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"What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?"


  

          

Just saw someone mentioning how Jay tried to push the envelope on BP3 and failed...and even though it doesn't count, we all heard "Ghetto techno" and how it sucked. Jay and Dre "Under pressure" was trying in the same way.

It seems like there was a WHOLE lot of this going on around 99-2000 since it was the new Millennium, and people always pictured the year 2000 is being extremely spacey and robotic, probably because of the movies and books we read in the 70's and 80's. The biggest fail from this era has to be Goodie Mob, with tracks like "What it ain't" with TLC.

I'd say that Outkast succeeded on Stankonia, but some folks would still call it hit and miss. I actually thought "Call before I come" was great, but some folks here seemed to hate it.

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Sun Rai, Herbie Hancock, art of noise, Kraftwork
Jun 17th 2013
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I actually haven't heard anything from Art of noise but Moments
Jun 17th 2013
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Kat You're Missing Out On Art O Noise's Catalog
Jun 18th 2013
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Good call on Kraftwerk.
Jun 18th 2013
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recently
Jun 18th 2013
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En A Free Ka was and still is aural bliss.
Jun 18th 2013
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ohh yeah Black Milk's Tronic
Jun 18th 2013
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Not a big fan of the term but...
Jun 18th 2013
5
Me being born in 1984 sucks sometimes. But, because I listen to so
Jun 18th 2013
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Word?
Jun 20th 2013
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RE: Not a big fan of the term but...
Jun 21st 2013
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      Yes, Hey baby is dope with that vibe...
Jun 22nd 2013
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RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?
Jun 18th 2013
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Timbaland in the 90's, Portishead, Neptunes in the early 2000's
Jun 18th 2013
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Commercially ?
Jun 18th 2013
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Return To Forever and PFunk
Jun 18th 2013
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Kanye's 808's.
Jun 18th 2013
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Not trying to be funny...
Jun 18th 2013
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Most people feel Drake's whole sound is the main descendant
Jun 18th 2013
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Love Deluxe by Sade......wait.....
Jun 21st 2013
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Yep.
Jun 18th 2013
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yes
Jun 18th 2013
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i hate it. but yes
Jun 18th 2013
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RE: Kanye's 808's.
Jun 21st 2013
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Gary Numan, Cannibal Ox/El-P, Edan, Giorgio Moroder, Public Enemy
Jun 18th 2013
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Flying Lotus first 2 albums? n/m
Jun 18th 2013
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Agreed
Jun 20th 2013
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el-p's last two albums
Jun 18th 2013
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yes
Jun 18th 2013
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yep
Jun 18th 2013
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RE: Jon Hassell.
Jun 18th 2013
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Diddy's last two albums
Jun 20th 2013
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The Bomb Squad
Jun 20th 2013
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ill never understand why Black ppl abandoned techno
Jun 20th 2013
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Both Hip-Hop and R&B has embraced techno in the past decade...
Jun 20th 2013
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I kind of agree kind of dont
Jun 20th 2013
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      OK
Jun 20th 2013
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Because it wasn't as visible as the rest.
Jun 21st 2013
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      damn...thanks
Jun 24th 2013
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           I'm trying to find an interview with one of the Belleville Three about i...
Jun 24th 2013
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Hmmmm.....
Jun 20th 2013
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The Knife's new album sounds like post-apocalypse pop
Jun 20th 2013
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RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?
Jun 20th 2013
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miles davis, herbie hancock, tony williams, john mclaughlin
Jun 21st 2013
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Raymond Scott.
Jun 21st 2013
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Nicolette
Jun 21st 2013
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Marvin Gaye's 'Sexual Healing'.
Jun 21st 2013
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your sense of 'future' is remarkable.
Jun 21st 2013
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      i just meant music, but the lyrics too now that i think about it.
Jun 24th 2013
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           Yea I played both on Saturday and it's like wow, these songs will
Jun 24th 2013
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RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?
Jun 21st 2013
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Goldie
Jun 21st 2013
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George Clinton
Jun 21st 2013
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Zapp & Roger "Computer Love"
Jun 21st 2013
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RE: Zapp & Roger "Computer Love"
Jun 22nd 2013
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Premo has some pretty "futuristic" tracks.......
Jun 24th 2013
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1. "Sun Rai, Herbie Hancock, art of noise, Kraftwork"
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that's who comes to mind

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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2. "I actually haven't heard anything from Art of noise but Moments"
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3. "Kat You're Missing Out On Art O Noise's Catalog "
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"Moments In Love" was kind of the oddball track in their career when that song dropped, even though it was one of biggest hits and what a lot of people know them for other than "Beat Box" & "Close To Edit".

I would say check out a best of by them but I've seen two or three different "best of"s or "greatest hits" with different tracklistings and not having the key tracks that would make you like them if you didn't know they had better songs that wasn't on them.

Since you're a vinyl digger, I say find used copies of "Who's Afraid Of?" or "Into Battle" then try to cop "The Seduction Of Claude Debussy" on cd (it's like classical meets drum-n-bass).


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6. "Good call on Kraftwerk."
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4. "recently"
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Danny Brown's XXX
Araab's non-rap work
Most of Lotus' work, though I don't really dig where him and Thundercat are taking their sound in the past year or two
Both of James Blake's albums
Most of Sa-Ra's work sans Taz's solo shit and that turd that was City Pulse by Ommas, in partiular En A Free Ka
Shabazz Palaces - Black Up
Blu's No York
Elucids work
J*Davey pre 2008/9
Teebs
Atoms For Peace - Amok
Ras G's shit even tho I'm not a fan

  

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9. "En A Free Ka was and still is aural bliss."
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I still only play the first half before throwing on something else, but good lord that shit is heavy.

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22. "ohh yeah Black Milk's Tronic"
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and Common's Electric Circus

  

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5. "Not a big fan of the term but..."
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...I think Kraftwerk more than any other act practically defined futurism in music for all future acts with their music that conjured images of robots, machines, computers, programming and a stiff, mechanical vibe (note that I still think Kraftwerk sounded somewhat ''warm''; probably because of their analog syntheseizers)... At this stage, it's really more ''retro''-futuristic than anything but whatever

Some others that come to mind:

Sun Ra (duh!). The sheer strangeness and "otherworldly" vibe of the tonal language on records like "Cosmic tones for mental therapy", "Heliocentric worlds 1 and 2" and "Magic city" combined with how early he was with using the studio as an instrument (delay, reverb, echo etc.) and on some recordings even primitive keyboards make him sound very futuristic, not just in the context of the time but even by modern day standards to me.

Jimi Hendrix. Especially when he made songs like "voodoo chile" or freaked out with the guitar-effects. There's something very cool to me in the way he combined elements from ancient delta-blues (lyrical cliches, riffs etc.) with "space-elements" (lyrics that reference the sulfur mines of jupiter and (then) state-of-the-art guitar effects). Some would say that the blues-elements make him less futuristic but I'd argue it's the opposite because blues/blues-rock has not exactly been very open to "spacey" stuff historically but has instead thrived on "authenticity" so that he was working partially within the confines of those genres make him come across as extra futuristic.

P-funk (duh). I don't know how you can hear a song like "Flashlight" and NOT feel that these guys fit the (static) definition of futuristic. Just like with Hendrix, they were also not afraid to take off to space which of course is quite futuristic since spaceships and going to other planets and stuff was-and remains-something associated with the future.

Devo. Futuristic is often associated with something that sound "stiff" and mechanic, a bit robotic. While this band worked within a conventional rock-band form, their stiff, jerky and jagged rhythms to me just give off this vibe of rock/pop/new wave as played by robots. Obviously, Gary Numan and others had that too but Devo pioneered it. The funny thing is that Devo's approach was almost completely lifted from Captain Beefheart's late 60's-early 70's music but whereas Beefheart's music constantly changed the riffs and rhythms (not very futuristic since it gives off a non-programmed, organic vibe), Devo essentially took Beefhearts riff/rhythm-combos and "looped" them and bang!-they arrived at something fresh by stripping things down...

Chrome in 78-80 or so. Pretty much the same as Hendrix; Chrome worked with forms of music that aren't really associated with a futuristic vibe (in their case:garage-rock, proto-punk, retro-psychedelia etc.) but then applied tape-manipulations, vocoders, synths, ''industrial'' sound-effects and other studio-tricknology to the whole shit as well as having wonderfully (retro) futuristic cover-art and lyrics.

Judas Priest on "Stained Class" (1978). I just feel that the combination of the guitar-sound and the bands stiff, sharp and jagged way of playing (not to mention the cover-art and lyrics) essentially divorced their music from "classic rock" and the loose, jammy, blues-based, more rootsy styles of their heavy predecessors like Zeppelin, Sabbath or Deep Purple.

Africa Bambataa. Most early Hip-hop hits were disco-derived so obviously, dude and the Soulsonic force kind of helped introduce the more "futuristic" vibe to Hip-Hop when songs like "Planet Rock" hit...

Kool Keith. Another obvious Hip-Hop example even if it was more the lyrics than the music in his case. Still, I guess the Dr. Octagon album (not to mention Black Elvis) aimed for that "futuristic" vibe and succeded I guess even if I don't think the beats were too hot and only a few really felt futuristic.

voivod in their prime (=late 80's). My metal-pick from that era; everything from the music with lots of sharp and jagged flat-5th power-chords to the album-covers (GREAT!) to the lyrics give that vibe. Watchtower's "Energetic disassembly" is another, earlier example of a metal-album that I guess qualify for that vibe. Oh yeah, first Cynic as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_09IAg12q8
I always thought this record sounded like a joke with the synth-basses and vocoders and smooth jazz-influences but it's supposedly a classic.

STRONGLY agree with Art of Noise as well; that was the 80's overblown machine-park in full effect

  

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17. "Me being born in 1984 sucks sometimes. But, because I listen to so"
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much older music AND actually look to see when it was made...I can say that there are a lot of songs I hear and say "wait, this came out in 77???? This shit sounds more like 82!!!" so it makes more sense then.

I don't know much at all about Kraftwerk except for the name.

I've heard that Jimi was really ahead of his time and in a good way, but never knew how, exactly.

I can for sure see "Planet rock" being ahead of it's time back then. It can easily be modified into a modern hit today, from a BEP or somethin.

Good post, I gotta look up a lot of that there.

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30. "Word?"
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>I don't know much at all about Kraftwerk except for the name.

While they were white germans, theyv'e actually had quite a massive impact on Hip-Hop and 80's electro. I hope you know that "Planet rock" is based on Kraftwerk-stuff, primarily "Trans-europe express". And "the man machine" (1978, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgpgngJp7pE ) has been sampled quite often, including one of my least favorite Jay-Z hits, "Sunshine".

Otherwise, this classic from the same album sums up the "futuristic" vibe pretty well I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

Anyway, not sure they will be your thing but they are an important act and worth checking out; their earlier stuff was more avant-garde/kraut-rock but "Man-Machine" and especially "Computer world" (1981) both have a strong proto-electro vibe. I personally prefer the former by a wide margin but the latter seems to be most Hip-Hop and techno fans favorite; probably because it sounds a bit more "modern" and less 70's. Still, the former was clearly a more innovative/futurisitic album (better songs as well IMO)-everyone and their grandmother was doing synth and electronic stuff in '81 even if Kraftwerk were still a bit of a leader I guess...

  

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37. "RE: Not a big fan of the term but..."
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>Jimi Hendrix. Especially when he made songs like "voodoo
>chile" or freaked out with the guitar-effects. There's
>something very cool to me in the way he combined elements from
>ancient delta-blues (lyrical cliches, riffs etc.) with
>"space-elements" (lyrics that reference the sulfur mines of
>jupiter and (then) state-of-the-art guitar effects). Some
>would say that the blues-elements make him less futuristic but
>I'd argue it's the opposite because blues/blues-rock has not
>exactly been very open to "spacey" stuff historically but has
>instead thrived on "authenticity" so that he was working
>partially within the confines of those genres make him come
>across as extra futuristic.
>
well said here, it's kind of amazing how that music (made a decade before I was born) maintains that 'next frontier'/'futuristic' tone & I think it's for exactly the reasons you mention.

The delta-blues stuff is the myth-making blueprint for the interstellar journey he takes you on sonically & thematically.

'Hey Baby (New Rising Sun)', even though I don't think he ever really finished it, feels like it's out of that mold.

  

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50. "Yes, Hey baby is dope with that vibe..."
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The version of that song on "Rainbow bridge" and later "First Rays..." is a rough, live-in-the studio runthrough. It's great but Hendrix "live" and Hendrix on studio-albums with all the overdubs, more polished vocals and stuff were two different things; I think that if he had been able to finish it, it would have been an epic song with classic status.

BTW, there is a version of the song called "Gypsy boy" on the new "People, hells&angels" comp. but it's even more rough and demo sounding (BTW, Alan Douglas put out a hideous, slick and overdubbed version of that on the lame "Midnight Lightning record) so unfortunately, I don't think that song will ever be heard in the form he intended to put out...

  

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7. "RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?"
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Origin Unknown - Valley Of The Shadows
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Aphex Twin - Come To Daddy
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Hussein ibn Malik "if he escaped on a horse he might be realest nigga ever, EVER..2013 Nat Turner with the burner"

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PoppaGeorge "If you're a child of the 70's, Ye looks like

  

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8. "Timbaland in the 90's, Portishead, Neptunes in the early 2000's"
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I'd say Bjork sounded futuristic on her 3 album run (Debut, Post, Homogenic).

Me'shell Ndegeocello was on some other shit on Comfort Woman and The World Made Me The Man Of My Dreams. The outro to Love Song #2 and Elliptical come to mind.

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10. "Commercially ?"
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11. "Return To Forever and PFunk"
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RTF Pushed a lot of boundaries in production, instrumentation, and theory.. basically set the tone for the entire fusion genre.

George took the James' Mutiny and put them on acid.

Both will still take you to outer space, even on vinyl.

The spacey shit of today just sounds like MIDI and an MPC... not that much to the formula. DJs = same old shit. You gotta have people who can really, really play to take it somewhere.

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12. "Kanye's 808's."
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As much as some people hate that album, its sons are everywhere now.

  

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...but what albums are descendant of 808's in your opinion?

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18. "Most people feel Drake's whole sound is the main descendant"
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I can even say this...I never even listened to 808's in entirety until late....so when I heard "Say what's real" it sounded just like the rest of Drake's album, which sounded kinda fresh in early 09. Then, I realized it was on 808's and said "wait....did Ye father this whole sound???"

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38. "Love Deluxe by Sade......wait....."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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19. "Yep."
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20. "yes"
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46. "RE: Kanye's 808's."
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>As much as some people hate that album, its sons are
>everywhere now.

Drake's producer 40 has said it was the main influence for So Far Gone.

But 808's is essentially Kanye running with Cudi's style and his love letter to "The Love Below"

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13. "Gary Numan, Cannibal Ox/El-P, Edan, Giorgio Moroder, Public Enemy"
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I think a lot of Krautrock and prog rock bands fall into that too.

  

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14. "Flying Lotus first 2 albums? n/m"
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34. "Agreed"
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When I heard him, someone recommended that I get "1983", listened to some snippets and was shook since then, he took instrumental to the next level with that album.

I then downloaded his first two beat tapes and was amazed how those were more hip-hop beat-ish than futuristic instrumental but I can hear how he took elements of Madlib, J-Dilla, Matthew Herbert, etc. but still made his own style.


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16. "el-p's last two albums"
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21. "yes"
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23. "yep"
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25. "RE: Jon Hassell."
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'choons:
"jacques snicket." http://bit.ly/14iU9Xs
"pushed by wind." http://bit.ly/164IZGB
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26. "Diddy's last two albums"
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Press Play
Last Train To Paris

mind
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27. "The Bomb Squad"
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28. "ill never understand why Black ppl abandoned techno"
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Outside of detroit, chicago, and NY that is

  

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29. "Both Hip-Hop and R&B has embraced techno in the past decade..."
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Not necessarily the rhythmic approach but the sounds, the riffs etc.

Actually, that's my issue with a lot of Hip-Hop and R&B in the past 10-15 years; it sounds too much like electronic music which is kind of boring to me since there's an entire musical tradition in terms of instruments, sounds, rhythms etc. that has more-or-less been abandoned in favor of something I've heard on the radio my entire life (not in the same form mind you but still:synth-pop, italo disco,80's electro, euro-dance, Hi-NRG, house, techno etc.-it feels that a lot of black popular music nowadays fit more into that lineage than, say, the soul or funk or jazz lineages who has been left for dead more-or-less outside of british revivalists and some other exceptions)...

  

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32. "I kind of agree kind of dont"
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Outkast, The Weeknd, and Missy Elliot are really the only popular artists to embrace what I would consider soulful forward thinking electronic music

most others turn to popular radio electro-cheese

But my original thought was not techno 8nfluenced pop music. I meant actual Derrick May/Jeff Mills/Model 500 techno

  

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33. "OK"
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I like that type of techno myself. Not an expert or anything but I liked pretty much everything I've heard from Model 500 back in the day. And I bought Inner City's "Big Fun" album when it came out in spite of primarly being into metal then. To me, they sounded more soul/disco inspired than most other techno whereas a lot of House (=Acid) from that era or earlier sounded more like my idea of techno so I don't think I fully got it since Inner City are considered Techno and not House whereas a lot of really harsh stuff was acid house. Whatever, I dig a lot of that stuff. I never felt it was "futuristic" though, mainly because in the context of the music they worked in (or rather, how *I* heard that music:electronic disco), there were so many predecessors (Kraftwerk of course but also Moroder, a lot of italo-stuff and also EBM and synth pop)...

  

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44. "Because it wasn't as visible as the rest."
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Meaning that during the heyday of MTV, Techno had a very limited presence on the screen. Inner City had "Big Fun" and "Good Life", but there wasn't much else. Carl Craig did a couple of videos (Chicken Noodle Soup and Televised Green Smoke), but there wasn't much else to look at.

Besides, Techno's popularity overlapped with the rise of Miami Bass in the late 80's and early 90's. Folks kinda shifted over in that direction to get their booty shakin' on.

Coinciding with all of this, "gangsta rap" made it a tad uncool to be less than "hard", so Techno was starting to be seen as something preppy guys listened to, and when it spilled over into the homosexual community (along with House), it was a wrap.

Like it or not, it was bad enough that it was starting to be seen as "soft", but now you got the gay attached to it; many folks left it alone after that.


It's for that reason that, during the early 90's, most of the time I played out there was a heavy gay presence in the venue (shit, I still have a Club OneX sticker on my flight case from the few times I played out there in the early 2000's).

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52. "damn...thanks"
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54. "I'm trying to find an interview with one of the Belleville Three about i..."
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... Where one of them said that a lot of the labels at the time didn't like the image that the original Detroit Techno creators projected: That of an intelligent, middle to upper middle class Black man from Detroit. They wanted them to "thug it up" a bit, but none of them wanted no part of it and the major labels started to lose interest.

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31. "Hmmmm....."
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P-Funk
Gary Numan
Kraftwerk
Sun-Ra
Prince
Devo
Outkast
georgio moroder
Afrika Bambaataa
Radiohead


Just to name a few...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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35. "The Knife's new album sounds like post-apocalypse pop"
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36. "RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?"
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I was on a kick yesterday of several Steve Reich pieces, so since it's on my mind I'd be inclined to say some of those early Minimalists (capital 'm').

With Reich, it's interesting to listen to some of his "early works" (also the name of a cd that includes them) - they include tape loops of voices that are being played simultaneously and then gradually 'phased' in and out of each other. It's clearly interesting to him the way that rhythmic patterns develop and fade of their own accord. He starts to transfer this idea into performance, for instance with the composition "Drumming," where various percussionists overlap simple patterns in order to create similar phasing effects, development happens gradually and as a result of these simple effects. Reich moves away from phasing, but it's a well-known example and I think is illustrative of how he used concepts that are anticipatory of what would eventually become common techniques and structures among electronic musicians/artists, even in the popular realm. Minimalists have this interest in cycles and patterns, adding and removing layers, or 'pulsating' sounds.

In those earlier days, I have to imagine that technology influenced what was composed rather than determined it - the tape loops influence what Reich eventually wrote for instrumentalists, as opposed to electronic musicians who make use of loops because that is the design of the instrument, to sequence patterns. Still, to have the insight to transfer these ideas into composition strikes me as especially forward-thinking, to develop new structural ideas on that basis - as opposed to earlier Varese or Cage experiments that seem just to be fascinated with the weird sounds in a meandering kind of way. In the context of the times, I think it really is 'futuristic', and in a way that is divorced from the usual extra-musical cultural artifice of Jetsons bubble-dresses, conveyer belts, and robot dancing.

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39. "miles davis, herbie hancock, tony williams, john mclaughlin"
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the cellar door sessions, sextant, emergency!, etc.
some of the most futuristic sounding music that i've ever heard
and that shit was made back in the late 60s/early 70s.

as far as new age alternative, my vote goes to wixiw.


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40. "Raymond Scott."
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it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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41. "Nicolette"
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When discourse of Blackness is not connected to efforts to promote collective black self determinism
it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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42. "Marvin Gaye's 'Sexual Healing'."
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Isley Brother's 'Between the Sheets'.

^ they still sound like 'the future' somehow. and they definitely did back in the 80s.

fuck you.

  

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47. "your sense of 'future' is remarkable."
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are you referring to the lyrics or subject matter of those songs moreso than the actual musical sounds?

i always equated futurism with music but not with lyrical content, but the unbridled sexuality of both songs definitely was new ground in music, i would think.

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53. "i just meant music, but the lyrics too now that i think about it."
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fuck you.

  

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56. "Yea I played both on Saturday and it's like wow, these songs will"
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NEVER sound old to me. Even when I put new acapellas on "Between the sheets" or a new beat under "Sexual healing" it sounds perfect.

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43. "RE: What artists have succeeded at making futuristic (sounding) music?"
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Autechre

  

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45. "Goldie"
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"Inner City Life" still sounds like the future to me.

  

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48. "George Clinton"
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http://troyismajor.com/

  

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49. "Zapp & Roger "Computer Love""
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You must've forgotten..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41P4jHWRYYQ

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51. "RE: Zapp & Roger "Computer Love""
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>You must've forgotten..


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55. "Premo has some pretty "futuristic" tracks......."
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AZ-The Format

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YZuCdS5_t0

Jeru the Damaja- Physical Stamina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLCJHDiQsTA


Torae "Get It Done" Featuring Skyzoo & DJ Premier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1rsUgt3g_U


Xzibit - What a Mess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcdz8iOb-vA

  

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