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Tony Hanes
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"Why wasn't LL Cool J & Rakim on "Self-Destruction"...?"


          

Why wasn't LL Cool J & Rakim on "Self-Destruction"...?

What is the history behind this?

Was there an issue with KRS?

Back story people?

Peace

  

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Not sure about Ra, but Def Jam wouldn't let LL get on there
Aug 13th 2013
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RE: Not sure about Ra, but Def Jam wouldn't let LL get on there
Aug 13th 2013
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Yeah KRS spoke about that
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      RE: Yeah KRS spoke about that
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Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback.
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RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback.
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      RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback.
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      RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback.
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its truly a shame they weren't
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RE: its truly a shame they weren't
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KRS has also said Big Daddy Kane and Ice-T were supposed to on it
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BDK was at least in the video
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Wasn't it a a Rush thing?
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what's funny is all those guys ended up on that HEAL project
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      Human Education Against Lies
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           basically, he gave 'em carte blanche on HEAL as a make-up call
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                That's the best thing to say about HEAL
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                     or to Prince Bee being tossed off stage
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                          Oh damn good one
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CMcMurtry
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Tue Aug-13-13 11:38 AM

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1. "Not sure about Ra, but Def Jam wouldn't let LL get on there"
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He was apparently at the recording session though.

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Tony Hanes
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Tue Aug-13-13 11:58 AM

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2. "RE: Not sure about Ra, but Def Jam wouldn't let LL get on there"
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Word? Shame on Def Jam...

  

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csuave03
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Tue Aug-13-13 12:24 PM

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5. "Yeah KRS spoke about that"
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in this video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mwnaqomFrs

  

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Tony Hanes
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13. "RE: Yeah KRS spoke about that"
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Word, thanks my G..

  

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LeroyBumpkin
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Tue Aug-13-13 12:07 PM

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3. "Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback."
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I can't remember why exactly, but I know LL wanted to be on it but Simmons said no. I think LL even showed up to the video shoot to offer support.

https://digife.com

  

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4. "RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback."
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There are some great stories connected to the making of the anti-black-on-black violence single ‘Self Destruction.’ When you think back to leading such a monumental all-star project — that featured everyone from the late Heavy D and Kool Moe Dee to MC Lyte and Public Enemy — what comes to mind?

The fact that LL Cool J still showed up to the session even after Def Jam told him not to. Just imagine a triple-platinum artist wanting to show up and be part of a project so bad, but he can’t because of his record company. But again LL still shows up! Can you imagine MC Lyte and LL together writing a verse for ‘Self Destruction’? Lyte was so hardcore and so much New York female hip-hop. She was battling everybody back then. And she’s in the corner writing with a superstar like LL Cool J and they are trying to figure out how to save our children! If I was a man that cried that was my time to do it.

http://theboombox.com/krs-one-the-bdp-album/

  

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murph71
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Tue Aug-13-13 04:06 PM

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11. "RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback."
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>There are some great stories connected to the making of the
>anti-black-on-black violence single ‘Self Destruction.’ When
>you think back to leading such a monumental all-star project —
>that featured everyone from the late Heavy D and Kool Moe Dee
>to MC Lyte and Public Enemy — what comes to mind?
>
>The fact that LL Cool J still showed up to the session even
>after Def Jam told him not to. Just imagine a triple-platinum
>artist wanting to show up and be part of a project so bad, but
>he can’t because of his record company. But again LL still
>shows up! Can you imagine MC Lyte and LL together writing a
>verse for ‘Self Destruction’? Lyte was so hardcore and so much
>New York female hip-hop. She was battling everybody back then.
>And she’s in the corner writing with a superstar like LL Cool
>J and they are trying to figure out how to save our children!
>If I was a man that cried that was my time to do it.
>
>http://theboombox.com/krs-one-the-bdp-album/

Thanks for beating me to it...lol


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Tony Hanes
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12. "RE: Dan Charnas talked about it in his book The Big Payback."
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Thanks, I thought I heard something like that...

  

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mistermaxxx08
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6. "its truly a shame they weren't"
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i mean those were two of the Greatest MC's then and of all time period.

I saw LL on the set and their was some footage floating out. LL wanted to be seen as more than what Russell wanted him to be seen as.

LL was a Money man which meant Cross over and while LL wasn't going to be mixed up with Dj Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, he wasn't going to be taken as serious as Public Enemy either.

RUssell wanted LL much along the lines of Run DMC. Black, however with cross over appeal and yet not to threatening. politics, within Politics.

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Tony Hanes
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14. "RE: its truly a shame they weren't"
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Yeah, I agree with you 100%

  

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mrhood75
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7. "KRS has also said Big Daddy Kane and Ice-T were supposed to on it"
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But Time Warner flexed on them as well.

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Luke Cage
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10. "BDK was at least in the video"
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Never heard that about Ice T

  

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Luke Cage
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8. "Wasn't it a a Rush thing?"
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Like not only are LL and Rakim not in it but think about who was even bigger than both of them at the time that wasn't on the song or even in the video? Run DMC!

  

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9. "what's funny is all those guys ended up on that HEAL project"
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which flopped hard.

  

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Luke Cage
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15. "Human Education Against Lies"
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That shit was wack. Russell should have let them be on Self Destruction!

  

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16. "basically, he gave 'em carte blanche on HEAL as a make-up call"
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and the whole thing was wack & led to KRS changing course to Sex & Violence.

  

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Luke Cage
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17. "That's the best thing to say about HEAL"
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That it lead to Sex & Violence which is one of my favorite BDP albums.

  

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Bombastic
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18. "or to Prince Bee being tossed off stage"
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>That it lead to Sex & Violence which is one of my favorite
>BDP albums.

  

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19. "Oh damn good one"
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I know Kris caught hella flack for that but I loved that shit. Hip Hop's a contact sport B!

  

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