he is better as an MC & as a producer

he also has a better catalogue & has built his career in a much more respectable manner



im not coming back for awhile, hope this goes well

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but I wasn't feeling any of the other MCs I heard from MMG. Is there another Oddisee solo joint I should check out next?

Oddisee has one full-length solo rap album, Kanye has 5

Oddisee has instrumental albums, Kanye doesn't

Kanye has an autotune pop album, Oddisee doesn't

Oddisee has produced full length albums for other rappers, Kanye hasn't

I could easily see someone thinking either one is the better overall artist...they are two of my favorite overall artist/rapper/producers along with El-P

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>Oddisee has one full-length solo rap album, Kanye has 5

i defintley consider Foot In the Door as a solo rap album & a damn good one, especially w/ the full length tracks that u could DL w/ the code in the CD

plus 101/102 & Mental Liberation...then a classic album w/ Diamond District & another on the way

also he's been the cornerstone artist for two labels

>Oddisee has instrumental albums, Kanye doesn't

YUP, each w/ a different sound/stylistic shift & he promises a new progression on his upcoming one...which moves into my next point below

>Kanye has an autotune pop album, Oddisee doesn't

thank god!

but seriously, O's stylistic shifts seem more organic artistically & less forced responses to a commercial demand

i have this theory abt kanye not really making great albums but moreso projects that reflect the pop landscape of the moment & thus become "events" in the public eye

>Oddisee has produced full length albums for other rappers,
>Kanye hasn't

Be & Finding Forever?

>I could easily see someone thinking either one is the better
>overall artist...they are two of my favorite overall
>artist/rapper/producers along with El-P

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>i defintley consider Foot In the Door as a solo rap album & a
>damn good one, especially w/ the full length tracks that u
>could DL w/ the code in the CD
>plus 101/102 & Mental Liberation

I haven't listened to them as much as some of the other Oddisee projects...Rock Creek Park, Travelling Man, Odd Seasons, People Hear What They See, Diamond District Instrumentals, and the Instrumental Mixtapes are the stuff i'm most familiar with/have listened to at least 5-10 times or more...I'll have to revisit Foot In The Door/Mental Liberation

>but seriously, O's stylistic shifts seem more organic
>artistically & less forced responses to a commercial demand
>i have this theory abt kanye not really making great albums
>but moreso projects that reflect the pop landscape of the
>moment & thus become "events" in the public eye

I think...Kanye's albums are intentionally reactive to the pop landscape and try to push it in a certain direction...but it has never come off as forced or insincere for any of his solo albums...even 808's was an autotune pop album yet sounded nothing like T-Pain or any other autotune R&B snap stuff at the time, it was its own thing. I do feel like parts of Cruel Summer and Watch The Throne sounded contrived and forced to keep up with the times (Trap and Dubstep sounds)


>Be & Finding Forever?

True, forgot about those...and those were dope, production wise at least. Diamond District beats probably better though

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>>Oddisee has one full-length solo rap album, Kanye has 5
>
>i defintley consider Foot In the Door as a solo rap album & a
>damn good one, especially w/ the full length tracks that u
>could DL w/ the code in the CD
>


Where can I get those full tracks ????

inbx

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>>Oddisee has one full-length solo rap album, Kanye has 5
>
>i defintley consider Foot In the Door as a solo rap album & a
>damn good one, especially w/ the full length tracks that u
>could DL w/ the code in the CD
>
>plus 101/102 & Mental Liberation...then a classic album w/
>Diamond District & another on the way
>
>also he's been the cornerstone artist for two labels
>
>>Oddisee has instrumental albums, Kanye doesn't
>
>YUP, each w/ a different sound/stylistic shift & he promises a
>new progression on his upcoming one...which moves into my next
>point below
>
>>Kanye has an autotune pop album, Oddisee doesn't
>
>thank god!
>
>but seriously, O's stylistic shifts seem more organic
>artistically & less forced responses to a commercial demand
>
>i have this theory abt kanye not really making great albums
>but moreso projects that reflect the pop landscape of the
>moment & thus become "events" in the public eye
>
>>Oddisee has produced full length albums for other rappers,
>>Kanye hasn't
>
>Be & Finding Forever?
>
>>I could easily see someone thinking either one is the better
>>overall artist...they are two of my favorite overall
>>artist/rapper/producers along with El-P
>



I bought foot in the door on cd and know nothing of these full length tracks available for download!!! Can you please hook me up with them?

it's i think 9 full songs, 8 from jeff's mix (crazy that O had a legend like jeff mixtape--REAL mixtape--his first rap joint, but then again "the magnificent" is where O got his industry start)

one song is a joint ive never heard anywhere else w/ some atypical content imo for O, lol...a dope story joint about meeting a female while out on the town

i have the CD of instros too

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>it's i think 9 full songs, 8 from jeff's mix (crazy that O
>had a legend like jeff mixtape--REAL mixtape--his first rap
>joint, but then again "the magnificent" is where O got his
>industry start)
>
>one song is a joint ive never heard anywhere else w/ some
>atypical content imo for O, lol...a dope story joint about
>meeting a female while out on the town
>
>i have the CD of instros too



I need them. all. matter of fact lemme go look at me cd though im sure the link is long dead at this point.


id love to get full lengths of the songs from that Kev Brown mixtape from years ago too.

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>inbx



You're going in my Christmas list.

see whose is longer, more substantial & varied

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but Kanye's discog is still better to me, So I have to say Kanye is more complete. So right now I can't roll with this post. And I don't like Yeezus

Oddisee is a better MC though, but I also think Oddisee's beats>>>his MCing, though the same can be said about Kanye

and Oddisee seems to be improving lyrically though while Ye just gets worse

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>& has built his career in a
>much more respectable manner

^^explain this for me please

i feel like O has built his career more on his own terms vs whats demanded from a pop standpoint, all while still having a very varied & progressive catalog

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to me most of the time. always good, rarely great.

I'd take Black Milk over him, and maybe have the Kanye conversation with him (not seriously, but for the purposes of this post).

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I wish Black Milk was on Oddisee type levels, that last LP he released though is kinda leakin....Hopefully duke comes back with something strong...

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downloading ppl hear what they see and rock creek park now

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mainly because while O is getting better with the beats and the lyrics, Kaney is regressing with both

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O's work so far is a little restrained in the box he has for himself
Ye for all his issues...pushes himself and make an effort to cross not only genres but artis in those genres
I love O's music but would love to see him stretch his abilities in the same way as Ye

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We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

There is some soul/latin/house/jazz stuff going on in his instrumental projects, he's performed with a live band, has videos rapping over just and acoustic guitar...I guess most of the studio versions of his rap stuff stays pretty traditional, but the range of styles on the instrumental projects, use of live instruments for both studio and live performance...

This video has more class than 99.9% of anything any other rapper has to show for IMO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDOnQCtP10w

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>There is some soul/latin/house/jazz stuff going on in his
>instrumental projects, he's performed with a live band, has
>videos rapping over just and acoustic guitar...I guess most of
>the studio versions of his rap stuff stays pretty traditional,
>but the range of styles on the instrumental projects, use of
>live instruments for both studio and live performance...
>
>This video has more class than 99.9% of anything any other
>rapper has to show for IMO:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDOnQCtP10w


can you show to work where he has worked with people in other genres?
produced non hip hop?
stretching his producing ?

believe me i love O
just waiting on the other show to drop

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To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

Hes also produced for Nikki Jean.

He's grown a whole lot from his early days. I mean he can do it all. Folks gotta find him too, you know?

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>O's work so far is a little restrained in the box he has for
>himself
>Ye for all his issues...pushes himself and make an effort to
>cross not only genres but artis in those genres
>I love O's music but would love to see him stretch his
>abilities in the same way as Ye
>


How can you not be a better artist just because you're not genre-hopping... or
attempting to anyway?

Though don't get it twisted I still think Kanye is better overall, as I stated above

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*shrugs*

id argue for Rock Creek Park too but folk'll pan that bc he doesn't rhyme on it

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College Dropout - I actually liked a lot when it dropped but today, I can't even play it through. Still has some of my favorite Ye songs like Family Business but a lot of his rhymes are just cringe worthy on that album.

Late Registration - the idea of the album with Brion producing is better than the actual outcome. And I believe a lot of people took the fact that Brion was on board to create some kind of hip-hop masterpiece and bought into it regardless of what the album sounded like. With that said, there are still many moments that I like on the album but its just too bloated and too full of itself. And again, many of the lyrics are cringe worthy.

Graduation - his most contained album and probably his 'biggest' album. It had the hits but those hits are in a time capsule like a lot of his music. And the album did have Drunk and Hot Girls and Big Brother which are some what embarrassing.

808 and Heartbreaks - next

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - maybe the most overrated album of this current decade. I can't even make it past track 5. Another example of people being in love with the idea of Kanye's artistry more than the actual music.

Yeezus - I won't act like I even listened to this shit but reading reviews from people who champion Ye let me know this shit ain't better than either of those two albums I named.

I really wanna say people are letting blogs and critics tell them what's hot, but
people seem to really like it, so to each their own. It was the one of the most
overhyped pieces of shit ever until Jay-Z's Holy Fail.


As for Late Registration though, I thought that album was damn near flawless
outside of the corny joint with Brandy. His best album by far.

CD, LR, MBDTF are pretty solid albums 8-8.5/10 etc. I also think MBDTF is overrated but I still like that album more than anything Oddisee has done probably. Yeezus is shit. Graduation is kinda shit. 808s is unforgivably bad. Watch The Throne is also pretty shit. I think Kanye has the WORST and BEST of the two catalogs we are comparing here. I dig Diamond In The Ruff (and saw those dudes open for Kweli...that was amazing) and the recent Oddisee solo album....and dudes instrumental projects but I don't think I dig them as much as I dig those three Kanye albums overall. Right now Oddisee is definitely a better MC than Kanye though and seems to just keep on improving as Ye' just sucks it up (Yeezus), so theres that. They are both really good producers, though again lately Oddisee has probably been better at that too, becuase the beats on his last album were dope (so dope that they overshined his lyrics like fucking crazy). BUT comparing overall and looking at discogs and which albums I like more I just can't put Oddisee ahead of Kanye.

so yeah again I just disagree, but thats cool lol

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> the
>beats on his last album were dope (so dope that they
>overshined his lyrics like fucking crazy)

on PHWTS...i think the production being so relevatory, fresh & standing up so well on repeated listens, as well as the way the album is mixed, kind of lead to deemphasis of his rhymes but this guy consistently on the album shows a complexity & depth to what he's rhyming about that i think a lot of folks miss...each song has a specific subject too (i dunno if u read this but he actually went out & got inspiration for his rhymes by observing interactions from afar, which ties in w/ the album title)

i mean listen to the 1st verse of "way in, way out"...it's absolutely fucking jaw dropping, shit STILL gives me chills...

Kanye & his token CCA mentions can't even romotely approach even a sketch of that level of depth & analysis

& here's the thing...Kanye is ALL ABOUT HIMSELF in his music for the most part...for PHWTS O purposefully wrote each song from a perspective not necessarily (though he does drop jewels on his own life as any MC should) his own

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sometime this week I'll give that album a relisten (I really played it allot when it first came out but haven't heard it in a good minute)

btw Way In Way Out is probably my favorite track from the album

I doubt I will sway on this issue though, those ye albums are really good to me

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but you're fair & varied w/ ur taste & give things a shot so there's no way to find fault in that at all unless i feel like being a REAL asshole, lol

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...on point, been telling heads everywhere about O for a minute now....

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

Just make a post about how you like him..don't throw Kanye in there.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

kanye scours scenes for elements he can appropriate & then makes the things he's bitten into tge new "template" for the sound & style of hip-hop & ppl follow

im not even sure thats a point in his favor, it may actually detract from how i view him artistically

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All the greats did this.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

that's pretty much a requirement in hip-hop so its good he does what everyone else does

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

nobody even said that like anywhere in here

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not sure where you picked that up but whatever
but the fact that you'd play that card in regards to Kaney shows that this is a topic that hits close to home

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yall said he didn't have a classic..he obviously does so you switch to "well that don't mean it was good for us? wtf???

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

pretty much every album of his I hear people saying they don't like it like they used to, that isn't indicative of classic status

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also, no, im comparing him to kanye for a reason...kanye is a standard to a lot of folks so putting him up against kanye w/ the idea he's actually better is a means of me illustrating how seriously thorough O's discog is & how much he's accomplished in hip-hop over the last decade...it also serves as a reminder that an artists mainstream success does not define their success as an artist (& i bet O works very hard & makes a good living mainstream or not)

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I'll have to check his music out.

Sure they both rap and produce, but the lanes they occupy are essentially polar opposites.

I love the growth of Oddisee's music. I can appreciate the growth of Kanye's music. I think Kanye takes the most obvious sonic risks but it's not necessarily better because it's edgier.

And what I feel Oddisee does that I don't see Kanye doing is reaching back to all of his bag of tricks. Kanye seems content on finding "NEXT" versus perfecting all the tools in his vast arsenal. Oddisee can do all of what he does reasonably well for the rest of his career and it won't sound dull because you can tell he's committed to quality.

It seems like Kanye is committed to torturing himself into a creative.

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but it sure is a novel thought

To ignorant fucks like you.

But I'm glad you can intelligent express 'your' opinion.

I also reserve the right to 'intelligent express' my opinion that his opinion possesses a certain novelty to me as much as you deserve the right to display curious levels of mad.

I didn't say he was wrong.

"It sure is a novel thought" is a shot of his opinion regardless if you said he was wrong or not.

But your narrow-minded opinions are well documented on here so carry on.

always attacking the opposition.

but people like you are why I love this place.

Namaste my brother.

>always attacking the opposition.
>
>but people like you are why I love this place.
>
>Namaste my brother.


There are certain people on this site, you being one of them, that make one-line statements that are ignorant and don't add to musical discussion and then when someone calls you on it, you respond with "you're mad".

Do you know how incredibly elementary that shit is? Youre the cat that stays instigating some shit and then when you finally get punched in the face, you want to cry about it and act like you're the victim.

There are plenty of people in this very post who have a different opinion than me that I didn't respond to because they expressed their opinion.

You just came on here and took a shot.

but why even reply? what's in it for you?

these are apple and oranges artists and the comparison isn't really valid IMO

thus the one liner. (admittedly i do take shots at phil but this was pretty tame historically speaking)

you say i'm an 'ignorant fuck' for my opinion. That was a display of anger...thus calling you mad. Ignorance doesn't apply to this discussion, there are no facts to correct each other on. Just subjective matters of taste.

anyway, it's a saturday night...

>you say i'm an 'ignorant fuck' for my opinion. That was a
>display of anger...thus calling you mad.

Calling someone an ignorant fuck doesn't equate into one being mad and that's the assumption that needs to stop on these boards. It's like you guys see a cuss and think someone is mad. Do you know how calmly I can tell you to shut the fuck up and keep it moving? That shit is not a sign of someone being mad.

Ignorance doesn't
>apply to this discussion, there are no facts to correct each
>other on. Just subjective matters of taste.
>

The ignorant common has nothing to do with anyone's opinion becuse anyone can like what they like. I called you an ignorant fuck because of the one-liner and the shot, which you even admitted are usually worse. I know certain people's MO on here and sometimes I feel like pulling your card on it.

>anyway, it's a saturday night...

Yessir...and I'm chilling watching Beats, Rhymes, & Life with my son.

So how could I be mad?

>Calling someone an ignorant fuck doesn't equate into one being
>mad and that's the assumption that needs to stop on these
>boards. It's like you guys see a cuss and think someone is
>mad. Do you know how calmly I can tell you to shut the fuck
>up and keep it moving? That shit is not a sign of someone
>being mad.

it most certainly is. Of course it's not fool proof...but 9/10 said 'name-caller' usually feels some type of way. (ie. Mad)

>The ignorant common has nothing to do with anyone's opinion
>becuse anyone can like what they like. I called you an
>ignorant fuck because of the one-liner and the shot, which you
>even admitted are usually worse. I know certain people's MO
>on here and sometimes I feel like pulling your card on it.

This whole post is a shot at Kanye (and collateral to his fanbase). Oddisee is an underground rapper and they are generally of limits around these parts. Meanwhile, mainstream artists and fans of mainstream artists get shitted on all the time. A harmless return jab is not worth getting so defensive.

>>anyway, it's a saturday night...
>
>Yessir...and I'm chilling watching Beats, Rhymes, & Life with
>my son.

I didn't know it was out on DVD already. respect. Enjoy your newborn...they are a handful arent they?

>This whole post is a shot at Kanye (and collateral to his
>fanbase)

you could choose to look at it like this instead of viewing it as a "shot" to compare Kanye to a so called "underground" artist: phil's a huge Oddisee fan, the fact he'd even use kanye as a foil to get a discussion going is a credit to mr. west...

also im willing to bet there's significant overlap in the two artists fanbases

funny...i read an O interview one time & when asked what current artist he would like to work with, guess who he said?

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which is why i never make them

but again, i think the comparison here is crucial to the point im tryna make &, for better or worse, bringing kanye into the discussion is gonna bring more ppl into the post (which u can look at as a credit to kanye if u choose to)

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>it most certainly is. Of course it's not fool proof...but 9/10
>said 'name-caller' usually feels some type of way. (ie. Mad)
>

I've explained this to Block before. This is a hip-hop board. This is like being at the park playing ball or in the barber shop. People fuck around and use certain language. That does not mean they're mad though. It just means they're telling it like it is. Like I said, I can tell you to shut the fuck up very calmly if the conversation calls for it and still be your boy because the conversation is not that serious. It's just a way of expressing oneself with passion. I could say "nah bro, I don't agree with that and I think you're wrong" or I could say "nah bro that's some fucking bullshit and you know it". The latter just more passionate and stresses the point. Not mad by any means.

>This whole post is a shot at Kanye (and collateral to his
>fanbase). Oddisee is an underground rapper and they are
>generally of limits around these parts. Meanwhile, mainstream
>artists and fans of mainstream artists get shitted on all the
>time. A harmless return jab is not worth getting so
>defensive.
>

If you felt this was a shot at Kanye, then by your own definition, you would be the one who got defensive by taking a shot at the original poster. That's why I respond to posts like your because I feel people are oblivious to their hypocrisy.

>I didn't know it was out on DVD already. respect. Enjoy your
>newborn...they are a handful arent they?
>

It's been on out DVD a d sitting on my iPad since it came out but I just never watched it. It was on VH1 so I decided I'd finally check it out. And yes the newborn (5 months) is a handful but I'd be lying if I didn't say my wife did the majority of the work. I just help out where I can.

i didnt know u had a kid now, that's wassup

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He's 5 months.

once they can walk it's a wrap!

lol

nah, kids are the best

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....lol...never understood how a cat could be all up on numbers sold, especially if said person ain't getting no bread from those sales....reeks of fanboy syndrome to me...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

cos those said millions haven't heard oddisees music, if they had i think many would agree with philpot.

Oddisee is a way better rapper than Kanye too, but at times they've done similar things i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2uvpgsBhgv

I like what I hear from Oddisee but none of his song has that big impact. Ye has that.

I just don't understand how people base their opinion on everything but the actual quality of the music.

I've said that a million times, all you gotta do is go into any album post and see for yourself

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