fact for the moment.

>I think that Janelle is a bit more primed as an
>'artist'.

You'll have to define 'primed' here so I know what you mean, but it sounds like artistically she's got something over Bruno.

Left in question - have you heard of Jamie Woon? Would you agree that the aesthetic of Grenade was better done by Woon?

>Bruno fought his way into the limelight
>with SONGS..

I think it was more the performances that broke him than the songs. The performances helped develop the image. The two of them make the mediocrity of the songs a moot point to most.

>Janelle broke on image and the idea of her.

Will not deny that. And that's biting her in the ass at the moment because it keeps people from the music. But there's no doubt that the music is still there.

>Whose song will be remembered in the public consciousness 10
>years from now?

Shit I had to look up grenade to remember which one that was. But I'm not the public. I will tell you though my kids will still be dancing to Janelle ten years from now. And not because she had hits, but because above and beyond what they achieved they are good. Really good from an amazing talent who's good doing what she's most comfortable doing. You want to know why I bumped that other post, because I can already sense the push with this album will be even more for her to change something about her... and that irks the shit out of me.

Her whole point is to have the public change their perspective, but the public is unwilling.

And just for the record right now this won't make my top whatever for the year list, but its a damn good body of work that deserves more than cursory listens for the hits.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>>I think that Janelle is a bit more primed as an
>>'artist'.
>
>You'll have to define 'primed' here so I know what you mean,
>but it sounds like artistically she's got something over
>Bruno.

I mean she is a 'drama kid'.. like nikki minaj .. like gaga.. she was raised in theatrics and performance. So her whole idea as an artist (although kinda jacked from nona hendrix) is more developed. She has created a world unto herself

bruno is a kid that learned to do 2 things.. be a great performer and great songwriter. He isn't so much an 'artist' in the sense that you love his story as he is a master at making songs, conveying the emotion and performing them.

>
>Left in question - have you heard of Jamie Woon? Would you
>agree that the aesthetic of Grenade was better done by Woon?
>
What jamie woon song do u speak of?

>I think it was more the performances that broke him than the
>songs. The performances helped develop the image. The two of
>them make the mediocrity of the songs a moot point to most.
>

Yes but no one heard of bruno till... Nothing on U, Billionaire, fuck U combo.. he had already done wavin flag for K'naan and right round for Flo Rida. His work spoke before he did

>>Janelle broke on image and the idea of her.
>
>Will not deny that. And that's biting her in the ass at the
>moment because it keeps people from the music. But there's no
>doubt that the music is still there.
>
>>Whose song will be remembered in the public consciousness 10
>>years from now?
>
>Shit I had to look up grenade to remember which one that was.
>But I'm not the public. I will tell you though my kids will
>still be dancing to Janelle ten years from now. And not
>because she had hits, but because above and beyond what they
>achieved they are good. Really good from an amazing talent
>who's good doing what she's most comfortable doing. You want
>to know why I bumped that other post, because I can already
>sense the push with this album will be even more for her to
>change something about her... and that irks the shit out of
>me.
>
>Her whole point is to have the public change their
>perspective, but the public is unwilling.
>
>And just for the record right now this won't make my top
>whatever for the year list, but its a damn good body of work
>that deserves more than cursory listens for the hits.
>

When you think of artists in the past. Who can you name that has stood the test of time to no GREAT SONGS.. not "hits" a hit is a hard thing to do. But great memorable songs. What artist of yesteryear can you think of?

I think Janelle has one more "song" after this album to show and prove.. She is in a 360 deal I am sure so the label makes nice money off that cover girl shit..

Janelle doesn't need to "sell" her image.. it's very upfront.. She needs to make songs that can back it up (not just accent it)

Right now no song she has is bigger than her face, pompadour and tuxedo

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>(although kinda jacked from nona hendrix)

Did you get this from maxxx or did he get it from you?

>bruno is a kid that learned to do 2 things.. be a great
>performer and great songwriter.

See there you go calling the shitty lyricist a great songwriter. Why do you keep doing that?

>He isn't so much an 'artist'
>in the sense that you love his story as he is a master at
>making songs, conveying the emotion and performing them.

Holy shit... he's a master of making songs now? How did we get to that. On my last tally we had, shitty lyricist and based on the above without the artistic flair. Suddenly a couple of sentences later he's a master at making songs? Conveying emotion.... are you shitting me? I'll give the performance, but keep the rest of that until you qualify it as either your opinion, help me understand it as fact, or convince me my assessment is wrong.

You can completely ignore this request and pretend like these things are given based on the success of his music or some other shit, and you'd have the rest of the world to agree with you, but it wouldn't mean anything in this debate.

>What jamie woon song do u speak of?

Not a single song. Bruno has a better voice the Woon. But Woon is a better producer and songwriter. He's not a better performer though, is a bit darker in his music, and doesn't have the benefit of nostalgic triggers, so it's much harder to sell in the mainstream. But I'm using him as parallel sound to establish how strong of a songwriter Bruno Mars is in his lane.

>Yes but no one heard of bruno till... Nothing on U,
>Billionaire, fuck U combo..

No comment on those songs.

>he had already done wavin flag for
>K'naan and right round for Flo Rida.

You realize you said K'naan and Flo Rida right?

>>>Janelle broke on image and the idea of her.

Janelle broke on concept and the strength of the music she released prior. Don't reduce her down to pure image. FOH. Nobody said hey we need an androgeny/android black woman to put out there, grabbed one and hoped the music turned out good. In fact I'm willing to bet at this point its more an 'in spite of her image' thing because for whatever the opinion of that image maybe, everyone knows there's talent for days in her. Days.

Could she use help bringing the two together in a way that's comfortable for her without distracting from the music, yeah. But does she need to improve her songwriting or change her thing... nah. That's the opposite of the point of her concept, and she obviously holds that very dear.

>When you think of artists in the past. Who can you name that
>has stood the test of time to no GREAT SONGS.. not "hits" a
>hit is a hard thing to do. But great memorable songs. What
>artist of yesteryear can you think of?

Man fuck this bullshit argument. Get away from top lists, billboard charts and hits for a second. If you removed everything that fell under those categories would you even listen to music? And this isn't some praise of obscurity etc, it's a reality check that music does not exist only by these measuring sticks. There was great memorable music in the past that never saw huge levels of success and there will be more in the future.

>I think Janelle has one more "song" after this album to show
>and prove..

The crux of it is right here. You want her to show and prove for you the industry etc. Meanwhile she's showing and proving from herself with her message, beating it over and over in her head, but it doesn't matter until it's satisfied your hit barometer. Such a twisted way to think about it. She has a shit ton more songs in her, I'm sure. Will one of them crossovver to a big hit.... I don't care I just hope she continues to have the opportunity to make em.

>She is in a 360 deal I am sure so the label makes
>nice money off that cover girl shit..

Things she has to do to be able to afford her vision.

>Janelle doesn't need to "sell" her image.. it's very upfront..
>She needs to make songs that can back it up (not just accent
>it)

On this album "We Were Rock Stars" does that. Will it be a hit... don't know. Is it a great fucking song... absofuckinglutely.

>Right now no song she has is bigger than her face, pompadour
>and tuxedo

And yet she just released a whole album of songs which go so much farther than that. Is it her image or what *you* are focused on? And I'll still give her she needs to tone down the concept bit, but so long as she's still putting in work on the songs. which she is. I mean c'mon as someone mentioned below this is some of the best production and arrangement happening in r&b right now. But it doesn't follow the 'trends' or whatever.... meh I'll stop now.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>>(although kinda jacked from nona hendrix)
>
>Did you get this from maxxx or did he get it from you?
>

We just know what we are talking about. Nona did it first that's all

>>bruno is a kid that learned to do 2 things.. be a great
>>performer and great songwriter.
>
>See there you go calling the shitty lyricist a great
>songwriter. Why do you keep doing that?
>

I never said shitty lyricist.. YOU DID.. I said she had more lyrical depth. Does he do some cheesy shit yep. Can he still make masterful songs YUP..

Half of the Motown shit was "cheesy" lyrically" masterful songs though. Even the Beatles, Beach Boys & Stevie took the easy way out sometimes.. sometimes the easy way IS the best way.

>>He isn't so much an 'artist'
>>in the sense that you love his story as he is a master at
>>making songs, conveying the emotion and performing them.
>
>Holy shit... he's a master of making songs now? How did we
>get to that. On my last tally we had, shitty lyricist and
>based on the above without the artistic flair. Suddenly a
>couple of sentences later he's a master at making songs?
>Conveying emotion.... are you shitting me? I'll give the
>performance, but keep the rest of that until you qualify it as
>either your opinion, help me understand it as fact, or
>convince me my assessment is wrong.
>

You can deny the charts if you want. You can try and dismiss him making hits for himself and other people. But the REALITY is a kid makes songs that connect and react. I will agree with you when songs are shitty.. like this new Katy Perry song.. while technically it is strong it is bottom of the bin in terms of ideas and depth. But katy has die hard fans who will push it forward and hopefully her 2nd single is killer. I don't love EVERYTHING he does. But he lands his shit more often than not.


>You can completely ignore this request and pretend like these
>things are given based on the success of his music or some
>other shit, and you'd have the rest of the world to agree with
>you, but it wouldn't mean anything in this debate.
>
>>What jamie woon song do u speak of?
>
>Not a single song. Bruno has a better voice the Woon. But
>Woon is a better producer and songwriter. He's not a better
>performer though, is a bit darker in his music, and doesn't
>have the benefit of nostalgic triggers, so it's much harder to
>sell in the mainstream. But I'm using him as parallel sound
>to establish how strong of a songwriter Bruno Mars is in his
>lane.
>

Bruno's lane is pop music.. his past and present speak for itself. There is not some grand scheme to up-sell bruno. He isn't a boy band being forced down your throat. He is an unlikely pop star in that sense which is why is talent matters to the equation so much more

>>Yes but no one heard of bruno till... Nothing on U,
>>Billionaire, fuck U combo..
>
>No comment on those songs.
>
>>he had already done wavin flag for
>>K'naan and right round for Flo Rida.
>
>You realize you said K'naan and Flo Rida right?
>

You gon be man at K'naan son!?!?!?

>>>>Janelle broke on image and the idea of her.
>
>Janelle broke on concept and the strength of the music she
>released prior. Don't reduce her down to pure image. FOH.
>Nobody said hey we need an androgeny/android black woman to
>put out there, grabbed one and hoped the music turned out
>good. In fact I'm willing to bet at this point its more an
>'in spite of her image' thing because for whatever the opinion
>of that image maybe, everyone knows there's talent for days in
>her. Days.
>

I shouldve also included musicianship and potential. At the time though the most "concise" things were the image though

>Could she use help bringing the two together in a way that's
>comfortable for her without distracting from the music, yeah.
>But does she need to improve her songwriting or change her
>thing... nah. That's the opposite of the point of her
>concept, and she obviously holds that very dear.
>
>>When you think of artists in the past. Who can you name
>that
>>has stood the test of time to no GREAT SONGS.. not "hits" a
>>hit is a hard thing to do. But great memorable songs. What
>>artist of yesteryear can you think of?
>
>Man fuck this bullshit argument. Get away from top lists,
>billboard charts and hits for a second. If you removed
>everything that fell under those categories would you even
>listen to music? And this isn't some praise of obscurity etc,
>it's a reality check that music does not exist only by these
>measuring sticks. There was great memorable music in the past
>that never saw huge levels of success and there will be more
>in the future.
>

You still didnt mention anything. I asked YOU.. I didn't say FIND ME A HIT MAKER. What artists personally can YOU think of. And i specifically said GREAT SONGS not HITS


>>I think Janelle has one more "song" after this album to show
>>and prove..
>
>The crux of it is right here. You want her to show and prove
>for you the industry etc. Meanwhile she's showing and proving
>from herself with her message, beating it over and over in her
>head, but it doesn't matter until it's satisfied your hit
>barometer. Such a twisted way to think about it. She has a
>shit ton more songs in her, I'm sure. Will one of them
>crossovver to a big hit.... I don't care I just hope she
>continues to have the opportunity to make em.
>
>>She is in a 360 deal I am sure so the label makes
>>nice money off that cover girl shit..
>
>Things she has to do to be able to afford her vision.
>
>>Janelle doesn't need to "sell" her image.. it's very
>upfront..
>>She needs to make songs that can back it up (not just accent
>>it)
>
>On this album "We Were Rock Stars" does that. Will it be a
>hit... don't know. Is it a great fucking song...
>absofuckinglutely.
>

I'll definitely give it another listen. Maybe it's their maybe it's not

>>Right now no song she has is bigger than her face, pompadour
>>and tuxedo
>
>And yet she just released a whole album of songs which go so
>much farther than that. Is it her image or what *you* are
>focused on? And I'll still give her she needs to tone down
>the concept bit, but so long as she's still putting in work on
>the songs. which she is. I mean c'mon as someone mentioned
>below this is some of the best production and arrangement
>happening in r&b right now. But it doesn't follow the
>'trends' or whatever.... meh I'll stop now.
>
The reality is her image is SO SUCCINCT and strong. Her music doesn't compare yet. It definitely could though. It's not like I am counting her out. I think the industry benefits from her being in it.

Double 0
DJ/Producer/Artist
Producer in Kidz In The Hall
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>The reality is her image is SO SUCCINCT and strong. Her music
>doesn't compare yet. It definitely could though. It's not
>like I am counting her out. I think the industry benefits
>from her being in it.

She'll never be able to reach her potential if she is constantly in this struggle to qualify her image. Each time there's the type of pushback on her image that you're giving here, the qualifying her in the makings of a star, it makes her go back in and have to restate again why she's doing this rather than just doing it. The laboriousness of this back and forth IMO is stifiling her. It's not preventing her from still making great songs but it is keeping her form her full musical potential, and that IMO has nothing to do with the feasibility of her pop success. And in fact going for that would likely do more to stifle it.

You're talking pop potential, I'm talking musical potential. Her musical potential is continuing to grow, but her relationship with the pop potential is her struggle as an artist.

Wishing her all the best though, and am appreciative for what she's given on this one.


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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>>The reality is her image is SO SUCCINCT and strong. Her
>music
>>doesn't compare yet. It definitely could though. It's not
>>like I am counting her out. I think the industry benefits
>>from her being in it.
>
>She'll never be able to reach her potential if she is
>constantly in this struggle to qualify her image. Each time
>there's the type of pushback on her image that you're giving
>here, the qualifying her in the makings of a star, it makes
>her go back in and have to restate again why she's doing this
>rather than just doing it. The laboriousness of this back and
>forth IMO is stifiling her. It's not preventing her from
>still making great songs but it is keeping her form her full
>musical potential, and that IMO has nothing to do with the
>feasibility of her pop success. And in fact going for that
>would likely do more to stifle it.
>
>You're talking pop potential, I'm talking musical potential.
>Her musical potential is continuing to grow, but her
>relationship with the pop potential is her struggle as an
>artist.
>
>Wishing her all the best though, and am appreciative for what
>she's given on this one.
>

She is in the NBA not at the Rucker.. She has to play NBA ball or she will be benched.

There are only 2 ways this game works.. you either make great songs by yourself OR you get with people who can help you realize them. Nothing I ask will "take away" from anything she is doing. Her songs could and should be better.

My issues with her image have more to do with a lack of 'connection' I think she has on the songs. She "performs" her songs but doesn't sing them with a connection. Same thing with the crawl...

Take for instance Frank Ocean. I think his most important strength isn't the performance but the way his singing endears the listener. You 'feel' him.


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>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Double 0
DJ/Producer/Artist
Producer in Kidz In The Hall
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twitter: @godouble0
IG: @godouble0
www.thinklikearapper.com

>She is in the NBA not at the Rucker.. She has to play NBA ball
>or she will be benched.
>
>There are only 2 ways this game works.. you either make great
>songs by yourself OR you get with people who can help you
>realize them.

Thanks for the lesson I completely missed the point of this music making thing. I think I got it now though.

>Nothing I ask will "take away" from anything
>she is doing. Her songs could and should be better.

You still haven't qualified that her songwriting is lacking. But now you aren't talking about songwriting are you. You're talking about something else like:

>My issues with her image have more to do with a lack of
>'connection' I think she has on the songs. She "performs" her
>songs but doesn't sing them with a connection.

Ohhhhhh so it's not the songwriting but the execution of the song. That's a different thing. Does it feel like she's holding something back from the audience, not really putting forth everything she can vocally to make that connection? Guess what....































strictly my opinion of course....





















but that's because of everything that I'm complaining about. She successfully did it on ArchAndroid. Go back and watch that Cold War video and tell me she wasn't working to connect. Great ass song by the way. So what's happened since then, people pushed back on her to loose her image and adopt something more becoming of a star. That's the exact antithesis of the message. And so what does she have to do, she has to try to make that point clear to you which leads to a rehash of emotion on this one that doesn't have the immediacy of her, further alienating her from those with whom she would wish to connect. You see the circular trap of this? That's my point. If she's allowed to continue her vision without having to qualify it or change it to accomodate listener expecatations of aesthetics she'd be able to step beyond the rehash. Next album maybe.

>Take for instance Frank Ocean. I think his most important
>strength isn't the performance but the way his singing endears
>the listener. You 'feel' him.

*You* feel him. I feel like he's trash. But let's not go down that path okay.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."