Two strange rap music CDs. Though the beats and rhymes are strange from each other in different ways.

Ego Trippin Pt2 has a loud scream on it and so does one of the Yeezus songs.

Both say political things, e.g. Kanye alludes to jacking off in the mouth and on the blouse of the wives of people who run private prisons and who live in the Hamptons:

They tryna lock ni##as up
They tryna make new slaves
See that's that privately owned prison
Get your piece today
They prolly all in the Hamptons
Bragging 'bout what they made
Fuck you and your Hampton house
I'll fuck your Hampton spouse
Came on her Hampton blouse
And in her Hampton mouth
Y'all 'bout to turn shit up
I'm 'bout to tear shit down
I'm 'bout to air shit out
Now what the fuck they gon' say now?

And Posdnuos says:

I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late

(Blame OHHLA for typos)

Attached is a link a review of Yeezus by Lou Reed, in case you missed it:

www.theguardian.com/music/2013/jul/03/lou-reed-kanye-west-yeezus

And a review of Buhloone Mindstate:

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/2012/03/01/hidden-gems-de-la-souls-buhloone-mindstate/

edit: And both have approx 11 songs each (if you don't count De La's interludes).

Poll result (68 votes) Yeezus (18 votes) Vote Buhloone Mindstate (50 votes) Vote

The De La record is dope as hell to me and Yeezus dissapointed the hell out of me and has borderline terrible lyrics at times


both are relatively "odd" albums though....I guess....... :/

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How Yeezus is so far ahead, I'll never know.

when he raps

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Right. This is not even close.

WTF...people are actually putting Yeezus over Buhloone Mindstate?!?!?!

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That Kanye verse is pretty good (absolutely no better than that).

Yeezus as a whole is subpar for Kanye.

Buhloone Mindstate is 100% better, no question.

Yeezus is a horrible album and the Buhloone Mindstate is awesome.

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I'm not even a huge BMS fan, but it's miles better than Yeezus.

Boko Haram shd pay you a visit if you like Yeezus

Yeezus is a steaming pile...I'm biased.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

last sunday.

There is no comparison to it VS most albums let alone YEZZUS. Just the complex lyrics alone pull it far ahead of the pack.

SMH at these results.

werd.

is all that's needed for people to show BMS it's proper respect?

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2676009&mesg_id=2676009&listing_type=search

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I don't even understand how 3Ft or DLSID can be placed above BMS though...I really enjoy DLSID, but imo, half it's power is in its skits.

BMS is a full, top-to-bottom musical masterpiece.

>I don't even understand how 3Ft or DLSID can be placed above
>BMS though...I really enjoy DLSID, but imo, half it's power is
>in its skits.
>
>BMS is a full, top-to-bottom musical masterpiece.

nope...but if that's what it takes to truly appreciate them...then how dope are they?

and that's no dis to 3Ft or DLSID...that question applies to all these classics.

>nope...but if that's what it takes to truly appreciate
>them...then how dope are they?
>
>and that's no dis to 3Ft or DLSID...that question applies to
>all these classics.

I mean I think all three are top-shelf, however I think some of these 89-91 'sonic collage' heavy-sample albums are harder for ears(De La's first two, It Takes A Nation, Fear Of A Black Planet, Sex Packets) that didn't grow with them to accomplish because post-Biz-Markie lawsuit records like this weren't really able to exist & could sound obtuse to later generations of ears.

On a given day any of the first three can be their best to me, it's the kids saying Stakes Is High or Grind Date are De La's best that I can't abide.

To me De La were at their best with Prince Paul when there was still the bugged-out inside-jokey prankster vibe to their stuff.

'Is Dead' was probably the peak of that style, 'Buhloone' stripped some of that down & added a bit more live musicality but still retained that fun-loving & mischievous essence.

After that, while still making some good music they sorta became the old-before-their-time, occasionally preachy caretakers of 'real hip-hop' when the reality is what made them so exciting/interesting in the first place was how off the grid from the genre's standards/ethos they were in the early days.

>>nope...but if that's what it takes to truly appreciate
>>them...then how dope are they?
>>
>>and that's no dis to 3Ft or DLSID...that question applies to
>>all these classics.
>
>I mean I think all three are top-shelf, however I think some
>of these 89-91 'sonic collage' heavy-sample albums are harder
>for ears(De La's first two, It Takes A Nation, Fear Of A Black
>Planet, Sex Packets) that didn't grow with them to accomplish
>because post-Biz-Markie lawsuit records like this weren't
>really able to exist & could sound obtuse to later generations
>of ears.
>
You may have a point. I just can't get into It Takes a Nation...it's just too chaotic for me, and the elements of each track don't seem to agree imo. I like the rest of those albums you named a lot, though...I guess my thing with De La's first two is that they're like variety shows...almost similar to the flow of other Prince Paul stuff like Psychoanalysis or Chris Rock's Bigger and Blacker. Sure, the De La skits are technically short songs, but as far as the "meat" of those records are concerned...to me, BMS is like...95% meat, with the Prince Paul antics built in to the songs...while 3Ft & DLSID are about 50% and 65% meat to me, respectively.

>On a given day any of the first three can be their best to me,
>it's the kids saying Stakes Is High or Grind Date are De La's
>best that I can't abide.
>
I would've been with you a couple years ago, but now I might be willing to hear a case for Stakes (Pos is a beeeeaast). Grind Date is dope too, but nah.

>To me De La were at their best with Prince Paul when there was
>still the bugged-out inside-jokey prankster vibe to their
>stuff.
>
>'Is Dead' was probably the peak of that style, 'Buhloone'
>stripped some of that down & added a bit more live musicality
>but still retained that fun-loving & mischievous essence.
>

I agree. That's how that style was perfected, for me. Don't get me wrong, the songs always had it, but from 3Ft to BMS, I think that essence you're talking about went from being primarily expressed thru skits, to gradually being condensed into the songs, which makes the album as a whole much stronger and more focused, and gives each song a more layered feel.

>After that, while still making some good music they sorta
>became the old-before-their-time, occasionally preachy
>caretakers of 'real hip-hop' when the reality is what made
>them so exciting/interesting in the first place was how off
>the grid from the genre's standards/ethos they were in the
>early days.
>

Totally agree. And the irony of that is, when rap vets make those "make hip hop fun again" records...they rarely return to the vibe that the song laments the loss of.

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>>>nope...but if that's what it takes to truly appreciate
>>>them...then how dope are they?
>>>
>>>and that's no dis to 3Ft or DLSID...that question applies
>to
>>>all these classics.
>>
>>I mean I think all three are top-shelf, however I think some
>>of these 89-91 'sonic collage' heavy-sample albums are
>harder
>>for ears(De La's first two, It Takes A Nation, Fear Of A
>Black
>>Planet, Sex Packets) that didn't grow with them to
>accomplish
>>because post-Biz-Markie lawsuit records like this weren't
>>really able to exist & could sound obtuse to later
>generations
>>of ears.
>>
>You may have a point. I just can't get into It Takes a
>Nation...it's just too chaotic for me, and the elements of
>each track don't seem to agree imo. I like the rest of those
>albums you named a lot, though...I guess my thing with De La's
>first two is that they're like variety shows...almost similar
>to the flow of other Prince Paul stuff like Psychoanalysis or
>Chris Rock's Bigger and Blacker. Sure, the De La skits are
>technically short songs, but as far as the "meat" of those
>records are concerned...to me, BMS is like...95% meat, with
>the Prince Paul antics built in to the songs...while 3Ft &
>DLSID are about 50% and 65% meat to me, respectively.
>
I didn't love Paul's solos because to me that was where it went to much into skits/story, I don't really know Psychoanalysis but speaking on Prince Among Thieves or Politics of the Business.

However I love that first Handsome Boy album to death, it flows more like those early De La records.

Little half-songs/interludes like 'Transmissions'/'Do As De La Does'/'Hey Love' kinda work as bridges between songs that add to the overall picture that's being painted on the album.

Skits were the death of momentum on countless rap albums throughout the 90's/early-00's but the first two De La's, 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, Ironman, Liquid Swords & Muddy Waters actually work for me.

>>On a given day any of the first three can be their best to
>me,
>>it's the kids saying Stakes Is High or Grind Date are De
>La's
>>best that I can't abide.
>>
>I would've been with you a couple years ago, but now I might
>be willing to hear a case for Stakes (Pos is a beeeeaast).
>Grind Date is dope too, but nah.
>
Pos is always gonna be a beast but yeah I can't go there.

>>To me De La were at their best with Prince Paul when there
>was
>>still the bugged-out inside-jokey prankster vibe to their
>>stuff.
>>
>>'Is Dead' was probably the peak of that style, 'Buhloone'
>>stripped some of that down & added a bit more live
>musicality
>>but still retained that fun-loving & mischievous essence.
>>
>
>I agree. That's how that style was perfected, for me. Don't
>get me wrong, the songs always had it, but from 3Ft to BMS, I
>think that essence you're talking about went from being
>primarily expressed thru skits, to gradually being condensed
>into the songs, which makes the album as a whole much stronger
>and more focused, and gives each song a more layered feel.
>
That's fair.

>>After that, while still making some good music they sorta
>>became the old-before-their-time, occasionally preachy
>>caretakers of 'real hip-hop' when the reality is what made
>>them so exciting/interesting in the first place was how off
>>the grid from the genre's standards/ethos they were in the
>>early days.
>>
>
>Totally agree. And the irony of that is, when rap vets make
>those "make hip hop fun again" records...they rarely return to
>the vibe that the song laments the loss of.
>

You have GOT to be kidding me.

when I first saw this post de la was losing
tbh i think

BMS>every kanye album....and its not close

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This verse > anything Kanye has been involved with


Verse 1: Posdnous

I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
Here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
The pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
Who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
And didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
Look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monet
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
So the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
So the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
From a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
Speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
And said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
For now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
But a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
And if I was a rug cleaner
Betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am

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I actually like all of Ye's albums. Yep, even 808s

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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

Now its well received and seen as classic.

Same thing could happen to Yezzus.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

That album sucks. No De La album ever sucked.

when it came out

http://twitter.com/Menphyel7


"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

But I don't like any other song on the album. In fact, the rest is unlistenable to me.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

De La for the win!

...actually replied....to the post.......

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Well, I voted BMS, but still, the flogging of people who enjoy Yeezus on this board since the album dropped has been ridiculous...
Really, it's the oldheads (and those that identify with them) that have taken the "discussion" about that album to new heights of ignorance...

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that's why I said "and those who identify with them". I'm not trying to make this about age...I'm just sayin, USUALLY, being into hip hop for a long time is what makes some folks gatekeepers in their own heads.

I have no problem with people (strongly) disliking Yeezus, and expressing that...it was a polarizing album...but it seems like people are on some mission to find everyone who enjoys Yeezus, call them out, and expose them as followers who made themselves like the album just to be hip to what Kanye's doing.

And that situation has made for just the kind of "discussion" that the perps have been complaining about for the last few years on these boards.

ridiculous hyperbole shit was said both ways in that yeezus thread man. I think its a bad album, mainly because the lyrics are terrible but anyway...

how many young people are on this board you think though? I mean I'm 21 and I often feel like the youngest person here.

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>ridiculous hyperbole shit was said both ways in that yeezus
>thread man.
Like I said...it's one thing to listen to an album once or twice and say, "this ish gon be a classic" or give it premature "AotY" status...
But I find it much more absurd to tell people that they're making themselves like an album. Argue all day, tell them why you don't like it...but dudes who don't like it are being overly dismissive, imo...not necessarily overly dismissive to the album--I mean, that too, but I can't be mad at that, to each his own--but overly dismissive to the people who like it. Makes for lame conversation. Especially since the ones who hate it are the same ones who won't stop talking about it.

I think its a bad album, mainly because the lyrics
>are terrible but anyway...
>
I ain't mad at that.

>how many young people are on this board you think though? I
>mean I'm 21 and I often feel like the youngest person here.
>
I mean, I'd like to see a census every coupla years...lol...but just from my (possibly biased) assumption from my years of lurking, there may be a decent # of lurkers your age, but I'd guess that the cool kids here are, like...28-34. that's just my guess tho. And that's fine, but if you the type that wants to argue that every hip hop fan must have Melle Mel, Rakim, Slick Rick, BDK, and KRS in their top five, and that there's no room for deviation from that...then why you wanna discuss music?

but at the same time it IS arguable that (some) people gave Yeezus more of a chance SIMPLY because Kanye made it, though to be honest every single person is probably guilty of this when faced with a relatively "difficult" album from their favorite artists. I think some of the conversation comes from that the general public sees the album as "experimental" and odds are lots of these people would dismiss something like this if it wasn't coming from Ye. This can be applied even more to the albums CRITICAL reception IMO, it has been a polarizing album among "hip hop heads" but the all across the board positive critical reception really had my head scratching. Anyway in summary, for me at least, I found the beats to range from bad to great and the lyrics overall to be REALLY REALLY bad, which is why in the end I can't really fuck with that album and it is my least favorite Ye project besides 808s

but lets stop talking about Yeezus now because I don't talk about it that much, because I don't like it. I don't see the point in dwelling on an album that clearly (after multiple listens) just isn't for someone with my taste. Yeah, a census would be nice lmao and thats a good point on the top 5 thing, this is the way I see it, I'm going to use a recent top 25 post as an example. Recently someone created a rate my top 25 post and it wasn't like....exactly what mine would be, but I judge it on NOT if they are ACTUALLY in my top whatever but if I think they are reasonable choices despite the fact that they are/aren't in mine, his list is mad different than mine but I still found it to be a good list

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>but at the same time it IS arguable that (some) people gave
>Yeezus more of a chance SIMPLY because Kanye made it, though
>to be honest every single person is probably guilty of this
>when faced with a relatively "difficult" album from their
>favorite artists. I think some of the conversation comes from
>that the general public sees the album as "experimental" and
>odds are lots of these people would dismiss something like
>this if it wasn't coming from Ye.

Oh no doubt, I wasn't feelin Yeezus on first listen...I pretty much did what you're talking about. (I was the same way with Prince.) I don't think it's anything wrong with it tho. Especially since...I can't only speak for myself, but I didn't *hate* Yeezus, but on the first 2 to 4 spins, it was like...you ever tried something new (food or drink), made some ugly faces swallowing it, and didn't know how you felt about it, but before I knew it, you finished the whole thing, and had urges to try it again because because somehow you were still confused about what your taste buds just partook in? That was the Yeezus experience for me. But if you've never done that it prolly sounds ridiculous. haha. But yeah, I guess what it came down to was 1.) for the most part, I trust Kanye's vision as an artist (even tho most of 808s is just plain wack to me) and 2.) the album is short, so I didn't know what hit me...and I was like "wait, hol' up...what? let's do that again...". I also find that albums I do that with last me longer, while some stuff I go crazy over from jump has super low replay value for me.

This can be applied even
>more to the albums CRITICAL reception IMO, it has been a
>polarizing album among "hip hop heads" but the all across the
>board positive critical reception really had my head
>scratching.

I'm with you on that one. I expected a decent # of scathing reviews.

Anyway in summary, for me at least, I found the
>beats to range from bad to great and the lyrics overall to be
>REALLY REALLY bad, which is why in the end I can't really fuck
>with that album and it is my least favorite Ye project besides
>808s
>
>but lets stop talking about Yeezus now because I don't talk
>about it that much, because I don't like it. I don't see the
>point in dwelling on an album that clearly (after multiple
>listens) just isn't for someone with my taste.

no problem.

Yeah, a census
>would be nice lmao and thats a good point on the top 5 thing,
>this is the way I see it, I'm going to use a recent top 25
>post as an example. Recently someone created a rate my top 25
>post and it wasn't like....exactly what mine would be, but I
>judge it on NOT if they are ACTUALLY in my top whatever but if
>I think they are reasonable choices despite the fact that they
>are/aren't in mine, his list is mad different than mine but I
>still found it to be a good list

...and that's the way it should be.

"trying an album again" as a bad thing. Its not. For example, I didn't like Funcrusher Plus that much in my first listen and now it is definitely one of my favorite hip hop albums. Same goes for other albums. I didn't like the first Pink Floyd album in my first listen and now its probably only behind The Dark Side Of The Moon for me in their discography......

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but IMO BMS was a let down. I know some of you grew up with it but it was trash compared to the previous classics De La dropped. They went to the well one too many times and it sounds like their anti-label Prince Paul break up record. I'm pretty sure De La said they were over the Prince Paul concept album and weren't seeing eye to eye.

That album missed me and it's probably because 3Ft and De La is Dead were my shit.

When people say it's their favorite De La record I hope it's because it's the first one they heard. Not sure how anyone could put it over their first 2 records. 3Ft was amazing and genuine. DLSID lived up to the hype... BMS is kind of ehhh IMO.

Buhloone Mindstate blows it out the water

never heard BM but I know de la made corny music for swagless nerds

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i still don't think you are real though.

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>never heard BM but I know de la made corny music for swagless
>nerds


If ure serious u dont deserve ear drums

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